[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the Standard Cosmological Model

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Carde,
 

 We must remember that the Bible story of Genesis is not a scientific document 
it is a story of creation and of their faith as the Hebrews understood the 
world at that time.  Similarly, the stories in Srimad Bhagavatam and the B. 
Gita were stories of creation as the Hindus understood the world in terms of 
the major Gods of their faith, such as Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
 

 But Susskind's presentation is based on sophisticated mathematics,  current 
scientific researches and astronomical observations--although the presentation 
appears simple and "easy" to grasp.  I'm particularly impressed at the concepts 
he's presenting, such as (1) De Sitter space to show the number of universes or 
multiverses in a simple "cauldron" to describe all of the worlds and universes 
that are within and beyond our observable horizon;  the (2)"light cones" to 
show the various existence  of the universes that "nucleate" or bubble up 
within De Sitter space..  These light cones represent the archivests or 
witnesses within each universes; (3) the assumption of a "slow roll" 
cosmological constant to show that these universes will ultimately generate 
universes that are conducive to human life as we know it..
 

 In the end, these ideas may be anthropomorphic in principle, which may and may 
not revolve us back to the stories in the Bible and the Vedic texts.
 

 Overall, I think the concepts presented were thought-provoking and show a 
paradigm shift in cosmology research.  But the scientific community will 
certainly have a few ideas to ponder in the next few years.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 IMHO, even the first expression of the bible seems refer to the fact(?), that 
universes are created again and again:
 

 b'reshit , AFAIK, actually means in a beginning, NOT in the beginning,
 which would perhaps be bareshit (b + ha [the] + reshit)?
 

 But, I believe (not sure, though) in the original Hebrew text, without niqquds 
or vowel diacritics, 
 that distinction doesn't show!
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the Standard Cosmological Model

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

IMHO, even the first expression of the bible seems refer to the fact(?), that 
universes are created again and again:
 

 b'reshit , AFAIK, actually means in a beginning, NOT in the beginning,
 which would perhaps be bareshit (b + ha [the] + reshit)?
 

 But, I believe (not sure, though) in the original Hebrew text, without niqquds 
or vowel diacritics, 
 that distinction doesn't show!
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the Standard Cosmological Model

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Doug,
 

 Susskind seems to be saying that universes are created again and again, as 
stated in the B. Gita.  But some universes are sterile and are not conducive to 
human life.  So, in the end, he's using the anthropomorphic principle which 
states that those universes that are similar to ours will harbor life as we 
know it.  Why? because we live in such a universe.
 

 But some of Hawking's ideas are also present in the universes shown in De 
Sitter space.  That these universes nucleate or percolate automatically in this 
space without any intervention from a Deity.or deities. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 You may like the spiritual readings that Janet Sussman gives in her books with 
her perceptions of time. Book title: Timeshift, The Experience of Dimensional 
Change.
 http://timeportalpubs.com/ http://timeportalpubs.com/
 

 She will be giving a workshop in Fairfield, Ia. the weekend of June 2-3.  
 Batgap interview:
 https://batgap.com/janet-sussman/ https://batgap.com/janet-sussman/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the Standard Cosmological Model

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You may like the spiritual readings that Janet Sussman gives in her books with 
her perceptions of time. Book title: Timeshift, The Experience of Dimensional 
Change.
 http://timeportalpubs.com/ http://timeportalpubs.com/
 

 She will be giving a workshop in Fairfield, Ia. the weekend of June 2-3.  
 Batgap interview:
 https://batgap.com/janet-sussman/ https://batgap.com/janet-sussman/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the Standard Cosmological Model

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here's the video clip:
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvPojnWskPA&t=3355s 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvPojnWskPA&t=3355s
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Although this video was published in 2015, this is the first time that I've 
seen this.  Dr. Leonard Susskind was apparently trying out his new ideas about 
cosmology.  It may take a few more years to find out how his ideas will be 
accepted by the scientific community.  Does anyone have any feedback about 
Susskind's proposal?
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Planck, John Hagelin on Entanglements, Worm Holes and the Brain

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Studying natural phenomena, also here on earth that shaktis of that we know as 
experience and call as divine virtue evidently are vibrational with physical 
vector on a scale. Love for instance. Physicists and their physics will evolve 
to find this for themselves in time. 
 

 Though everyone at the least gets to transcend once in their life, when they 
die while others can become more studied at this in time and experience and 
know a little more about It all as they would live. 
 

 It would seem that even scientists should worry about their souls more as an 
implication of a physical construct of light bodies or subtle energetics of the 
physical body is that the souls of people die and go on, simultaneously as 
light-bodies of form. Merging as we see in the entanglement slides of the 
lecture. Hence, make use of your time on earth whilst you got it. Though in the 
reality of a soul embodied this is way more than just 'transcending', it is 
also about living life whist you have it. -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The all-pervading Soul
 

 15. As oil in sesame seeds, as butter in cream,
 As water in River-beds, and as fire in the friction-sticks
 So is the Soul (Atman) apprehended in one's own soul,
 If one looks for Him with true austerity (tapas).
 

 16. The Soul (Atman) which pervades all things
 As butter is contained in cream,
 Which is rooted in self-knowledge and austerity-
 This is Brahma, the highest mystic teaching (upanishad)
 This is Brahma, the highest mystic teaching.
 

 -Svetasvatarea Upanishad
 First Adhyaya
 

 #
 The Thirteen Principal Upanishads 
https://archive.org/stream/thirteenprincipa028442mbp#page/n411/mode/2up
 
 
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https://archive.org/stream/thirteenprincipa028442mbp#page/n411/mode/2up 
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requires JavaScript to be enabled.


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not physical, as if birth and death are not physical? Souls are proly just 
measurable in experience by tools at this point such as nervous systems at less 
than the planck but I feel based on my own research and data that even the 
physical scientific community will evolve and find that their souls are 
entangled existing in or as a simultaneity both here embodied in a portion 
experiencing life in this realm as mortal dimension while also (simultaneously) 
existing in some larger portion at the same moment elsewhere. 
 Like an over-soul dipping its toe in to life using the life of a human nervous 
system. Is marvelous really.  Physical scientists will like it when they find 
it.  Even Hagelin in his mortal coil as he sits with it more.  -JaiGuruYou
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug,
 

 Physicists are in the business of studying natural phenomena and typically 
stay away from philosophical and spiritual arguments.  But as they delve deeper 
into the subatomic particles, they are realizing that they may not have the 
technology to measure particles near or below the Planck length.  The best 
thing that they have now is to have the String Theory or variation thereof to 
explain the theoretical dynamics of the immeasurable realm.
 

 But Hagelin  is now carrying the torch that MMY was trying to prove to the 
world-- that the world is based on consciousness.  He may or may not succeed in 
this endeavor.  IMO, conservative physicists will most likely make a statement 
saying that particles below a certain length cannot be measured and thus are 
out of bounds for further study to uphold the scientific method.
 

 As discussed in the video, scientists have made similar statements in the 
study of quantum entanglements.  Specifically,they are trying to uphold 
Einstein's theory that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.  As 
such, they are saying that entangled particles cannot be used to send messages 
across vast distances in the universe.  But, at the same time, they are saying 
that entangled particles simultaneously affect each other over vast distances 
in the universe.


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good video, jr. Thanks. 

 But, how does physics explain what evidently is of a divine construct as 
soul(s) in the life of human beings? Does physics have much to say about the 
incarnational implications of such energetic light-body structure within the 
human form as souls? What does physics say of Divine virtues in energetic 
vector, such as love exhibited as given and experienced?
 

 Souls, jivans, or virtues as vibrational form.. these kind of larger 
spirituality seems a little different than just calculating saying a Pure 
Consciousness as Transcendental Consciousness is the Unified Field.
 

 The Upanishads say quite a lot about Souls in life. TM and Maharishi had not 
much 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Planck, John Hagelin on Entanglements, Worm Holes and the Brain

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The all-pervading Soul
 
 
 15. As oil in sesame seeds, as butter in cream,
 As water in River-beds, and as fire in the friction-sticks
 So is the Soul (Atman) apprehended in one's own soul,
 If one looks for Him with true austerity (tapas).
 
 
 16. The Soul (Atman) which pervades all things
 As butter is contained in cream,
 Which is rooted in self-knowledge and austerity-
 This is Brahma, the highest mystic teaching (upanishad)
 This is Brahma, the highest mystic teaching.
 
 
 -Svetasvatarea Upanishad
 First Adhyaya
 
 
 #
 The Thirteen Principal Upanishads 
https://archive.org/stream/thirteenprincipa028442mbp#page/n411/mode/2up
 
 
 The Thirteen Principal Upanishads 
https://archive.org/stream/thirteenprincipa028442mbp#page/n411/mode/2up 
Internet Archive BookReader - The Thirteen Principal Upanishads The BookReader 
requires JavaScript to be enabled. 
 
 
 
 View on archive.org 
https://archive.org/stream/thirteenprincipa028442mbp#page/n411/mode/2up 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not physical, as if birth and death are not physical? Souls are proly just 
measurable in experience by tools at this point such as nervous systems at less 
than the planck but I feel based on my own research and data that even the 
physical scientific community will evolve and find that their souls are 
entangled existing in or as a simultaneity both here embodied in a portion 
experiencing life in this realm as mortal dimension while also (simultaneously) 
existing in some larger portion at the same moment elsewhere. 
 Like an over-soul dipping its toe in to life using the life of a human nervous 
system. Is marvelous really.  Physical scientists will like it when they find 
it.  Even Hagelin in his mortal coil as he sits with it more.  -JaiGuruYou
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug,
 

 Physicists are in the business of studying natural phenomena and typically 
stay away from philosophical and spiritual arguments.  But as they delve deeper 
into the subatomic particles, they are realizing that they may not have the 
technology to measure particles near or below the Planck length.  The best 
thing that they have now is to have the String Theory or variation thereof to 
explain the theoretical dynamics of the immeasurable realm.
 

 But Hagelin  is now carrying the torch that MMY was trying to prove to the 
world-- that the world is based on consciousness.  He may or may not succeed in 
this endeavor.  IMO, conservative physicists will most likely make a statement 
saying that particles below a certain length cannot be measured and thus are 
out of bounds for further study to uphold the scientific method.
 

 As discussed in the video, scientists have made similar statements in the 
study of quantum entanglements.  Specifically,they are trying to uphold 
Einstein's theory that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.  As 
such, they are saying that entangled particles cannot be used to send messages 
across vast distances in the universe.  But, at the same time, they are saying 
that entangled particles simultaneously affect each other over vast distances 
in the universe.


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Good video, jr. Thanks. 

 But, how does physics explain what evidently is of a divine construct as 
soul(s) in the life of human beings? Does physics have much to say about the 
incarnational implications of such energetic light-body structure within the 
human form as souls? What does physics say of Divine virtues in energetic 
vector, such as love exhibited as given and experienced?
 

 Souls, jivans, or virtues as vibrational form.. these kind of larger 
spirituality seems a little different than just calculating saying a Pure 
Consciousness as Transcendental Consciousness is the Unified Field.
 

 The Upanishads say quite a lot about Souls in life. TM and Maharishi had not 
much to say about souls. What does physics navigate about this practical aspect 
of imperishable souls in life, while we have life to live? Do physicists talk 
more particularly about this, or do they not have much experience with it? Just 
wondering, -JaiGuruYou

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is a fairly new presentation with updates on the current developments in 
physics.  I'm not sure if the audience actually understood what he was 
saying--or even the watchers of this video.
 

 Entanglement, Space-Time Wormholes, and the Brain - John Hagelin 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVDYQoGWyk 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVDYQoGWyk
 
 Entanglement, Space-Time Wormholes, and the Brain -... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVDYQoGWyk We present an extraordinary 
breakthrough from String theory that explains the “spooky action-at-a-distance” 
nature of quantum entanglement, and ties this lon...


 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 


 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond

[nablusoss1008]

"But they drink hard liquor and smoke bhong since these were supposedly used by 
Shiva, their patron god."
 Many do but that's mostly the drop outs, dressing the part but not taking the 
sadhana seriously. 
 Does that remind you of anyone on this board ? :-)

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nabs, 

 I saw a similar documentary about sadhus in India.  It's actually a very 
difficult life.  They perform austerities and long fasts in order to be taken 
by their gurus as disciples.  These austerities include living naked, smearing 
ash on their bodies and sleeping near cremation grounds.  But they drink hard 
liquor and smoke bhong since these were supposedly used by Shiva, their patron 
god.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Essence of LIFE in 2 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72NvkxlRGk
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72NvkxlRGk
 
 The Essence of LIFE in 2 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72NvkxlRGk 
The ending part from the movie - Varanasi, India: "Beyond" that inspired me. I 
DO NOT OWN ANY COPYRIGHTS FOR THIS MOVIE This movie belongs ...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72NvkxlRGk 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nabs, 

 I saw a similar documentary about sadhus in India.  It's actually a very 
difficult life.  They perform austerities and long fasts in order to be taken 
by their gurus as disciples.  These austerities include living naked, smearing 
ash on their bodies and sleeping near cremation grounds.  But they drink hard 
liquor and smoke bhong since these were supposedly used by Shiva, their patron 
god.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Essence of LIFE in 2 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72NvkxlRGk
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72NvkxlRGk
 
 The Essence of LIFE in 2 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72NvkxlRGk 
The ending part from the movie - Varanasi, India: "Beyond" that inspired me. I 
DO NOT OWN ANY COPYRIGHTS FOR THIS MOVIE This movie belongs ...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72NvkxlRGk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond True and False

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sam Harris insists that free will is just an illusion, so this would be an 
excellent topic for Rick to ask about when he interviews Harris, no?
 

 

 

 http://www.samharris.org/free-will http://www.samharris.org/free-will

 

 I even suspect that this irrelevance of true/false might be at play when 
discussing the free will issue, and have something to do with belief, and the 
conditioning that belief imposes on our perceptions. To someone who believes in 
predestination or even in determinism, their belief may impose upon them a 
subconscious inability to perceive the world any other way, and thus their 
actions *are* out of their control, if for no other reason than it never occurs 
to them to exert control. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond True and False

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks for following up, Anartaxius. I am time-limited myself, and won't be 
able to comment much on your musings, but I appreciated them. I agree that T/F 
is a simplistic approach to reality and experience that does not seem to be 
accurate, or even useful. If my experience with Rama and with other 
teachers/shamans who allowed me to access radically alternate realities -- and 
sometimes several at once -- had any value, it was to teach me that things can 
be true and false at the same time, and that neither in any way defines 
"reality." 


I even suspect that this irrelevance of true/false might be at play when 
discussing the free will issue, and have something to do with belief, and the 
conditioning that belief imposes on our perceptions. To someone who believes in 
predestination or even in determinism, their belief may impose upon them a 
subconscious inability to perceive the world any other way, and thus their 
actions *are* out of their control, if for no other reason than it never occurs 
to them to exert control. For someone who believes in free will, *they* may 
have the ability to act freely in exactly the same situation, because they are 
not preconditioned to think that they can't. So the same situation can appear 
to be "true" from one point of view (conditioned by one belief system) and 
"false" from another point of view (unconditioned, or holding a different 
belief system). 


The bottom line, however, is that it still strikes me as a classic waste of 
time to ponder such things overmuch, because *everyone* juggles their notions 
of true and false every day. We may "know" intellectually that the balls in the 
air are really not matter, merely wave particles giving the illusion of matter, 
but we catch and throw the balls anyway, as if they were matter. Two completely 
different views of the same reality, both valid, and *neither* "true" nor 
"false." 


I am very comfortable with contradictions, and feel for those who are not. By 
trying to fit everything into little pigeonholes labeled "true" and "false," it 
seems to me that they're missing at least half of life.




 From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond True and False
 


  
Barry, some days ago you posted a link to a page that discussed relevant logics 
(non-classical logics). This post was largely ignored (I think there was one 
reply). Perhaps because the author tied his discussion to Asian and in 
particular Buddhist systems of thought, it was ignored. I read the article 
several times and looked up more information on its author. That page you 
posted I found really interesting but did not have time to write a response, 
and still am short of time. I have been in and out of hospitals and emergency 
rooms several times in the last month for various reasons, though at the moment 
I am quite well. The web page you posted in question is linked with a shortened 
URL service below:

http://bit.ly/1mUUyg7

I think that page is really worth reading as it proposes an alternative world 
view to that conventionally espoused. In other fields, non conventional takes 
on have led to great advances in mathematics and science, and as Bertrand 
Russell and Alfred North Whitehead showed in the early 20th century, logic and 
mathematics would seem to be equivalent ways of expressing the same thing.

For about 2500 years, Euclid's geometry held sway, but in the 19th century a 
couple of mathematicians Riemann and Lobachevsky, among others, questioned one 
of Euclid's basic axioms. They turned some basic assumptions on their head and 
created alternative geometries that were as self consistent as Euclid's. They 
pondered what would happen if parallel lines did not stay equidistant but 
either always met, or asymptotically approached each other but never met, what 
would happen if the the angles of a triangle did not add up to 180 degrees. 
These discoveries led to Einstein's general theory of relativity. Einstein also 
did a similar thing. He pondered what the world would be like if time was not 
constant, as everyone assumed.

So assuming classical logic is the only reality of reasoning, might be a 
serious mistake.

Anyone who has had some sort of spiritual experiences (rather than mystical 
experiences which tend to reinforce particular beliefs, that is they are more 
like dreams) probably will come across experiences that do not fit into the 
conventional classifications of true and false. My experience about free will 
many years ago was an example of this, an experience that merged two opposing 
ideas into a single fusion, neither true nor false, or perhaps both true and 
false at the same time. 

Further there are paradoxes that Graham Priest mentioned on this web pa

[FairfieldLife] RE: Beyond gurus, beyond TM, beyond beyond

[s3raphita]

Re "Seems a book just full of gossip. So what. I haven't read it. It is on my 
book shelf.":

 

 How can you be a keen TMer and not have read Nancy's book? It's not gossip. 
She was actually there when the events she recounts took place. She belonged to 
the first wave of Americans who were attracted to MMY's message but she had 
already carved out a successful career for herself before he showed up. Those 
people always had the sense to stand up for themselves. It's the later arrivals 
who became "yes-men" to Maharishi who he then groomed to be his courtiers. He 
then had no time for independent thinkers like Nancy who were prepared to 
challenge him.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Beyond gurus, beyond TM, beyond beyond

[dhamiltony2k5]

According to the fly-leaf book cover “Nancy also tells the true story of why 
the Beatles left the ashram,” Seems is a book just full of gossip. So what. I 
haven't read it. It is on my book shelf and has a nice personal inscription to 
LB. I am not going to get to reading it. I got several of Maharishi's books I 
am reading now. They are interesting to chronicle and see again the arc of the 
years. The guy was quite a clear revolutionary. In looking again I admire 
Maharishi though for all his pluck in expecting to not only motivate but create 
a change leading to a more spiritual world using science as a Trojan horse to 
advance a cause.  I see Maharishi as a heroic figure in history now, starting 
out in mid-20th Century India and leading a spiritual regeneration movement 
that touched the world. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Opinion (& Monkees Fan Clubs)

[emptybill]

Oh so sorry but there can be no such thing as "Unity
Consciousness"/Brahma Chaitantya in Christianity. You are simply
ill-informed about the theological issues.

Therefore how can John of the Cross, Thomas Aquinas or Theresa of Avila
be in "Unity Consciousness"? They can only be in Union with the grace,
energies and effulenges of God, not His essence which is beyond Being,
beyond Knowing but not beyond Loving (i.e. through grace). No wonder
MZ/RWC can proffer half-baked Catholic theology as truth ... people here
are so uninformed it is baffling.

Likewise, Spong is no longer an orthodox anglican/catholic so he doesn't
count for anything because his theology is strictly a personal creation.

Are we to visualize the Theotokos as the head loping Kali?
Mere syncretism!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> I don't see any impediment between devotion to Jesus and MMY's SOC's
since in the latter, there are no expressed Vedic attachments as to whom
one should "believe" in. Just do TM and be devoted to Jesus, ignoring
the possible religious connotations in the puja.
> ...
> This is speculative but from reading St. John and the Cross and
Aquinas, both may have been in Unity.  St. Teresa of Avila's writings
are more dualist, but may match MMY's GC. I saw her shriveled finger
under glass in Avila.
> ...
> So where's the contradiction or conflict?. Bishop Spong is a modern
Gnostic devotee of Jesus. Gnosis and devotion to Jesus are perfectly
compatible, imo.
> ...
> The fact that certain Gurus on an outer level differ greatly from the
Catholic Saints only attests to relative differences, analogous to the
various projections on a white movie screen. Miracles displayed by the
Saints (real or imagined), are  projections. Their Self, the Self, is
the same Self for everybody.
> ...
> Self-knowledge should not be conflated with the various Dieties
associated with the Vedic Tradition. Obviously, if one is devoted to
Jesus, there's less likelihood that one is devoted to a Vedic or
post-Vedic Deity. Kali worship appears to be completely compatible with
devition to Jesus, in my experience; although for most people, it would
be one or the other, and not multiple focal points for one's attention.
> ...
> St. Xavier made a BIG MISTAKE trashing the "idols" of Goa; and the
Catholic Church will pay for this bad karma.
> ...
> http://drawn.ca/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/isabelsamaras.jpg
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Opinion (& Monkees Fan Clubs)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> I don't see any impediment between devotion to Jesus and MMY's 
> SOC's since in the latter, there are no expressed Vedic
> attachments as to whom one should "believe" in. Just do TM and
> be devoted to Jesus, ignoring the possible religious
> connotations in the puja.
> ...
> This is speculative but from reading St. John and the Cross
> and Aquinas, both may have been in Unity.  St. Teresa of
> Avila's writings are more dualist, but may match MMY's GC.

And how about Meister Eckhart? The similarities are startling.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Opinion (& Monkees Fan Clubs)

[jpgillam]

A meditating roommate had this album, Keith 
Jarrett's "Koln Concert." We listened to it quite 
a bit. This and the music of Return to Forever 
are two soundtracks I associate with my TM 
days in Iowa City the '70s.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivo94ylmhE
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Opinion (& Monkees Fan Clubs)

[Denise Evans]

Hi Robin:

In my week off last week, I decided finally to do some archival searching and 
internet searching on TM, TMO, MIU and a few people who post here that I know 
the real names of.  I did this simply because I have never done it and have 
stayed almost completely ignorant by design.  My brain, body, and being were 
enveloped in a complete fog when I arrived, circuitously, and I was on complete 
overload.  This is beginning to shift which is good. 

I understood almost nothing of what I was reading when I arrived, but realized 
fairly early on that the breadth and depth of knowledge and life experience on 
this forum exceeded greatly that of a bunch of 20 year olds, which was an 
initial incorrect assumption on my part.  The term "Fairfield Life" meant 
nothing to me, at the time. I got a subscription to the paper as an incentive 
to get out of bed and put myself through the paces of trying to follow these 
posts. Most days I was confused - the world has been looking very different and 
continues to shift.  I have now decided this is a mixture of adrenal collapse, 
nervous breakdown symptoms, and existential crisis. 

I didn't bother to associate names or look at who was posting what for a couple 
of months.  I made some incorrect assumptions.  For example, there was a 
conversation about Judy Bourke's book that I tried to follow.  In my confusion, 
I attributed it to the Judy that posts here (apologies to you Judy).  Judy also 
noted several times that I was confusing her with Barry, when I would try and 
post something. I realized I should start paying more attention, as I didn't 
want to disrespect anyone, particularly Judy, as she could call me out and 
out-logic me any day of the week all year long :)  

This site has done nothing but help me and I have been self- centered in using 
it to help me, but I was desperate and no amount of talk therapy was going to 
work.  I have been resisting going to see doctors that will put me on 
anti-depressants (been there done that).  It's authentic to me, even the posts 
purported as inauthentic are authentically inauthentic to me.  I had never 
posted a youtube anything, or even watched any youtube things.  Simple stuff 
like that helped me.  I had to go searching for a better dictionary (so old 
school).  I began to realize that there are a lot of funny things on this 
forum.  I began to laugh, which was very healing. Bob's stories were hilarious. 
 Rory did a series on the Church of the Giant Radiantly Luminous Jellyfish 
(GrlJ) that had me laughing for days.  I don't really belong here, but I feel 
like it's God's grace that showed up in my life at the right time. 

So, this week finally, I did the following - still staying fairly general:

I read a few posts from the inception of FFL.
I reviewed the Wikipedia and some other other easily searchable/public info on 
the TM Movement, MIU/MUM, Hagelin, Bevan, etc.
I searched your name and Mark Landau's name and Judy's name and my own name out 
of curiosity because I knew they were real names.

You have a very fascinating internet CV.  I had no idea you were such a 
prolific writer - although I should have guessed.  I read your excerpted story 
of your trek up the mountain and experience of enlightenment.  And some of the 
Imam stuff and posts on your dealings with MIU.  I have a question, but I don't 
want to invade your space in any way, so feel free not to respond.

I did have two questions:  First, I didn't understand why you might reject your 
UC experience as to me, it read like a real spiritual experience that was valid 
despite the context/guru and more of a "God" thing.  But, in reading that you 
fully experience TM and Maharishi as one, it makes more sense in that 
rejecting/extracting your experience from your psyche was required completely, 
if that is true.

Your posts re: Barry and Nablusoss are full of "personality analysis."  In the 
info I read about you and MIU, you reportedly started your own gig and used a 
"personality transformation technique" to challenge people's realities, belief 
systems, etc.  It was rough on some of the recipients.  I got this feeling that 
your posts, in particular to Barry, might be reminiscent of this technique?  Is 
this an accurate statement?  

I usually get it wrong on this forum - I don't have any direct experience to 
relate to most of it.  I don't read Sanskrit and all the Vedic, Sanskrit, reads 
like poetry to me - unintelligible poetry.  I am just deciding to start keeping 
a list of things I want to look up for additional context.  So, again, I won't 
be at all offended if I don't hear back. 


________
From: maskedzebra 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 3:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Opinion (& Monkees Fan Clubs)


  
Denise: I'll keep it si

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Opinion (& Monkees Fan Clubs)

[maskedzebra]

Denise: I'll keep it simple: this post of yours touched me. Lots of you came 
through at me even in the brevity of what you said. KJ's Koln Concert seemed to 
address the most of how I experienced my life [and what I felt life was all 
about] than any other music I had heard (we are talking about the mid-seventies 
here). This music [the entire Koln Concert] was a kind of metaphysical anthem 
for me: the reality thing: so much reality got into KJ when he played on this 
day. And he put that reality into me. Don't want to overstay my welcome here, 
Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:
>
> Robin:  I cannot believe you posted a link with no words (totally kidding). 
>  This is so beautiful.  Soothes the soul.  Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: maskedzebra 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:01 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Beyond Opinion (& Monkees Fan Clubs)
> 
> 
>   
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivo94ylmhE
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Opinion (& Monkees Fan Clubs)

[raunchydog]

Love Keith Jarrett. Thanks for posting. Beautiful.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/230295

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivo94ylmhE
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the TM Technique: the Varmas

[Vaj]

Read the book. I think you'll find he was.

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 31, 2011, at 7:54 PM, "wgm4u"  wrote:

> The difference is MMY had something of value to offer, charlatans mostly 
> don't; MMY never claimed to be a Guru.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the TM Technique: the Varmas

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

this remark, attributed to  Brahmananda Saraswati, "Nowadays, kayasths, 
vaishyas, oil sellers, and even liquor  merchants put on the different colored 
garb of a holy man (sadhu)  and are eager  to  make many disciples of their 
own. In this way both the guru and disciple will  have their downfall. What  I 
am saying is in accord with the sacred codes  (shastras), I am not telling you 
my own  mental construction."13

The difference is MMY had something of value to offer, charlatans mostly don't; 
MMY never claimed to be a Guru.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the Fringe

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> As we all know, only extreme left-wing (or is it
> extreme right-wing?) fanatical Hillary dead-enders
> can find anything to criticize about Obama.
> 
> You won't *believe* the insane fantasies of the two
> pathetic losers in these videos. Rachel and Jon have
> trouble believing what they're hearing too:
> 
> 
> Rachel Maddow, "The Rachel Maddow Show," 5/21/09,
> "Tale of Two Speeches," on preventive detention:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jshogbjtYs
> 
> 
> Jon Stewart, "The Daily Show," 6/25/2009, "Cheney
> Predacted," on secrecy:
> 
> http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=231571&title=cheney-predacted
>
I agree, that Jon and Rachel, are about the best, on TV, right now...
But, there is so much behind the scenes, going on...it's hard to know the 
truth...
A few days ago, someone on 'Air America' was saying, that it was common 
knowledge, in the intelligence community, that bin Laden was still connected 
with the CIA, (that originally funded and trained him, and his operation, 
against the Soviets)...in the late 1980's...
She said, he was working with the CIA, up until 9/11/01...
r.g.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Stem Cells: Obama Overturns Bush War On Science

[Duveyoung]

I'd like to see Obama take on the AMA -- The AMA prevents medical schools from 
expanding the number of students they admit, and they favor men over women too. 
 They want doctors to be rare so as to keep prices high.  There's tons and tons 
of smart folks being rejected solely because of this one reason.  Keeps doctors 
on their pedestals, ya see?  To the extent that any doctor supports this 
policy, he's violating his Hippocratic Oath.  We could easily have twice as 
many doctors in the USA in less than a decade if this policy were to be 
outlawed.  But, Obama's taking money from BigPharm, so it looks like we won't 
see Obama step up to this plate.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> 
> > 
> > "Promoting science isn't just about providing resources, it is also about 
> > protecting free and open inquiry," Obama said. "It is about letting 
> > scientists like those here today do their jobs, free from manipulation or 
> > coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it's inconvenient 
> > especially when it's inconvenient. It is about ensuring that scientific 
> > data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda and that 
> > we make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology."
> > 
> > He said his memorandum is meant to restore "scientific integrity to 
> > government decision-making." He called it the beginning of a process of 
> > ensuring his administration bases its decision on sound science; appoints 
> > scientific advisers based on their credentials, not their politics; and is 
> > honest about the science behind its decisions.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Science really suffered under Bush, including medical research.  One argument 
> I get when I work on promoting a national health care solution is that the US 
> will no longer be the lead in new health discoveries if we go to a national 
> system.  But the two are unrelated.  Many other countries, from France to 
> Russia, are pushing hard with research. Our government substantially reduced  
> funding of university research scientists, forcing them to take money from 
> special interests like drug companies.  Another economic stimulus:  finance 
> independent research.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Stem Cells: Obama Overturns Bush War On Science

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 

> 
> "Promoting science isn't just about providing resources, it is also about 
> protecting free and open inquiry," Obama said. "It is about letting 
> scientists like those here today do their jobs, free from manipulation or 
> coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it's inconvenient 
> especially when it's inconvenient. It is about ensuring that scientific data 
> is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda and that we make 
> scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology."
> 
> He said his memorandum is meant to restore "scientific integrity to 
> government decision-making." He called it the beginning of a process of 
> ensuring his administration bases its decision on sound science; appoints 
> scientific advisers based on their credentials, not their politics; and is 
> honest about the science behind its decisions.




Science really suffered under Bush, including medical research.  One argument I 
get when I work on promoting a national health care solution is that the US 
will no longer be the lead in new health discoveries if we go to a national 
system.  But the two are unrelated.  Many other countries, from France to 
Russia, are pushing hard with research. Our government substantially reduced  
funding of university research scientists, forcing them to take money from 
special interests like drug companies.  Another economic stimulus:  finance 
independent research.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the Universe of Time and Change

[yifuxero]

---There's a limitation with such Neo-Advaitic Gnosis:  somebody - 
some body/mind, has to exist in order to report on that Truism as you 
have done.
 No body/mind, then no reportage.  The limitation is in the message.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Richardson"  
wrote:
>
> 
> Beyond the Universe of Time and Change.
> 
> 
> 
> [ their "God" is beyond the universe ]
> 
> 
> 
> Never met any of the religionists godo's on my travels. But I did
> find something which was beyond the perception and my memory of the
> physical universe – ME.  But there was nobody else there, no godos,
> no sons of godos, just me – and that divine and wondrous pleroma of
> an eternal NOW. And therein I found my SELF, its very first ground 
of
> conscious existence; Primordial Cognition.  Hell, and I was not even
> looking for it, or anything. Were you made in the same factory?  
Well,
> you find out.
> 
> 
> 
> You say there is a limit to what we can know. I guess you are right 
at
> that. But we can sure KNOW or SELF, and when you know that then you 
know
> what your are NOT. And that is the important bit. Hell, I don't even
> know how to build a computer, or how to build a rocket. But I know 
what
> I am and from whence I came and why. So that will do me for now. I 
found
> it when I was very young, so I had cope with that all my adult life
> – and there is more.  But best not mention that.
> 
> 
> 
> Dick.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > Among other possible types of limitations: (Scientific American, 
p.
> > 19, March 2009):
> >
> > 1. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle (HUP). ..."Heisenberg
> > discovered that improved precision regarding, say, an object's
> > position inevitably degraded the level of certainity of its 
momentum."
> >
> > 2. "Kurt Godel showed that within any formal mathematical system
> > advanced enough to be useful, it is impossible to use the system 
to
> > prove evfery true statement that it contains."
> >
> > 3. "...Alan Turing demonstrated that one cannot, in general,
> > determine if a computer algorithm is going to halt".
> >
> > 4. New theorem of David H. Wolpert, NASA Ames Research Center.
> > " ... has chimed in with his version of a knowledge limit. Because
> > of it, he concludes, the universe lies beyond the grasp of any
> > intellect, no matter how powerful, that could exist within the
> > universe." "...no matter what laws of physics govern a universe,
> > there are inevitably facts about the universe that its inhabitants
> > cannot learn by experiment or predict with a computation".
> >
> > [brief comment on the last one. To get around such arguments 
against
> > Omniscience, Fundamentalists are fond of saying that their "God" 
is
> > beyond the universe, thus negating Wolpert's theorem.
> > But various philosophical arguments can be brought to bear on
> > counteracting the Fundies. Some of these will be presented 
shortly.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond the observable universe...

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> "Hundreds of galaxy clusters are flowing toward the same spot in the 
sky
> beyond the observable universe, a University of Hawaii astronomer and
> NASA team members have discovered.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/4jxf6d 
>

Richard Hugo pointed this out earlier this week.  Nonetheless, it is 
interesting to note what the Rig Veda has sung about the universe, as 
interpreted by an Indian author a few years ago.  Supposedly, the 
universe is expanding and is rotating at a certain axis.  So, as we see 
galaxies spin, so does the entire universe.

This principle could account for the anomalies that the astronomers 
have found. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BEYOND WORDS: David Lynch in Brazil

[gullible fool]

 
Which one of these celebrities was spotted learning competing (and better) 
techniques for spiritual development in a VortexHealing class?  
 
Inquiring minds want to know. 

"...but mountain doesn't move!"

--- On Mon, 8/11/08, lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BEYOND WORDS: David Lynch in Brazil
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 6:54 PM

and two weeks from now, or three days from now.  what then.
Is this to be the high point of their lives?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
>   ---Originalmeldung---
> 
>Betreff: BEYOND WORDS: David Lynch in Brazil
> 
>   Bob Roth's report from Brazil to Dr. Bevan Morris.
> 
>   Dear Bevan,
> 
>   There really are no words to properly describe what happened
> yesterday
>   afternoon in Belo Horizonte in Brazil, in a gymnasium filled
> with 3000
>   to 4000 children who have all been born with the divine
> birthright of
>   enlightenment, but who have lived a life far far far from 
that
>   reality-- an impoverished life, all-but abandoned by 
society. No
>   money, no hope, no future.
> 
>   Enter Maharishii's Transcendental Meditation program.
> 
>   With the awe-inspiring organizing power of Raja Luis and the
> great
>   Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of Brazil, thousands of 
these
>   children have learned to meditate. Yesterday, they assembled 
in
> that
>   old gym, crumbling and also forgotten--and they turned it 
into a
>   Shrine of Pure Knowledge. They gathered to honor David Lynch 
and
>   Donovan--and to express their gratitude for the gift of true
> freedom
>   they received from Maharishi.
> 
>   Not much more to say other than to say, look at these 
pictures.
> These
>   should be sad children. They are not. These are happy, 
gleeful,
>   hopeful, bright, shiny kids, lit from within, having the time
> of their
>   lives And David? What to say that has not been said. A 
true
> master
>   teacher of Maharishi's supreme knowledge. And Donovan (along
> with a
>   famous local singer named Claudia)... Well he did what he was
> born to
>   do: Awaken a tsunami of bliss and happiness with his song and
>   presence...
> 
>   The event began at 3:30 pm and ended at 5:30 pm. It was two-
> hours of
>   bliss.
> 
>   ? David entered the building kind of overwhelmed by the
> thunderous
>   applause (you have to see and HEAR the video footage when it 
is
> ready)
>   basked for a moment in the glow of the moment, and then 
spoke a
> few
>   words to the kids, describing TM as a priceless diamond that
> each
>   child should cherish throughout his or her life... He said he
> had not
>   missed a meditation in 35 years--and neither should any of 
the
> kids!
> 
>   ? David and the kids then meditated for ten minutes (a really
> REALLY
>   great experience!)
> 
>   ? A few more words were spoken from the school directors and
> teachers
> 
>   ? Then the concert: Donovan wowed the kids with several songs
> (they
>   went wild with energy and pure joy--the director had a smile 
as
> large
>   as the country of Brazil!) followed by a few more songs with
> Claudia
> 
>   But the true story of the day is in the pictures... with many
> more
>   fabulous photos and videos to come!
> 
>   Jai Guru Dev
> 
>   Bob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen 
herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. 
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: BEYOND WORDS: David Lynch in Brazil

[lurkernomore20002000]

and two weeks from now, or three days from now.  what then.
Is this to be the high point of their lives?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
>   ---Originalmeldung---
> 
>Betreff: BEYOND WORDS: David Lynch in Brazil
> 
>   Bob Roth's report from Brazil to Dr. Bevan Morris.
> 
>   Dear Bevan,
> 
>   There really are no words to properly describe what happened
> yesterday
>   afternoon in Belo Horizonte in Brazil, in a gymnasium filled
> with 3000
>   to 4000 children who have all been born with the divine
> birthright of
>   enlightenment, but who have lived a life far far far from 
that
>   reality-- an impoverished life, all-but abandoned by 
society. No
>   money, no hope, no future.
> 
>   Enter Maharishii's Transcendental Meditation program.
> 
>   With the awe-inspiring organizing power of Raja Luis and the
> great
>   Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of Brazil, thousands of 
these
>   children have learned to meditate. Yesterday, they assembled 
in
> that
>   old gym, crumbling and also forgotten--and they turned it 
into a
>   Shrine of Pure Knowledge. They gathered to honor David Lynch 
and
>   Donovan--and to express their gratitude for the gift of true
> freedom
>   they received from Maharishi.
> 
>   Not much more to say other than to say, look at these 
pictures.
> These
>   should be sad children. They are not. These are happy, 
gleeful,
>   hopeful, bright, shiny kids, lit from within, having the time
> of their
>   lives And David? What to say that has not been said. A 
true
> master
>   teacher of Maharishi's supreme knowledge. And Donovan (along
> with a
>   famous local singer named Claudia)... Well he did what he was
> born to
>   do: Awaken a tsunami of bliss and happiness with his song and
>   presence...
> 
>   The event began at 3:30 pm and ended at 5:30 pm. It was two-
> hours of
>   bliss.
> 
>   ? David entered the building kind of overwhelmed by the
> thunderous
>   applause (you have to see and HEAR the video footage when it 
is
> ready)
>   basked for a moment in the glow of the moment, and then 
spoke a
> few
>   words to the kids, describing TM as a priceless diamond that
> each
>   child should cherish throughout his or her life... He said he
> had not
>   missed a meditation in 35 years--and neither should any of 
the
> kids!
> 
>   ? David and the kids then meditated for ten minutes (a really
> REALLY
>   great experience!)
> 
>   ? A few more words were spoken from the school directors and
> teachers
> 
>   ? Then the concert: Donovan wowed the kids with several songs
> (they
>   went wild with energy and pure joy--the director had a smile 
as
> large
>   as the country of Brazil!) followed by a few more songs with
> Claudia
> 
>   But the true story of the day is in the pictures... with many
> more
>   fabulous photos and videos to come!
> 
>   Jai Guru Dev
> 
>   Bob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen 
herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. 
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 7, 2008, at 8:40 AM, do.rflex wrote:


Zzzz...

Sal




The FFL 'Would-be Guru' Gong Show


LOL




Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:20 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


What is it with the "drive by's" lately?

Are we that in need of "saving?"  :-)


Call it Off's Revenge.  Or maybe Shemp's.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Jan 7, 2008, at 2:16 AM, Ben Gilberti wrote:
> 
> > In my last essay on What Matters, I mentioned that reality is  
> > obvious, and that you can know it simply by experiencing it.  I  
> > called attention to the fact that you are what you seek, and that  
> > you can find out for yourself what you are through your own direct  
> > discovery.
> >
> 
> Zzzz...
> 
> Sal



The FFL 'Would-be Guru' Gong Show

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Failing that, I like to write, too. Do I have your per-
> > > > mission to come to the site you list and post an article
> > > > of my own on Tantra and the joys of drinking, carousing,
> > > > and having sex in graveyards, as espoused by the great
> > > > Tantric masters of the past? 
> > > 
> > > No eating the inside of skulls ?
> > 
> > Naaah. We just use the tops of the skulls as
> > drinking bowls. And we wash them first. 
> > 
> > :-)
> 
> "Tantra for beginners"

"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, 
in the expert's there are few."  - Suzuki Roshi

If you'd like to come by some night, I'm sure that
one of us could show you how insert tab A into slot 
B. Although being a total beginner is better in some
respects, the sex part is a lot more fun when you're 
not trying to hump a gravestone.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > Failing that, I like to write, too. Do I have your per-
> > > mission to come to the site you list and post an article
> > > of my own on Tantra and the joys of drinking, carousing,
> > > and having sex in graveyards, as espoused by the great
> > > Tantric masters of the past? 
> > 
> > No eating the inside of skulls ?
> 
> Naaah. We just use the tops of the skulls as
> drinking bowls. And we wash them first. 
> 
> :-)

"Tantra for beginners"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Failing that, I like to write, too. Do I have your per-
> > mission to come to the site you list and post an article
> > of my own on Tantra and the joys of drinking, carousing,
> > and having sex in graveyards, as espoused by the great
> > Tantric masters of the past? 
> 
> No eating the inside of skulls ?

Naaah. We just use the tops of the skulls as
drinking bowls. And we wash them first. 

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Gilberti" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I love to write.  Some enjoy what I write.  Some don't.
> 
> No problemo. It's just that in some places, it's considered
> polite to introduce yourself to the congregation before you
> walk up to the pulpit and start preaching at them.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Can I ask a question? Is there some kind of New Age "hit
> list" somewhere that people like yourself are reading that
> tells them to "Hie thee hence to Fairfield Life and preach
> the Truth to the heathens?" Sure seems that way; you're
> the third this week.
> 
> Just as a hint, this is a forum that is largely composed
> of folks who have paid their dues in the spiritual world,
> most for three or four decades. Skimming your stuff, I can 
> say without reservation that many of them have paid a great 
> deal *more* dues than you seem to have. You might be better 
> served by trying to join in with the conversations and 
> seeing whether you can learn something than by trying 
> to preach to us.
> 
> Failing that, I like to write, too. Do I have your per-
> mission to come to the site you list and post an article
> of my own on Tantra and the joys of drinking, carousing,
> and having sex in graveyards, as espoused by the great
> Tantric masters of the past? 

No eating the inside of skulls ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Gilberti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I love to write.  Some enjoy what I write.  Some don't.

No problemo. It's just that in some places, it's considered
polite to introduce yourself to the congregation before you
walk up to the pulpit and start preaching at them.

:-)

Can I ask a question? Is there some kind of New Age "hit
list" somewhere that people like yourself are reading that
tells them to "Hie thee hence to Fairfield Life and preach
the Truth to the heathens?" Sure seems that way; you're
the third this week.

Just as a hint, this is a forum that is largely composed
of folks who have paid their dues in the spiritual world,
most for three or four decades. Skimming your stuff, I can 
say without reservation that many of them have paid a great 
deal *more* dues than you seem to have. You might be better 
served by trying to join in with the conversations and 
seeing whether you can learn something than by trying 
to preach to us.

Failing that, I like to write, too. Do I have your per-
mission to come to the site you list and post an article
of my own on Tantra and the joys of drinking, carousing,
and having sex in graveyards, as espoused by the great
Tantric masters of the past? I think your readers would
enjoy it, and from the look of things, probably need
to hear it.

:-)

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > What is it with the "drive by's" lately?
> >
> > Are we that in need of "saving?" :-)
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Gilberti" b7gilberti@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > In my last essay on What Matters, I mentioned that reality is
> obvious,
> > > and that you can know it simply by experiencing it. I called
> attention
> > > to the fact that you are what you seek, and that you can find out
> for
> > > yourself what you are through your own direct discovery.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alright, but how exactly does one do that? Well, I don't know if
> > > this is the best way, but one way that works is to simply notice.
> That
> > > simple. Simply notice.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll give you an example. This is certainly not the only way that
> > > noticing can unfold. It's just one example.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A good way to start out is to notice that noticing is only possible
> > > because of awareness, and hence awareness itself might be wise to
> notice
> > > first. Usually we use our awareness to notice all manner of other
> > > things. But notice now what happens when we notice awareness itself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Notice that our awareness has no shape, no size, no extension. It
> > > doesn't really seem to be a pinpoint. And yet it doesn't' seem
> > > to have any size beyond that either. It seems to extend to whatever
> it
> > > is that we're aware of.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Notice that it really doesn't seem to be a substance of any kind.
> > > It doesn't seem to be made of anything. And yet it is more real
> > > than substance because without it we would never be aware of
> substance.
> > > So it confounds the entire idea of materiality. Matter is so
> > > prominently substantial, and yet without insubstantial awareness all
> the
> > > substance of matter would be pointless.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Notice how absolutely gentle awareness is. Unless what it is aware
> of
> > > has something to do with force, awareness itself is absolutely
> gentle.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to
> > > anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for
> > > everyone. Though we might think that what we're aware of might be
> > > special, awareness itself is never special.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now notice how our very existence would actually have no meaning at
> all
> > > were it not for the fact that we're aware of existing. Notice how
> > > we can't even be aware of anything existing without awareness
> > > because we can't be aware of anything existing without awareness,
> > > without being aware of just that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And now, notice that it actually in fact is the greatest thing we
> could
> > > ever know, because without it we wouldn't be able to know anything.
> > > Notice that it actually in fact is greater than any other experience
> we
> > > could possibly have because without it we wouldn't be able to be
> > > aware of any experience.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Of all the magnificent phenomena in the entire universe. Of all the
> > > astounding miracles you could ever imagine. None is more magnificent
> or
> > > astounding as our own, living awareness. Just notice how much of an
> > > astounding miracle it actually is that we are aware
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And now notice this: Awareness is greater than anything else we
> could
> > > possibly know about God, because without it God wouldn't be aware of
> > > anything, which would nullify everything else about God that is
> grand
> > > and magnificent.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[Ben Gilberti]

I love to write.  Some enjoy what I write.  Some don't.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What is it with the "drive by's" lately?
>
> Are we that in need of "saving?" :-)
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Gilberti" b7gilberti@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > In my last essay on What Matters, I mentioned that reality is
obvious,
> > and that you can know it simply by experiencing it. I called
attention
> > to the fact that you are what you seek, and that you can find out
for
> > yourself what you are through your own direct discovery.
> >
> >
> >
> > Alright, but how exactly does one do that? Well, I don't know if
> > this is the best way, but one way that works is to simply notice.
That
> > simple. Simply notice.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll give you an example. This is certainly not the only way that
> > noticing can unfold. It's just one example.
> >
> >
> >
> > A good way to start out is to notice that noticing is only possible
> > because of awareness, and hence awareness itself might be wise to
notice
> > first. Usually we use our awareness to notice all manner of other
> > things. But notice now what happens when we notice awareness itself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Notice that our awareness has no shape, no size, no extension. It
> > doesn't really seem to be a pinpoint. And yet it doesn't' seem
> > to have any size beyond that either. It seems to extend to whatever
it
> > is that we're aware of.
> >
> >
> >
> > Notice that it really doesn't seem to be a substance of any kind.
> > It doesn't seem to be made of anything. And yet it is more real
> > than substance because without it we would never be aware of
substance.
> > So it confounds the entire idea of materiality. Matter is so
> > prominently substantial, and yet without insubstantial awareness all
the
> > substance of matter would be pointless.
> >
> >
> >
> > Notice how absolutely gentle awareness is. Unless what it is aware
of
> > has something to do with force, awareness itself is absolutely
gentle.
> >
> >
> >
> > Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to
> > anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for
> > everyone. Though we might think that what we're aware of might be
> > special, awareness itself is never special.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now notice how our very existence would actually have no meaning at
all
> > were it not for the fact that we're aware of existing. Notice how
> > we can't even be aware of anything existing without awareness
> > because we can't be aware of anything existing without awareness,
> > without being aware of just that.
> >
> >
> >
> > And now, notice that it actually in fact is the greatest thing we
could
> > ever know, because without it we wouldn't be able to know anything.
> > Notice that it actually in fact is greater than any other experience
we
> > could possibly have because without it we wouldn't be able to be
> > aware of any experience.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of all the magnificent phenomena in the entire universe. Of all the
> > astounding miracles you could ever imagine. None is more magnificent
or
> > astounding as our own, living awareness. Just notice how much of an
> > astounding miracle it actually is that we are aware
> >
> >
> >
> > And now notice this: Awareness is greater than anything else we
could
> > possibly know about God, because without it God wouldn't be aware of
> > anything, which would nullify everything else about God that is
grand
> > and magnificent. Try to imagine God not being aware of His own
> > existence. Without awareness, God would be nothing. Just notice
that.
> >
> >
> >
> > So the greatest thing we can know about God is that God is
awareness,
> > because God would be nothing without awareness, just as we would.
So,
> > awareness is the one thing that is clearly essential both to us, and
to
> > God.
> >
> >
> >
> > Notice that if we weren't awareness in the first place, we
> > couldn't imagine ourselves to be something other than awareness. We
> > have to BE awareness before we can think we're something else. That
> > being the case, what's the point in thinking we're something
> > else?
> >
> >
> >
> > And now notice that there can't possibly be anything more true than
> > awareness. Just try to imagine something that is more true than
> > awareness. Everything we can possibly know about Truth could not be
> > known unless there was awareness in the first place to be aware of
it.
> >
> >
> >
> > So what we've noticed, then, is that Awareness is our True Identity
> > and the only Reality.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, that certainly is very nice, isn't it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > But now what.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, now that the value of noticing is obvious, it's a good idea to
> > just keep doing it.
> >
> >
> >
> > As often as possible, simply notice that you exist.
> >
> >
> >
> > You'll find that if you just keep doing that, everything else will
> > fall into place.
> >
> >
> >
> > An

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond What Matters

[TurquoiseB]

What is it with the "drive by's" lately?

Are we that in need of "saving?"  :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Gilberti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 
> In my last essay on What Matters, I mentioned that reality is obvious,
> and that you can know it simply by experiencing it.  I called attention
> to the fact that you are what you seek, and that you can find out for
> yourself what you are through your own direct discovery.
> 
> 
> 
> Alright, but how exactly does one do that?   Well, I don't know if
> this is the best way, but one way that works is to simply notice.  That
> simple.  Simply notice.
> 
> 
> 
> I'll give you an example.  This is certainly not the only way that
> noticing can unfold.  It's just one example.
> 
> 
> 
> A good way to start out is to notice that noticing is only possible
> because of awareness, and hence awareness itself might be wise to notice
> first.   Usually we use our awareness to notice all manner of other
> things.  But notice now what happens when we notice awareness itself.
> 
> 
> 
> Notice that our awareness has no shape, no size, no extension.  It
> doesn't really seem to be a pinpoint.  And yet it doesn't' seem
> to have any size beyond that either.  It seems to extend to whatever it
> is that we're aware of.
> 
> 
> 
> Notice that it really doesn't seem to be a substance of any kind. 
> It doesn't seem to be made of anything.  And yet it is more real
> than substance because without it we would never be aware of substance. 
> So it confounds the entire idea of materiality.  Matter is so
> prominently substantial, and yet without insubstantial awareness all the
> substance of matter would be pointless.
> 
> 
> 
> Notice how absolutely gentle awareness is.  Unless what it is aware of
> has something to do with force, awareness itself is absolutely gentle.
> 
> 
> 
> Notice how everyone's awareness, when considered without regard to
> anything one might happen to be aware of, is exactly the same for
> everyone.  Though we might think that what we're aware of might be
> special, awareness itself is never special.
> 
> 
> 
> Now notice how our very existence would actually have no meaning at all
> were it not for the fact that we're aware of existing.   Notice how
> we can't even be aware of anything existing without awareness
> because we can't be aware of anything existing without awareness,
> without being aware of just that.
> 
> 
> 
> And now, notice that it actually in fact is the greatest thing we could
> ever know, because without it we wouldn't be able to know anything.
> Notice that it actually in fact is greater than any other experience we
> could possibly have because without it we wouldn't be able to be
> aware of any experience.
> 
> 
> 
> Of all the magnificent phenomena in the entire universe.   Of all the
> astounding miracles you could ever imagine.  None is more magnificent or
> astounding as our own, living awareness.  Just notice how much of an
> astounding miracle it actually is that we are aware
> 
> 
> 
> And now notice this:  Awareness is greater than anything else we could
> possibly know about God, because without it God wouldn't be aware of
> anything, which would nullify everything else about God that is grand
> and magnificent.  Try to imagine God not being aware of His own
> existence.  Without awareness, God would be nothing.  Just notice that.
> 
> 
> 
> So the greatest thing we can know about God is that God is awareness,
> because God would be nothing without awareness, just as we would.  So,
> awareness is the one thing that is clearly essential both to us, and to
> God.
> 
> 
> 
> Notice that if we weren't awareness in the first place, we
> couldn't imagine ourselves to be something other than awareness.  We
> have to BE awareness before we can think we're something else.  That
> being the case, what's the point in thinking we're something
> else?
> 
> 
> 
> And now notice that there can't possibly be anything more true than
> awareness.  Just try to imagine something that is more true than
> awareness.  Everything we can possibly know about Truth could not be
> known unless there was awareness in the first place to be aware of it.
> 
> 
> 
> So what we've noticed, then, is that Awareness is our True Identity
> and the only Reality.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, that certainly is very nice, isn't it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> But now what.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, now that the value of noticing is obvious, it's a good idea to
> just keep doing it.
> 
> 
> 
> As often as possible, simply notice that you exist.
> 
> 
> 
> You'll find that if you just keep doing that, everything else will
> fall into place.
> 
> 
> 
> And the nice thing about this is that nobody has to take anybody's word
> for it.
> 
> 
> 
> If one just does it, they'll find out for themselves.
> 
> 
> 
> Much Love,
> 
> 
> 
> Ben Gilberti 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Rainbows

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 My homework is to
> support whatever it takes to reach atonement with that Cosmic Self.
> 
> A Greatness views life through us all.  The bible, and every other
> scripture I've ever read, speaks about these things, so I'll end with
> a quote from the sermon on the mount.  It's all about letting go and
> letting God.  Ain't nuttin' like what gets done when Infinite Sleeves
> get rolled up.  Stand back, let a Professional do the job.
> 
Nicely put. I remember years and years ago Maharishi saying that the 
baseline state of conciousness during the Age of Enlightenment would 
be Cosmic Consciousness, or atonement/attunement with the Cosmic Self. 

Such a thing seemed so mystical and fantastical and utterly 
unimaginable at the time. Now its kind of a, "well, no duh":-) 

The world is speeding by faster than any of can comprehend, and CC 
seems to be the bare minimum for us in order to get through modern 
life with any hope of a frictionless flow. It is not really spiritual 
practice as separate from life anymore, it is just survival; The 
Basics. :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Fundamentalism

[Irmeli Mattsson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Beyond Fundamentalism?
> Scientific research published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
> The only validity on anything arguable in this world.
> ( a hundred or so should sufficefor or against a hypothesis ).
> 
> Otherwise it is heresay, myth, hogwash. Period.
> 
> Have a nice day...
> Off-World


Beyond fundamentalism is much more than scientific critical
evaluation. It is a new attitude, or a new, more advanced structure of
the mind to operate with. It is openness to the possibility that my
worldview, or spiritual and religious beliefs, are not the only
correct one's, possibly even someway distorted, not quite reflecting
the highest truth.
It means capacity to be in real dialogue with others with different
worldviews without resorting to very defensive and rigid emotional
reactions, and openness to learn something new from the other. With
defensive and rigid emotional reaction I mean a state of mind where
one is not capable of looking at the issue with evenness of mind from
many different angles and calmly weighing the truthfulness of
different claims in one's mind. Fundamentalism means using one's
intellect to defend one's believes, not for looking for the
truthfulness of those beliefs.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > "No one should conjecture what I will do. Because what I will do is 
> > beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and beyond the 
> > imagination of any man"
> > Maharishi
> 
> So say we all...

Well several girl friends have.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.

[sparaig]

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> "No one should conjecture what I will do. Because what I will do is 
> beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and beyond the 
> imagination of any man"
> Maharishi

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.

[Rick Archer]

on 5/28/05 12:16 PM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The syntax does not sound like MMY. Source?
> 
> I disagree, but will try to find date/place of this interesting quote
> sent to me by a friend..

I remember the quote well but also don't know the source.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.

[Rick Archer]

on 5/28/05 11:43 AM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> "No one should conjecture what I will do. Because what I will do is
> beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and beyond the
> imagination of any man"
> Maharishi

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[FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.

[gerbal88]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> "No one should conjecture what I will do. Because what I will do is 
> beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and beyond the 
> imagination of any man"
> Maharishi

m'thinks the good Maharishi was having a little problem with 
megalomania when he said this, yes?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.

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> The syntax does not sound like MMY. Source?

I disagree, but will try to find date/place of this interesting quote 
sent to me by a friend..
> 
> --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "No one should conjecture what I will do. Because
> > what I will do is 
> > beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and
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> > imagination of any man"
> > Maharishi
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.

[Peter Sutphen]

The syntax does not sound like MMY. Source?

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> imagination of any man"
> Maharishi
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[FairfieldLife] Re: ... beyond discussion.

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"No one should conjecture what I will do. Because what I will do is 
beyond any human mind. It is beyond discussion and beyond the 
imagination of any man"
Maharishi




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