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And this, my friends, is the high level of discourse that has come to characterize FFL. The same rant we hear, (and have heard) from Barry, (and now others), some 20 times a day, for the better part of 20 years. Of course, with Barry, (in particular) we get the extra treat of misrepresentations and straw man arguments. The crowning achievement of his writing career! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Srijau seems to be the very prototype of the cultist who has been told most of his life how incredibly important he and other members of his cult are to the universe, and now that he's getting old and nearing death, he's beginning to panic about it. He thinks, What if I'm *not* important? What if I'm gulp *ordinary*? Could I possibly have wasted my life? YES , YES, YES. The thing is here, Barry, that many TB TMers, will immediately filter out what you just said, as negative and therefor nonspiritual. Thanks for getting it. My comments were not meant to dump on Srijau per se, but to bring up the elephant in the room -- this issue of self-importance, and how that was *cultivated* in TMers rather than lessened. He's just a clear example of it, that's all. The entire TMO path was about Maharishi trying to convince people how important and special they were. He did this because that kept them on the hook contributing money and adoration -- both of which he was addicted to. But it's also directly opposed to more evolved teachings, which as you say emphasize the *reduction* of self-importance, not the development of it. IMO the why of why people like Srijau and Nabby and Jimbo and Judy and Steve get so crazy at the things we say is NOT really that we're badrapping TM or Maharishi, but that we're consistently puncturing the balloons of *their* self-important egos, and reminding *them* how ordinary they are. After decades of being told the opposite, they go more than a little crazy when presented with a more realistic view of themselves than the one they were given by Maharishi. The reason is obviously, that people in TM are not really taught about the traps of the ego in spiritual life. They are usually not aware, that 'feeling special' or 'not ordinary', is just another ego trap, that often accompany spiritual teachings. Teachers, who are aware of this trap, teach this to their students, and strip off any of the trappings of spirituality, like special clothing, spiritual titles etc. For years initiators had a special dress code, like white or creme colored suits, (after the dark blue ones), and people are addressed in a certain was, just remember the 'Knowers of reality', Governors, Sidha, Raja etc. There is no concept of ego and ego death around TM, instead, we have just recently seen an article where the author boasted that this wasn't necessary in TM, instead the 'Cosmic Ego' would be developed, and this was so much a better path, etc, again appealing to ego, really. You and I have encountered teachers who lay stress on being 'normal' and lead an 'ordinary' life, rejecting elitist thinking as one of the main ego traps in spirituality. And you always get flak for it. Yup. And the funniest part is that the more I point out how *not special* TMers really are, the more they interpret that as me claiming to be special. To them, being on a spiritual path is *synonymous* with feeling special. They cannot conceive of someone being on a spiritual path and not only not wanting to be more special, but to become less so. I am actually grateful to TM as a practice, but TMers are very naive about this issue. I'm grateful to TM as a practice the way I'm grateful for being taught to read in kindergarten. TM is a very, very, very, very, very basic and introductory practice, but hey! we all have to start somewhere, and TM provided that start for me. I'm just happy that I outgrew it quickly, as opposed to some here who have been taking the same kindergarten courses for decades now, while considering them the highest teachings. These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees, cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to interface with the real world as often as Nabby was. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably
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No, maybe you guys are assuming things about Sri. Maybe he just infers from his experience and you malign him otherwise on a public forum. May be you guys are too quick in your cult to draw 'cult' around Shri. Maybe he knows some things you do not. Could be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Srijau seems to be the very prototype of the cultist who has been told most of his life how incredibly important he and other members of his cult are to the universe, and now that he's getting old and nearing death, he's beginning to panic about it. He thinks, What if I'm *not* important? What if I'm gulp *ordinary*? Could I possibly have wasted my life? YES , YES, YES. The thing is here, Barry, that many TB TMers, will immediately filter out what you just said, as negative and therefor nonspiritual. Thanks for getting it. My comments were not meant to dump on Srijau per se, but to bring up the elephant in the room -- this issue of self-importance, and how that was *cultivated* in TMers rather than lessened. He's just a clear example of it, that's all. The entire TMO path was about Maharishi trying to convince people how important and special they were. He did this because that kept them on the hook contributing money and adoration -- both of which he was addicted to. But it's also directly opposed to more evolved teachings, which as you say emphasize the *reduction* of self-importance, not the development of it. IMO the why of why people like Srijau and Nabby and Jimbo and Judy and Steve get so crazy at the things we say is NOT really that we're badrapping TM or Maharishi, but that we're consistently puncturing the balloons of *their* self-important egos, and reminding *them* how ordinary they are. After decades of being told the opposite, they go more than a little crazy when presented with a more realistic view of themselves than the one they were given by Maharishi. The reason is obviously, that people in TM are not really taught about the traps of the ego in spiritual life. They are usually not aware, that 'feeling special' or 'not ordinary', is just another ego trap, that often accompany spiritual teachings. Teachers, who are aware of this trap, teach this to their students, and strip off any of the trappings of spirituality, like special clothing, spiritual titles etc. For years initiators had a special dress code, like white or creme colored suits, (after the dark blue ones), and people are addressed in a certain was, just remember the 'Knowers of reality', Governors, Sidha, Raja etc. There is no concept of ego and ego death around TM, instead, we have just recently seen an article where the author boasted that this wasn't necessary in TM, instead the 'Cosmic Ego' would be developed, and this was so much a better path, etc, again appealing to ego, really. You and I have encountered teachers who lay stress on being 'normal' and lead an 'ordinary' life, rejecting elitist thinking as one of the main ego traps in spirituality. And you always get flak for it. Yup. And the funniest part is that the more I point out how *not special* TMers really are, the more they interpret that as me claiming to be special. To them, being on a spiritual path is *synonymous* with feeling special. They cannot conceive of someone being on a spiritual path and not only not wanting to be more special, but to become less so. I am actually grateful to TM as a practice, but TMers are very naive about this issue. I'm grateful to TM as a practice the way I'm grateful for being taught to read in kindergarten. TM is a very, very, very, very, very basic and introductory practice, but hey! we all have to start somewhere, and TM provided that start for me. I'm just happy that I outgrew it quickly, as opposed to some here who have been taking the same kindergarten courses for decades now, while considering them the highest teachings. These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees, cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to interface with the real world as often as Nabby was. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication: If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll
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as Nabby's old act, only even more clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to interface with the real world as often as Nabby was. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication: If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made of mud and stone with no mortar and they simply crumbled in a heartbeat. There is no way to get around it… the Himalayas is one of the most seismically active areas of the world.. In fact this earthquake moved Kathmandu about 10 feet south and raised the Valley up about 3 feet… all in one go.. (Mount Everest sank by about an inch…) So, when you consider the Laws Of Nature, it is in fact almost a miracle that the damage occurred in a relatively narrow window of the day and day of the week that could mitigate such a potential calamity. People here are very much aware of this and deeply grateful that Nature’s timing was as kind as it was.. This is not to belie the extent of the suffering and destruction.. It IS MASSIVE, but it could have been so very much worse. Now that is interesting from our perspective in that these days in Nepal there are very many Maharishi Yagyas going on… And as we all know, the TMO claims responsibility for the end of apartheid and the fall of the Berlin wall. But not officially, oh no. They aren't that stupid, stuff like this is passed around in hushed tones of awe and reverence. The secret knowing of the True Believer who also knows that the rest of the world would stand slack jawed with astonishment at the level of hubris on display should they really start to admit what they really think. I know Sri, I used to work there. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is absolutely typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the dishonest argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes which were never made.
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His crowning writing achievement in the FFL religious debate! He failed to reach enlightenment in 5-7 years; in over a decade he failed to produce a single enlightened student; He dedicated almost half of his adult life to promoting levitation demonstrations, but not once was he able himself to hop, fly, or slowly rise up off of a sofa and hover in mid-air. So, he called the cops on Jim. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : The crowning achievement of his writing career! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'm just happy that I outgrew it quickly, as opposed to some here who have been taking the same kindergarten courses for decades now, while considering them the highest teachings. These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees, cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to interface with the real world as often as Nabby was. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication: If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made of mud and stone with no mortar and they simply crumbled in a heartbeat. There is no way to get around it… the Himalayas is one of the most seismically active areas of the world.. In fact this earthquake moved Kathmandu about 10 feet south and raised the Valley up about 3 feet… all in one go.. (Mount Everest sank by about an inch…) So, when you consider the Laws Of Nature, it is in fact almost a miracle that the damage occurred in a relatively narrow window of the day and day of the week that could mitigate such a potential calamity. People here are very much aware of this and deeply grateful that Nature’s timing was as kind as it was.. This is not to belie the extent of the suffering and destruction.. It IS MASSIVE, but it could have been so very much worse. Now that is interesting from our perspective in that these days in Nepal there are very many Maharishi Yagyas going on… And as we all know, the TMO claims responsibility for the end of apartheid and the fall of the Berlin wall. But not officially, oh no. They aren't that stupid, stuff like this is passed around in hushed tones of awe and reverence. The secret knowing of the True Believer who also knows that the rest of the world would stand slack jawed with astonishment at the level of hubris on display should they really start to admit what they really think. I know Sri, I used to work there. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is absolutely typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the dishonest argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes which were never made. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : The crowning achievement of his writing career! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'm just happy that I outgrew it quickly, as opposed to some here who have been taking the same kindergarten courses for decades now, while considering them the highest teachings. These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees, cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to interface with the real world as often as Nabby was. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication: If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made of mud
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The idea is that you were posting a bold lie about Vastu and the Nepal earthquake, attempting to win a religious argument by being dishonest and using a human tragedy to win an argument. It was a false analogy and made you look really stupid and prejudiced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is absolutely typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the dishonest argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes which were never made.
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I can't disagree with any of your points, Xeno, or really add to them, so I won't even try. What I will comment on is my amused anticipation of the display of ego centered mind and the narcissist's dream and the self importance in an immature mind we have in store for us as Jimbo melts down in response to Curtis calling him on his claim over on The_Leak. That's really going to be fun to watch. :-) From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? Part of the problem in the TM sphere is the Hindu-derived language. The word 'self' to any average person is a tag for the ego. Then if you say 'self' becomes 'Self' the ego-centred mind really tends to hear 'ego becomes EGO'. It is not that 'self' and 'Self' are really conceptually the same, but that 'you' (the ego) will become 'Self', so that implies to the ego that it will be transformed into 'Self', when in fact, it will be eventually shunted aside, and at least substantially destroyed, something the ego never wants to happen. Buddha I think made the idea a bit more workable by just saying there is no self, there is only whatever, something that cannot be described. In some ways even Christianity is more workable in that the individual is humbled before its concept of god, a means to suppress ego. So in a way the Hindu terminology is a narcissist's dream, in that it tends to mistakenly foster self importance in an immature mind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Srijau seems to be the very prototype of the cultist who has been told most of his life how incredibly important he and other members of his cult are to the universe, and now that he's getting old and nearing death, he's beginning to panic about it. He thinks, What if I'm *not* important? What if I'm gulp *ordinary*? Could I possibly have wasted my life? YES , YES, YES. The thing is here, Barry, that many TB TMers, will immediately filter out what you just said, as negative and therefor nonspiritual. Thanks for getting it. My comments were not meant to dump on Srijau per se, but to bring up the elephant in the room -- this issue of self-importance, and how that was *cultivated* in TMers rather than lessened. He's just a clear example of it, that's all. The entire TMO path was about Maharishi trying to convince people how important and special they were. He did this because that kept them on the hook contributing money and adoration -- both of which he was addicted to. But it's also directly opposed to more evolved teachings, which as you say emphasize the *reduction* of self-importance, not the development of it. IMO the why of why people like Srijau and Nabby and Jimbo and Judy and Steve get so crazy at the things we say is NOT really that we're badrapping TM or Maharishi, but that we're consistently puncturing the balloons of *their* self-important egos, and reminding *them* how ordinary they are. After decades of being told the opposite, they go more than a little crazy when presented with a more realistic view of themselves than the one they were given by Maharishi. The reason is obviously, that people in TM are not really taught about the traps of the ego in spiritual life. They are usually not aware, that 'feeling special' or 'not ordinary', is just another ego trap, that often accompany spiritual teachings. Teachers, who are aware of this trap, teach this to their students, and strip off any of the trappings of spirituality, like special clothing, spiritual titles etc. For years initiators had a special dress code, like white or creme colored suits, (after the dark blue ones), and people are addressed in a certain was, just remember the 'Knowers of reality', Governors, Sidha, Raja etc. There is no concept of ego and ego death around TM, instead, we have just recently seen an article where the author boasted that this wasn't necessary in TM, instead the 'Cosmic Ego' would be developed, and this was so much a better path, etc, again appealing to ego, really. You and I have encountered teachers who lay stress on being 'normal' and lead an 'ordinary' life, rejecting elitist thinking as one of the main ego traps in spirituality. And you always get flak for it. Yup. And the funniest part is that the more I point out how *not special* TMers really are, the more they interpret that as me claiming to be special. To them, being on a spiritual path is *synonymous* with feeling special. They cannot conceive of someone being on a spiritual path and not only not wanting to be more special, but to become less so. I am actually grateful to TM as a practice, but TMers are very naive about this issue. I'm grateful to TM as a practice the way I'm grateful
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B-B-B- Bingo!
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't
include the previous message in your reply
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is
absolutely typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the
dishonest argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes
which were never made.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
Srijau seems to be the very prototype of the cultist who has been told most of
his life how incredibly important he and other members of his cult are to the
universe, and now that he's getting old and nearing death, he's beginning to
panic about it. He thinks, What if I'm *not* important? What if I'm gulp
*ordinary*? Could I possibly have wasted my life?
These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees,
cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that
make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more
clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to
interface with the real world as often as Nabby was.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't
include the previous message in your reply
Not paying attention is he?
He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication:
If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have
in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made
of mud and stone with no mortar and they simply crumbled in a heartbeat. There
is no way to get around it… the Himalayas is one of the most seismically active
areas of the world.. In fact this earthquake moved Kathmandu about 10 feet
south and raised the Valley up about 3 feet… all in one go.. (Mount Everest
sank by about an inch…) So, when you consider the Laws Of Nature, it is in fact
almost a miracle that the damage occurred in a relatively narrow window of the
day and day of the week that could mitigate such a potential calamity. People
here are very much aware of this and deeply grateful that Nature’s timing was
as kind as it was.. This is not to belie the extent of the suffering and
destruction.. It IS MASSIVE, but it could have been so very much worse. Now
that is interesting from our perspective in that these days in Nepal there are
very many Maharishi Yagyas going on…
And as we all know, the TMO claims responsibility for the end of apartheid and
the fall of the Berlin wall. But not officially, oh no. They aren't that
stupid, stuff like this is passed around in hushed tones of awe and reverence.
The secret knowing of the True Believer who also knows that the rest of the
world would stand slack jawed with astonishment at the level of hubris on
display should they really start to admit what they really think.
I know Sri, I used to work there.
From: srijau@... srijau@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is absolutely
typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the dishonest
argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes which were
never made.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication: If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made of mud and stone with no mortar and they simply crumbled in a heartbeat. There is no way to get around it… the Himalayas is one of the most seismically active areas of the world.. In fact this earthquake moved Kathmandu about 10 feet south and raised the Valley up about 3 feet… all in one go.. (Mount Everest sank by about an inch…) So, when you consider the Laws Of Nature, it is in fact almost a miracle that the damage occurred in a relatively narrow window of the day and day of the week that could mitigate such a potential calamity. People here are very much aware of this and deeply grateful that Nature’s timing was as kind as it was.. This is not to belie the extent of the suffering and destruction.. It IS MASSIVE, but it could have been so very much worse. Now that is interesting from our perspective in that these days in Nepal there are very many Maharishi Yagyas going on… And as we all know, the TMO claims responsibility for the end of apartheid and the fall of the Berlin wall. But not officially, oh no. They aren't that stupid, stuff like this is passed around in hushed tones of awe and reverence. The secret knowing of the True Believer who also knows that the rest of the world would stand slack jawed with astonishment at the level of hubris on display should they really start to admit what they really think. I know Sri, I used to work there. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is absolutely typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the dishonest argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes which were never made.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Srijau seems to be the very prototype of the cultist who has been told most of his life how incredibly important he and other members of his cult are to the universe, and now that he's getting old and nearing death, he's beginning to panic about it. He thinks, What if I'm *not* important? What if I'm gulp *ordinary*? Could I possibly have wasted my life? YES , YES, YES. The thing is here, Barry, that many TB TMers, will immediately filter out what you just said, as negative and therefor nonspiritual. The reason is obviously, that people in TM are not really taught about the traps of the ego in spiritual life. They are usually not aware, that 'feeling special' or 'not ordinary', is just another ego trap, that often accompany spiritual teachings. Teachers, who are aware of this trap, teach this to their students, and strip off any of the trappings of spirituality, like special clothing, spiritual titles etc. For years initiators had a special dress code, like white or creme colored suits, (after the dark blue ones), and people are addressed in a certain was, just remember the 'Knowers of reality', Governors, Sidha, Raja etc. There is no concept of ego and ego death around TM, instead, we have just recently seen an article where the author boasted that this wasn't necessary in TM, instead the 'Cosmic Ego' would be developed, and this was so much a better path, etc, again appealing to ego, really. You and I have encountered teachers who lay stress on being 'normal' and lead an 'ordinary' life, rejecting elitist thinking as one of the main ego traps in spirituality. And you always get flak for it. I am actually grateful to TM as a practice, but TMers are very naive about this issue. These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees, cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to interface with the real world as often as Nabby was. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication: If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made of mud and stone with no mortar and they simply crumbled in a heartbeat. There is no way to get around it… the Himalayas is one of the most seismically active areas of the world.. In fact this earthquake moved Kathmandu about 10 feet south and raised the Valley up about 3 feet… all in one go.. (Mount Everest sank by about an inch…) So, when you consider the Laws Of Nature, it is in fact almost a miracle that the damage occurred in a relatively narrow window of the day and day of the week that could mitigate such a potential calamity. People here are very much aware of this and deeply grateful that Nature’s timing was as kind as it was.. This is not to belie the extent of the suffering and destruction.. It IS MASSIVE, but it could have been so very much worse. Now that is interesting from our perspective in that these days in Nepal there are very many Maharishi Yagyas going on… And as we all know, the TMO claims responsibility for the end of apartheid and the fall of the Berlin wall. But not officially, oh no. They aren't that stupid, stuff like this is passed around in hushed tones of awe and reverence. The secret knowing of the True Believer who also knows that the rest of the world would stand slack jawed with astonishment at the level of hubris on display should they really start to admit what they really think. I know Sri, I used to work there. From: srijau@... srijau@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is absolutely typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the dishonest argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes which were never made.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
Or he is referring to my message here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/414480 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/414480 about 'bad vastu' (message 414480) I think it was about this remark about Pashupatinath destruction, and the temple not being vastu according to Sris claims (from Google earth!!), and me making fun of it. Now he denies having ever said anything, and calls me a liar (without naming me of course), as Judy had just sanctioned that term for me. Btw, Judy always claims that she is not a TB, and yet all TBs I know around here, are very fond of her, and mimic what she says. Go figure. Funny thing is, that nobody knows what he is referring to, so he can always backpedal from his otherwise outrageous claims. He can call somebody a liar, but nobody knows even whom he means. What a lame wimp.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Srijau seems to be the very prototype of the cultist who has been told most of his life how incredibly important he and other members of his cult are to the universe, and now that he's getting old and nearing death, he's beginning to panic about it. He thinks, What if I'm *not* important? What if I'm gulp *ordinary*? Could I possibly have wasted my life? YES , YES, YES. The thing is here, Barry, that many TB TMers, will immediately filter out what you just said, as negative and therefor nonspiritual. Thanks for getting it. My comments were not meant to dump on Srijau per se, but to bring up the elephant in the room -- this issue of self-importance, and how that was *cultivated* in TMers rather than lessened. He's just a clear example of it, that's all. The entire TMO path was about Maharishi trying to convince people how important and special they were. He did this because that kept them on the hook contributing money and adoration -- both of which he was addicted to. But it's also directly opposed to more evolved teachings, which as you say emphasize the *reduction* of self-importance, not the development of it. IMO the why of why people like Srijau and Nabby and Jimbo and Judy and Steve get so crazy at the things we say is NOT really that we're badrapping TM or Maharishi, but that we're consistently puncturing the balloons of *their* self-important egos, and reminding *them* how ordinary they are. After decades of being told the opposite, they go more than a little crazy when presented with a more realistic view of themselves than the one they were given by Maharishi. The reason is obviously, that people in TM are not really taught about the traps of the ego in spiritual life. They are usually not aware, that 'feeling special' or 'not ordinary', is just another ego trap, that often accompany spiritual teachings. Teachers, who are aware of this trap, teach this to their students, and strip off any of the trappings of spirituality, like special clothing, spiritual titles etc. For years initiators had a special dress code, like white or creme colored suits, (after the dark blue ones), and people are addressed in a certain was, just remember the 'Knowers of reality', Governors, Sidha, Raja etc. There is no concept of ego and ego death around TM, instead, we have just recently seen an article where the author boasted that this wasn't necessary in TM, instead the 'Cosmic Ego' would be developed, and this was so much a better path, etc, again appealing to ego, really. You and I have encountered teachers who lay stress on being 'normal' and lead an 'ordinary' life, rejecting elitist thinking as one of the main ego traps in spirituality. And you always get flak for it. Yup. And the funniest part is that the more I point out how *not special* TMers really are, the more they interpret that as me claiming to be special. To them, being on a spiritual path is *synonymous* with feeling special. They cannot conceive of someone being on a spiritual path and not only not wanting to be more special, but to become less so. I am actually grateful to TM as a practice, but TMers are very naive about this issue. I'm grateful to TM as a practice the way I'm grateful for being taught to read in kindergarten. TM is a very, very, very, very, very basic and introductory practice, but hey! we all have to start somewhere, and TM provided that start for me. I'm just happy that I outgrew it quickly, as opposed to some here who have been taking the same kindergarten courses for decades now, while considering them the highest teachings. These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees, cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to interface with the real world as often as Nabby was. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't include the previous message in your reply Not paying attention is he? He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication: If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made of mud and stone with no mortar and they simply crumbled in a heartbeat. There is no way to get around it… the Himalayas is one of the most seismically active areas of the world.. In fact this earthquake moved Kathmandu about 10 feet south and raised the Valley up about 3 feet… all in one
[FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
All Hindu temples are constructed according to vastu principles, that's why they call them temples. The problem is not the temple construction, the problem is that Nepal is located in the Himalayas, which are the result of plate tectonics - the Himalayas ARE an earthquake. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It couldn't have been Shiva in Nepal, look his own temple was destroyed - and I am sure it was constructed according to Vastu. Non sequitur. Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara International | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara Int... https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Juna Akhara International posted this photo on 2015-04-26. 0 likes. 0 comments. 0 shares. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
All humans make use of vastu to a certain degree, even if they don't believe in it. There's probably not a single person on this list that hasn't been inclined to decorate and arrange their own home. Vastu is all about placement and positioning. The first human vastu may have been the location of the family fire-pit. Man's first use of fire was probably not for warmth or for cooking food - but used as a fetish in order to impress the neighbors. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Pashupatinath is not constructed to Vastu, just look on google earth and you can see the orientation was totally random. Non sequitur. According to what I've read, the original Pashupatinath Temple no longer exists but the new one (17th century) has a Gajur on top (gold pinnacle)and inside the temple are the two Garbhagrihasn (inner and an outer) The inner garbhagriha (sanctum sanctorum) where is placed the murti (idol), is a long corridor representing space.
[FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
All Hindu temples are constructed according to vastu principles, You are right, especially temples are constructed according to Vastu, especially big and important ones like the Pashupatinath Temple, it is regarded the most important Hindu temple in Nepal. Of course it is absurd to believe that Vastu, especially orientation has anything to do with a building surviving an earthquake. But of course construction matters, as do building materials, the type of wood used etc. Pashupatinath is often regarded as one in line with the twelve jyotir lingas, who are spread all over India. Many of these jyotir Linga temples have been destroyed and rebuild again, often at slightly different locations. If you want to visit one, you will be often led by Indians to another site, where the original temple used to be. It is also said that the damage was not too heavy. But to imagine, that an Indian temple will be destroyed because of bad Vastu, one of that significance as Pashupatinath, is about the most absurd thing I ever heard. If I tell this to my Indian friends, that some people here say this, they will just shake their heads, because for a devout Hindu, the power of the God can of course never be canceled by Vastu. What an absurd idea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : All Hindu temples are constructed according to vastu principles, that's why they call them temples. The problem is not the temple construction, the problem is that Nepal is located in the Himalayas, which are the result of plate tectonics - the Himalayas ARE an earthquake. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It couldn't have been Shiva in Nepal, look his own temple was destroyed - and I am sure it was constructed according to Vastu. Non sequitur. Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara International | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara Int... https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Juna Akhara International posted this photo on 2015-04-26. 0 likes. 0 comments. 0 shares. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is absolutely typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the dishonest argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes which were never made.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't
include the previous message in your reply
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
It couldn't have been Shiva in Nepal, look his own temple was destroyed - and I am sure it was constructed according to Vastu. Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara International | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Pashupatinath temple damages - Juna Akhara Int... https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Juna Akhara International posted this photo on 2015-04-26. 0 likes. 0 comments. 0 shares. View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/152365251440214/photos/a.991426537534077.1073741832.152365251440214/991426647534066/?type=3theater Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
Pashupatinath is not constructed to Vastu, just look on google earth and you can see the orientation was totally random.
[FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
How much would you be willing to wager? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I bet it was the Shiva CERN thing again. Researchers Think Axial Seamount is Erupting – Right on Schedule | NOAA Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory (PMEL) http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/news-story/researchers-think-axial-seamount-erupting-%E2%80%93-right-schedule Researchers Think Axial Seamount is Erupting – Right on Schedule | NOAA Pacific Marine Enviro... http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/news-story/researchers-think-axial-seamount-erupting-%E2%80%93-right-schedule PMEL and Oregon State University(OSU)/CIMRS scientist Bill Chadwick and Scott Nooner at the University of North Carolina Wilmington (UNCW) have successfully forecast the latest eruption of Axial Seamount, an active submarine volcano located about 300 miles off the coast of Or... View on www.pmel.noaa.gov http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/news-story/researchers-think-axial-seamount-erupting-%E2%80%93-right-schedule Preview by Yahoo
