[FairfieldLife] Re: Charles Lutes at Bedtime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: I've been listening to Charles Lutes every night, all his recorded lectures and answers to questions. After a few weeks of listening, I'm getting the impression that he was a legitimately powerful soul. Charlie was, in my view, an institution. I had the good fortune to have known him personally for over 20 years and I felt a tremendous empty gap when he passed away. In the later years before he got sick I began to recognize that he was literally his 'own' being and commanded a powerful yet sublime energy presence. He didn't look outside of himself for anything. As you've likely noticed in his lectures, whatever the question or topic, he always focused it in terms of encouraging the meditaters in their practice of Transcendental Meditation. You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites. ~~ Charlie Lutes Revealing exchange between Charlie Lutes and Maharishi [according to Charlie] Charlie said, Why don't you tell them that if they meditate for God they will evolve faster? Oh Charlie, we not have to tell them everything!, laughed Maharishi. Without being disrespectful, could you be kind enough to describe that period of time when Lutes had become ill? Did you ever see him during this period? The reason I ask this, is because I was really in awe of his strengh and solid personality. I was really shocked and disheartened to find out that he had contracted dementia. How did he handle himself in the midst of this disease? How did he make that transformation from being a dynamic personality into one as we see characterized by those who suffer from dementia? IOW, I'm trying to understand that transformation by a man of personal strengh, supposedly enlightened into a new and seemingly weaker state, yet still enlightened. I lost phone contact with Charlie when, in the mid 1990's, I temporarily moved to San Diego and found out he had moved to Scottsdale, AZ. I had been informed that he was ill and that it would be in his best interests to not disturb him and to leave him to the care of those with him. Apparently he wished it that way, although he never told me that himself. In any case I respected the request fully trusting that he was in the best of care. Regretfully, for that reason, I'm at a loss to answer your question. He passed away in 2001. The one who has come, has to go. Nobody can stay here. Every moment keep your luggage packed. Nobody knows when death will call. The warrant of death is like the arrest warrant. One cannot think of appealing against it. Quickly one should leave off everything and leave. Whatever is, wherever is, we have to leave and go. So, if you are ready before, there will be not much of a difficulty, while leaving. The one who is always ready to leave, will never be able to sin. Only by forgetting the other world, one becomes immoral and licentious. If a man remembers at every moment, that one day or the other all will have to leave this world, then he will never be able to bring in untruth and inappropriate conduct into his life. ~~ Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charles Lutes at Bedtime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been listening to Charles Lutes every night, all his recorded lectures and answers to questions. After a few weeks of listening, I'm getting the impression that he was a legitimately powerful soul. Charlie was, in my view, an institution. I had the good fortune to have known him personally for over 20 years and I felt a tremendous empty gap when he passed away. In the later years before he got sick I began to recognize that he was literally his 'own' being and commanded a powerful yet sublime energy presence. He didn't look outside of himself for anything. As you've likely noticed in his lectures, whatever the question or topic, he always focused it in terms of encouraging the meditaters in their practice of Transcendental Meditation. You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites. ~~ Charlie Lutes Revealing exchange between Charlie Lutes and Maharishi [according to Charlie] Charlie said, Why don't you tell them that if they meditate for God they will evolve faster? Oh Charlie, we not have to tell them everything!, laughed Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charles Lutes at Bedtime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: I've been listening to Charles Lutes every night, all his recorded lectures and answers to questions. After a few weeks of listening, I'm getting the impression that he was a legitimately powerful soul. Charlie was, in my view, an institution. I had the good fortune to have known him personally for over 20 years and I felt a tremendous empty gap when he passed away. In the later years before he got sick I began to recognize that he was literally his 'own' being and commanded a powerful yet sublime energy presence. He didn't look outside of himself for anything. As you've likely noticed in his lectures, whatever the question or topic, he always focused it in terms of encouraging the meditaters in their practice of Transcendental Meditation. You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites. ~~ Charlie Lutes Revealing exchange between Charlie Lutes and Maharishi [according to Charlie] Charlie said, Why don't you tell them that if they meditate for God they will evolve faster? Oh Charlie, we not have to tell them everything!, laughed Maharishi. I enjoyed your homage to Charlie Lutes, but my admittedly my appreciation for Charlie is limited to the role he played in recognizing MMY's potential and providing navigation advice to MMY as MMY met Western culture and practices. I heard a lecture of Charlie's in the early 80s, and although entertained, I was surprised by the audience's degree of acceptance of Charlie's detailed and vivid view of how it really all is at another level of existence. I sometimes wonder if Charlie, after his estrangement from the TM movement, elasticized his own beliefs, and promoted them among adherents who needed outlandish explanations of spirituality, to remain somewhat relevant. I think I would have appreciated Charlie more, had he been less willing to add some sizzle to spiritual stories.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charles Lutes at Bedtime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: I've been listening to Charles Lutes every night, all his recorded lectures and answers to questions. After a few weeks of listening, I'm getting the impression that he was a legitimately powerful soul. Charlie was, in my view, an institution. I had the good fortune to have known him personally for over 20 years and I felt a tremendous empty gap when he passed away. In the later years before he got sick I began to recognize that he was literally his 'own' being and commanded a powerful yet sublime energy presence. He didn't look outside of himself for anything. As you've likely noticed in his lectures, whatever the question or topic, he always focused it in terms of encouraging the meditaters in their practice of Transcendental Meditation. You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites. ~~ Charlie Lutes Revealing exchange between Charlie Lutes and Maharishi [according to Charlie] Charlie said, Why don't you tell them that if they meditate for God they will evolve faster? Oh Charlie, we not have to tell them everything!, laughed Maharishi. I enjoyed your homage to Charlie Lutes, but admittedly my appreciation for Charlie is limited to the role he played in recognizing MMY's potential and providing navigation advice to MMY as MMY met Western culture and practices. I heard a lecture of Charlie's in the early 80s, and although entertained, I was surprised by the audience's degree of acceptance of Charlie's detailed and vivid view of how it really all is at another level of existence. I sometimes wonder if Charlie, after his estrangement from the TM movement, elasticized his own beliefs, and promoted them among adherents who needed outlandish explanations of spirituality, to remain somewhat relevant. I think I would have appreciated Charlie more, had he been less willing to add some sizzle to spiritual stories.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charles Lutes at Bedtime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I enjoyed your homage to Charlie Lutes, but my admittedly my appreciation for Charlie is limited to the role he played in recognizing MMY's potential and providing navigation advice to MMY as MMY met Western culture and practices. I heard a lecture of Charlie's in the early 80s, and although entertained, I was surprised by the audience's degree of acceptance of Charlie's detailed and vivid view of how it really all is at another level of existence. I sometimes wonder if Charlie, after his estrangement from the TM movement, elasticized his own beliefs, and promoted them among adherents who needed outlandish explanations of spirituality, to remain somewhat relevant. I think I would have appreciated Charlie more, had he been less willing to add some sizzle to spiritual stories. Well said. That's it exactly. Despite some of my stories here of how things turned out between Charlie Lutes and myself, I really kinda liked the guy. He was enter- taining, in the same Way that Carlos Castaneda (who I also met, and got an aura hit on) was entertaining. But that Way was largely centered on (IMO) pandering to those with an obsession with flash. Charlie would never have appreciated the Zen tales of enlightened beings just appreciating the everyday magic of the everyday. It would have had to be special, man, world-shaking, the most important, consciousness- shifting set of everyday events that every day had ever produced in the history of mankind. And there seemed to be an ever-increasing band of followers of flash. That's one of the main reasons I bailed from the TM movement. When you are surround- ed with people whose main focus in life is what that life will be like when all the flash happens, it's a little distracting from the flash of the everyday. Charlie was an interesting dude, as John says, largely because he clung to his ego and his way of seeing things so *hard*, man. And, to his credit, I don't think he actually tried to sell people on his way of seeing things very hard. He just put them out there, if anyone was interested. My *only* problem with Charlie Lutes, in a TM context, is that he was really, really sloppy. He failed to make the distinction -- in his public talks -- between what he had learned from some esoteric Western-tradition book from the Theosophical Society or the Order of the Golden Dawn or wherever, and what it was that Maharishi had actually said to him. And thus people got confused. People thought that Maharishi was 100% down with the way Charlie saw things. He wasn't. He railed about it privately, but almost never (in my experience) in his face. Instead, he'd *lie* to Charlie about what he knew about the things he was teaching in Maharishi's name, out of (I think) a rare sense of gratitude to Charlie for all he had done in the early days to make Maharishi himself a household name. Charlie was one of the few people I *ever* saw Maharishi display an enduring sense of gratitude towards. Him and a few of the early arrivals on the MMY scene. The others were like lines drawn in water -- the minute they didn't have any value for him in terms of increasing his public image, they were forgotten, toast. Charlie Lutes was -- to me -- an enigma. He was a guy *completely* hung up inside the Western view that know- ledge can be defined in words. And he *was* devoted to Maharishi, for the ways in which he provided a medi- tational context to those empty words. And yet he could be petty, and vindictive, and many other things. Just as Maharishi could be. All in all, I hold zero hard feelings toward Charlie Lutes, even though he seemed to hold hard feelings towards me for years. He was an interesting dude, and he put on great, weird parties on a Friday night in L.A., and the women he attracted there went home with me quite a few times. So what have I got to complain about? He was what he was. I sincerely hope that by now he is on his Way to something even better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Charles Lutes at Bedtime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: I've been listening to Charles Lutes every night, all his recorded lectures and answers to questions. After a few weeks of listening, I'm getting the impression that he was a legitimately powerful soul. Charlie was, in my view, an institution. I had the good fortune to have known him personally for over 20 years and I felt a tremendous empty gap when he passed away. In the later years before he got sick I began to recognize that he was literally his 'own' being and commanded a powerful yet sublime energy presence. He didn't look outside of himself for anything. As you've likely noticed in his lectures, whatever the question or topic, he always focused it in terms of encouraging the meditaters in their practice of Transcendental Meditation. You have taken on the human form to gain Divine Mind through knowledge and experience in the field of combined opposites. ~~ Charlie Lutes Revealing exchange between Charlie Lutes and Maharishi [according to Charlie] Charlie said, Why don't you tell them that if they meditate for God they will evolve faster? Oh Charlie, we not have to tell them everything!, laughed Maharishi. Without being disrespectful, could you be kind enough to describe that period of time when Lutes had become ill? Did you ever see him during this period? The reason I ask this, is because I was really in awe of his strengh and solid personality. I was really shocked and disheartened to find out that he had contracted dementia. How did he handle himself in the midst of this disease? How did he make that transformation from being a dynamic personality into one as we see characterized by those who suffer from dementia? IOW, I'm trying to understand that transformation by a man of personal strengh, supposedly enlightened into a new and seemingly weaker state, yet still enlightened.
