[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
s3raphita sez: When I first watched Mulholland Drive I enjoyed the whole surreal, glossy surface but couldn't make head or tail of what the movie was about (ditto Lost Highway, etc. ). Have you considered the possibility that Lynch's films aren't really about ANYTHING? Certainly a number of critics (many of them French, who otherwise tend to adore Lynch because they have a tendency to adore *anything* pretentious that they can't understand) have considered this and discussed it. I agree with them. I don't think Lynch *does* have anything he's trying to say in his movies. I think he's just filming dream images (in his case nightmare images) that *he* doesn't understand, either. In other words, I think Lynch's films exemplify the same solipsism and narcissism that we see in so many other long-term TMers. If it's happening in my head, it must be important and meaningful.
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
I'll have to ask him - also as to place - I think it was in Iowa City but it may have been elsewhere - my friend was a real Charlie Lutes fan, he liked all the esoteric stuff Charlie yapped about, he also was real curious about Robin, but after he attended a meeting he got grilled by the MIU bruisers and steered clear - I think it was a surprise that RC showed up at Charlie's lecture - but I'll find out. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 12:20 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I forgot to mention my buddy was at a Charlie Lutes lecture, in Iowa City I think when Robin C and his supporters came in to sort of get in Lute's face - he said it was a surreal experience - I have encouraged him to write about it but he hasn't gotten around to it yet. I never heard about that one. What year was that? I wouldn't have been involved yet because I would have remembered it. I missed nothing between Jan. 1983 and August 1986. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch When I first watched Mulholland Drive I enjoyed the whole surreal, glossy surface but couldn't make head or tail of what the movie was about (ditto Lost Highway, etc. ). It was after the film came out that Lynch first revealed to the world that he was a regular practitioner of TM. And when I say regular, I mean he claims never to have missed a single session since he learned the technique back in the early 1970s. That sounds scarily obsessive to me. I mean, never to miss one, single, solitary session over a period of forty years! How can you be so completely in control of what's happening in your life to achieve that 100 per cent score? (Do we know if Lynch ever took the sidhi supplement?) Anyway, when I heard about Lynch's involvement in TM I immediately rented the DVD of Mulholland Drive to take a second look. Was the film an esoteric, symbolist art work on the importance of contacting the source of creative intelligence? I was wondering if I now had the key to unlock its arcane secrets? No - I didn't! I actually found myself *more* bemused by the film than I did on that first viewing. It's still a great movie of course: turn off your mind, relax and float downstream . . . and just enjoy the experience. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Oh so funny, so funny - I just got off the phone with an old friend who was at MIU as staff and student for a number of years - he was a big Charlie Lutes fan and also saw Robin C a few times - he told me he was at MIU when Blue Velvet came out, the honchos at the Capital of the A of E there in Fairfield told everyone not to see the movie, but Charlie said in some lectures my friend went to that he (Charlie) saw it twice to try to figure it out. My buddy also thinks he saw the influence of Charlie Lutes in some of the aspects of Twin Peaks - such as secret societies and so forth. I thought it was funny.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
Now this is funny - a guy obsessed with the comings and goings of his 'Marshy', thirty or more years after he got kicked off the program; a guy that posts messages to a spiritual discussion group on Yahoo about his guru, who he never met. A guy that makes claims to being the guru's baker on staff at a religious school; a guy that took zero courses at the university in over two years; talking about Robin Carlsen and Charles Lutes, both of whom he never met; in a message about a film maker whose works he doesn't even understand. This is a classic! When I need some spiritual help, or a film review, this is the guy I'll be consulting, fer sure. LoL! On 10/4/2013 7:13 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I'll have to ask him - also as to place - I think it was in Iowa City but it may have been elsewhere - my friend was a real Charlie Lutes fan, he liked all the esoteric stuff Charlie yapped about, he also was real curious about Robin, but after he attended a meeting he got grilled by the MIU bruisers and steered clear - I think it was a surprise that RC showed up at Charlie's lecture - but I'll find out. *From:* awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 4, 2013 12:20 AM *Subject:* RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I forgot to mention my buddy was at a Charlie Lutes lecture, in Iowa City I think when Robin C and his supporters came in to sort of get in Lute's face - he said it was a surreal experience - I have encouraged him to write about it but he hasn't gotten around to it yet. I never heard about that one. What year was that? I wouldn't have been involved yet because I would have remembered it. I missed nothing between Jan. 1983 and August 1986. *From:* s3raphita@... s3raphita@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:10 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch When I first watched Mulholland Drive I enjoyed the whole surreal, glossy surface but couldn't make head or tail of what the movie was about (ditto Lost Highway, etc. ). It was after the film came out that Lynch first revealed to the world that he was a regular practitioner of TM. And when I say regular, I mean he claims never to have missed a single session since he learned the technique back in the early 1970s. That sounds scarily obsessive to me. I mean, never to miss one, single, solitary session over a period of forty years! How can you be so completely in control of what's happening in your life to achieve that 100 per cent score? (Do we know if Lynch ever took the sidhi supplement?) Anyway, when I heard about Lynch's involvement in TM I immediately rented the DVD of Mulholland Drive to take a second look. Was the film an esoteric, symbolist art work on theimportance of contacting the source of creative intelligence? I was wondering if I now had the key to unlock its arcane secrets? No - I didn't! I actually found myself *more* bemused by the film than I did on that first viewing. It's still a great movie of course: turn off your mind, relax and float downstream . . . and just enjoy the experience. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Oh so funny, so funny - I just got off the phone with an old friend who was at MIU as staff and student for a number of years - he was a big Charlie Lutes fan and also saw Robin C a few times - he told me he was at MIU when Blue Velvet came out, the honchos at the Capital of the A of E there in Fairfield told everyone not to see the movie, but Charlie said in some lectures my friend went to that he (Charlie) saw it twice to try to figure it out. My buddy also thinks he saw the influence of Charlie Lutes in some of the aspects of Twin Peaks - such as secret societies and so forth. I thought it was funny.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
it is a classic from an idiot (meaning you) by your standards no one can say anything unless they have met whatever it is, thus no one can talk about the moon, since most of us on earth have never been there, we can't talk about ancient Rome since we weren't there and so on. I really didn't know what kinds of experiences I would have when I joined FFL - I certainly didn't know I would get to communicate the crazy people (again, that's you) From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch Now this is funny - a guy obsessed with the comings and goings of his 'Marshy', thirty or more years after he got kicked off the program; a guy that posts messages to a spiritual discussion group on Yahoo about his guru, who he never met. A guy that makes claims to being the guru's baker on staff at a religious school; a guy that took zero courses at the university in over two years; talking about Robin Carlsen and Charles Lutes, both of whom he never met; in a message about a film maker whose works he doesn't even understand. This is a classic! When I need some spiritual help, or a film review, this is the guy I'll be consulting, fer sure. LoL! On 10/4/2013 7:13 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I'll have to ask him - also as to place - I think it was in Iowa City but it may have been elsewhere - my friend was a real Charlie Lutes fan, he liked all the esoteric stuff Charlie yapped about, he also was real curious about Robin, but after he attended a meeting he got grilled by the MIU bruisers and steered clear - I think it was a surprise that RC showed up at Charlie's lecture - but I'll find out. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 12:20 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I forgot to mention my buddy was at a Charlie Lutes lecture, in Iowa City I think when Robin C and his supporters came in to sort of get in Lute's face - he said it was a surreal experience - I have encouraged him to write about it but he hasn't gotten around to it yet. I never heard about that one. What year was that? I wouldn't have been involved yet because I would have remembered it. I missed nothing between Jan. 1983 and August 1986. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch When I first watched Mulholland Drive I enjoyed the whole surreal, glossy surface but couldn't make head or tail of what the movie was about (ditto Lost Highway, etc. ). It was after the film came out that Lynch first revealed to the world that he was a regular practitioner of TM. And when I say regular, I mean he claims never to have missed a single session since he learned the technique back in the early 1970s. That sounds scarily obsessive to me. I mean, never to miss one, single, solitary session over a period of forty years! How can you be so completely in control of what's happening in your life to achieve that 100 per cent score? (Do we know if Lynch ever took the sidhi supplement?) Anyway, when I heard about Lynch's involvement in TM I immediately rented the DVD of Mulholland Drive to take a second look. Was the film an esoteric, symbolist art work on the importance of contacting the source of creative intelligence? I was wondering if I now had the key to unlock its arcane secrets? No - I didn't! I actually found myself *more* bemused by the film than I did on that first viewing. It's still a great movie of course: turn off your mind, relax and float downstream . . . and just enjoy the experience. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Oh so funny, so funny - I just got off the phone with an old friend who was at MIU as staff and student for a number of years - he was a big Charlie Lutes fan and also saw Robin C a few times - he told me he was at MIU when Blue Velvet came out, the honchos at the Capital of the A of E there in Fairfield told everyone not to see the movie, but Charlie said in some lectures my friend went to that he (Charlie) saw it twice to try to figure it out. My buddy also thinks he saw the influence of Charlie Lutes in some of the aspects of Twin Peaks - such as secret societies and so forth. I thought it was funny.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
LOL, Richard, you do have a way of summing up that tickles my funny bone. From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch Now this is funny - a guy obsessed with the comings and goings of his 'Marshy', thirty or more years after he got kicked off the program; a guy that posts messages to a spiritual discussion group on Yahoo about his guru, who he never met. A guy that makes claims to being the guru's baker on staff at a religious school; a guy that took zero courses at the university in over two years; talking about Robin Carlsen and Charles Lutes, both of whom he never met; in a message about a film maker whose works he doesn't even understand. This is a classic! When I need some spiritual help, or a film review, this is the guy I'll be consulting, fer sure. LoL! On 10/4/2013 7:13 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I'll have to ask him - also as to place - I think it was in Iowa City but it may have been elsewhere - my friend was a real Charlie Lutes fan, he liked all the esoteric stuff Charlie yapped about, he also was real curious about Robin, but after he attended a meeting he got grilled by the MIU bruisers and steered clear - I think it was a surprise that RC showed up at Charlie's lecture - but I'll find out. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 12:20 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I forgot to mention my buddy was at a Charlie Lutes lecture, in Iowa City I think when Robin C and his supporters came in to sort of get in Lute's face - he said it was a surreal experience - I have encouraged him to write about it but he hasn't gotten around to it yet. I never heard about that one. What year was that? I wouldn't have been involved yet because I would have remembered it. I missed nothing between Jan. 1983 and August 1986. From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch When I first watched Mulholland Drive I enjoyed the whole surreal, glossy surface but couldn't make head or tail of what the movie was about (ditto Lost Highway, etc. ). It was after the film came out that Lynch first revealed to the world that he was a regular practitioner of TM. And when I say regular, I mean he claims never to have missed a single session since he learned the technique back in the early 1970s. That sounds scarily obsessive to me. I mean, never to miss one, single, solitary session over a period of forty years! How can you be so completely in control of what's happening in your life to achieve that 100 per cent score? (Do we know if Lynch ever took the sidhi supplement?) Anyway, when I heard about Lynch's involvement in TM I immediately rented the DVD of Mulholland Drive to take a second look. Was the film an esoteric, symbolist art work on the importance of contacting the source of creative intelligence? I was wondering if I now had the key to unlock its arcane secrets? No - I didn't! I actually found myself *more* bemused by the film than I did on that first viewing. It's still a great movie of course: turn off your mind, relax and float downstream . . . and just enjoy the experience. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Oh so funny, so funny - I just got off the phone with an old friend who was at MIU as staff and student for a number of years - he was a big Charlie Lutes fan and also saw Robin C a few times - he told me he was at MIU when Blue Velvet came out, the honchos at the Capital of the A of E there in Fairfield told everyone not to see the movie, but Charlie said in some lectures my friend went to that he (Charlie) saw it twice to try to figure it out. My buddy also thinks he saw the influence of Charlie Lutes in some of the aspects of Twin Peaks - such as secret societies and so forth. I thought it was funny.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
Seraphita, The Straight Story is IMO wonderful and atypical Lynch. Elephant Man I found very moving and more typical of his work I think. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch Re Have you considered the possibility that Lynch's films aren't really about ANYTHING?: Indeed, I've been driven to the same conclusion. The first time I saw Lost Highway I was quite taken by its shifting moods and flashy exterior; the second (and last) time I just thought that Lynch was taking the piss and found it pretty tiresome. If you're going to construct a movie that mimics a detective story but then can't tie up all the loose ends it's just a glorified shaggy dog story. I still like Mulholland Drive though and I really enjoyed Inland Empire. The last one I saw on DVD and split the viewing over two evenings. I'd hate to have had to sit through 180 minutes at a cinema. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: s3raphita sez: When I first watched Mulholland Drive I enjoyed the whole surreal, glossy surface but couldn't make head or tail of what the movie was about (ditto Lost Highway, etc. ). Have you considered the possibility that Lynch's films aren't really about ANYTHING? Certainly a number of critics (many of them French, who otherwise tend to adore Lynch because they have a tendency to adore *anything* pretentious that they can't understand) have considered this and discussed it. I agree with them. I don't think Lynch *does* have anything he's trying to say in his movies. I think he's just filming dream images (in his case nightmare images) that *he* doesn't understand, either. In other words, I think Lynch's films exemplify the same solipsism and narcissism that we see in so many other long-term TMers. If it's happening in my head, it must be important and meaningful.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
Sorry, forgot to post the url for rotten tomatoes on The Straight Story. Senior moment (-: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/straight_story/ From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch Re Have you considered the possibility that Lynch's films aren't really about ANYTHING?: Indeed, I've been driven to the same conclusion. The first time I saw Lost Highway I was quite taken by its shifting moods and flashy exterior; the second (and last) time I just thought that Lynch was taking the piss and found it pretty tiresome. If you're going to construct a movie that mimics a detective story but then can't tie up all the loose ends it's just a glorified shaggy dog story. I still like Mulholland Drive though and I really enjoyed Inland Empire. The last one I saw on DVD and split the viewing over two evenings. I'd hate to have had to sit through 180 minutes at a cinema. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: s3raphita sez: When I first watched Mulholland Drive I enjoyed the whole surreal, glossy surface but couldn't make head or tail of what the movie was about (ditto Lost Highway, etc. ). Have you considered the possibility that Lynch's films aren't really about ANYTHING? Certainly a number of critics (many of them French, who otherwise tend to adore Lynch because they have a tendency to adore *anything* pretentious that they can't understand) have considered this and discussed it. I agree with them. I don't think Lynch *does* have anything he's trying to say in his movies. I think he's just filming dream images (in his case nightmare images) that *he* doesn't understand, either. In other words, I think Lynch's films exemplify the same solipsism and narcissism that we see in so many other long-term TMers. If it's happening in my head, it must be important and meaningful.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
I forgot to mention my buddy was at a Charlie Lutes lecture, in Iowa City I think when Robin C and his supporters came in to sort of get in Lute's face - he said it was a surreal experience - I have encouraged him to write about it but he hasn't gotten around to it yet. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch When I first watched Mulholland Drive I enjoyed the whole surreal, glossy surface but couldn't make head or tail of what the movie was about (ditto Lost Highway, etc. ). It was after the film came out that Lynch first revealed to the world that he was a regular practitioner of TM. And when I say regular, I mean he claims never to have missed a single session since he learned the technique back in the early 1970s. That sounds scarily obsessive to me. I mean, never to miss one, single, solitary session over a period of forty years! How can you be so completely in control of what's happening in your life to achieve that 100 per cent score? (Do we know if Lynch ever took the sidhi supplement?) Anyway, when I heard about Lynch's involvement in TM I immediately rented the DVD of Mulholland Drive to take a second look. Was the film an esoteric, symbolist art work on the importance of contacting the source of creative intelligence? I was wondering if I now had the key to unlock its arcane secrets? No - I didn't! I actually found myself *more* bemused by the film than I did on that first viewing. It's still a great movie of course: turn off your mind, relax and float downstream . . . and just enjoy the experience. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Oh so funny, so funny - I just got off the phone with an old friend who was at MIU as staff and student for a number of years - he was a big Charlie Lutes fan and also saw Robin C a few times - he told me he was at MIU when Blue Velvet came out, the honchos at the Capital of the A of E there in Fairfield told everyone not to see the movie, but Charlie said in some lectures my friend went to that he (Charlie) saw it twice to try to figure it out. My buddy also thinks he saw the influence of Charlie Lutes in some of the aspects of Twin Peaks - such as secret societies and so forth. I thought it was funny.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Charlie Lutes and David Lynch
Mulholland Drive was intended to be a TV pilot. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166924/ I knew that Lynch practiced TM back in the 1970s from his buddy at art school who was on my Sidhis course. He was also known to shut down production on Twin Peaks to meditate so a lot of people back then knew he was into TM. On 10/03/2013 07:10 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: When I first watched Mulholland Drive I enjoyed the whole surreal, glossy surface but couldn't make head or tail of what the movie was about (ditto Lost Highway, etc. ). It was after the film came out that Lynch first revealed to the world that he was a regular practitioner of TM. And when I say regular, I mean he claims never to have missed a single session since he learned the technique back in the early 1970s. That sounds scarily obsessive to me. I mean, never to miss one, single, solitary session over a period of forty years! How can you be so completely in control of what's happening in your life to achieve that 100 per cent score? (Do we know if Lynch ever took the sidhi supplement?) Anyway, when I heard about Lynch's involvement in TM I immediately rented the DVD of Mulholland Drive to take a second look. Was the film an esoteric, symbolist art work on theimportance of contacting the source of creative intelligence? I was wondering if I now had the key to unlock its arcane secrets? No - I didn't! I actually found myself *more* bemused by the film than I did on that first viewing. It's still a great movie of course: turn off your mind, relax and float downstream . . . and just enjoy the experience. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Oh so funny, so funny - I just got off the phone with an old friend who was at MIU as staff and student for a number of years - he was a big Charlie Lutes fan and also saw Robin C a few times - he told me he was at MIU when Blue Velvet came out, the honchos at the Capital of the A of E there in Fairfield told everyone not to see the movie, but Charlie said in some lectures my friend went to that he (Charlie) saw it twice to try to figure it out. My buddy also thinks he saw the influence of Charlie Lutes in some of the aspects of Twin Peaks - such as secret societies and so forth. I thought it was funny.
