Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From an ex-member of the Kalki cult
on 11/12/05 2:20 AM, Brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> feste37 wrote: >> >> Actually, the people in Fairfield who give deeksha >> don't charge for it. It's free for anyone who wants it, >> although you can leave a donation if you want. There is >> no pressure on anyone to give or to recruit. > > i am curious how big of a following there is in fairfield > now, taking this "deeksha" ... just a handful, or is it > a growing trend now that TMO is faltering? Do they have > their own Center in fairfield, for this Kalki deeksha thing? > Or a website? Nathan and Marie Zenack have been to India and are authorized to give Diksha and do so regularly. Don't know how many participate. Also the Chalanda Ma (Sai Ma) folks give Diksha. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From an ex-member of the Kalki cult
> feste37 wrote: > > Actually, the people in Fairfield who give deeksha > don't charge for it. It's free for anyone who wants it, > although you can leave a donation if you want. There is > no pressure on anyone to give or to recruit. i am curious how big of a following there is in fairfield now, taking this "deeksha" ... just a handful, or is it a growing trend now that TMO is faltering? Do they have their own Center in fairfield, for this Kalki deeksha thing? Or a website? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From an ex-member of the Kalki cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:06 AM, akasha_108 wrote: > > > This post (may) put the recent steve klayman post in perspective. > > It would be interesting to hear his reaction to this new 'scam" post. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/78765 > > What was the tip off to me was their constant use of the word > "deeksha", like it was some sort of "product" *you just had to have*. > All this ranting about "deeksha". All it means is "initiation"but > it as if this initiation will do it all for you. Very passive. Give $$ > $, receive enlightenment. Don't worry, we'll tell you when can stop > coming. > > People will fall for anything. > Yep. Reminds me of something I heard once about instant enlightenment being just that- it lasts for an instant! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From an ex-member of the Kalki cult
The only real way to evaluate this teaching/technique/guru/whatever would be to devote yourself to it for at least several years and see what happens. --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:06 AM, akasha_108 wrote: > > > This post (may) put the recent steve klayman post > in perspective. > > It would be interesting to hear his reaction to > this new 'scam" post. > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/78765 > > What was the tip off to me was their constant use of > the word > "deeksha", like it was some sort of "product" *you > just had to have*. > All this ranting about "deeksha". All it means is > "initiation"but > it as if this initiation will do it all for you. > Very passive. Give $$ > $, receive enlightenment. Don't worry, we'll tell > you when can stop > coming. > > People will fall for anything. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From an ex-member of the Kalki cult
Actually, the people in Fairfield who give deeksha don't charge for it. It's free for anyone who wants it, although you can leave a donation if you want. There is no pressure on anyone to give or to recruit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:06 AM, akasha_108 wrote: > > > This post (may) put the recent steve klayman post in perspective. > > It would be interesting to hear his reaction to this new 'scam" post. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/78765 > > What was the tip off to me was their constant use of the word > "deeksha", like it was some sort of "product" *you just had to have*. > All this ranting about "deeksha". All it means is "initiation"but > it as if this initiation will do it all for you. Very passive. Give $$ > $, receive enlightenment. Don't worry, we'll tell you when can stop > coming. > > People will fall for anything. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From an ex-member of the Kalki cult
On Nov 11, 2005, at 12:06 AM, akasha_108 wrote: > This post (may) put the recent steve klayman post in perspective. > It would be interesting to hear his reaction to this new 'scam" post. > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/78765 What was the tip off to me was their constant use of the word "deeksha", like it was some sort of "product" *you just had to have*. All this ranting about "deeksha". All it means is "initiation"but it as if this initiation will do it all for you. Very passive. Give $$ $, receive enlightenment. Don't worry, we'll tell you when can stop coming. People will fall for anything. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: From an ex-member of the Kalki cult
This post (may) put the recent steve klayman post in perspective. It would be interesting to hear his reaction to this new 'scam" post. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/78765 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought there was something a little stinky about > these guys. Their pics have a certain type of darshan, > but all this emphasis on celestial experiences is a > little unusual. > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > (This was from a private letter that was posted on a > > website, with personal > > details omitted): > > > > I have been associated with the cult of Sri Kalki > > Bhagavan (and his wife > > Padmavathi Amma), who positions himself as the > > Vishnu Avatar, and a God - > > although in recent years he has made his claims a > > little indirect, perhaps > > due to media criticism, and fear of ridicule. > > > > I have served this cult for 2 year, attended their > > Deekshas, and done a lot > > of promotion for them. I would like to bring to your > > notice that this cult > > is pressurizing its INDIAN devotees to donate large > > sums of wealth, if they > > want to remain in the good books of the disciples > > (dasas) who run the show, > > and progress further. We have even been asked to > > take loans (the last case > > was Rs 100,000 which is a large amount), and donate, > > if we don't have the > > money. We have been told that we can repay the loans > > over a few years! > > > > From the day we join we are pressurized to bring in > > new people and send them > > for the initial 3-day deeksha (costing Rs 5000). > > This is because to qualify > > for the higher level we must send 60 (now 30) people > > for the program. First > > we are told that the 3-day program will enlighten us > > (for only Rs 5000!), > > then we are told - sorry the higher process will > > enlighten you. So we have > > no option but to talk others (family, friends etc) > > into joining and going > > for the 3-day program. > > > > Once we have sent so many people, and we find no > > change in us, it is very > > difficult to step out. I have still not told my > > family that I have left, for > > loss of face. In order to convince 60 people to go, > > we have to exaggerate > > and make tall claims. We have to create a miracle > > out of each little > > incident that happened to us (such as getting a > > green light on the way to > > work) etc. We have to keep talking of unending > > grace, and say things like > > "our whole life has changed". We are all basically > > sincere people, but we > > start telling lies without realizing it, and a time > > comes when we are stuck. > > > > New people are lured in by promises of unending > > "grace", and then after we > > tell them lots of stories (most of them are just > > heard from others, no one > > has any evidence of them actually happening.), then > > the disciples ask them > > to make donations, or go for paid darshans in order > > to get that "unending > > grace". These darshans are expensive and the latest > > one is that we can touch > > Amma's feet for Rs 100,000. Prior to going for the > > higher process we were > > all told that in order for the higher process to be > > a great success we > > should make this donation. Many of us are very > > ordinary people, some have > > left our jobs to pursue a spiritual goal, so the > > amount is no small order. > > > > Even the higher process(two weeks) has made no > > difference to anyone. > > Although it does seem to us, that the program for > > foreigners (21 days, USD > > 5500) has resulted in some enlightened people (such > > as Freddie Nielsen and > > Kiara Windrider - we have heard they are > > enlightened), however in India > > there is not even an attempt at spiritual growth of > > devotees. It is only > > talk of great "celestial" miracles, and > > enlightenment is always round the > > next corner, after the next darshan (donation). > > > > Because of all the stories we perpetuate, the number > > of devotees has really > > gone up dramatically, each wondering when his turn > > for endless grace will > > come. They claim over 30 million devotees, although > > I don't know how this > > figure has been computed. > > > > Sarlo, I write this to you primarily because I am > > concerned that large > > numbers of poor and low-income people in India are > > being fleeced by this > > cult, each hoping that his string of problems will > > magically vanish after a > > darshan or deeksha. When nothing happens their > > suffering increases. > > > > We actually convince ourselves that we are happier > > than even before for a > > while after the deeksha. In that short period we are > > pushed to recruit more > > people and share our great experiences with others. > > > > The experiences we narrate are always the tales we > > were told by the > > disciples about others who got great grace. > > > > Please keep my name under wraps. It is not s
