[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Vajvajradh...@... wrote: On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. Another time he asked her what was her opinion of MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore, since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her opinion is not a very high one. It would be bad for business if Rick went around telling people that Amma admits she's much ado about nothing and Maharishi is the real thing. Bingo !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From an audio recording (No 2) made in Hochgurgelin in 1962 - (Thanks to Jörg Schenk) Question: I have the feeling that the state of restful alertness (during TM) is concentrated in the forehead... Maharishi: Some day in the first week of the course, I think I have said, that the whole brain matter becomes illuminant. Illuminant means nothing remains inactive and nothing remains active. A state of all the experiencing nerves between talamus and cortex, they are neither active nor passive. Just ready to be either active or passive. In that state of pure consciousness, in that glow... Question: Can this state of suspension be prolonged indefinite and if so, what is the effect on the brain cells? Maharishi: Yes, it can be prolonged indefinite. If it is held for very long time, the body will become alkaline. Because, not to decay is the quality of alkaline body. And as long as the individual mind gets to that universal consciousness, the body has to be intact.. In order that it remains intact, it becomes alkaline. If the body is acidic, more of acid in the system, then the oxygen going in becomes carbondioxide. If the body is acidic, more carbondioxide is produced. To throw it out, the exhalations become deeper, heavier. When the exhalations become heavier, inhalations become correspondingly heavier also. So the breath flows heavy when the system is acidic. Opposite to this, when the acidity becomes less then the breath becomes slow. That is why during meditation the breath becomes slow, the body becomes less acidic, more alkaline. This is the reason why the body lasts longer for those who meditate, long life. With meditation the blood chemistry changes, becomes less acidic, more alkaline... ...taking into consideration the slowing of the breath during meditation we conclude without even experimenting and without even testing that the system becomes less acidic... Very interesting, I've never read this before, thanks for posting this Rick ! I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? Why did you have to sit in full Lotus in front of Amma rescently Rick, would not a half-lotus or even just plainly sitting there do ? Did you not simply want show off what you learned during your assosciation with Maharishi ? If so you are a coward; on the one hand you brag about your association with Saints, with the other hand you use the dagger. Just like paul.m.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? I've asked her a bunch of questions over the years. None related to this. Why did you have to sit in full Lotus in front of Amma rescently Rick, would not a half-lotus or even just plainly sitting there do ? I've been sitting in full lotus since I was a child. It's very comfortable for me. I think you're referring to the attached photo, which was posted on Karunamayi website and was taken during a group meditation when she visited Fairfield. Did you not simply want show off what you learned during your assosciation with Maharishi ? Nope. I was sitting in lotus at least 10 years before I met Maharishi (which I did when I was 18). It's just the most comfortable way for me to sit on a hard floor. If so you are a coward; on the one hand you brag about your association with Saints, with the other hand you use the dagger. When did I brag about my association with saints? Dig deeper Nabby. There are explanations for things - sometimes much more innocent ones - other than the ones your accusatory little brain is capable of dredging up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? I've asked her a bunch of questions over the years. None related to this. Any question/answer of particular interest you would like to share ? Why did you have to sit in full Lotus in front of Amma rescently Rick, would not a half-lotus or even just plainly sitting there do ? I've been sitting in full lotus since I was a child. It's very comfortable for me. I think you're referring to the attached photo, which was posted on Karunamayi website and was taken during a group meditation when she visited Fairfield. Did you not simply want show off what you learned during your assosciation with Maharishi ? Nope. I was sitting in lotus at least 10 years before I met Maharishi (which I did when I was 18). It's just the most comfortable way for me to sit on a hard floor. At 8 you sat in full Lotus ? Very good and congratulations ! If so you are a coward; on the one hand you brag about your association with Saints, with the other hand you use the dagger. When did I brag about my association with saints? Dig deeper Nabby. There are explanations for things - sometimes much more innocent ones - other than the ones your accusatory little brain is capable of dredging up. I'm comfy with having an accusatory little brain thank you very much. One day perhaps it also could understand how your activities can be called innocent.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:48 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body Nope. I was sitting in lotus at least 10 years before I met Maharishi (which I did when I was 18). It's just the most comfortable way for me to sit on a hard floor. At 8 you sat in full Lotus ? Very good and congratulations ! I remember playing around with some friends, trying to contort our bodies into various positions, and I discovered lotus. Won a prize at a birthday party once for doing it. I'm comfy with having an accusatory little brain thank you very much. One day perhaps it also could understand how your activities can be called innocent. Here's a hint: I try not to have an agenda. I'm not trying to sell or defend a point of view. My point of view can be more accurately described as a points of view. That's why you'll find me posting very positive things about MMY/TM and then posting other things that might be construed as negative. I don't see them as negative so much as things that appear to have happened. I find it useful to try to accommodate the good, the bad, and the ugly in one brain. In other words, to not argue with reality. If I accept that a negative thing happened, that doesn't make me incapable of accepting the positive things, and vice versa. Besides, negative and positive, right and wrong, are very subjective judgments. Very much determined by cultural conditioning and very hard to ascribe any sort of absolute value to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Here's a hint: I try not to have an agenda. I'm not trying to sell or defend a point of view. My point of view can be more accurately described as a points of view. That's why you'll find me posting very positive things about MMY/TM and then posting other things that might be construed as negative. I don't see them as negative so much as things that appear to have happened. I find it useful to try to accommodate the good, the bad, and the ugly in one brain. In other words, to not argue with reality. If I accept that a negative thing happened, that doesn't make me incapable of accepting the positive things, and vice versa. Besides, negative and positive, right and wrong, are very subjective judgments. Very much determined by cultural conditioning and very hard to ascribe any sort of absolute value to. Well said. And I agree completely with your self-assessment, and with the way I see you present yourself on this forum. What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO, of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily* hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive image and *at the same time* embrace another that is completely comfortable with a more negative image. They were taught that this is not possible, that focusing on negativity was BAD. If one indulges in it, there is only one justifiable punishment -- total and complete banishment. By even *thinking* negatively about Maharishi, one has forfeited the right to hang with those who never have. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was a man. End of story. As such, he did things that were nice, and things that were shitty. Those who try to convince us that he only did the nice things and never did any of the shitty ones are probably going to try to convince us of the same thing about themselves. We are free to laugh at them as they try.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO, of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily* hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive image and *at the same time* embrace another that is completely comfortable with a more negative image. Said, astonishingly, without a *trace* of irony. Again, anyone whose view of MMY is different from Barry's must hold that view because they've been *brainwashed*. Barry is incapable of understanding that there can be more than one legitimate point of view about MMY. The question is, who brainwashed Barry?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:46 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO, of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily* hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive image and *at the same time* embrace another that is completely comfortable with a more negative image. They were taught that this is not possible, that focusing on negativity was BAD. If one indulges in it, there is only one justifiable punishment -- total and complete banishment. By even *thinking* negatively about Maharishi, one has forfeited the right to hang with those who never have. There's a lot of truth in that. I and others got kicked out of the TM movement for beginning to think independently without worrying about the possible consequences. A while after this happened to me, I was chatting on the phone with a fellow who at one time had been my best friend. I was expressing this ambivalent, all possibilities attitude about Maharishi - that there was no need to take all his pronouncements as absolutes, that much of what he said and did may have been expressions of cultural conditioning and personal idiosyncrasies rather than cosmic perspectives. If we had been meeting in person, I'm sure I would have seen the color drain from his face. His voice sounded ashen and he quickly terminated the call. He hasn't returned a phone call or an email since then.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip What the TBs cannot understand -- because, IMO, of their brainwashing -- is that one can *easily* hold one POV on Maharishi that embraces his positive image and *at the same time* embrace another that is completely comfortable with a more negative image. Said, astonishingly, without a *trace* of irony. Again, anyone whose view of MMY is different from Barry's must hold that view because they've been *brainwashed*. Barry is incapable of understanding that there can be more than one legitimate point of view about MMY. The question is, who brainwashed Barry? Barry can make some good points about MMY and the TMO, as he did earlier in the day. But Judy's point shouldn't be lost: who brainwashed Barry? I suggest that Barry is sucseptible to brainwashing and that he was, indeed, brainwashed by...the TMO! I myself have always held the cynical but respectful view of this teaching (I think it's the greatest thing since apple pie but believe the TMO is full of crap) pretty much since I first started getting involved with them. But Barry must have fell for it hook, line, and sinker...or else why does he think the way he does? Of course, there are always going to be the Nabby's of every organisation; you can't help that. But to define MY experience with TM and the TMO by holding up Nabby, Barry, is not only wrong but unfair. Give me some credit for being able to think for myself, please.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: There's a lot of truth in that. I and others got kicked out of the TM movement for beginning to think independently without worrying about the possible consequences. A while after this happened to me, I was chatting on the phone with a fellow who at one time had been my best friend. I was expressing this ambivalent, all possibilities attitude about Maharishi - that there was no need to take all his pronouncements as absolutes, that much of what he said and did may have been expressions of cultural conditioning and personal idiosyncrasies rather than cosmic perspectives. If we had been meeting in person, I'm sure I would have seen the color drain from his face. His voice sounded ashen and he quickly terminated the call. He hasn't returned a phone call or an email since then. I never thought independently that Maharishi was a god or spoke the truth of the gods. It was the initiators, in advanced lectures and on residence courses who told us that Maharishi spoke from the home of all the laws of nature and therefore spoke only the truth, that which is true on every level of creation, as perceived from every state of consciousness. How did it all start, this business that Maharishi could speak only the truth, that which was true at every level, from every vantage point? Was it Maharishi himself who said this and encouraged his belief or was it his BN followers? Art imitates life. I remember the reporter from the Village Voice telling Alfie in Annie Hall that people consider Maharishi God. That millions of people would crawl on their hands and knees across the country merely to be able to touch the hem of his garment. My meditator friends and I laughed and laughed when we saw that scene. While my friends and I were laughing, it appears the hardcore TMers were going off to TTC and Six Month courses to be with He they believed were God. Is that the way it is? Would TM have been better if Maharishi didn't have all of these BN initiators?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of It's just a ride Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body I never thought independently that Maharishi was a god or spoke the truth of the gods. It was the initiators, in advanced lectures and on residence courses who told us that Maharishi spoke from the home of all the laws of nature and therefore spoke only the truth, that which is true on every level of creation, as perceived from every state of consciousness. How did it all start, this business that Maharishi could speak only the truth, that which was true at every level, from every vantage point? Was it Maharishi himself who said this and encouraged his belief or was it his BN followers? Maharishi often spoke of getting in tune with his thinking. The idea, sometimes explicit, sometimes implicit, was that he saw things clearly and that if you differed with him, you weren't seeing things as clearly. In his commentary on the Gita, Maharishi talks about putting aside one's own petty ways of thinking and feeling and attuning ones thoughts and feelings to the enlightened mind of the Master. This has always been an underlying guideline in the TMO. If you didn't buy into East-facing houses, world's tallest buildings, Nader getting his weight in gold, etc., you were out of tune with MMY's thinking. You wouldn't advance far in the organization and your very evolution was in peril. So consequently, TB's buy into all these ideas, in some cases try to concoct a rational explanation for them, but failing that, take them on faith and assume that they will understand them someday when their perspective has become sufficiently cosmic.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Very interesting, I've never read this before, thanks for posting this Rick ! I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. The first one was that gurus who were involved in scandals (money mishandling, sex with students, etc.); none of these gurus were jivan-muktis, that is, enlightened or liberated. Another time he asked her what was her opinion of MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore, since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her opinion is not a very high one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: There's a lot of truth in that. I and others got kicked out of the TM movement for beginning to think independently without worrying about the possible consequences. A while after this happened to me, I was chatting on the phone with a fellow who at one time had been my best friend. I was expressing this ambivalent, all possibilities attitude about Maharishi - that there was no need to take all his pronouncements as absolutes, that much of what he said and did may have been expressions of cultural conditioning and personal idiosyncrasies rather than cosmic perspectives. If we had been meeting in person, I'm sure I would have seen the color drain from his face. His voice sounded ashen and he quickly terminated the call. He hasn't returned a phone call or an email since then. I never thought independently that Maharishi was a god or spoke the truth of the gods. It was the initiators, in advanced lectures and on residence courses who told us that Maharishi spoke from the home of all the laws of nature and therefore spoke only the truth, that which is true on every level of creation, as perceived from every state of consciousness. How did it all start, this business that Maharishi could speak only the truth, that which was true at every level, from every vantage point? Was it Maharishi himself who said this and encouraged his belief or was it his BN followers? Art imitates life. I remember the reporter from the Village Voice telling Alfie in Annie Hall that people consider Maharishi God. That millions of people would crawl on their hands and knees across the country merely to be able to touch the hem of his garment. My meditator friends and I laughed and laughed when we saw that scene. While my friends and I were laughing, it appears the hardcore TMers were going off to TTC and Six Month courses to be with He they believed were God. Is that the way it is? Would TM have been better if Maharishi didn't have all of these BN initiators? Charlie Lutes was the anecdote! :-) He wasn't too popular either. Charlie was always, 'just Charlie' and spoke mostly from his experience. He was a straight shooter, whereas MMY, well, I think he sugar coated the truth a lot. I guess he thought it would be much more palatable to us ignorant Westerners...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Vajvajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. Another time he asked her what was her opinion of MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore, since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her opinion is not a very high one. It would be bad for business if Rick went around telling people that Amma admits she's much ado about nothing and Maharishi is the real thing.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 6:15 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi on meditation and alkaline body On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:28 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Very interesting, I've never read this before, thanks for posting this Rick ! I wonder what Amma would say about these topics, if anything ? Overall, did you ever ask her an interesting question on this level at all ? If so, what what was the question/answer ? I'm not sure if I have this exact, but I can remember two things Rick has commented on that Amma has said, one in general, another more specific. The first one was that gurus who were involved in scandals (money mishandling, sex with students, etc.); none of these gurus were jivan-muktis, that is, enlightened or liberated. Another time he asked her what was her opinion of MMY and she said she would tell him, but he would have to promise to never repeat what she said to anyone else. It may be fair to assume therefore, since she did NOT want it repeated and based on her previous remark, her opinion is not a very high one. I have only asked her questions in public. I have never heard her say anything negative about Maharishi or any other guru. She's very careful not to do so. But she did say to a friend that charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her baby for breast milk - something to that effect.
