[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Buck, it seems to me that the TM generation while still current is past, so I am wondering what you think the characteristics of its spiritual successors will be. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : It seems every generation or two, probably all through human time someone comes and re-expresses the ultimate teaching of transcendence as spirituality in life that way. Like the Unity movement in its time or TM in our time. For some time now it appears that there is a trend of spirituality gradually divorcing itself from its historical religious roots and belief structures. To some extent Maharishi did this, but was not completely sincere in intent, but now that the TM org is ossifying its 'canon', it is no longer free of such fetters and will no longer serve this trend. What form do you think the mythology of transcendence will take in the light of these shifts in understanding? There are trends in science and psychology that would seem to indicate the metaphysical interpretation of human experience will simply be left behind as an historical curiosity.
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Current TM initiations are higher than they have been since the Merv Griffith days. The pprice of TM instruction has been lowered 36% for adults, and down to $360 for ages 10-18, and full-time college students, at least through May 31, 2014. http://www.tm.org/fee http://www.tm.org/fee ADULTS Your course fee includes: Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial payment of $375 $240 (valid through May 31) and 3 additional monthly payments of $375 $240 (Optional: one-time payment of $1500 $960) FULL-TIME STUDENTS Your course fee includes: Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial payment of $187.50 $90 (valid through May 31) and 3 additional monthly payments of $187.50 $90 (Optional: one-time payment of $750 $360) CHILDREN UNDER 18 Your course fee includes: Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial payment of $93.75 $90 (valid through May 31) and 3 additional monthly payments of $93.75 $90 (Optional: one-time payment of $375 $360)
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I have no desire to have a sphere of influence - but gimme the chance to give these new initiates a lecture of my own and we'll see what we will see. A nice look at David Wants to Fly would be a good start. On Fri, 3/21/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 3:14 AM Sphere of influence. Remember that, anyone? That was a Maharishi tenant. And one that I liked I might add. I guess your sphere of influence may feel pretty small on this forum. Not that you don't work hard to expand it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Can I come where you are and give them new initiates a real advanced lecture on what they are in for if they stick with it? I'd be real glad to do it. On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 12:11 PM Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea.Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael,You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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Michael, do you object to people learning TM and simply doing that? Also I think you do want a sphere of influence because you've said you want to get TM out of the schools etc. How is that not wanting a sphere of influence?! On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:10 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: I have no desire to have a sphere of influence - but gimme the chance to give these new initiates a lecture of my own and we'll see what we will see. A nice look at David Wants to Fly would be a good start. On Fri, 3/21/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 3:14 AM Sphere of influence. Remember that, anyone? That was a Maharishi tenant. And one that I liked I might add. I guess your sphere of influence may feel pretty small on this forum. Not that you don't work hard to expand it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Can I come where you are and give them new initiates a real advanced lecture on what they are in for if they stick with it? I'd be real glad to do it. On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 12:11 PM Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea.Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael,You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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Excellent news - Given what infomercials charge for vitamins and a CD, the TM price doesn't seem so out of line. Besides, after boosting it to $2500 a few years ago, anything else is going to look really affordable - excellent marketing. I am glad people are again noticing the benefits of the technique. Can't have enough people doing TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Current TM initiations are higher than they have been since the Merv Griffith days. The pprice of TM instruction has been lowered 36% for adults, and down to $360 for ages 10-18, and full-time college students, at least through May 31, 2014. http://www.tm.org/fee http://www.tm.org/fee ADULTS Your course fee includes: Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial payment of $375 $240 (valid through May 31) and 3 additional monthly payments of $375 $240 (Optional: one-time payment of $1500 $960) FULL-TIME STUDENTS Your course fee includes: Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial payment of $187.50 $90 (valid through May 31) and 3 additional monthly payments of $187.50 $90 (Optional: one-time payment of $750 $360) CHILDREN UNDER 18 Your course fee includes: Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial payment of $93.75 $90 (valid through May 31) and 3 additional monthly payments of $93.75 $90 (Optional: one-time payment of $375 $360)
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Yup, now all they need is a late night huckster doing back end ad spots on cable television saying order now for only $240 (muted voice) and with three additional monthly payments of $240. Call now, operators are standing by. This offer only good for the first 5 callers. Kinda puts the TMO into perspective. TM and the infomercial folks. :-D On 03/21/2014 04:59 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Excellent news - Given what infomercials charge for vitamins and a CD, the TM price doesn't seem so out of line. Besides, after boosting it to $2500 a few years ago, anything else is going to look really affordable - excellent marketing. I am glad people are again noticing the benefits of the technique. Can't have enough people doing TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Current TM initiations are higher than they have been since the Merv Griffith days. The pprice of TM instruction has been lowered 36% for adults, and down to $360 for ages 10-18, and full-time college students, at least through May 31, 2014. http://www.tm.org/fee *ADULTS* *Your course fee includes:* * Personal one-on-one instruction * Lifetime follow-up and support https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html * Lifetime of benefits *Initial payment of $375 $240 (valid through May 31) and 3 additional monthly payments of $375 $240* /(Optional: one-time payment of $1500 $960)/ *FULL-TIME STUDENTS* *Your course fee includes:* * Personal one-on-one instruction * Lifetime follow-up and support https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html * Lifetime of benefits *Initial payment of $187.50 $90 (valid through May 31) and 3 additional monthly payments of $187.50 $90* /(Optional: one-time payment of $750 $360)/ *CHILDREN UNDER 18* *Your course fee includes:* * Personal one-on-one instruction * Lifetime follow-up and support https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html * Lifetime of benefits *Initial payment of $93.75 $90 (valid through May 31) and 3 additional monthly payments of $93.75 $90* /(Optional: one-time payment of $375 $360)/
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Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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That's a TMer for you. Tell a person that you consider them so evil that you'd put them on your personal assassination list, and then sign the post, Kindly. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Spirituality, . ..stems from being initiated into TM MJ, you bet. More experience of the transcendent as the unified field is the basis of spiritual progress and transformation, call that cultivation a transcendent meditation however you want; transcending can go by different names culturally but it in large nature is all the same. These people were glad to have run in to TM as it was taught and started something for themselves then. Now, otherwise it is something else to wonder that you methodically dissuade your friends from meditating and rejoice in that. That you actively work to sink transcendental meditation and consciousness-based education. That is incredibly anti-science and ultimately anti-spiritual. It is shocking and diabolical. I can empathize with Obama now. Were I President Obama securing the nation I'd have you straight-away on the drone list as a dangerous plotting enemy-combatant to civil society. I was going to suggest that may be you could get your own meditation checked for efficacy at transcendence. Kindly, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen. The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL. All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense! Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM Egg, Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life.With Kind Regards,-Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations
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Sorry, I meant to direct these questions to Steve, not Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to the lower number. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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It is interesting how transcending can be taught to and has been taught to in different times. I was harmony singing over the lunch hour yesterday with some other conservative Fairfield meditators here and we sang this old hymn that came from the Shaker spiritual movement where the text is rejoicing in the efficacy of their movement then when they were teaching transcendence as spiritual practice in their system at that time. It seems every generation or two, probably all through human time someone comes and re-expresses the ultimate teaching of transcendence as spirituality in life that way. Like the Unity movement in its time or TM in our time. Sometimes the teaching stays individuated like with Emerson and sometimes it propagates in groups or even in to popular movement. It is all the same based on experience of the absolute. This expression and re-expression in self-referral transcendental spiritual experience of the Unified Field becomes the real story of the progression of all our manifest destiny in American history. Cultivating the transcendence in human experience meditating evidently is very American. Cultivation of the transcendent state is ultimate spirituality and teaching it is revolutionary action in the face of materialism. Subverting people's experience of the transcendent is nothing less than counter-revolutionary, anti-scientific and anti-American spiritual ignorance, -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort of like we practice the TM-Sidhis? Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life. With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These
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For outsiders looking in, 7thRay is entirely correct in comment here. Yep, TM is come under a much more empathetic and effective leadership now in John Hagelin and the people he draws around him. Still a fight in the middle about things with strict preservationists over policy and what is 'the purity of the teaching'. But the Hagelin-ites are moving forward with a trench and street-fighting of the TM-taliban side of the movement. TM in America under Hagelin is teaching about 2,000 a month now and that is growing consistently month by month and has been under Hagelin's practical and science-based guidance and supervision for quite a while. .. . “All we are saying is give Peace a chance”. Simple TM web presence is methodical, secular and effective now, http://wwv.tm.org/ http://wwv.tm.org/ http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ TM is working again as a meditator movement. The pundit program though it seems is a large program is that of a few hardcore people in TM. It will be extremely noteworthy to see what they do with the Hindu chanting and pundit program as the secular TM program is actually carrying the movement. At what point do they cut bait and fish setting lines without pundits .. . The next few e-mails coming out of the President's [Bevan's] office and from John Hagelin will be very important ones showing direction. From the outside looking in it is a lot like Kremlin-watching of what goes on inside a very small community with an old history that are our leadership. -Buck 7thRay writes: I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to the lower number. turquoiseb writes: Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. : Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this. .
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Can I come where you are and give them new initiates a real advanced lecture on what they are in for if they stick with it? I'd be real glad to do it. On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 12:11 PM Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea.Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael,You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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turq, I saw that post to Steve so it must have made it to email. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:20 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to the lower number. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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Made it to the Web site, too. turq, I saw that post to Steve so it must have made it to email. Go figure! On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:20 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to the lower number. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea. Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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Look MJ, you are talking bad about the old TM movement. We don't have control over what happened then. We are not that now. TM is moving forward transparently, honestly and effectively teaching something from the yogic tradition that is highly useful and relevant in a modern and scientific world. MJ, you and your determined meanness around something so evidently good as transcending meditation are stuck in the past. You are sounding more and more like your old people down there saying you need to lookout for all those poor slaves who can not look out for themselves. We're a movement in process doing fine free of some past constraints. You are stuck in the past. For all kinds of good spiritual and scientific reasons you should get your meditation checked for proper practice, -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa
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Thanks Bucky - I am happy to know that speaking what I feel about the TMO is reactionary and tantamount to being a terrorist but your wanting to have me killed by drone is apparently part of a satvic lifestyle. Saying the TMO is fresh and new is quite patently absurd since they are doing the same old song and dance - the lies and half lies John Revolinski and Bill Goldstein told the faithful at the address concerns about the pundit riot should be evidence enough of that. Plus the fact that the TMO outrageously claims the Marshy Effect, yagya effect, vastu ved and more are all evidence based technologies. Jezz man, come on. I have no problem with you and yours being happy to meditate in group but to believe all the junk the TMO claims is just nonsense. And I am concerned with those who are innocent, who are being exposed to these kinds of lies so they don't have to go through what I and MANY others have gone through. On Thu, 3/20/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 4:19 PM Look MJ, you are talking bad about the old TM movement. We don't have control over what happened then. We are not that now. TM is moving forward transparently, honestly and effectively teaching something from the yogic tradition that is highly useful and relevant in a modern and scientific world. MJ, you and your determined meanness around something so evidently good as transcending meditation are stuck in the past. You are sounding more and more like your old people down there saying you need to lookout for all those poor slaves who can not look out for themselves. We're a movement in process doing fine free of some past constraints. You are stuck in the past. For all kinds of good spiritual and scientific reasons you should get your meditation checked for proper practice, -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
The old Unity movement and their Unity Village in Kansas City as has been a case also with the Transcendental Meditation movement and Fairfield, Iowa evidently were great introductions to spiritual transcendentalism and a unity in the transcendental state by experience of what practical spirituality in life comes of the Unified Field. The Unity movement at its time evidently was that as an introduction at its time like with TM coming along more recently has been. Both Unity and TM providing an experiential critique of materialism in their time. It is interesting how transcending can be taught to and has been taught to in different times. I was harmony singing over the lunch hour yesterday with some other conservative Fairfield meditators here and we sang this old hymn that came from the Shaker spiritual movement where the text is rejoicing in the efficacy of their movement then when they were teaching transcendence as spiritual practice in their system at that time. It seems every generation or two, probably all through human time someone comes and re-expresses the ultimate teaching of transcendence as spirituality in life that way. Like the Unity movement in its time or TM in our time. Sometimes the teaching stays individuated like with Emerson and sometimes it propagates in groups or even in to popular movement. It is all the same based on experience of the absolute. This expression and re-expression in self-referral transcendental spiritual experience of the Unified Field becomes the real story of the progression of all our manifest destiny in American history. Cultivating the transcendence in human experience meditating evidently is very American. Cultivation of the transcendent state is ultimate spirituality and teaching it is revolutionary action in the face of materialism. Subverting people's experience of the transcendent is nothing less than counter-revolutionary, anti-scientific and anti-American spiritual ignorance, -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort of like we practice the TM-Sidhis? Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life. With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM
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Sphere of influence. Remember that, anyone? That was a Maharishi tenant. And one that I liked I might add. I guess your sphere of influence may feel pretty small on this forum. Not that you don't work hard to expand it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Can I come where you are and give them new initiates a real advanced lecture on what they are in for if they stick with it? I'd be real glad to do it. On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 12:11 PM Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason. Yahoo sucketh. From: steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@...; steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat anonymous. But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some time. As far as initiations, we are talking on the order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already been taking place. As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no idea.Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF. The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses. You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Can you expand upon this, Michael? - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting TM? - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s? - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by donations? - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this? Thanks. As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and offered at a fair price. It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City Actually Michael,You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
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The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me..
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These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life. With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work. In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone now. Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio for their community and spirituality. These ministers I interviewed over coffee were front-line with active large communities who were visiting back on a conference at Unity Village sharing their movement's challenge. Within TM we have seen this trend too as our TM elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with Maharishi have pretty much all passed away now with their check-books gone too. There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a few years ago. A lot of the upper-middle-class TM meditators left the TM movement in the 1990's. Likewise, a security person there reflecting on the Unity Village campus spoke in 3rd person about how just 10 years ago Unity V. was still a happening hopping place with a lot of people there and has really since dropped off to not much now in the last five years or so. The challenge the Unity movement see there with these elders-in-transition is that those deeper and sustaining check-books move with these elderly and consequently those deeper check-books move away from supporting their local Unity churches and the larger Unity movement; the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort of like we practice the TM-Sidhis? Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life. With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work. In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone now. Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio for their community and spirituality. These ministers I interviewed over
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life. With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work. In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone now. Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio for their community and spirituality. These ministers I interviewed over coffee were front-line with active large communities who were visiting back on a conference at Unity Village sharing their movement's challenge. Within TM we have seen this trend too as our TM elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with Maharishi have pretty much all passed away now with their check-books gone too. There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a few years ago. A lot of the upper-middle-class TM meditators left the TM movement in the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen. The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL. All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense! On Wed, 3/19/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life.With Kind Regards,-Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
On 3/19/2014 9:59 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL. So, it wasn't the TM practice that didn't work for your friend, but your information convinced your friend that it didn't work? Is your friend at all able to think for himself, I wonder. I've been practicing basic TM since 1965, and it always works for me, no matter what information I get from old friends. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Spirituality, . ..stems from being initiated into TM MJ, you bet. More experience of the transcendent as the unified field is the basis of spiritual progress and transformation, call that cultivation a transcendent meditation however you want; transcending can go by different names culturally but it in large nature is all the same. These people were glad to have run in to TM as it was taught and started something for themselves then. Now, otherwise it is something else to wonder that you methodically dissuade your friends from meditating and rejoice in that. That you actively work to sink transcendental meditation and consciousness-based education. That is incredibly anti-science and ultimately anti-spiritual. It is shocking and diabolical. I can empathize with Obama now. Were I President Obama securing the nation I'd have you straight-away on the drone list as a dangerous plotting enemy-combatant to civil society. I was going to suggest that may be you could get your own meditation checked for efficacy at transcendence. Kindly, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen. The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL. All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense! Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM Egg, Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life.With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Sometimes the teaching stays individuated like with Emerson and sometimes it propagates in groups or even in to popular movement. It is all the same based on experience of the absolute. This expression and re-expression in self-referral transcendental spiritual experience of the Unified Field becomes the real story of the progression of all our manifest destiny in American history. Cultivating the transcendence in human experience meditating evidently is very American. Cultivation of the transcendent state is ultimate spirituality and teaching it is revolutionary action in the face of materialism. Subverting people's experience of the transcendent is nothing less than counter-revolutionary, anti-scientific and anti-American spiritual ignorance, -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort of like we practice the TM-Sidhis? Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life. With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work. In talking with these active Unity ministers it's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen. The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL. All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense! On Wed, 3/19/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life.With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
It seems every generation or two, probably all through human time someone comes and re-expresses the ultimate teaching of transcendence as spirituality in life that way. Like the Unity movement in its time or TM in our time. Sometimes the teaching stays individuated like with Emerson and sometimes it propagates in groups or even in to popular movement. It is all the same based on experience of the absolute. This expression and re-expression in self-referral transcendental spiritual experience of the Unified Field becomes the real story of the progression of all our manifest destiny in American history. Cultivating the transcendence in human experience meditating evidently is very American. Cultivation of the transcendent state is ultimate spirituality and teaching it is revolutionary action in the face of materialism. Subverting people's experience of the transcendent is nothing less than counter-revolutionary, anti-scientific and anti-American spiritual ignorance, -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort of like we practice the TM-Sidhis? Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life. With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Uh huh - and the TMO is creating lots of quiet time programs in San Francisco schools - only it turns out that they have gotten kicked out of several schools there in SF - I'm in a position to know. On Thu, 3/20/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 2:15 AM Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen. The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL. All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense! On Wed, 3/19/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life.With Kind Regards,-Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Hey Michael, I'm not gloating about it. I'm not trying to counter some narrative you've put forth. I'm just telling you what I've observed. Certainly I didn't intend to upset you. But somehow it seems to have had that effect. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Uh huh - and the TMO is creating lots of quiet time programs in San Francisco schools - only it turns out that they have gotten kicked out of several schools there in SF - I'm in a position to know. On Thu, 3/20/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 2:15 AM Actually Michael, You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might have expected. The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up. I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen. The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL. All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense! On Wed, 3/19/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life.With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort of like we practice the TM-Sidhis? A question for you? How do you know when to interrupt the 'no mantra and no thought' experience and return to think the mantra if you aren't already thinking, in some subtle sense of the word thinking: 'gee, I'm not thinking the mantra?' Merely noticing samadhi means you are no longer in samadhi, afterall...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work. In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone now. Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio for their community and spirituality. These ministers I interviewed over coffee were front-line with active large communities who were visiting back on a conference at Unity Village sharing their movement's challenge. Within TM we have seen this trend too as our TM elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with Maharishi have pretty much all passed away now with their check-books gone too. There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a few years ago. A lot of the upper-middle-class TM meditators left the TM movement in the 1990's. Likewise, a security person there reflecting on the Unity Village campus spoke in 3rd person about how just 10 years ago Unity V. was still a happening hopping place with a lot of people there and has really since dropped off to not much now in the last five years or so. The challenge the Unity movement see there with these elders-in-transition is that those deeper and sustaining check-books move with these elderly and consequently those deeper check-books move away from supporting their local Unity churches and the larger Unity movement; the baby-boomers are not as able or interested in keeping up the support behind their parents. Their challenge as a movement now out in the world is the competitive marketplace in spirituality where fewer and fewer places have demographics with spiritual church-attending people. I sat with some ministers from California and Texas Unity churches, their comment was around their work engaging young families and middle-age 40's with families with programming like schools, services and such and then additionally attending to their 'transitional-elderly' who are being removed from their independence around by their baby-boomer kids, moving from their active communities and churches in to care facilities away from their communities. Like TM now, their [Unity] founding generations are passed and gone and their successive continuing elders then of the 20th Century height of their movement (1920-30-40-50's) are gone now too with their deep check-books. Like TM now is post-founder, the trick their Unity foundation boards of trustees are dealing with is trying to keep engaged whatever subsequent stalwart-generational members there are of their Unity Churches out in the world so that when those folks [baby-boom] pass away some of their check-books can come to support the physical-plant of even their Unity mecca -Unity Village in Kansas. Om, I was in Unity last nite and meditated there this morning too. Unity Village, Kansas City. Was there last week too passing through. It was really a nice place to meditate. The chapels were nice places to meditate. They were a bunch of spiritual transcendentalists that came out
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work. In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone now. Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio for their community and spirituality. These ministers I interviewed over coffee were front-line with active large communities who were visiting back on a conference at Unity Village sharing their movement's challenge. Within TM we have seen this trend too as our TM elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with Maharishi have pretty much all passed away now with their check-books gone too. There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a few years ago. A lot of the upper-middle-class TM meditators left the TM movement in the 1990's. Likewise, a security person there reflecting on the Unity Village campus spoke in 3rd person about how just 10 years ago Unity V. was still a happening hopping place with a lot of people there and has really since dropped off to not much now in the last five years or so. The challenge the Unity movement see there with these elders-in-transition is that those deeper and sustaining check-books move with these elderly and consequently those deeper check-books move away from supporting their local Unity churches and the larger Unity movement; the baby-boomers are not as able or interested in keeping up the support behind their parents. Their challenge as a movement now out in the world is the competitive marketplace in spirituality where fewer and fewer places have demographics with spiritual church-attending people. I sat with some ministers from California and Texas Unity churches, their comment was around their work engaging young families and middle-age 40's with families with programming like schools, services and such and then additionally attending to their 'transitional-elderly' who are being removed from their independence around by their baby-boomer kids, moving from their active communities and churches in to care facilities away from their communities. Like TM now, their [Unity] founding generations are passed and gone and their successive continuing elders then of the 20th Century height of their movement (1920-30-40-50's) are gone now too with their deep check-books. Like TM now is post-founder, the trick their Unity
