[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Yes, a similar split between religionists and spiritual practitioners is in TM between those who hold forth (Bevanites) that Fairfield or the TM movement 'is for those who have faith and belief in Maharishi and everyone else should leave', and then individual practitioners whose spiritual

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Re "Thanks for the excellent quote by Alexander Parker": Yes, thanks for those limpid sentences. Can't imagine The Pope or Archbishop of Canterbury ever coming up with words like that. Jesus said: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Thanks for the excellent quote by Alexander Parker. Unfortunately, the middle of the 19th century witnessed a decline in the liberal theology of George Fox; as the Fundamentalist perspective gained ascendance in the UK and the U.S. - for example with John Nelson Darby (1800 - 1882) coming to

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

“… the first that enters into the place of your meeting, be not careless, nor wander up and down either in body or mind, but innocently sit down in some place and turn in thy mind to the Light, and wait upon God simply, as if none were present but the Lord, and here thou art strong. When the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Text from Northern Europe I'd like to track down an essay that was written from jail in Bern by Inspirationists who were at the risk of a conviction for heresy and a death sentence. The essay was a crafted explanation of their separatist spirituality, written judiciously in defense so as to get

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

..Lot of spiritual people [transcendentalists by other names] fled moving from Europe to America. That can be mapped. A Lot like practicing meditators have skirted around and left the TMO as it became doctrine bound, overtly administrative, and itself more a belief-based (religious?) culture.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Excerpts that I heard presented in papers at a conference sounded very similar to Barclay's Apology and not unlike a defended sort of fear that practicing TM meditators contend with in the TMO's guidelines and administrative inquisitions that are held in Fairfield around being able to stay in

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Does TM have any European antecedents? These old writings reference other writings coming from around Europe, the lowlands, France and Spain and Austria. Through history these spiritual people would have to take periodic refuge from the religion of the day and so they moved around with

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

I was at a conference not long ago where papers were given by scholars who recently have translated old German texts, letters, pamphlets, and tracts of satsang-like spiritual groups that were in Northern Europe. Some of these old texts were of the Community of True Inspiration, from their own

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Yes, experienced Spirituality and its supporting ideas were much more fluid than we might suppose moving across Europe evidently going way back in time. People and their experiences with spirituality it seems have traveled back and forth across Europe from early times and evidently the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Thanks for the followup discussions! I had to google Lollardy to find out more. In that it's associated with Wycliffe and many Lollards were his followers; it appears that relating to the eventual development of Quietism, Wycliffe may have been in some ways a setback. His "Bible" only

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Does TM have any European antecedents? ..we can isolate the Silence/Transcending aspect of TM, and for the same of discussion, forget the Puja part. Then, TM would definitely be in the Quietist camp, since there's no imposition of any religious images (they may or may not arise

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o: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers   Many Friends’ ideas can be traced to earlier groups. The first distinct Protestant movement in England was Lollardy, arising in the late Middle Ages, the 1370s.  Go

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Many Friends’ ideas can be traced to earlier groups. The first distinct Protestant movement in England was Lollardy, arising in the late Middle Ages, the 1370s. Good survey of earlier 'Antinomian' England: Early Quaker History http://homewoodfriends.org/2015/02/17/early-quaker-history-2/

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

"The spread of the Antinomian tradition, as begun by the Lollards, was by means of extended kinship, intermarriage, and child rearing and education. As will be seen, the Lollard movement, which continued right up to the English Reformation of the 1530's, was a dissident religious reform

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

But thanks to people like George Fox, the Quietist movement lived on under different names. Yes, Jai George Fox! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Kinship, therefore, was a determinant of far more than mere bloodlines: it was a radical cultural

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

"Kinship, therefore, was a determinant of far more than mere bloodlines: it was a radical cultural transmitter, reflecting persistent defining cultural, religious, and political traits. It continually revealed repetitive familial continuities and ancient customs of significant proportions.

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him out until he pledged loyalty to Cromwell.LOL! From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quake

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

MD, as one Western transcendental meditationist remarkably you evidently are part of a long line-bred tradition that came out of European separatist spirituality. This dissertation I am reading describes this as like the genetics of cultural familial DNA, a “cultural genetics” passing as

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Miguel de Molinos was the main inspiration. But Madame Guyon - particularly through her book "A Short and Easy Method of Prayer" - helped popularize his approach. Her high-profile supporter was Archbishop Fenelon. All three were targetted by the Church hierarchy. The history of

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ent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers George Fox, 1624 - 1691: http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9 http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9 :

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Good example, MD of how a spiritual movements can spread in a time. Sort of like TM did in the 1950-70's. By shakti of experience and then word of mouth from family and friends. That was the Quaker spiritual movement in its day. Mobility through kin and connection. Someone here in

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

Yes, I had wondered this too and chronicled some of it in a subject thread here on FFL. Often those who were referred to as 'separatists' had quietism as a central practice in addition to may be having Ritam Bhara P (inspired) or attending spiritual (chakra) energy work (Pietists).

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o: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers   George Fox, 1624 - 1691:http://tinyurl.com/gph5ra9 : #yiv6450342081 #yiv6450342081 -- #yiv6450342081ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;m

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

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