Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ?
You are wrong again. I am not bitter, nor do I feel "spurned" by Marshy - I just recognize him for the fraud he was. I did once believe he was enlightened, but that was when I was deep in the TM Brain Dead lifestyle, and belief in his "enlightenment" and his version of enlightenment (which doesn't exist) was one of the first of my illusions to go. On Sat, 4/19/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? Michael, you once offered your services to help me get over my TBerness. I now make the same offer to you. Lesson One: Maharishi was never a God, and is not God. He did not possess supernatural powers and never claimed to have them. Now, I realize that this may be hard for your to accept. You act more like a spurned lover who has put the object of his affections on a unrealistic pedestal that could never be ascended. And now that this object of your affections has come up short, you are unable to get over the disappointment, and have become bitter. Let me know if I can help, and maybe, just maybe we can make some progress and move forward. Your Friend in Recovery, Steve ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : more like the CIA was never interested in TM to begin with and Marshy was a superstitious paranoid con artist. If he was so convinced the CIA was dogging his tracks, why didn't he use some of his enlightened powers to run 'em off, or call on Shiva to destroy them? I mean, if Shiva could make his own frozen pecker appear outside Marshy's bedroom when Marshy was in his dotage, surely he could have done the Old Goat that little favor. On Fri, 4/18/14, nablusoss1008 wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 18, 2014, 12:18 PM It's a tricky question. First of all the CIA lost interest in the TMO already 29 years ago since they found it is a harmless org. The people at Langley are not stupid and only started their inquiries because that peanut-farmer asked them to. Plenty of people were on their payrolls at the time including some Initiators and members of Purusha. One fellow I know was caught red-handed when posting a report in a mailbox during a project in Asia. Maharishi didn't become the least upset and simply asked the fellow if he would give up his association with the CIA and continue to work for us, he agreed and is still fulltime.Then there is the issue with that Lama fellow. Unfortunately he is next to broke and has little funds to spare as most Governments sees him as a clown.My thinking these days is that the naysayers and dwellers in the comfy old outdated systems about to crumble, so furiously opposing change are not paid for their role. At least not that I am aware of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Again just for the edification of the "lurker press," Perfect TMer Nabby should remind them that -- as he has said here many times -- many of the TM critics here are being paid by the CIA. It is still an open question which Overlord pays better -- the Dalai Lama or the CIA. And there is the question as to whether some of them are "double-dipping" and being paid by both Overlords. Perhaps Nabby can answer these nagging questions for us. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? By asking for donations to finance free Initiations David Lynch takes from the rich and gives to the poor, a modern day Robin Hood. No wonders the devotees of stale, rigid and outdated religions representing the old ways of doing things hate him. Unfortunately the representatives of their outgoing energies are plenty here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The David Lynch Foundation offers TM instruction for free to people in "at risk" groups, but the $2500 price tag was originally set by Maharishi to entice wealthy people and only wealthy people to learn TM. Weren't you complaining about how insanely high that price tag was? Seems to me that no matter how TM is marketed and for what price and for whichever group of people -the homeless, war refugees, students in El Barrio watching their cousins kill their cousins, or world famous actors and actresses, CEOs worth as much as small countries, etc.- you'll find a reason to kvetch. It's j
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ?
Michael, you once offered your services to help me get over my TBerness. I now make the same offer to you. Lesson One: Maharishi was never a God, and is not God. He did not possess supernatural powers and never claimed to have them. Now, I realize that this may be hard for your to accept. You act more like a spurned lover who has put the object of his affections on a unrealistic pedestal that could never be ascended. And now that this object of your affections has come up short, you are unable to get over the disappointment, and have become bitter. Let me know if I can help, and maybe, just maybe we can make some progress and move forward. Your Friend in Recovery, Steve ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : more like the CIA was never interested in TM to begin with and Marshy was a superstitious paranoid con artist. If he was so convinced the CIA was dogging his tracks, why didn't he use some of his enlightened powers to run 'em off, or call on Shiva to destroy them? I mean, if Shiva could make his own frozen pecker appear outside Marshy's bedroom when Marshy was in his dotage, surely he could have done the Old Goat that little favor. On Fri, 4/18/14, nablusoss1008 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 18, 2014, 12:18 PM It's a tricky question. First of all the CIA lost interest in the TMO already 29 years ago since they found it is a harmless org. The people at Langley are not stupid and only started their inquiries because that peanut-farmer asked them to. Plenty of people were on their payrolls at the time including some Initiators and members of Purusha. One fellow I know was caught red-handed when posting a report in a mailbox during a project in Asia. Maharishi didn't become the least upset and simply asked the fellow if he would give up his association with the CIA and continue to work for us, he agreed and is still fulltime.Then there is the issue with that Lama fellow. Unfortunately he is next to broke and has little funds to spare as most Governments sees him as a clown.My thinking these days is that the naysayers and dwellers in the comfy old outdated systems about to crumble, so furiously opposing change are not paid for their role. At least not that I am aware of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Again just for the edification of the "lurker press," Perfect TMer Nabby should remind them that -- as he has said here many times -- many of the TM critics here are being paid by the CIA. It is still an open question which Overlord pays better -- the Dalai Lama or the CIA. And there is the question as to whether some of them are "double-dipping" and being paid by both Overlords. Perhaps Nabby can answer these nagging questions for us. From: nablusoss1008 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? By asking for donations to finance free Initiations David Lynch takes from the rich and gives to the poor, a modern day Robin Hood. No wonders the devotees of stale, rigid and outdated religions representing the old ways of doing things hate him. Unfortunately the representatives of their outgoing energies are plenty here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The David Lynch Foundation offers TM instruction for free to people in "at risk" groups, but the $2500 price tag was originally set by Maharishi to entice wealthy people and only wealthy people to learn TM. Weren't you complaining about how insanely high that price tag was? Seems to me that no matter how TM is marketed and for what price and for whichever group of people -the homeless, war refugees, students in El Barrio watching their cousins kill their cousins, or world famous actors and actresses, CEOs worth as much as small countries, etc.- you'll find a reason to kvetch. It's just an idea. YMMV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One of the things I've noticed over the years is how many long-term TMers say things like, "I'd be dead if it weren't for TM," or "TM saved my life," or "TM cured me of my depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts/mental illness/whatever." I've always found these claims difficult to relate to, because I didn't have anything to "cure" or "get over" when
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ?
more like the CIA was never interested in TM to begin with and Marshy was a superstitious paranoid con artist. If he was so convinced the CIA was dogging his tracks, why didn't he use some of his enlightened powers to run 'em off, or call on Shiva to destroy them? I mean, if Shiva could make his own frozen pecker appear outside Marshy's bedroom when Marshy was in his dotage, surely he could have done the Old Goat that little favor. On Fri, 4/18/14, nablusoss1008 wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 18, 2014, 12:18 PM It's a tricky question. First of all the CIA lost interest in the TMO already 29 years ago since they found it is a harmless org. The people at Langley are not stupid and only started their inquiries because that peanut-farmer asked them to. Plenty of people were on their payrolls at the time including some Initiators and members of Purusha. One fellow I know was caught red-handed when posting a report in a mailbox during a project in Asia. Maharishi didn't become the least upset and simply asked the fellow if he would give up his association with the CIA and continue to work for us, he agreed and is still fulltime.Then there is the issue with that Lama fellow. Unfortunately he is next to broke and has little funds to spare as most Governments sees him as a clown.My thinking these days is that the naysayers and dwellers in the comfy old outdated systems about to crumble, so furiously opposing change are not paid for their role. At least not that I am aware of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Again just for the edification of the "lurker press," Perfect TMer Nabby should remind them that -- as he has said here many times -- many of the TM critics here are being paid by the CIA. It is still an open question which Overlord pays better -- the Dalai Lama or the CIA. And there is the question as to whether some of them are "double-dipping" and being paid by both Overlords. Perhaps Nabby can answer these nagging questions for us. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? By asking for donations to finance free Initiations David Lynch takes from the rich and gives to the poor, a modern day Robin Hood. No wonders the devotees of stale, rigid and outdated religions representing the old ways of doing things hate him. Unfortunately the representatives of their outgoing energies are plenty here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The David Lynch Foundation offers TM instruction for free to people in "at risk" groups, but the $2500 price tag was originally set by Maharishi to entice wealthy people and only wealthy people to learn TM. Weren't you complaining about how insanely high that price tag was? Seems to me that no matter how TM is marketed and for what price and for whichever group of people -the homeless, war refugees, students in El Barrio watching their cousins kill their cousins, or world famous actors and actresses, CEOs worth as much as small countries, etc.- you'll find a reason to kvetch. It's just an idea. YMMV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One of the things I've noticed over the years is how many long-term TMers say things like, "I'd be dead if it weren't for TM," or "TM saved my life," or "TM cured me of my depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts/mental illness/whatever." I've always found these claims difficult to relate to, because I didn't have anything to "cure" or "get over" when I first started TM. I had already left drugs behind me, having discovered them back when LSD was still legal and came in a bottle with Sandoz on the label. I did my time with them, enjoyed them *not* because they were an "escape from my problems" but because they enhanced an already-enjoyable life. But then I got tired of them, and even more tired of the scene surrounding them, and left them behind. I'm probably one of the only people here who didn't have to wait 15 days before starting TM. :-) I was also neither depressed nor suicidal. In fact, I was a pretty happy frood, and merely one who was looking for ways to become even happier. And for a time, TM presented what I was looking for, something to enhance a good life and help me to appreciate it even more. But then it became as boring and as stagnant as drugs had been, and with an even more stifling social scene, so I moved on again to other forms of meditation that worked better. B
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ?
It's a tricky question. First of all the CIA lost interest in the TMO already 29 years ago since they found it is a harmless org. The people at Langley are not stupid and only started their inquiries because that peanut-farmer asked them to. Plenty of people were on their payrolls at the time including some Initiators and members of Purusha. One fellow I know was caught red-handed when posting a report in a mailbox during a project in Asia. Maharishi didn't become the least upset and simply asked the fellow if he would give up his association with the CIA and continue to work for us, he agreed and is still fulltime. Then there is the issue with that Lama fellow. Unfortunately he is next to broke and has little funds to spare as most Governments sees him as a clown. My thinking these days is that the naysayers and dwellers in the comfy old outdated systems about to crumble, so furiously opposing change are not paid for their role. At least not that I am aware of. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Again just for the edification of the "lurker press," Perfect TMer Nabby should remind them that -- as he has said here many times -- many of the TM critics here are being paid by the CIA. It is still an open question which Overlord pays better -- the Dalai Lama or the CIA. And there is the question as to whether some of them are "double-dipping" and being paid by both Overlords. Perhaps Nabby can answer these nagging questions for us. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? By asking for donations to finance free Initiations David Lynch takes from the rich and gives to the poor, a modern day Robin Hood. No wonders the devotees of stale, rigid and outdated religions representing the old ways of doing things hate him. Unfortunately the representatives of their outgoing energies are plenty here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The David Lynch Foundation offers TM instruction for free to people in "at risk" groups, but the $2500 price tag was originally set by Maharishi to entice wealthy people and only wealthy people to learn TM. Weren't you complaining about how insanely high that price tag was? Seems to me that no matter how TM is marketed and for what price and for whichever group of people -the homeless, war refugees, students in El Barrio watching their cousins kill their cousins, or world famous actors and actresses, CEOs worth as much as small countries, etc.- you'll find a reason to kvetch. It's just an idea. YMMV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One of the things I've noticed over the years is how many long-term TMers say things like, "I'd be dead if it weren't for TM," or "TM saved my life," or "TM cured me of my depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts/mental illness/whatever." I've always found these claims difficult to relate to, because I didn't have anything to "cure" or "get over" when I first started TM. I had already left drugs behind me, having discovered them back when LSD was still legal and came in a bottle with Sandoz on the label. I did my time with them, enjoyed them *not* because they were an "escape from my problems" but because they enhanced an already-enjoyable life. But then I got tired of them, and even more tired of the scene surrounding them, and left them behind. I'm probably one of the only people here who didn't have to wait 15 days before starting TM. :-) I was also neither depressed nor suicidal. In fact, I was a pretty happy frood, and merely one who was looking for ways to become even happier. And for a time, TM presented what I was looking for, something to enhance a good life and help me to appreciate it even more. But then it became as boring and as stagnant as drugs had been, and with an even more stifling social scene, so I moved on again to other forms of meditation that worked better. But there seem to be any number of long-term TMers who don't look back on their TM experience this way. They seem to focus on what it enabled them to "get over" or "cure" or "get beyond," almost as if (almost) before TM they had been "broken" and TM had "fixed" them. This gets me to thinking about tent revival meetings in the South (which, of course, you can't help but attend a few of if you grow up in the South), in which the most fervent "believers" and most fundamentalist Bible-thumpers were ALL those who formerly were drunks or whores or thieves or something BAD. It's as if they don't feel they can adequately shout "I've been SAVED!" unless they feel they had a lot to be saved FROM.
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Again just for the edification of the "lurker press," Perfect TMer Nabby should remind them that -- as he has said here many times -- many of the TM critics here are being paid by the CIA. It is still an open question which Overlord pays better -- the Dalai Lama or the CIA. And there is the question as to whether some of them are "double-dipping" and being paid by both Overlords. Perhaps Nabby can answer these nagging questions for us. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? By asking for donations to finance free Initiations David Lynch takes from the rich and gives to the poor, a modern day Robin Hood. No wonders the devotees of stale, rigid and outdated religions representing the old ways of doing things hate him. Unfortunately the representatives of their outgoing energies are plenty here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The David Lynch Foundation offers TM instruction for free to people in "at risk" groups, but the $2500 price tag was originally set by Maharishi to entice wealthy people and only wealthy people to learn TM. Weren't you complaining about how insanely high that price tag was? Seems to me that no matter how TM is marketed and for what price and for whichever group of people -the homeless, war refugees, students in El Barrio watching their cousins kill their cousins, or world famous actors and actresses, CEOs worth as much as small countries, etc.- you'll find a reason to kvetch. It's just an idea. YMMV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One of the things I've noticed over the years is how many long-term TMers say things like, "I'd be dead if it weren't for TM," or "TM saved my life," or "TM cured me of my depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts/mental illness/whatever." I've always found these claims difficult to relate to, because I didn't have anything to "cure" or "get over" when I first started TM. I had already left drugs behind me, having discovered them back when LSD was still legal and came in a bottle with Sandoz on the label. I did my time with them, enjoyed them *not* because they were an "escape from my problems" but because they enhanced an already-enjoyable life. But then I got tired of them, and even more tired of the scene surrounding them, and left them behind. I'm probably one of the only people here who didn't have to wait 15 days before starting TM. :-) I was also neither depressed nor suicidal. In fact, I was a pretty happy frood, and merely one who was looking for ways to become even happier. And for a time, TM presented what I was looking for, something to enhance a good life and help me to appreciate it even more. But then it became as boring and as stagnant as drugs had been, and with an even more stifling social scene, so I moved on again to other forms of meditation that worked better. But there seem to be any number of long-term TMers who don't look back on their TM experience this way. They seem to focus on what it enabled them to "get over" or "cure" or "get beyond," almost as if (almost) before TM they had been "broken" and TM had "fixed" them. This gets me to thinking about tent revival meetings in the South (which, of course, you can't help but attend a few of if you grow up in the South), in which the most fervent "believers" and most fundamentalist Bible-thumpers were ALL those who formerly were drunks or whores or thieves or something BAD. It's as if they don't feel they can adequately shout "I've been SAVED!" unless they feel they had a lot to be saved FROM. And *this* gets me to thinking about whether Maharishi always pitched TM to losers and people with problems and low self esteem because they become the best disciples. And *disciples* is what he was looking for. Think about it. Does the TMO really spend any energy trying to market TM to "regular people," who have few problems in life and are just looking to enjoy it more? They do not. They focus on People With Problems. Kids doing badly in school. Criminals locked away in prisons. Veterans with PTSD. Can't this be seen as a continuation of a long-standing trend to look for prospective new students among populations who are more likely to be easy to convert into True Believers and thus become disciples? It's just an idea. YMMV.
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For the edification of the "lurking reporters," the "Overlords" Perfect TMer Nabby is referring to are my supposed Buddhist Overlords (even though I've told him I'm not a Buddhist), not the disembodied spirit or extraterrestrials Overlords from whom Benjamin Creme gets *his* instructions and information. World of difference. :-) From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ? Probably his Overlords told him so in a desperate attempt to try to stop the rise of Sattwa in the world in order for old and stale religions not to be exposed as the crap it is. Not that the Turq is able, but he certainly tries :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The David Lynch Foundation offers TM instruction for free to people in "at risk" groups, but the $2500 price tag was originally set by Maharishi to entice wealthy people and only wealthy people to learn TM. Weren't you complaining about how insanely high that price tag was? Seems to me that no matter how TM is marketed and for what price and for whichever group of people -the homeless, war refugees, students in El Barrio watching their cousins kill their cousins, or world famous actors and actresses, CEOs worth as much as small countries, etc.- you'll find a reason to kvetch. It's just an idea. YMMV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One of the things I've noticed over the years is how many long-term TMers say things like, "I'd be dead if it weren't for TM," or "TM saved my life," or "TM cured me of my depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts/mental illness/whatever." I've always found these claims difficult to relate to, because I didn't have anything to "cure" or "get over" when I first started TM. I had already left drugs behind me, having discovered them back when LSD was still legal and came in a bottle with Sandoz on the label. I did my time with them, enjoyed them *not* because they were an "escape from my problems" but because they enhanced an already-enjoyable life. But then I got tired of them, and even more tired of the scene surrounding them, and left them behind. I'm probably one of the only people here who didn't have to wait 15 days before starting TM. :-) I was also neither depressed nor suicidal. In fact, I was a pretty happy frood, and merely one who was looking for ways to become even happier. And for a time, TM presented what I was looking for, something to enhance a good life and help me to appreciate it even more. But then it became as boring and as stagnant as drugs had been, and with an even more stifling social scene, so I moved on again to other forms of meditation that worked better. But there seem to be any number of long-term TMers who don't look back on their TM experience this way. They seem to focus on what it enabled them to "get over" or "cure" or "get beyond," almost as if (almost) before TM they had been "broken" and TM had "fixed" them. This gets me to thinking about tent revival meetings in the South (which, of course, you can't help but attend a few of if you grow up in the South), in which the most fervent "believers" and most fundamentalist Bible-thumpers were ALL those who formerly were drunks or whores or thieves or something BAD. It's as if they don't feel they can adequately shout "I've been SAVED!" unless they feel they had a lot to be saved FROM. And *this* gets me to thinking about whether Maharishi always pitched TM to losers and people with problems and low self esteem because they become the best disciples. And *disciples* is what he was looking for. Think about it. Does the TMO really spend any energy trying to market TM to "regular people," who have few problems in life and are just looking to enjoy it more? They do not. They focus on People With Problems. Kids doing badly in school. Criminals locked away in prisons. Veterans with PTSD. Can't this be seen as a continuation of a long-standing trend to look for prospective new students among populations who are more likely to be easy to convert into True Believers and thus become disciples? It's just an idea. YMMV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ?
By asking for donations to finance free Initiations David Lynch takes from the rich and gives to the poor, a modern day Robin Hood. No wonders the devotees of stale, rigid and outdated religions representing the old ways of doing things hate him. Unfortunately the representatives of their outgoing energies are plenty here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The David Lynch Foundation offers TM instruction for free to people in "at risk" groups, but the $2500 price tag was originally set by Maharishi to entice wealthy people and only wealthy people to learn TM. Weren't you complaining about how insanely high that price tag was? Seems to me that no matter how TM is marketed and for what price and for whichever group of people -the homeless, war refugees, students in El Barrio watching their cousins kill their cousins, or world famous actors and actresses, CEOs worth as much as small countries, etc.- you'll find a reason to kvetch. It's just an idea. YMMV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One of the things I've noticed over the years is how many long-term TMers say things like, "I'd be dead if it weren't for TM," or "TM saved my life," or "TM cured me of my depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts/mental illness/whatever." I've always found these claims difficult to relate to, because I didn't have anything to "cure" or "get over" when I first started TM. I had already left drugs behind me, having discovered them back when LSD was still legal and came in a bottle with Sandoz on the label. I did my time with them, enjoyed them *not* because they were an "escape from my problems" but because they enhanced an already-enjoyable life. But then I got tired of them, and even more tired of the scene surrounding them, and left them behind. I'm probably one of the only people here who didn't have to wait 15 days before starting TM. :-) I was also neither depressed nor suicidal. In fact, I was a pretty happy frood, and merely one who was looking for ways to become even happier. And for a time, TM presented what I was looking for, something to enhance a good life and help me to appreciate it even more. But then it became as boring and as stagnant as drugs had been, and with an even more stifling social scene, so I moved on again to other forms of meditation that worked better. But there seem to be any number of long-term TMers who don't look back on their TM experience this way. They seem to focus on what it enabled them to "get over" or "cure" or "get beyond," almost as if (almost) before TM they had been "broken" and TM had "fixed" them. This gets me to thinking about tent revival meetings in the South (which, of course, you can't help but attend a few of if you grow up in the South), in which the most fervent "believers" and most fundamentalist Bible-thumpers were ALL those who formerly were drunks or whores or thieves or something BAD. It's as if they don't feel they can adequately shout "I've been SAVED!" unless they feel they had a lot to be saved FROM. And *this* gets me to thinking about whether Maharishi always pitched TM to losers and people with problems and low self esteem because they become the best disciples. And *disciples* is what he was looking for. Think about it. Does the TMO really spend any energy trying to market TM to "regular people," who have few problems in life and are just looking to enjoy it more? They do not. They focus on People With Problems. Kids doing badly in school. Criminals locked away in prisons. Veterans with PTSD. Can't this be seen as a continuation of a long-standing trend to look for prospective new students among populations who are more likely to be easy to convert into True Believers and thus become disciples? It's just an idea. YMMV.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does TM seem to focus on winners ?
Probably his Overlords told him so in a desperate attempt to try to stop the rise of Sattwa in the world in order for old and stale religions not to be exposed as the crap it is. Not that the Turq is able, but he certainly tries :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The David Lynch Foundation offers TM instruction for free to people in "at risk" groups, but the $2500 price tag was originally set by Maharishi to entice wealthy people and only wealthy people to learn TM. Weren't you complaining about how insanely high that price tag was? Seems to me that no matter how TM is marketed and for what price and for whichever group of people -the homeless, war refugees, students in El Barrio watching their cousins kill their cousins, or world famous actors and actresses, CEOs worth as much as small countries, etc.- you'll find a reason to kvetch. It's just an idea. YMMV. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : One of the things I've noticed over the years is how many long-term TMers say things like, "I'd be dead if it weren't for TM," or "TM saved my life," or "TM cured me of my depression/anxiety/suicidal thoughts/mental illness/whatever." I've always found these claims difficult to relate to, because I didn't have anything to "cure" or "get over" when I first started TM. I had already left drugs behind me, having discovered them back when LSD was still legal and came in a bottle with Sandoz on the label. I did my time with them, enjoyed them *not* because they were an "escape from my problems" but because they enhanced an already-enjoyable life. But then I got tired of them, and even more tired of the scene surrounding them, and left them behind. I'm probably one of the only people here who didn't have to wait 15 days before starting TM. :-) I was also neither depressed nor suicidal. In fact, I was a pretty happy frood, and merely one who was looking for ways to become even happier. And for a time, TM presented what I was looking for, something to enhance a good life and help me to appreciate it even more. But then it became as boring and as stagnant as drugs had been, and with an even more stifling social scene, so I moved on again to other forms of meditation that worked better. But there seem to be any number of long-term TMers who don't look back on their TM experience this way. They seem to focus on what it enabled them to "get over" or "cure" or "get beyond," almost as if (almost) before TM they had been "broken" and TM had "fixed" them. This gets me to thinking about tent revival meetings in the South (which, of course, you can't help but attend a few of if you grow up in the South), in which the most fervent "believers" and most fundamentalist Bible-thumpers were ALL those who formerly were drunks or whores or thieves or something BAD. It's as if they don't feel they can adequately shout "I've been SAVED!" unless they feel they had a lot to be saved FROM. And *this* gets me to thinking about whether Maharishi always pitched TM to losers and people with problems and low self esteem because they become the best disciples. And *disciples* is what he was looking for. Think about it. Does the TMO really spend any energy trying to market TM to "regular people," who have few problems in life and are just looking to enjoy it more? They do not. They focus on People With Problems. Kids doing badly in school. Criminals locked away in prisons. Veterans with PTSD. Can't this be seen as a continuation of a long-standing trend to look for prospective new students among populations who are more likely to be easy to convert into True Believers and thus become disciples? It's just an idea. YMMV.
