Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). > On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I am not sure why this is a big deal. The renter would have insurance if "a lot" of the chairs burned up and so might the venue where the fire occurred. This just seems like a funny story to me. It doesn't really imply anything to me other than that no one seemed to be thinking straight at the time or the story was misconstrued in some way. > It not difficult to see this thread as just another excuse for the informants to abuse women. Everyone knows this whole thread is meant to offend Ann and Share. Some informants will use any tragic incident if they think it will help them win a religious debate. Where is Judy when we need her? > Misogyny is just a part of it. Judy's 'disappearance' may be connected to the rise of nazi comments. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). > On 09/20/2014 02:01 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > I am not sure why this is a big deal. The renter would have insurance if "a lot" of the chairs burned up and so might the venue where the fire occurred. This just seems like a funny story to me. It doesn't really imply anything to me other than that no one seemed to be thinking straight at the time or the story was misconstrued in some way. > On 9/20/2014 4:21 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Gotta remember that many TM teachers had little practical experience in life. They came out of college and just lived in centers and didn't have any real jobs where they learned responsibilities. I had to step in a few times to give them a real perspective. > Most of the early TMers were older people like Charles and Helen Lutes who frequented the SRM. Most of them were very well grounded in the practical life. It's only when Jerry and Debbie Jarvis started SIMS that the younger generation became interested in teaching TM. For over ten years Beaulah Smith was the only teacher in the U.S. When all the hippies began to take over the movement and began to hang around MMY is when you can start tracking the slow decline into cultism and guru yoga. That's when the movement became more about MMY than it was about TM. Some of the current informants posting here really screwed things up with all their new-age buffoonery and snake-oil selling tactics. There is one informant posting here that got fired from working for the TMO for being a lousy baker. Couldn't even bake a decent cookie! Go figure. > If I note that I got my grounding with SRM, does that make me old? Well, maybe I did and maybe I didn't.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). > On 09/20/2014 02:01 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > I am not sure why this is a big deal. The renter would have insurance if "a lot" of the chairs burned up and so might the venue where the fire occurred. This just seems like a funny story to me.It doesn't really imply anything to me other than that no one seemed to be thinking straight at the time or the story was misconstrued in some way. > On 9/20/2014 4:21 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Gotta remember that many TM teachers had little practical experience in life. They came out of college and just lived in centers and didn't have any real jobs where they learned responsibilities. I had to step in a few times to give them a real perspective. > Most of the early TMers were older people like Charles and Helen Lutes who frequented the SRM. Most of them were very well grounded in the practical life. It's only when Jerry and Debbie Jarvis started SIMS that the younger generation became interested in teaching TM. For over ten years Beaulah Smith was the only teacher in the U.S. When all the hippies began to take over the movement and began to hang around MMY is when you can start tracking the slow decline into cultism and guru yoga. That's when the movement became more about MMY than it was about TM. Some of the current informants posting here really screwed things up with all their new-age buffoonery and snake-oil selling tactics. There is one informant posting here that got fired from working for the TMO for being a lousy baker. Couldn't even bake a decent cookie! Go figure. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
> > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason > for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would > the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work > that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig > harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. > Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). > > On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] < FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I am not sure why this is a big deal. The renter would have insurance if > "a lot" of the chairs burned up and so might the venue where the fire > occurred. This just seems like a funny story to me. It doesn't really > imply anything to me other than that no one seemed to be thinking straight > at the time or the story was misconstrued in some way. > > *It not difficult to see this thread as just another excuse for the informants to abuse women. Everyone knows this whole thread is meant to offend Ann and Share. Some informants will use any tragic incident if they think it will help them win a religious debate. Where is Judy when we need her?* *>* > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of > rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of > the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are > used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never > told about the fire. > > To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back > then as a true believer. > > Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the > present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). I am not sure why this is a big deal. The renter would have insurance if "a lot" of the chairs burned up and so might the venue where the fire occurred. This just seems like a funny story to me. It doesn't really imply anything to me other than that no one seemed to be thinking straight at the time or the story was misconstrued in some way. Here's an explanation of omitting the fire from the discussion: "These sharp remarks even though true they don't help very much. Many people say, 'I am truthful and that's why people dislike me because I say something to their face.' Truth is not characterized by whips. If you speak truth, fine, the truth is there, but it should have some sweetness to it. Manu, the first lawgiver to the human race, said about speech: 'Satyāṁ brūyāt priyaṁ brūyāt na brūyāt satyam apriyam' Speak the truth, speak that which is sweet, don't speak the truth which is not sweet. Not that you can take liberty with the truth and massacre the whole field of behavior. Speak the simple, natural truth which is supporting life, which is nourishing life. Truth is always life-supporting if it is really truth, but it must come from a melted heart and not from a very unconcerned mind. No. So the moment TM begins, [there is] culture of the heart and culture of the mind,." ~Maharishi~ ~Humboldt State University -- August 12, 1970 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
More ammo for MJ. The old fraudster and vedic charlatan doesn't believe in Darwin's biological evolution. How so, could he be enlightened? And the bald fraudster has no qualms about refusing to pay even his own lawyers. I bet he paid his vedic chattels starvation wages, combined with false promises. He gives them fancy titles and robes, but keeps all the money and authority for himself. By the way, he laundered money for decades. I wonder how much ill gotten wealth he sneaked into india? --- wrote : Gotta agree with Edg here. This is not new, and not particularly shocking. Shocking was Maharishi telling Jerry Jarvis (then head of the US TM movement) not to pay th legal firm that had defended the TMO unsuccessfully in the "Is TM a religion?" court case the hundreds of thousands of dollars the movement owed them. Jerry paid them anyway, which I have been told is one of the primary reasons Maharishi declared him persona non grata. From: Duveyoung I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
Good point - though he didn't say where it was. Everyone in Asia has the MSRP (my suggested retail price) down cold. I used to enjoy bargaining, since I knew the merchants would never go low enough, to avoid a good profit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Let's not forget that Indians are used to haggling. Some of the misunderstanding of Indian gurus is really a misunderstanding of Indian culture (or lack of it). Westerners judge too much by western norms which of course aren't the norms at all in India. That's why I recommend a visit there to find out it really isn't "the land of the Ved." The chair company would have charge the price for new chairs unless they considered the TMO a return customer then charged the wholesale price (which is probably how they would have bought them). Insurance should have taken care of that maybe minus some deductible but I bet there was no insurance, right Edg? On 09/20/2014 09:28 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
On 09/20/2014 02:01 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). I am not sure why this is a big deal. The renter would have insurance if "a lot" of the chairs burned up and so might the venue where the fire occurred. This just seems like a funny story to me.It doesn't really imply anything to me other than that no one seemed to be thinking straight at the time or the story was misconstrued in some way. Gotta remember that many TM teachers had little practical experience in life. They came out of college and just lived in centers and didn't have any real jobs where they learned responsibilities. I had to step in a few times to give them a real perspective.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). I am not sure why this is a big deal. The renter would have insurance if "a lot" of the chairs burned up and so might the venue where the fire occurred. This just seems like a funny story to me. It doesn't really imply anything to me other than that no one seemed to be thinking straight at the time or the story was misconstrued in some way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
Let's not forget that Indians are used to haggling. Some of the misunderstanding of Indian gurus is really a misunderstanding of Indian culture (or lack of it). Westerners judge too much by western norms which of course aren't the norms at all in India. That's why I recommend a visit there to find out it really isn't "the land of the Ved." The chair company would have charge the price for new chairs unless they considered the TMO a return customer then charged the wholesale price (which is probably how they would have bought them). Insurance should have taken care of that maybe minus some deductible but I bet there was no insurance, right Edg? On 09/20/2014 09:28 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
I think its significant since they must have been pundits. From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out? I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
I am not sure why the renter of the chairs needed to be told the reason for them not being returned, vs bought. As for a compensation, why would the renting company want or expect full price? Does your car insurance work that way? You seem to be looking for shit, but only finding straw. Dig harder - this completely misses the target, and your credibility suffers. Muckraking score: 3/10. (3 because of mention of the fire). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
Gotta agree with Edg here. This is not new, and not particularly shocking. Shocking was Maharishi telling Jerry Jarvis (then head of the US TM movement) not to pay th legal firm that had defended the TMO unsuccessfully in the "Is TM a religion?" court case the hundreds of thousands of dollars the movement owed them. Jerry paid them anyway, which I have been told is one of the primary reasons Maharishi declared him persona non grata. From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out? I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wonder how that one turned out?
I'm remembering the story of what happened after a fire in which a lot of rented chairs were burned up. Maharishi told someone to ask the renter of the chairs ""how much would be the cost of the chairs -- since they are used and old.must be a lower price than new" like that. Never told about the fire. To me, that kind of "normal business deceit" stuck in my craw -- even back then as a true believer. Seeing how the movement screwed so many people in so many ways, the present report seems hardly significant enough to add to the history.
