[FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
Yes very much like Suzanne Seagal. It's there in Maharshi's discourse, but it is more overt in Buddhist literature. I found her story very interesting but also quite funny. Apparently some people didn't listen when he was describing the transition from TC into CC in terms of subjective experience. Oh, I will be expanded into unbounded consciousness must have been her thought, and shows she definitely did not listen and had no clue. The futility of looking for an I to keep for a reference was highlighted by MMY a number of times. She also had a very intense attachment to her Jewish identity, something I found hilarious. The continual need to search out such an identify to make sure it was still findable caused her lots of suffering, all of it self induced. From Reb Yonnasan Gershom's book, Beyond the Ashes, I learned just how crystallized a Jewish identity could be circulating across many life times just to keep itself intact. Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@... wrote: Yes very much like Suzanne Segal. It's there in Maharshi's discourse, but it is more overt Buddhist literature. Peter On Aug 8, 2010, at 10:58 PM, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Oh, you are talking about me! Yes, in 1986 I was on the rebound because my poor I was utterly missing. Thus spake Suzanne Segal. I had to read a lot of Buddhist literature to figure out what was going on.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of emptybill Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal Yes very much like Suzanne Seagal. It's there in Maharshi's discourse, but it is more overt in Buddhist literature. I found her story very interesting but also quite funny. Apparently some people didn't listen when he was describing the transition from TC into CC in terms of subjective experience. Oh, I will be expanded into unbounded consciousness must have been her thought, and shows she definitely did not listen and had no clue. The futility of looking for an I to keep for a reference was highlighted by MMY a number of times. She also had a very intense attachment to her Jewish identity, something I found hilarious. The continual need to search out such an identify to make sure it was still findable caused her lots of suffering, all of it self induced. From Reb Yonnasan Gershom's book, Beyond the Ashes, I learned just how crystallized a Jewish identity could be . circulating across many life times just to keep itself intact. Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it to be.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
--- On Mon, 8/9/10, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 1:04 PM From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of emptybill Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:44 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal Yes very much like Suzanne Seagal. It's there in Maharshi's discourse, but it is more overt in Buddhist literature. I found her story very interesting but also quite funny. Apparently some people didn't listen when he was describing the transition from TC into CC in terms of subjective experience. Oh, I will be expanded into unbounded consciousness must have been her thought, and shows she definitely did not listen and had no clue. The futility of looking for an I to keep for a reference was highlighted by MMY a number of times. She also had a very intense attachment to her Jewish identity, something I found hilarious. The continual need to search out such an identify to make sure it was still findable caused her lots of suffering, all of it self induced. From Reb Yonnasan Gershom's book, Beyond the Ashes, I learned just how crystallized a Jewish identity could be … circulating across many life times just to keep itself intact. Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it to be. To go from a bound, localized identity to absolutely no localization and hence no individual identity in a finger snap blows the mind to pieces. The waking state thought that I will have this experience of unboundedness or I will be unbounded is completely false, although this is the best a waking state mind can do because that 'I-thought, as Ramana Maharishi called it, is the foundation of waking state. Consciousness is completely unlocalized and unbounded to any space and time limitation. Therefore the mind, a localized expression of consciousness, is incapable of knowing pure consciousness. In waking state, the mind knows pure consciousness as a concept only.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it to be. I think her awakening was little more than a major case of depression~~ starting during her pregnancy and continuing on afterwards, not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being seriously ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice thing for her friends to have let her deal with quite alone, it would seem. And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by putting the above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the years since her death. Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it to be. I think her awakening was little more than a major case of depression~~ starting during her pregnancy and continuing on afterwards, not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being seriously ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice thing for her friends to have let her deal with quite alone, it would seem. And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by putting the above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the years since her death. Sal Are you basing that upon having known her personally, or upon having read her book?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
Sal, I never saw her experience as being related to her brain tumor. Three reasons. First, many people before and after her have reported similar experiences. Two, I had identical experiences as she did and to the best of my knowledge, I don't have a brain tumor. Three, her symptoms don't match any sort of neurological dysfunction that would occur from a brain tumor. Remember, I have a master's degree in science! ;-) --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 1:39 PM On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it to be. I think her awakening was little more than a major case of depression~~ starting during her pregnancy and continuing on afterwards, not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being seriously ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice thing for her friends to have let her deal with quite alone, it would seem. And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by putting the above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the years since her death. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
Plus I also think that many TM'ers have a wooden idea of what enlightenment is. Since it is basically the experience of the transcendent along with activity that experience can vary somewhat depending on one's samskaras ( or remains of ignorance). Peter wrote: Sal, I never saw her experience as being related to her brain tumor. Three reasons. First, many people before and after her have reported similar experiences. Two, I had identical experiences as she did and to the best of my knowledge, I don't have a brain tumor. Three, her symptoms don't match any sort of neurological dysfunction that would occur from a brain tumor. Remember, I have a master's degree in science! ;-) --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 1:39 PM On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Bullshit karma but at last she gave it up, realized the illusion and worked to help other people. Until she died of a brain tumor. I think part of her problem was that she had been away from any spiritual teaching for several years before her awakening, so maybe her understanding had gotten rusty. Also, as many say, the actual experience turns out to be quite different from what we had conceptualized it to be. I think her awakening was little more than a major case of depression~~ starting during her pregnancy and continuing on afterwards, not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being seriously ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice thing for her friends to have let her deal with quite alone, it would seem. And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by putting the above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the years since her death. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Peter wrote: Sal, I never saw her experience as being related to her brain tumor. Pete, I never said it did~~I said it as being related to her depression. Not just related, actually~~but the awakening (so-called) being simply a prolonged case of depression that went undiagnosed. (see below). I didn't address the issue of the brain tumor at all. But I wouldn't be surprised if prolonged depression could make you more susceptible to other brain abnormalities. In any case, it's very sad and is yet one more instance of a TMer (or in this case a former one) dying~~possibly unnecessarily~~long before their time. I think her awakening was little more than a major case of depression~~ starting during her pregnancy and continuing on afterwards, not to mention being in a foreign country, her dad being seriously ill, etc~~that went perpetually untreated. Not a nice thing for her friends to have let her deal with quite alone, it would seem. And then try and rationalize her obvious desperation by putting the above spin on it, and any number of similar ones over the years since her death.
[FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
Find her book Collision with the Infinite and read it. It may be available here at Revelations at half price. Used copies surface from time to time. Very interesting story. She was indoctrinated by her parents to believe if Fear was present then there was someting to be afraid of. Both of her parents were survivors of the German concentration camps. Great study of the acronymn for FEAR from the author of Conversations with God. False Evidence that Appears Real. Tom T
[FairfieldLife] Suzanne Segal
Hi, Came across this on nonduality.com/perfect_brilliant_stillness.htm Does anybody here know Suzanne's story( short ) first hand? Thanks, amarnath But in another sense it made the impact greater, and without preparation the body/mind was thrown into a kind of chaos. For this reason I find Suzanne Segal's account quite poignant; there is a deep appreciation of what she went through. Although in a sense she had more prepara-tion than in my case, having trained in Transcendental Meditation with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, still it did not seem to have provided her with the necessary parameters to comprehend the awakening when it happened. Perhaps even more significantly, she was not provided with any meaningful support after it occurred, and spent the next twelve years with psychotherapists engaged in an all-out effort to pathologize the emptiness of personal self in an effort to get rid of it.
