Re: [FairfieldLife] This is the last message in this thread, was Ishvara - The Transcendental Person

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I think in honor of the cool article turq posted today, we should henceforth 
speak only of prairie voles' holes (-:

http://synapticscoop.com/2013/10/02/the-neurobiology-of-cuffing-season-how-the-brain-influences-monogamy/
 




 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: Richard J. Williams  
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is the last message in this thread, was Ishvara - 
The Transcendental Person
 


  
It didn't take very long for this thread to go down a shallow 'Prairie Dog' 
hole. LoL!

On 10/5/2013 11:12 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
>You are only able to repeat "ad nauseum" you shallow assertions.
>This is more "high school report" quality. 
>
>
>
>Them other eyes seeming to stare at you are your own.
>
>There's a mirror down in the Prairie Dog hole and yer
>obviously making "him" nervous.  
>
>---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>The term 'Isha' refers to Ishvara, the cosmic person, Paramatman or Brahman. 
>Ishvara is the supreme controller. According to the Isha, those who are 
>engaged in the worship of the demi-Gods enter into the darkest region of 
>ignorance, and still more so do the worshipers of the impersonal Absolute 
>alone. From what I've read, many of the adherents of Vedanta do not espouse 
>the Advaita Vedanta, instead they follow other traditions. According to Sri 
>Aurobindo, this Transcendental Person is not false - He is real, not an 
>illusion. 
>
>So, where exactly did the non-dual notion enter into
  Indian polemics? If most of the seers taught dualism
  or qualified dualism, where did Shankara get the
  non-dualistic notions? Maybe Shankara got the maya
  idea from the Buddhists up in Kashmir. Go figure.
>
>The term 'Trika' mean three - that comes from the idea
  that there are three levels of consciousness: waking,
  dreaming, and sleeping, and a fourth called the
  Transcendental state.
>
>4. The Self is transcendental, immortal and beyond the
  mind and the senses.
>
>Read more:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isha_Upanishad
>
>
>On 10/4/2013 9:19 PM, emptybill@... wrote:
>>
>  
>> 
>>I'm not sure what you are claiming by these posting these quotes.
>>
>>
>>I started reading Autobindo's Life Divine and Synthesis of Yoga in the fall 
>>of 1966 when I was a freshman in college. After starting TM, we couldn't 
>>understand why MMY never referenced him. Now we know why. Aurobindo never 
>>understood Shankara’s Advaita but rather interpreted it in terms of 19th-20th 
>>Century Western Idealist philosophy. 
>>
>>
>>
>>By the way, all your quotes from A.C. Bhaktivendanta simply demonstrate how 
>>shallow your knowledge of the Gaudiya Vaishnava sampradaya is in the larger 
>>constellation of Indian darshanas. One of my friends was an early disciple of 
>>Prabhupad (1968). Over a 20 years period he spend 12 years traveling and 
>>doing sadhana in India. He also did specialized training in Pancharatra Vidhi 
>>in Udipi, South India to become a Western pujari. In fact he installed my own 
>>shivalingam with a traditional Pancharatra ceremony, replete with immense 
>>devashakti. 
>>
>>
>>
>>I have read Rupa Goswami, have you? 
>>
>>
>>
>>Wiki Willy may look impressive to people who don’t understand the principles 
>>involved but not much for those know even a little sad-dharma. 
>>
>>
>>
>>Wake up and smell the Prairie Dog ganja. 
>>
>>
>>---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>>
>>
>>"The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is 
>>completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, 
>>are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the 
>>Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, 
>>even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete 
>>balance. "
>>
>>Invocation:
>>http://vedabase.com/en/iso
>>
>>"The Ultimate Reality is two fulls - 200% of
  each. One who knows nescience side-by-side
  with the transcendent, can pass beyond
  repeated birth and death, and can enjoy the
  full blessings of immortality." 
>>
>>Work cited:
>>
>>'Isha Upanishad'
>>Translation by Sri Aurobindo 
>>Sri Aurobindo A

[FairfieldLife] This is the last message in this thread, was Ishvara - The Transcendental Person

[Richard J. Williams]

It didn't take very long for this thread to go down a shallow 'Prairie 
Dog' hole. LoL!


On 10/5/2013 11:12 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:


You are only able to repeat "ad nauseum" you shallow assertions.

This is more "high school report" quality.


Them other eyes seeming to stare at you are your own.

There's a mirror down in the Prairie Dog hole and yer
obviously making "him" nervous.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

The term 'Isha' refers to Ishvara, the cosmic person, Paramatman or 
Brahman. Ishvara is the supreme controller. According to the Isha, 
those who are engaged in the worship of the demi-Gods enter into the 
darkest region of ignorance, and still more so do the worshipers of 
the impersonal Absolute alone. From what I've read, many of the 
adherents of Vedanta do not espouse the Advaita Vedanta, instead they 
follow other traditions. According to Sri Aurobindo, this 
Transcendental Person is not false - He is real, not an illusion.


So, where exactly did the non-dual notion enter into Indian polemics? 
If most of the seers taught dualism or qualified dualism, where did 
Shankara get the non-dualistic notions? Maybe Shankara got the maya 
idea from the Buddhists up in Kashmir. Go figure.


The term 'Trika' mean three - that comes from the idea that there are 
three levels of consciousness: waking, dreaming, and sleeping, and a 
fourth called the Transcendental state.


4. The Self is transcendental, immortal and beyond the mind and the 
senses.


Read more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isha_Upanishad

On 10/4/2013 9:19 PM, emptybill@...  wrote:


I'm not sure what you are claiming by these posting these quotes.


I started reading Autobindo's Life Divine and Synthesis of Yoga in 
the fall of 1966 when I was a freshman in college. After starting TM, 
we couldn't understand why MMY never referenced him. Now we know why. 
Aurobindo never understood Shankara’s Advaita but rather interpreted 
it in terms of 19^th -20^th Century Western Idealist philosophy.



By the way, all your quotes from A.C. Bhaktivendanta simply 
demonstrate how shallow your knowledge of the Gaudiya Vaishnava 
sampradaya is in the larger constellation of Indian darshanas. One of 
my friends was an early disciple of Prabhupad (1968). Over a 20 years 
period he spend 12 years traveling and doing sadhana in India. He 
also did specialized training in Pancharatra Vidhi in Udipi, South 
India to become a Western pujari. In fact he installed my own 
shivalingam with a traditional Pancharatra ceremony, replete with 
immense devashakti.



I have read Rupa Goswami, have you?


Wiki Willy may look impressive to people who don’t understand the 
principles involved but not much for those know even a little 
sad-dharma.



Wake up and smell the Prairie Dog ganja.



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote:


"The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He 
is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this 
phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever 
is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because 
He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate 
from Him, He remains the complete balance. "


Invocation:
http://vedabase.com/en/iso

"The Ultimate Reality is two fulls - 200% of each. One who knows 
nescience side-by-side with the transcendent, can pass beyond 
repeated birth and death, and can enjoy the full blessings of 
immortality."


Work cited:

'Isha Upanishad'
Translation by Sri Aurobindo
Sri Aurobindo Ashram Trust
Pondicherry, India 1914

On 10/4/2013 9:03 AM, iranitea wrote:

The commentary of the Isha Upanishad, actually a very short 
Upanishad, was later expanded by Aurobindo and served as the 
starting point of The Life Divine, which is really his magnum opus. 
You are right, he didn't subscribe to Shankaras Kevala, but would 
call his philosophy to be based on Bhedabheda.



Could you say, where you actually cite, and where you paraphrase? I 
didn't find : the Ultimate Reality is two fulls - 200% of each. One 
who knows nescience side-by-side with the transcendent,in his Isha 
commentary.




Richard wrote:

Because many of these good fellows (sadhus) do not ascribe to the 
illusion

theory, 'maya' proposed by the Adi. According to Sri Aurobindo, this
Transcendental Person is not false - He is real, not an illusion.

Isha Upanishad:

"The face of Truth is covered with a brilliant
golden lid; that do thou remove O'Fosterer,
for the law of the Truth, for sight." - Isha v 2

The term 'Isha' refers to Ishvara, the cosmic person, Paramatman or
Brahman.
Ishvara is the supreme controller.

Sri Aurobindo wrote that the Ultimate Reality is two fulls - 200% of
each. One
who knows nescience side-by-side with the transcendent, can pass beyond
repeated birth and death, and can enjoy the full blessings of 
immortality.


Work