Re: [FairfieldLife] To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

2011-05-19 Thread Peter
A couple of assumptions I make:

1)Nobody other than MMY and GD know what their relationship was.
2)What GD wanted MMY to do or not to do is only known to them.

A couple of things I know:

1)For a murderous, con artist, MMY was certainly a blazing Ball of Brahman.
2)His non-functioning, useless techniques certainly are effective.
3)FFL is a wonderful toilet for people to take much needed shits in. Seriously, 
where else could you empty your bowels of this fetid crap? Count yourself 
blessed and truly in the Dharma! 

   

--- On Thu, 5/19/11, richardnelson108  wrote:

> From: richardnelson108 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 6:38 PM
> Hello Vaj-  I could not help but
> respond to your post #277247.
> 
> Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert
> about things you know nothing about.
> 
> You say we now "know two things".  We do not "know"
> anything.  We do not "know" that Guru dev never
> authorized MMY to teach.   We do not " know"
> that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev,
> even though he was told to throw it away.  Where do you
> get your facts from?
> You make up these things to fit your point of view. 
> Nowhere in the story that MMY told about that poem (which is
> the only source from which we even know this poem existed)
> did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to
> throw it in the Ganges.  And it is clear that you know
> nothing about MMY because the one thing you can bet your
> life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, it
> would be done.  You make assumptions based on nothing.
> 
> Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in
> past posts is that MMY poisoned Guru Dev.  There has
> never been any evidence that this is true.  But yet you
> continue to quote it as if it is scripture.
> I am not saying that the poisoning or anything else you
> mention is not possible, it just that we don't "know"
> it   I am simply saying there has never been
> any evidence of this.  If there is, please enlighten me
> as to your sources.
> Also you continually have mentioned in the past that MMY
> wanted to get Guru Dev of the seat of Shankaracharya by
> poisoning him, but for what purpose?  MMY could not
> have been given the seat himself and could gain nothing
> about having one of his pals put in Guru Dev's place. 
> There's basicly no money or power of any significance in
> being the Shankaracharya.  Have you been to Jyotir Math
> or Guru Dev's residence in Allahabad?  I have and they
> are nothing much to speak of.
> Good vibes for sure, but far from opulent. 
> So oh wise and mighty Vaj, since you are always making the
> point about MMY getting rid of Guru Dev, tell me what would
> have been the point?
> And by the way genius, the TM puja is traditional. 
> You hear it in temples, at by other swamis.  MMMY did
> say that he pieced it together.
> But it did not come from some student of Guru Dev as you
> say.  You are only showing your ignorance.  
> So again I ask, what is this need you have to continue to
> post as if you are an expert in something that you are not?
> 
> Of course, I don't expect to get a response to this by Vaj
> folks.  He never responds to something when he is
> proven to be a fake.
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

2011-05-19 Thread Vaj

On May 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM, richardnelson108 wrote:

> Hello Vaj-  I could not help but respond to your post #277247.
> 
> Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you 
> know nothing about.
> 
> You say we now "know two things".  We do not "know" anything.  We do not 
> "know" that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach.

Yes, we do know this. In fact, it would run contrary to the spirit of SBS's 
beliefs for him to authorize Mahesh to teach. SO this is really no huge 
surprise.

>   We do not " know" that MMY kept the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru 
> Dev, even though he was told to throw it away.  Where do you get your facts 
> from?

The origin of the TM puja has been exhaustively researched and it's sources 
have been known for several years.

> You make up these things to fit your point of view.  Nowhere in the story 
> that MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even 
> know this poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him 
> to throw it in the Ganges.  And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY 
> because the one thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY 
> to do something, it would be done.  You make assumptions based on nothing. 

> Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that 
> MMY poisoned Guru Dev.  There has never been any evidence that this is true.  
> But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture.

No, I said he was one of the main SUSPECTS.

I don't believe it is possible at this late to know what exactly happened.



[FairfieldLife] To Vaj- The Magical Puja Placebo

2011-05-19 Thread richardnelson108
Hello Vaj-  I could not help but respond to your post #277247.

Why do you continually feel the need to act like an expert about things you 
know nothing about.

You say we now "know two things".  We do not "know" anything.  We do not "know" 
that Guru dev never authorized MMY to teach.   We do not " know" that MMY kept 
the poem that the pundit wrote about Guru Dev, even though he was told to throw 
it away.  Where do you get your facts from?
You make up these things to fit your point of view.  Nowhere in the story that 
MMY told about that poem (which is the only source from which we even know this 
poem existed) did he say he kept it, even though Guru Dev told him to throw it 
in the Ganges.  And it is clear that you know nothing about MMY because the one 
thing you can bet your life on is that if Guru Dev told MMMY to do something, 
it would be done.  You make assumptions based on nothing. 
Another great lie that you have continued to propigate in past posts is that 
MMY poisoned Guru Dev.  There has never been any evidence that this is true.  
But yet you continue to quote it as if it is scripture.
I am not saying that the poisoning or anything else you mention is not 
possible, it just that we don't "know" it   I am simply saying there has never 
been any evidence of this.  If there is, please enlighten me as to your sources.
Also you continually have mentioned in the past that MMY wanted to get Guru Dev 
of the seat of Shankaracharya by poisoning him, but for what purpose?  MMY 
could not have been given the seat himself and could gain nothing about having 
one of his pals put in Guru Dev's place.  There's basicly no money or power of 
any significance in being the Shankaracharya.  Have you been to Jyotir Math or 
Guru Dev's residence in Allahabad?  I have and they are nothing much to speak 
of.
Good vibes for sure, but far from opulent. 
So oh wise and mighty Vaj, since you are always making the point about MMY 
getting rid of Guru Dev, tell me what would have been the point?
And by the way genius, the TM puja is traditional.  You hear it in temples, at 
by other swamis.  MMMY did say that he pieced it together.
But it did not come from some student of Guru Dev as you say.  You are only 
showing your ignorance.  
So again I ask, what is this need you have to continue to post as if you are an 
expert in something that you are not?

Of course, I don't expect to get a response to this by Vaj folks.  He never 
responds to something when he is proven to be a fake.