--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not so much that his personality is flawed, but
that
it is exactly what it is. Flawed implies some
sort
of standard or basis of evaluation. I don't know
what
that would be other than some story I need to tell
myself.
Do you classify having dementia a story? That was
your story or
explanation yesterday.
Yes, that is a story within the dharma of waking
state. It is an attempt to understand within that
context.
Is this story now being
dropped? Or is the
story that MMY is simply an unexplainable paradox
being dropped?
(Prior stories).
It's all being dropped in that particular post.
Is it a story -- your evaluation of others as
having an unfulfilled
father issues in explaining other's behavior towards
MMY? Or is that
purely experienced?
Just a story that you appropriately turned around (ala
Byron Katie) towards me which I fully agree with.
But now you can't then take the counter
position and say that his personality is
perfect. It
is neither flawed nor perfect. If you drop all
stories
you just have pure experience left.
Is it really possible to drop all stories and
experiencing someone
or something purely? Doesn't all experience have
some intermediary
level of interpretation? I equate interpretation as
story. How are
you defining story? Is it different from
interpretation?
Here story is just the explanatory construct used by
mind to have experience make sense. Pure experience
is a bodily felt only. There's not a story intrinsic
to it, that is something the mind does. Yet, on the
other hand, that experience also constrains what
meanings can be generated, as it were, from that
experience. So there is something intrinsic to
experience that could be thought of as limiting the
meaning that is generated from it. But the range of
the meaning would only apply to our experience and not
another's experience. So our experience is not that
MMY is mad. Our experience is something quite personal
in reaction to his behavior. All we can do is generate
meaning within the domain of our own experiencing. As
soon as we start talking about others, it's truly just
a story and usually something used to manage our own
uncomfortable experiencing.
If one is to believe the claimants to Brahman on
this list, even THAT
is an understanding -- which implies to me it is an
interpretation of
an experience. And doesn't leesha-vidya and
personality provide a
layer of interpreation on the world which
differentiates the
relative views of those who are Blazing Brahman?
Yes, I agree. That's why any spoken teaching is
limited. I like Dakshinamurti. He didn't speak a word
and just radiated that until you got it. Any spoken
teaching must necessarily transcend itself into That.
For
example, MMY and
SSRS apparently view the UK differently on the
surface level. They
have different stories about it. So, again I am
trying ot get to the
point of is it really possible to drop all stories
and experiencing
someone or something purely -- even in Brahman?
Yes, because (here's a story!) Brahman is outside of
mind. It can not be recognized by mind. Mind only sees
nothingness when it tries to see Brahman.
And that
experience varies from person to person.
Why does the experience vary from person to person
if there is no
intermediary level of interpreation or story?
I'm just saying people have different experiences of
the same thing.
For me MMY is
absolute Brahman and that Brahman moves in
profoundly
mysterious ways to awaken to itself. All this MMY
nonsense is pure leela. A deliciously mad dish of
perfect Kali devouring your mind.
Is that a story -- a level of interpretation -- or
do you hold that as
pure experience?
Another story because it is spoken.
This is not a critic of your statements. Rather,
your posts bring up
(some times subtle) distinctions, sometimes apparent
contradictions,
which if explained, would make your points clearer
-- if not profound.
I'm with ya Akasha!
-Peter
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