[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've had similar experiences as what you're describing, but 
> that seemed to be shakti and therefore relative. 

Excellent distinction. I find that those who have
not been around a lot of shakti are often flashed
out by it, and a tad overwhelmed. There's a big
difference between shakti-induced consciousness
and real higher states of consciousness IMO.

> In what I was describing there was no overtly energetic 
> component or shakti, just a shift and tensions in awareness 
> relaxed like dew disappearing in the presence of the sun. 
> It's only when you shifted in your awareness that you  
> realized. 

Excellent again. One only notices the lack of 
tension when it's gone, not the "leaving" or
any sense of "process."

> In some cases one can comprehend an entire teaching in this  
> way with no intervening "process"--the knowledge was always 
> already present in the natural (non-dual) state which is 
> our true condition: the "tension" of the unresolved question 
> is simply gone.











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[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On May 18, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Peter wrote:
> 
> >
> > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On May 18, 2006, at 2:50 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "markmeredith2002"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess it's possible people can get fried being
> > > close to certain
> > > > > "highly evolved" people, but my experience in
> > > recent yrs is that
> > > > > being around high shakti produces the opposite
> > > of fried, crazy,
> > > > > rigid, immature and unevolved.
> > > >
> > > > Exactly the opposite. Greater clarity and
> > > flexibility.
> > >
> > > And spontaneous resolution of many patterns. It's
> > > not unusual to go
> > > into a state of Unity when in their presence. It's
> > > called "entering
> > > the mandala of the teacher" and is unmistakable.
> > >
> > > Long standing questions can simply resolve on their
> > > own. No matter
> > > how you search your mind the "tension" that was the
> > > question will
> > > have dissolved and you will have the answer as part
> > > of your natural
> > > state.
> >
> > I've had both experiences around SSRS. Years ago when
> > I first experienced him giving personal darshan my
> > body had a difficult time being around him as would
> > radiate this powerful darshan that would make me get
> > terrible headaches. Now it's smooth as silk even when
> > he's radiating like a supernova. Just some
> > purification of some subtle bodies needed!
> 
> 
> I've had similar experiences as what you're describing, but that  
> seemed to be shakti and therefore relative. In what I was 
describing  
> there was no overtly energetic component or shakti, just a shift 
and  
> tensions in awareness relaxed like dew disappearing in the 
presence  
> of the sun. It's only when you shifted in your awareness that you  
> realized. In some cases one can comprehend an entire teaching in 
this  
> way with no intervening "process"--the knowledge was always 
already  
> present in the natural (non-dual) state which is our true 
condition:  
> the "tension" of the unresolved question is simply gone.
>
I think you posted an SSRS video clip on your website not long ago, 
and he was talking about a river which flows for thousands of years, 
without getting tired, and the sun which keeps on shining for years 
and years, without getting tired.









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Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread Vaj




On May 18, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Peter wrote:

>
> --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > On May 18, 2006, at 2:50 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "markmeredith2002"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I guess it's possible people can get fried being
> > close to certain
> > > > "highly evolved" people, but my experience in
> > recent yrs is that
> > > > being around high shakti produces the opposite
> > of fried, crazy,
> > > > rigid, immature and unevolved.
> > >
> > > Exactly the opposite. Greater clarity and
> > flexibility.
> >
> > And spontaneous resolution of many patterns. It's
> > not unusual to go
> > into a state of Unity when in their presence. It's
> > called "entering
> > the mandala of the teacher" and is unmistakable.
> >
> > Long standing questions can simply resolve on their
> > own. No matter
> > how you search your mind the "tension" that was the
> > question will
> > have dissolved and you will have the answer as part
> > of your natural
> > state.
>
> I've had both experiences around SSRS. Years ago when
> I first experienced him giving personal darshan my
> body had a difficult time being around him as would
> radiate this powerful darshan that would make me get
> terrible headaches. Now it's smooth as silk even when
> he's radiating like a supernova. Just some
> purification of some subtle bodies needed!


I've had similar experiences as what you're describing, but that  
seemed to be shakti and therefore relative. In what I was describing  
there was no overtly energetic component or shakti, just a shift and  
tensions in awareness relaxed like dew disappearing in the presence  
of the sun. It's only when you shifted in your awareness that you  
realized. In some cases one can comprehend an entire teaching in this  
way with no intervening "process"--the knowledge was always already  
present in the natural (non-dual) state which is our true condition:  
the "tension" of the unresolved question is simply gone.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread Peter





--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On May 18, 2006, at 2:50 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "markmeredith2002"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess it's possible people can get fried being
> close to certain
> > > "highly evolved" people, but my experience in
> recent yrs is that
> > > being around high shakti produces the opposite
> of fried, crazy,
> > > rigid, immature and unevolved.
> >
> > Exactly the opposite. Greater clarity and
> flexibility.
> 
> And spontaneous resolution of many patterns. It's
> not unusual to go  
> into a state of Unity when in their presence. It's
> called "entering  
> the mandala of the teacher" and is unmistakable.
> 
> Long standing questions can simply resolve on their
> own. No matter  
> how you search your mind the "tension" that was the
> question will  
> have dissolved and you will have the answer as part
> of your natural  
> state.

I've had both experiences around SSRS. Years ago when
I first experienced him giving personal darshan my
body had a difficult time being around him as would
radiate this powerful darshan that would make me get
terrible headaches. Now it's smooth as silk even when
he's radiating like a supernova. Just some
purification of some subtle bodies needed!



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Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread Vaj




On May 18, 2006, at 2:50 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I guess it's possible people can get fried being close to certain
> > "highly evolved" people, but my experience in recent yrs is that
> > being around high shakti produces the opposite of fried, crazy,
> > rigid, immature and unevolved.
>
> Exactly the opposite. Greater clarity and flexibility.

And spontaneous resolution of many patterns. It's not unusual to go  
into a state of Unity when in their presence. It's called "entering  
the mandala of the teacher" and is unmistakable.

Long standing questions can simply resolve on their own. No matter  
how you search your mind the "tension" that was the question will  
have dissolved and you will have the answer as part of your natural  
state.






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[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread TurquoiseB



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
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>
> I guess it's possible people can get fried being close to certain
> "highly evolved" people, but my experience in recent yrs is that 
> being around high shakti produces the opposite of fried, crazy, 
> rigid, immature and unevolved.

Exactly the opposite. Greater clarity and flexibility.













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Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread Rick Archer



on 5/18/06 10:56 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> [...]
>> I guess it's possible people can get fried being close to certain
>> "highly evolved" people, but my experience in recent yrs is that being
>> around high shakti produces the opposite of fried, crazy, rigid,
>> immature and unevolved.
>> 
> 
> So ARE the people surrounding MMY fried, crazy, rigid, immature and unevolved?

Yes, no, and everywhere in between.








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[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
 wrote:
> [...]
> > I guess it's possible people can get fried being close to certain
> > "highly evolved" people, but my experience in recent yrs is that 
being
> > around high shakti produces the opposite of fried, crazy, rigid,
> > immature and unevolved.
> >
> 
> So ARE the people surrounding MMY fried, crazy, rigid, immature and 
unevolved?
>
Good question.









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[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread sparaig



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> I guess it's possible people can get fried being close to certain
> "highly evolved" people, but my experience in recent yrs is that being
> around high shakti produces the opposite of fried, crazy, rigid,
> immature and unevolved.
>

So ARE the people surrounding MMY fried, crazy, rigid, immature and unevolved?











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[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "abutilon108" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on 5/15/06 12:14 PM, stadspark at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am new here...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on here?
> > > > 
> > > > Hard to say. There are many avid lurkers. Also, there are 
many 
> > who
> > > sign up
> > > > and then forget about it and never read the stuff.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Howmany live in Faifield?
> > > > 
> > > > Quite a few, but most active posters are out of town.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of the minet.org
> > > documnents...?
> > > > 
> > > > Sure, but few here have a TM-Ex orientation. Most of us 
don't see
> > > the world
> > > > in black and white, and just want to know the truth about 
things,
> > > which is
> > > > always mixed. At least that's my attitude.
> > > >
> > > Hi -- am an occasional lurker (except for one post) and find 
Rick's
> > > answer to sum up my position pretty well.  Am, or was, a 
governor,
> > > having since explored many other "paths".  Thankful for my 
> > experience
> > > with TM, and thankful for many others since.  Feel free to 
discuss
> > > anything about TM, etc., just don't take the time to add my 
input 
> > here.
> > > 
> > > I enjoy the open discussion about various viewpoints and topics
> > > although often get lost in the FFL posts as there are a few 
people
> > > here who seem to know each other well and have a long history 
with
> > > each other, and so the references are often hard to understand 
if 
> > you
> > > don't have that history.
> > >   
> > > There has been an ongoing process of keeping what is useful to 
me 
> > from
> > > MMY & TM & TMO and letting go of what is not and in the past 
few 
> > mos.
> > > FFL has played some sort of role in that.  Although there is 
much I
> > > cannot embrace about the TMO (which seems to have something 
akin 
> > to a
> > > fundamentalist religion attitude of this is the best, right, 
only 
> > way
> > > and if you deviate from that you are doomed)
> > 
> > Yep, the TMO's corporate culture could stand some improvement.
> > 
> > Fortunately or otherwise, the members of that organization are 
held 
> > almost magnetically to Maharishi, through their desire to gain 
what 
> > he has; his 'Maharishi-ness'. 
> > 
> > The contrast there, between the Self realization of Maharishi 
and 
> > the Self realization of the members of the TMO is great enough 
that 
> > they find themselves rigidly adhering to whatever he says. His 
> > personality, Indian culture, reflection of his Master, and 
dharma in 
> > the warrior caste play a part as well.
> > 
> > But the main thing is the gulf that separates their 
consciousness 
> > from his. Much like we control the actions of a child when it is 
> > very little, and less so when it begins to understand the ways 
of 
> > the world. Similarly, they are rigidly controlled now, and hence 
> > rigidly control themselves and those around them. Once they grow 
up 
> > some, if the TMO still exists, this should lessen. There are 
> > probably pockets of greater spiritual maturity within the TMO, 
but 
> > that is pure speculation on my part.
> > 
> > Maharishi, through Guru Dev, is a very, very powerful man, whose 
> > goal is to bring enlightenment to the world. Not an easy task, 
> > though he has enlarged his consciousness through the guidance 
and 
> > grace of Guru Dev to be able to do so. Those around him are so 
> > deeply fried as a result, they also need the rigidity of action 
and 
> > absolute adherence to rules to avoid going crazy. 
> > 
> > I hope that they are enjoying themselves along the way!
> 
> I used to believe the above narrative but now think it's just a
> rationalization to keep the dream alive.  

I've never been much good at writing while dreaming.

Too many non sequiturs --
> the people close to MMY have been close to him for over 30 yrs now 
and
> doing his techniques for longer, but their consciousness is still 
so
> unevolved and immature?  

Its a contrast thing compared to the consciousness he is 
manifesting, so Yes, correct.

And these 50-something adults still require
> rigidity to avoid going crazy?  

Apparently.

Since when do truly powerful leaders
> surround themselves solely with immature yes-men?

I don't understand the question. His mission is unique, no basis for 
comparison. Magnetic attraction?
  
> 
> I guess it's possible people can get fried being close to certain
> "highly evolved" people, but my experience in recent yrs is that 
being
> around high shakti produces the opposite of fried, crazy, rigid,
> immature and unevolved.

Clear channel to Shiva. What more can I say?










[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "abutilon108" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > on 5/15/06 12:14 PM, stadspark at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > I am new here...
> > > > 
> > > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on here?
> > > 
> > > Hard to say. There are many avid lurkers. Also, there are many 
> who
> > sign up
> > > and then forget about it and never read the stuff.
> > > > 
> > > > Howmany live in Faifield?
> > > 
> > > Quite a few, but most active posters are out of town.
> > > > 
> > > > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of the minet.org
> > documnents...?
> > > 
> > > Sure, but few here have a TM-Ex orientation. Most of us don't see
> > the world
> > > in black and white, and just want to know the truth about things,
> > which is
> > > always mixed. At least that's my attitude.
> > >
> > Hi -- am an occasional lurker (except for one post) and find Rick's
> > answer to sum up my position pretty well.  Am, or was, a governor,
> > having since explored many other "paths".  Thankful for my 
> experience
> > with TM, and thankful for many others since.  Feel free to discuss
> > anything about TM, etc., just don't take the time to add my input 
> here.
> > 
> > I enjoy the open discussion about various viewpoints and topics
> > although often get lost in the FFL posts as there are a few people
> > here who seem to know each other well and have a long history with
> > each other, and so the references are often hard to understand if 
> you
> > don't have that history.
> >   
> > There has been an ongoing process of keeping what is useful to me 
> from
> > MMY & TM & TMO and letting go of what is not and in the past few 
> mos.
> > FFL has played some sort of role in that.  Although there is much I
> > cannot embrace about the TMO (which seems to have something akin 
> to a
> > fundamentalist religion attitude of this is the best, right, only 
> way
> > and if you deviate from that you are doomed)
> 
> Yep, the TMO's corporate culture could stand some improvement.
> 
> Fortunately or otherwise, the members of that organization are held 
> almost magnetically to Maharishi, through their desire to gain what 
> he has; his 'Maharishi-ness'. 
> 
> The contrast there, between the Self realization of Maharishi and 
> the Self realization of the members of the TMO is great enough that 
> they find themselves rigidly adhering to whatever he says. His 
> personality, Indian culture, reflection of his Master, and dharma in 
> the warrior caste play a part as well.
> 
> But the main thing is the gulf that separates their consciousness 
> from his. Much like we control the actions of a child when it is 
> very little, and less so when it begins to understand the ways of 
> the world. Similarly, they are rigidly controlled now, and hence 
> rigidly control themselves and those around them. Once they grow up 
> some, if the TMO still exists, this should lessen. There are 
> probably pockets of greater spiritual maturity within the TMO, but 
> that is pure speculation on my part.
> 
> Maharishi, through Guru Dev, is a very, very powerful man, whose 
> goal is to bring enlightenment to the world. Not an easy task, 
> though he has enlarged his consciousness through the guidance and 
> grace of Guru Dev to be able to do so. Those around him are so 
> deeply fried as a result, they also need the rigidity of action and 
> absolute adherence to rules to avoid going crazy. 
> 
> I hope that they are enjoying themselves along the way!

I used to believe the above narrative but now think it's just a
rationalization to keep the dream alive.  Too many non sequiturs --
the people close to MMY have been close to him for over 30 yrs now and
doing his techniques for longer, but their consciousness is still so
unevolved and immature?  And these 50-something adults still require
rigidity to avoid going crazy?  Since when do truly powerful leaders
surround themselves solely with immature yes-men?  

I guess it's possible people can get fried being close to certain
"highly evolved" people, but my experience in recent yrs is that being
around high shakti produces the opposite of fried, crazy, rigid,
immature and unevolved.  









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[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?] Maharishi, Cosmic Fry Cook

2006-05-18 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "abutilon108" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> wrote:
> >
> > on 5/15/06 12:14 PM, stadspark at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I am new here...
> > > 
> > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on here?
> > 
> > Hard to say. There are many avid lurkers. Also, there are many 
who
> sign up
> > and then forget about it and never read the stuff.
> > > 
> > > Howmany live in Faifield?
> > 
> > Quite a few, but most active posters are out of town.
> > > 
> > > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of the minet.org
> documnents...?
> > 
> > Sure, but few here have a TM-Ex orientation. Most of us don't see
> the world
> > in black and white, and just want to know the truth about things,
> which is
> > always mixed. At least that's my attitude.
> >
> Hi -- am an occasional lurker (except for one post) and find Rick's
> answer to sum up my position pretty well.  Am, or was, a governor,
> having since explored many other "paths".  Thankful for my 
experience
> with TM, and thankful for many others since.  Feel free to discuss
> anything about TM, etc., just don't take the time to add my input 
here.
> 
> I enjoy the open discussion about various viewpoints and topics
> although often get lost in the FFL posts as there are a few people
> here who seem to know each other well and have a long history with
> each other, and so the references are often hard to understand if 
you
> don't have that history.
>   
> There has been an ongoing process of keeping what is useful to me 
from
> MMY & TM & TMO and letting go of what is not and in the past few 
mos.
> FFL has played some sort of role in that.  Although there is much I
> cannot embrace about the TMO (which seems to have something akin 
to a
> fundamentalist religion attitude of this is the best, right, only 
way
> and if you deviate from that you are doomed)

Yep, the TMO's corporate culture could stand some improvement.

Fortunately or otherwise, the members of that organization are held 
almost magnetically to Maharishi, through their desire to gain what 
he has; his 'Maharishi-ness'. 

The contrast there, between the Self realization of Maharishi and 
the Self realization of the members of the TMO is great enough that 
they find themselves rigidly adhering to whatever he says. His 
personality, Indian culture, reflection of his Master, and dharma in 
the warrior caste play a part as well.

But the main thing is the gulf that separates their consciousness 
from his. Much like we control the actions of a child when it is 
very little, and less so when it begins to understand the ways of 
the world. Similarly, they are rigidly controlled now, and hence 
rigidly control themselves and those around them. Once they grow up 
some, if the TMO still exists, this should lessen. There are 
probably pockets of greater spiritual maturity within the TMO, but 
that is pure speculation on my part.

Maharishi, through Guru Dev, is a very, very powerful man, whose 
goal is to bring enlightenment to the world. Not an easy task, 
though he has enlarged his consciousness through the guidance and 
grace of Guru Dev to be able to do so. Those around him are so 
deeply fried as a result, they also need the rigidity of action and 
absolute adherence to rules to avoid going crazy. 

I hope that they are enjoying themselves along the way!










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