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ha! Emily at least I know Rick in person. Do you know indifferent in person? Or Gail Tredwell? smile? On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:07 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, if this is the case, than clearly Rick is *not* impervious to self-delusion as Share states. That's quite the pedestal she's got him on. Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Right Rick's opinions are very objective. FYI Regardless of the disinterested persona he projects and manages to sell to people and his other work elsewhere, Rick and his wife are entrenched in this cult, much valued members of this cult. Your opinions are not surprising, Cult 101, cultists rely on each other to perpetuate their delusional beliefs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: dear not really indifferent, much of my thinking about this topic is based on knowing Rick in person. I think he's quite intelligent and impervious to self delusion so I choose to trust his input. About Amma and Gail I will never know the *facts* via my own direct observations so I rely on the observations of others I have found trustworthy. All the while knowing that I might be wrong. That's the thing I think. At any moment we might be wrong. All we can do is our best in any moment. If we're wrong, life will straighten us out one way or the other. I can live with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: This is an extremely cultish, delusional thinking. Here's an interview of Gail Tredwell on this book - open in Google Chrome for English translation http://spuren.ch/content/magazin/single-ansicht-nachrichten/datumamma-die-kehrseite-einer-heiligen.html ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: To be that close to Amma for that long is bound to bring up the biggest, fattest stresses, karma from many, many lifetimes. May she somehow find peace when all is said and done. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:49 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: 'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi could be shot just few months before she left the ashram-? Should be at 46m28s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through 3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA website: http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that! On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote: I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel compelled to write up my story for a post in the process). I think Rick or Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any drama. It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect it and her fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how I would feel in her
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Share babbled: not really indifferent or objective either, I said in person, not personally. Simply knowing someone online does not count imo. Nor is knowing someone online usually referred to as knowing them personally. Most folks use the terms in person and personally interchangeably. On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:45 PM, indifferent_netizen no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well Miss that's quite an assumption you make that Miss Emily Mae Not know me personally, clearly I'm posting anonymously for a reason.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: ha! Emily at least I know Rick in person. Do you know indifferent in person? Or Gail Tredwell? smile?
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I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing. I'm suggesting that you yourself not make judgments, at least until you get to know us better, and that you refrain from insulting people who don't immediately jump on the anti-Amma train. You seem to have a tendency to see everything in black and white and to refuse to accept even the possibility of shades of gray. That approach is not likely to change minds; it's just going to piss people off and maybe even sway them to be sympathetic to the pro-Amma cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thanks authfriend - will do, I appreciate your feedback. Looks like you are not necessarily disagreeing with my assessment of these 3 posters - Rick, Buck and Share. Rick, the most dangerous of these three because of his disinterested, neutral persona he so desperately projects and invested in. It's clear neither of these three have even read the book. Rick doesn't offer any opinion, doesn't articulate his views. He just posts a website and expects people to accept it as truth. He is oblivious to this subtle deception and manipulation. His motives are suspect, especially considering his wife leads the Fairfield Ammachi Satsang. He should apologize or at least retain his dignity, integrity by refusing to forward such blatantly dishonest material and refusing to comment on Amma unless he engages in debate or something substantial. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: You know, indiff, you haven't been hanging out on FFL for more than a few days. It may not be appropriate for you to go around hurling the cultist label at folks you don't know very well. This group, and its members' relationships to Maharishi and the TMO (and to each other), are complicated and multifaceted, with a wide range of attitudes. I don't know much about Amma's organization, but I have the distinct impression there are some major differences between it and the TMO per se, and even more so between the members of the respective online groups. Instead of attacking the folks here who don't appear to agree with you about Amma, you might want to avoid trying to draw one-to-one parallels as if all such groups were more similar than different. Take your time and scope it out, and you may be able to have some interesting and productive discussions with us in which everyone learns something. If you go around alienating folks right off the bat, that's not likely. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Very good to know, thanks for clarifying that. I don't know Eileen personally, clearly she has spent a lot of time close to Sai Baba. I myself have a spent of lot of time in Amma's cult and know all the characters mentioned in her book including Amma, Swamis, Gail, the woman Anu Iyer who attacks Gail viciously on the website Rick posted. I will be happy to engage in any discussion, I can't speak for Eileen but looks like she could too. And then it becomes a moral imperative when cultists start attacking Gail who has was so severely abused. People like Rick forwarding attack sites or philosophies espoused by Buck such as evolutionary altruism or suggestion by cultists like Share that Gail is clearing some karmas by being abused by Amma. Pathetic. Sad. Sickening. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Not sure where you got the notion that I had dismissed Eileen or questioned her motives. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: And authfriend please don't dismiss Eileen so lightly or question her motives. You can briefly check who she is here - http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/22/divya.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - no worries authfriend, I have no issues with discussion since I have been around the Amma scene for a really long time. The only reason I was compelled to post was because of Rick who posted what was nothing but an attack website from Amma org. I can shut up now :-) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: indifferent_netizen, I don't recall having seen you or Eileen on FFL before. Are you here only to publicize Tredwell's book and counter criticisms of it? I don't have a dog in the pro/anti-Amma fight. I'm just curious, wondering if your presence on FFL is sort of the other side of what's been portrayed as an effort by the pro-Amma folks to discredit Tredwell and her book. You seem pretty anxious to discredit anyone here who takes a pro-Amma stance. You may not be doing your cause much good by insulting them, if I may say so. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi thank you Eileen for your comments. I had a chance to read your journey and experiences at Sai Baba's ashram online and they were very interesting. Thank you for taking such a
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Mr. Bill - let me know if you want to play this game, I have your full name, email, wife's name, when you married, where you live, your FB profile all ready. (In fact it's very easy to find out - but whatever) Bill - next time just stick to the minor league where you belong. It doesn't matter how many scriptures you spew, constantly frothing at your mouth, almost choking on your parroted vomit - you are too emotionally, psychologically retarded to progress to the next level. OK empty baby? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: And who knows Mr. Bill I may also know your first and last name and may decide to out it. So learn when to keep your big fucking mouth shut, if you want to act like a retarded child find someone else. Get it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Oh my god, someone please help me find a partner for Mr. Bill, someone he can converse with, someone who is at the same intellectual, emotional, psychological maturity level as Mr. Bill (read someone as intellectually, emotionally, psychologically retarded as Mr. Bill). Mr. Bill - please be aware of the rules for anonymity here. Don't know who Ravioli is but either way it's not cool. Stop acting a retarded,needy child. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: You appear to be unable to submit any message other than an insult. It does not demonstrate a rational mind, as you claim, but rather an adolescent fixation. Not wonder you were easily fooled. You must really be angry at your own naiveté. You must have been kicked off of a number of forums to end up here. Maybe you are really just Ravioli. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You are too emotionally fragile Mr. Bill, don't want to make you more miserable. I don't get much joy beating wimps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: That's it? I gave you an invitation to show us how important and powerful you are. I am giving you a chance to demonstrate something other than braggadocio. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I didn't realize you cry so easily Mr. Bill, how old are you now?
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I'm telling you--have told you several times now--that if you want to get folks here to be on your side against Amma, you'll be more successful if you refrain from insulting them. Boy, you're sounding more and more like Ravi. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Will do authfriend - as the need and context arises. But no one is condemned of course, you see I had to take a strong stand against the ignorance and dishonesty of these three posters - Rick, Buck and Share. As I said Buck and Share seemed pretty inane and harmless, Rick OTOH not. And astonishingly none of them surely has read the book. Of course your suggestions are welcome, you are asking me to adopt a civil, balanced tone and I have nothing against it, unfortunately my samskaras are such that I react very strongly against ignorance and dishonesty. Rather than dispute and challenge of my assessments of these three posters you seem to be making gratuitous, presumptuous remarks about my motivations and intentions which I don't agree with. Perhaps you feel I'm a newcomer and thereby should be deferential in my conversation with old timers here and adopt a civil rather than inflammatory dialogue? Either way I don't agree with that - each poster whether new or old here has an equal right, freedom to conduct a dialogue on topics of their interest here while following the rules of this list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Here's a suggestion: Why don't you talk about Amma and how awful she is rather than about individuals on FFL and how awful they are?
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Outing people is a no-no on FFL. Ravi got thrown out for doing it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: And who knows Mr. Bill I may also know your first and last name and may decide to out it. So learn when to keep your big fucking mouth shut, if you want to act like a retarded child find someone else. Get it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Oh my god, someone please help me find a partner for Mr. Bill, someone he can converse with, someone who is at the same intellectual, emotional, psychological maturity level as Mr. Bill (read someone as intellectually, emotionally, psychologically retarded as Mr. Bill). Mr. Bill - please be aware of the rules for anonymity here. Don't know who Ravioli is but either way it's not cool. Stop acting a retarded,needy child. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: You appear to be unable to submit any message other than an insult. It does not demonstrate a rational mind, as you claim, but rather an adolescent fixation. Not wonder you were easily fooled. You must really be angry at your own naiveté. You must have been kicked off of a number of forums to end up here. Maybe you are really just Ravioli. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You are too emotionally fragile Mr. Bill, don't want to make you more miserable. I don't get much joy beating wimps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: That's it? I gave you an invitation to show us how important and powerful you are. I am giving you a chance to demonstrate something other than braggadocio. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I didn't realize you cry so easily Mr. Bill, how old are you now?
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Let me clarify this issue again since even Judy seems to have gotten confused here. I'm using an pseudonym for a reason, to clearly post anonymously. You may recognize my energy, my writing style but you are not supposed to reveal my first name or any other details. But this dumb retarded motherfucker emptybill seems to have lot of trouble understanding it. He spouts and spews scriptures but lacks the normal maturity and intelligence of an adult and I have always given him a free pass in the past since I understand his disability. He thinks he can indulge in dishonesty like referring me as a troll, telling me that one cannot discuss Amma here, that I have been kicked off other forums and some other retarded bullshit. So I warned him not to use my first name, that I would do the same if he were to continue doing that. But he clearly lacks the intelligence to understand this simple rule of anonymity here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Let me clarify this issue again since even Judy seems to have gotten confused here. I'm using an acronym for a reason, to clearly post anonymously. You may recognize my energy, my writing style but you are not supposed to reveal my first name or any other details. But this dumb retarded motherfucker emptybill seems to have lot of trouble understanding it. He spouts and spews scriptures but lacks the normal maturity and intelligence of an adult and I have always given him a free pass in the past since I understand his disability. He thinks he can indulge in dishonesty like referring me as a troll, telling me that one cannot discuss Amma here, that I have been kicked off other forums and some other retarded bullshit. So I warned him not to use my first name, that I would do the same if he were to continue doing that. But he clearly lacks the intelligence to understand this simple rule of anonymity here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You dumb mother-fucker I have a right to post anonymously. Please stop referring to me as Ravi. May be you think you have a great thing by figuring out who I am - OMG hilarious. Do you get it - you fucking retard? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Ravi! So good to have your insulting presence back on the forum. BTW - Do as you wish. Most of my personal info has already been revealed here. So how is Devi getting along with you? Just be aware that Rick doesn't like your kind of threats and will probably take action excising you from the forum. I don't think he will consider any intercession on my part since he will probably see your antics as anti-forum. Maybe Judy can plead with him on your behalf. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Mr. Bill - let me know if you want to play this game, I have your full name, email, wife's name, when you married, where you live, your FB profile all ready. (In fact it's very easy to find out - but whatever) Bill - next time just stick to the minor league where you belong. It doesn't matter how many scriptures you spew, constantly frothing at your mouth, almost choking on your parroted vomit - you are too emotionally, psychologically retarded to progress to the next level. OK empty baby? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: And who knows Mr. Bill I may also know your first and last name and may decide to out it. So learn when to keep your big fucking mouth shut, if you want to act like a retarded child find someone else. Get it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Oh my god, someone please help me find a partner for Mr. Bill, someone he can converse with, someone who is at the same intellectual, emotional, psychological maturity level as Mr. Bill (read someone as intellectually, emotionally, psychologically retarded as Mr. Bill). Mr. Bill - please be aware of the rules for anonymity here. Don't know who Ravioli is but either way it's not cool. Stop acting a retarded,needy child. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: You appear to be unable to submit any message other than an insult. It does not demonstrate a rational mind, as you claim, but rather an adolescent fixation. Not wonder you were easily fooled. You must really be angry at your own naiveté. You must have been kicked off of a number of forums to end up here. Maybe you are really just Ravioli. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You are too emotionally fragile Mr. Bill, don't want to make you more miserable. I don't get much joy beating wimps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: That's it? I gave you an invitation to show us how important and powerful you are. I am giving you a chance to
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And of course this is very important because Amma somehow champions herself as someone who cares for women and is respected by Western women such. Nothing could be farther from truth. She is no MLK nor can compare herself to any of the activists - that's why the honorary degree she got awarded by SUNY and the Gandhi-King award she received was such a joke, such a sham, a fraud - conning innocent liberals. You can see how Amma is a victim of her village mindset - she systematically abuses Gail. She doesn't care for any physical needs for the women renunciates in her ashram - they are denied proper nutrition, medicines when sick. It's not surprising when you witness Amma's treatement of Gail - if she is so cold and callous twards her personal attendant why would she care about the rest of the women who are at her mercy. Disgusting stuff all this - like I said I was numb for a long time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - by her unsophisticated culture - I meant the male-dominated culture where women are supposed to be deferential to men, women are treated lesser than men, where women are supposed to sacrifice themselves. Amma's behavior towards Gail after she had the hysterectomy was so brutal - extremely cold and callous. Even pigs in factory farms in America may be treated better - I'm exaggerating but you will understand my point. Anyway yeah I agree Amma is very manipulative - so she is psychologically sophisticated in that sense. Yet if not for the power she held over Gail, Gail would have detected it long time back. In fact I could easily empathize with Gail, because I was also subjected to emotional, verbal abuse by my ex (mercifully no physical abuse) who held power over me because I absolutely loved her and was totally vulnerable to her. Anyway it was very distressing to read the book - I was numb for a few days, absolutely shocking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: I agree with what you've said except: Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. While I agree that adulation and power are primary with her at this point and she is clearly abusive, I think she is also quite intelligent and exhibits a certain personality profile which has nothing necessarily to do her being a product of her upbringing and literacy. I wouldn't call her culture or values unsophisticated necessarily either. Interestingly, as a woman in the beginning, she was bucking the norm of male gurus. Reading the storyline of how the organization grew from the beginning to where it was at Gail's exit was also quite interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed - shocking forward by Rick. This is nothing but a vile attack website by Amma org. Gail Tredwell is absolutely sincere and convincing, she shows an amazing lack of any bitterness or anger. The reader of this book will be no doubt influenced by Gail's objectivity. The fact that Gail has taken 14 years to publish this book is clearly reflected - she has spent lot of time healing, processing her emotional, psychological wounds. My innocence is lost - the last I expected was sexual abuse, rape and Amma having sex with the swamis. Of course the most vivid portrayal of Amma in this book was as a serial verbal, physical, emotional and psychological abuser. Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. A must read for anyone who has any interest in Amma. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: The Amma org put this website together and included these stories to discredit Gail - they are in massive attack mode on as many fronts as possible. Rick, come on now. Have you read the book? If so, come on out and state what you think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Rick. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:19 PM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM
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Gail wanted the experience; she was young and searching and exploring the idea of submission and devotion to a guru as a means and path to God. Yes, she fell under Amma's manipulation and power and worked to submit her identity and will and she did lose it for a time and her health in the process, but not quite. The instinct for survival finally kicked in. I couldn't figure out what anyone saw in that video that was posted here by Merdudanda; in my eyes, she sounds like a robot and looked terrible, with bags under her eyes, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hi - by her unsophisticated culture - I meant the male-dominated culture where women are supposed to be deferential to men, women are treated lesser than men, where women are supposed to sacrifice themselves. Amma's behavior towards Gail after she had the hysterectomy was so brutal - extremely cold and callous. Even pigs in factory farms in America may be treated better - I'm exaggerating but you will understand my point. Anyway yeah I agree Amma is very manipulative - so she is psychologically sophisticated in that sense. Yet if not for the power she held over Gail, Gail would have detected it long time back. In fact I could easily empathize with Gail, because I was also subjected to emotional, verbal abuse by my ex (mercifully no physical abuse) who held power over me because I absolutely loved her and was totally vulnerable to her. Anyway it was very distressing to read the book - I was numb for a few days, absolutely shocking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: I agree with what you've said except: Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. While I agree that adulation and power are primary with her at this point and she is clearly abusive, I think she is also quite intelligent and exhibits a certain personality profile which has nothing necessarily to do her being a product of her upbringing and literacy. I wouldn't call her culture or values unsophisticated necessarily either. Interestingly, as a woman in the beginning, she was bucking the norm of male gurus. Reading the storyline of how the organization grew from the beginning to where it was at Gail's exit was also quite interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed - shocking forward by Rick. This is nothing but a vile attack website by Amma org. Gail Tredwell is absolutely sincere and convincing, she shows an amazing lack of any bitterness or anger. The reader of this book will be no doubt influenced by Gail's objectivity. The fact that Gail has taken 14 years to publish this book is clearly reflected - she has spent lot of time healing, processing her emotional, psychological wounds. My innocence is lost - the last I expected was sexual abuse, rape and Amma having sex with the swamis. Of course the most vivid portrayal of Amma in this book was as a serial verbal, physical, emotional and psychological abuser. Amma is absolutely fascinated by the adulation, power very clearly emotionally, psychologically immature, a product of her illiterate, unsophisticated culture and values. A must read for anyone who has any interest in Amma. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote: The Amma org put this website together and included these stories to discredit Gail - they are in massive attack mode on as many fronts as possible. Rick, come on now. Have you read the book? If so, come on out and state what you think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Rick. On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:19 PM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in interesting times
