[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Vaj I say to you, with a big smile on my face: Ya know, Michael, you really could stand to drop the big smile thing when you know you're about to tear somebody (albeit deservedly) into little shreds, at least unless you make it clear it isn't a *friendly* smile but one of anticipation, i.e., that you're looking forward to the tearing process. Otherwise it makes you look very unpleasantly hypocritical, which rather tends to detract from the effectiveness of your tirade. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Big Snip] But one's emotional interpretation depends on what spin you're trying to give it [Big Snip] REASONABLE ESTIMATE: 7750 PEOPLE LEARNED TM IN THE U.S. THIS PAST YEAR Back to our main story: In my original post (and now amended to use the higher initiation num- bers), I went on to take this fact (number of local initiations) and ex- pand upon it: 50 initiations here times 155 similar TM-teaching loca- tions around the country (see www.tm.org) = 7750 people starting TM in the U.S. this past year (not counting the black market initiations). Since the Movement is so good at blowing its own horn -- I think most people would agree they've got it down to a science -- why aren't they talking it up, issuing press releases and telling all the Invincible America course participants about these initiation numbers? Why, at 35+ years on, would the Movement suddenly stop blowing its own horn about the success of the recertified teachers? The Movement has a major credibility issue not only with those who do not follow it any longer, but even the TBs are cynical or at least wary of claims made by the TMO -- even if the claims are true. One case in point: Any idea when those pundits are going to show up in FF? I was recently cleaning out some saved e-mails and found one from Diane Comey announcing: The Pundits Are Coming So where are they? A lot of the faithful who would truly LIKE to be faithful have lost faith and moved on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in response to what Michael Dean Goodman wrote about the number of TM initiations in SE Florida and extrapolating them to make a guess at the number of initiations na- tionally: [big snip of Michael's original post] Toward the end of his post, Michael said: I don't have any reason to believe that my local area is all that different from many other areas with recertified teachers around the country. Vaj replies: It would depend on the area. I have a home there and have lived on and off in the Gold Coast of FL for the last 30 years. It's one of the wealthiest areas of the country. OPENING REMARKS Dear Michael, Do you recall a few weeks ago when Israel started bombing Lebanon and many political pundits from Europe and the Arab world said: Israel may have been justified in attacking Hezbollah but their response is disproportionate? Well, you doth protest too much. Get over it; even if YOUR figures are right about initiations, the numbers SUCK. So don't be so defensive. The TMO is, basically, dead. Now, you and I both as regular TMers may be unhappy about that but going overboard in your defense of a horrible marketing approach on the part of the TMO and MMY (one that's been going on for the better part of the last 25 years) is sad. I'm embarrassed for you. Let it go. Dear Vaj, My general reaction to your clever but feeble attempt to negate my remarks, to do your typical one-upsmanship routine, to create a cloud of words that play upon misunderstanding and misdirection, to mislead people that the num- ber of TM initiations is lower than I intelligently estimated in order to promote your anti-TM agenda - Vaj I say to you, with a big smile on my face: Do you need reading glasses? Or are you from another planet - and English is a remote language for you? Or is your need to manifest negativity toward anything TM so intensely gripping that you'll toss your integrity to the wind? Somehow you pretend you are replying to what I wrote, but it feels like you didn't actually slow down, read it, and take in the obvious meaning. You just used my remarks as a jumping off point to spread negativity, doubt, and misinformation. You are one slippery, dark dude. VAJ CLAIMS HE'S AN EXPERT ON SE FLORIDA - WRONG! Let's actually shine the light of awareness on your reply: 1. You say that you've lived on and off in the Gold Coast of Florida for the last 30 years. I assume you're saying that, in order to establish, as usual, that you are more 'expert' on the topic at hand (the demographics of SE Florida) than I or anyone else, even though I live here full-time, have for years, and I'm a very intelligent person who networks here extensively, regularly travels the whole area, publishes newsletters and creates events throughout the area, and loves paying attention to socio-economic details. So you're going to contradict me, and correct me about local socio- economics? This should be good for a few laughs... Let's have at it. ;) If we actually take a slightly deeper look at your words, you just appear foolish, not 'expert'. This is what I notice about so many of your posts: you have a veneer of expertise, an appearance of knowledge, but it's just smoke and mirrors, just illusion. Poke a little into the words and there's no substance there. Where's the beef? a. By your own words, you admit that you're a snow bird, an on- and- off northern visitor who dabbles at Florida life when it's cold up north, and you admit you live on the Gold Coast. I'm assuming that, like many snow birds, especially those who live along the ocean, that maybe you don't see much of the other 98% of SE Florida, and maybe you inter- act quite a lot with other snow birds and not permanent Floridians... because you seem so ignorant about SE Florida in your remarks here. VAJ CLAIMS SE FLORIDA IS AMONG THE WEALTHIEST AREA'S IN THE U.S. - WRONG! b. My original post was very clear. I wrote about the initiations in a big, 3 county metro area - Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach Counties - running at least 100 miles long by 15 miles wide (1500 sq. miles), encom- passing 6 million people. You couldn't have missed that point. Yet, you cleverly tried to mislead people by pretending that I was talking about the Gold Coast region - a very small, wealthy subsection of the much bigger area that I clearly stated I was describing. The Gold Coast is an expression used down here for an area of prime, super-high- priced land running along or near the ocean, often filled with expensive high rises or mansions, and the most liberal definition would include all the land between the Intercoastal Waterway and the ocean, averaging about 1/2 a mile wide for about 75 of those 100
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Dear Michael, Do you recall a few weeks ago when Israel started bombing Lebanon and many political pundits from Europe and the Arab world said: Israel may have been justified in attacking Hezbollah but their response is disproportionate? Well, you doth protest too much. Get over it; even if YOUR figures are right about initiations, the numbers SUCK. So don't be so defensive. The TMO is, basically, dead. Now, you and I both as regular TMers may be unhappy about that but going overboard in your defense of a horrible marketing approach on the part of the TMO and MMY (one that's been going on for the better part of the last 25 years) is sad. Michael doesn't think the numbers are important, Shemp, remember? The only reason he went through this exercise is to demonstrate that Vaj doesn't know what he's talking about. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: snip Vaj I say to you, with a big smile on my face: Ya know, Michael, you really could stand to drop the big smile thing when you know you're about to tear somebody (albeit deservedly) into little shreds, at least unless you make it clear it isn't a *friendly* smile but one of anticipation, i.e., that you're looking forward to the tearing process. Otherwise it makes you look very unpleasantly hypocritical, which rather tends to detract from the effectiveness of your tirade. Shit-eating grin might have been more accurate... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: [Big Snip] But one's emotional interpretation depends on what spin you're trying to give it [Big Snip] REASONABLE ESTIMATE: 7750 PEOPLE LEARNED TM IN THE U.S. THIS PAST YEAR Actutally, I think Michael's analysis had one glaring error: the vast majority of the people who learned TM in SE Florida probably came from the tiny segment in the richest part, which is MMY's stated intent anyway. To estimate how many initiations there have been in the past year, estimate the number of filthy rich or at least soiled rich in the area, and go from there. [...] One case in point: Any idea when those pundits are going to show up in FF? I was recently cleaning out some saved e-mails and found one from Diane Comey announcing: The Pundits Are Coming So where are they? A lot of the faithful who would truly LIKE to be faithful have lost faith and moved on. MMY's plans for Vedic City call for it to become the Hindu Mecca of the USA. The pundits will certainly get there ASAP, but who can say when that will be. We're talking Maharishi Time here, and who nows how the Timeless measures time? Did the world get created in 7 days, or 7 eons? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: [Big Snip] But one's emotional interpretation depends on what spin you're trying to give it [Big Snip] REASONABLE ESTIMATE: 7750 PEOPLE LEARNED TM IN THE U.S. THIS PAST YEAR Actutally, I think Michael's analysis had one glaring error: the vast majority of the people who learned TM in SE Florida probably came from the tiny segment in the richest part, which is MMY's stated intent anyway. To estimate how many initiations there have been in the past year, estimate the number of filthy rich or at least soiled rich in the area, and go from there. [...] One case in point: Any idea when those pundits are going to show up in FF? I was recently cleaning out some saved e-mails and found one from Diane Comey announcing: The Pundits Are Coming So where are they? A lot of the faithful who would truly LIKE to be faithful have lost faith and moved on. MMY's plans for Vedic City call for it to become the Hindu Mecca of the USA. The pundits will certainly get there ASAP, but who can say when that will be. We're talking Maharishi Time here, and who nows how the Timeless measures time? Did the world get created in 7 days, or 7 eons? literally in the blink of an eye. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: [Big Snip] But one's emotional interpretation depends on what spin you're trying to give it [Big Snip] REASONABLE ESTIMATE: 7750 PEOPLE LEARNED TM IN THE U.S. THIS PAST YEAR I think you're about 7,000 people too high. Back to our main story: In my original post (and now amended to use the higher initiation num- bers), I went on to take this fact (number of local initiations) and ex- pand upon it: 50 initiations here times 155 similar TM-teaching loca- tions around the country (see www.tm.org) = 7750 people starting TM in the U.S. this past year (not counting the black market initiations). Since the Movement is so good at blowing its own horn -- I think most people would agree they've got it down to a science -- why aren't they talking it up, issuing press releases and telling all the Invincible America course participants about these initiation numbers? Why, at 35+ years on, would the Movement suddenly stop blowing its own horn about the success of the recertified teachers? The Movement has a major credibility issue not only with those who do not follow it any longer, but even the TBs are cynical or at least wary of claims made by the TMO -- even if the claims are true. One case in point: Any idea when those pundits are going to show up in FF? I was recently cleaning out some saved e-mails and found one from Diane Comey announcing: The Pundits Are Coming So where are they? A lot of the faithful who would truly LIKE to be faithful have lost faith and moved on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
