[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: [...] There seems to be almost paranormal aspects in the sound of famous musicians. This might be just an urban legend, but I've heard it claimed, that B.B.King asking Hendrix, Where do all those sounds come he from?, the latter replied: I don't know! :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvzZ79dC-Gg Musicians can get into the flow just like athletes. L Yep, I've got there a couple of times, whilst playing drums (real acoustic drums, TAMA Royal Star, which I don't have any more). It's a weird and funny feeling, as if you are doing nothing, just watching your limbs to move in rhythm, more or less... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
You could be right - this post is also sublime on a misty Monday morning. From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related Actually I was pretty positive that it wasn't Segovia playing that and the consensus online is that it is a fake. Segovia never recorded Greensleeves and certainly would never have allowed that recording to have his name on it. To be honest, *I* could play better than that with only a few years to get my fingers back in shape. Here is Segovia *casually* demonstrating the different sounds of the guitar and how they are played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrEl4Nsmsg and here is segovia conducting a Master class. Note that the *student* sounds infinitely better than that recording of Greensleeves. Note also that Segovia casually starts playing along with him. Note the clarity of every note from both student and teacher... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhqqEfiO3Q No-one who sounded like that recording could have even passed the first screening to be taught by Segovia. Lawson (whose first teacher DID attend a Segovia master class. I once sat next to Pepe Romero when he was conducting a master class at the U of AZ 29 years ago and discussed simple finger exercises with him after the class).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
This is a strange organization you belong to Buck. While I appreciate the larger altruistic intentions put forward by the org in their many forms, I could never tie myself to it too closely as the judgment patterns exhibited abound too heavily for my taste. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related What a nice tune to wake to. It's a meditation in itself. Fairfield has had an English Country Dance for years most every Friday nite with music like this. http://fairfolk.org/ Remembering, the English Country Dance group of meditators danced, played music and performed on MIU campus for years earlier on. Built a large wooden dance floor in the student Union basement. Then some members got banned from the Domes and banned from playing music on campus for having seen some saints. The group had to take their activities off campus as some TM-TB'ers of the group even shunned these other members of the group. The group has not been back to campus since. That was about a dozen or so years ago. Some of the banned people have not yet been back meditating in the Domes since. The bannings generated some really bad feelings. Though meditators all, some of the hardercore TM-TB'ers still won't come out and dance with the group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Paco de Lucia: Entre dos Aguas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o8vszqVL2U Yeah. I watched the Passion, Grace and FIre concert (Lucia, diMiola and McLaughlen) with a bunch of people from the U of AZ guitar dept. One comment stuck in my mind: they've proved they are all mutants [because of their speed]. We all agreed they were outstanding performers but from *OUR* perspective it got kinda old to hear nothing but fast [that could only be played by mutants] riffs over and over. Real musicians appreciate subtlety. L I wonder, how much does it mean, that as a marquis, Segovia perhaps could afford highest quality instruments? Well, the price tag might not always be the most important feature of an instrument. Had Hendrix used, say, a Gibson SG instead of Fender Stratocaster (as I understand it, lacking humbucker pick-ups), he might not have become such an overnight sensation... LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: [...] I wonder, how much does it mean, that as a marquis, Segovia perhaps could afford highest quality instruments? Well, the price tag might not always be the most important feature of an instrument. Had Hendrix used, say, a Gibson SG instead of Fender Stratocaster (as I understand it, lacking humbucker pick-ups), he might not have become such an overnight sensation... LoL! I seem to recall Segovia's first concert instrument was a rental. He approached the best guitar maker i the city and asked if he could rent it for his first concert. IIRC, the guitar maker was so impressed by Segovia's request that he didn't charge him anything. An excellent guitar makes it easier for a master to bring out the best sound, but it is probably wasted on a lesser talent. Past a certain point, you just don't have the skills to even appreciate what a good instrument is, letalone what it can do. That said, I'm happing with my guitar. L. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: [...] I wonder, how much does it mean, that as a marquis, Segovia perhaps could afford highest quality instruments? Well, the price tag might not always be the most important feature of an instrument. Had Hendrix used, say, a Gibson SG instead of Fender Stratocaster (as I understand it, lacking humbucker pick-ups), he might not have become such an overnight sensation... LoL! I seem to recall Segovia's first concert instrument was a rental. He approached the best guitar maker i the city and asked if he could rent it for his first concert. IIRC, the guitar maker was so impressed by Segovia's request that he didn't charge him anything. An excellent guitar makes it easier for a master to bring out the best sound, but it is probably wasted on a lesser talent. Past a certain point, you just don't have the skills to even appreciate what a good instrument is, letalone what it can do. That said, I'm happing with my guitar. L. L There seems to be almost paranormal aspects in the sound of famous musicians. This might be just an urban legend, but I've heard it claimed, that B.B.King asking Hendrix, Where do all those sounds come he from?, the latter replied: I don't know! :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvzZ79dC-Gg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: [...] There seems to be almost paranormal aspects in the sound of famous musicians. This might be just an urban legend, but I've heard it claimed, that B.B.King asking Hendrix, Where do all those sounds come he from?, the latter replied: I don't know! :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvzZ79dC-Gg Musicians can get into the flow just like athletes. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related What a nice tune to wake to. It's a meditation in itself. Fairfield has had an English Country Dance for years most every Friday nite with music like this. http://fairfolk.org/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related Actually I was pretty positive that it wasn't Segovia playing that and the consensus online is that it is a fake. Segovia never recorded Greensleeves and certainly would never have allowed that recording to have his name on it. To be honest, *I* could play better than that with only a few years to get my fingers back in shape. Here is Segovia *casually* demonstrating the different sounds of the guitar and how they are played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrEl4Nsmsg and here is segovia conducting a Master class. Note that the *student* sounds infinitely better than that recording of Greensleeves. Note also that Segovia casually starts playing along with him. Note the clarity of every note from both student and teacher... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhqqEfiO3Q No-one who sounded like that recording could have even passed the first screening to be taught by Segovia. Lawson (whose first teacher DID attend a Segovia master class. I once sat next to Pepe Romero when he was conducting a master class at the U of AZ 29 years ago and discussed simple finger exercises with him after the class).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related Actually I was pretty positive that it wasn't Segovia playing that and the consensus online is that it is a fake. Segovia never recorded Greensleeves and certainly would never have allowed that recording to have his name on it. To be honest, *I* could play better than that with only a few years to get my fingers back in shape. Here is Segovia *casually* demonstrating the different sounds of the guitar and how they are played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrEl4Nsmsg and here is segovia conducting a Master class. Note that the *student* sounds infinitely better than that recording of Greensleeves. Note also that Segovia casually starts playing along with him. Note the clarity of every note from both student and teacher... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhqqEfiO3Q No-one who sounded like that recording could have even passed the first screening to be taught by Segovia. Lawson (whose first teacher DID attend a Segovia master class. I once sat next to Pepe Romero when he was conducting a master class at the U of AZ 29 years ago and discussed simple finger exercises with him after the class). Lawson, This has to be one of the most sparkling and fascinating and beautiful posts I have ever read (and listened to) at FFL. It is early Saturday morning here in Toronto, but I already feel I have learned something about Creation I never knew before. Thank you. Robin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related What a nice tune to wake to. It's a meditation in itself. Fairfield has had an English Country Dance for years most every Friday nite with music like this. http://fairfolk.org/ Remembering, the English Country Dance group of meditators danced, played music and performed on MIU campus for years earlier on. Built a large wooden dance floor in the student Union basement. Then some members got banned from the Domes and banned from playing music on campus for having seen some saints. The group had to take their activities off campus as some TM-TB'ers of the group even shunned these other members of the group. The group has not been back to campus since. That was about a dozen or so years ago. Some of the banned people have not yet been back meditating in the Domes since. The bannings generated some really bad feelings. Though meditators all, some of the hardercore TM-TB'ers still won't come out and dance with the group.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
Thanks for your line in defense of Sergovia and the link which include his famous quotes: With the guitar, it is not so much listening to music as it is dreaming with music... Guitar is a small orchestra, an orchestra seen through the wrong end of a pair of binoculars. Allow me to add some more: The guitar is the instrument a man plays when he wishes to express his heart to a woman. If there is an infidelity, then the man plays the 'cello to his friend. If the friend is implicated in this infidelity, then the man plays the organ to express his sorrow to God... When one puts up a building one makes an elaborate scaffold to get everything into its proper place. But when one takes the scaffold down, the building must stand by itself with no trace of the means by which it was erected. That is how a musician should work. Seems to me a foolish dream that You can't explain why you do what you do You wake up from dreaming with music in your head You remember singing a chord every time you felt bad? Somehow it got me, too- through You can knock off the harps. We got Sergovia --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related Actually I was pretty positive that it wasn't Segovia playing that and the consensus online is that it is a fake. Segovia never recorded Greensleeves and certainly would never have allowed that recording to have his name on it. To be honest, *I* could play better than that with only a few years to get my fingers back in shape. Here is Segovia *casually* demonstrating the different sounds of the guitar and how they are played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrEl4Nsmsg and here is segovia conducting a Master class. Note that the *student* sounds infinitely better than that recording of Greensleeves. Note also that Segovia casually starts playing along with him. Note the clarity of every note from both student and teacher... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhqqEfiO3Q No-one who sounded like that recording could have even passed the first screening to be taught by Segovia. Lawson (whose first teacher DID attend a Segovia master class. I once sat next to Pepe Romero when he was conducting a master class at the U of AZ 29 years ago and discussed simple finger exercises with him after the class).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
Thanks for your line in defense of Segovia and the link which include his famous quotes: With the guitar, it is not so much listening to music as it is dreaming with music... Guitar is a small orchestra, an orchestra seen through the wrong end of a pair of binoculars. Allow me to add some more: The guitar is the instrument a man plays when he wishes to express his heart to a woman. If there is an infidelity, then the man plays the 'cello to his friend. If the friend is implicated in this infidelity, then the man plays the organ to express his sorrow to God... When one puts up a building one makes an elaborate scaffold to get everything into its proper place. But when one takes the scaffold down, the building must stand by itself with no trace of the means by which it was erected. That is how a musician should work. Seems to me a foolish dream that You can't explain why you do what you do You wake up from dreaming with music in your head You remember singing a chord every time you felt bad? Somehow it got me through, too- You can knock off the harps. We got Segovia --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related Actually I was pretty positive that it wasn't Segovia playing that and the consensus online is that it is a fake. Segovia never recorded Greensleeves and certainly would never have allowed that recording to have his name on it. To be honest, *I* could play better than that with only a few years to get my fingers back in shape. Here is Segovia *casually* demonstrating the different sounds of the guitar and how they are played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrEl4Nsmsg and here is segovia conducting a Master class. Note that the *student* sounds infinitely better than that recording of Greensleeves. Note also that Segovia casually starts playing along with him. Note the clarity of every note from both student and teacher... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhqqEfiO3Q No-one who sounded like that recording could have even passed the first screening to be taught by Segovia. Lawson (whose first teacher DID attend a Segovia master class. I once sat next to Pepe Romero when he was conducting a master class at the U of AZ 29 years ago and discussed simple finger exercises with him after the class). Lawson, This has to be one of the most sparkling and fascinating and beautiful posts I have ever read (and listened to) at FFL. It is early Saturday morning here in Toronto, but I already feel I have learned something about Creation I never knew before. Thank you. Robin
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
On Jul 14, 2012, at 9:00 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_g7H6DN68feature=related Actually I was pretty positive that it wasn't Segovia playing that and the consensus online is that it is a fake. Segovia never recorded Greensleeves and certainly would never have allowed that recording to have his name on it. To be honest, *I* could play better than that with only a few years to get my fingers back in shape. Here is Segovia *casually* demonstrating the different sounds of the guitar and how they are played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrEl4Nsmsg and here is segovia conducting a Master class. Note that the *student* sounds infinitely better than that recording of Greensleeves. Note also that Segovia casually starts playing along with him. Note the clarity of every note from both student and teacher... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMhqqEfiO3Q No-one who sounded like that recording could have even passed the first screening to be taught by Segovia. I’ve seen Segovia live and trained under his method, there’s no way in hell this is the maestro.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I�ve seen Segovia live and trained under his method, there�s no way in hell this is the maestro. When I was stationed in England, Segovia was giving a concert in a little church a few dozen miles from where I lived. I paid the highest price for the tickets (13 pounds) and sat in the front row with my knees pressed against the stairs leading to the minister's podium. I literally could have raised my hand and touched his as he mounted the stairs. I sat about 5-6 feet from him for 2 hours. I even accidentally got to shake his hand after the concert and babble thank you over and over. He finally caught my eye and nodded and I let go. It was one of the biggest nights of my life as, at that time, I was playing guitar every moment I could, even while at work on the weekend shift when I was the only computer operator on duty. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
Paco de Lucia: Entre dos Aguas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o8vszqVL2U
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
On Jul 14, 2012, at 4:14 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I�ve seen Segovia live and trained under his method, there�s no way in hell this is the maestro. When I was stationed in England, Segovia was giving a concert in a little church a few dozen miles from where I lived. I paid the highest price for the tickets (13 pounds) and sat in the front row with my knees pressed against the stairs leading to the minister's podium. I literally could have raised my hand and touched his as he mounted the stairs. I sat about 5-6 feet from him for 2 hours. I even accidentally got to shake his hand after the concert and babble thank you over and over. He finally caught my eye and nodded and I let go. It was one of the biggest nights of my life as, at that time, I was playing guitar every moment I could, even while at work on the weekend shift when I was the only computer operator on duty. I’d always seen him at the Philadelphia Academy of Music, which is like the Carnegie Hall of Philly - impeccable acoustics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Paco de Lucia: Entre dos Aguas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o8vszqVL2U Yeah. I watched the Passion, Grace and FIre concert (Lucia, diMiola and McLaughlen) with a bunch of people from the U of AZ guitar dept. One comment stuck in my mind: they've proved they are all mutants [because of their speed]. We all agreed they were outstanding performers but from *OUR* perspective it got kinda old to hear nothing but fast [that could only be played by mutants] riffs over and over. Real musicians appreciate subtlety. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Andres Segovia - Greensleeves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 14, 2012, at 4:14 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I�ve seen Segovia live and trained under his method, there�s no way in hell this is the maestro. When I was stationed in England, Segovia was giving a concert in a little church a few dozen miles from where I lived. I paid the highest price for the tickets (13 pounds) and sat in the front row with my knees pressed against the stairs leading to the minister's podium. I literally could have raised my hand and touched his as he mounted the stairs. I sat about 5-6 feet from him for 2 hours. I even accidentally got to shake his hand after the concert and babble thank you over and over. He finally caught my eye and nodded and I let go. It was one of the biggest nights of my life as, at that time, I was playing guitar every moment I could, even while at work on the weekend shift when I was the only computer operator on duty. I�d always seen him at the Philadelphia Academy of Music, which is like the Carnegie Hall of Philly - impeccable acoustics. No acoustics to speak of in this place. It was the village church with seating for perhaps 100 people total (not counting the 20 sitting int eh choir box behind him who only paid a couple of pounds. Every time he bowed he tottered around slightly so he could nod to the people sitting behind him -a gentleman of the old school). L.
