[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English, and I think > people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English > and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English." > > This is the full quote, which can easily be heard if you turn on the > TV. The issue here isn't really english-spanish, but the hypocrisy of > a politician who used to regularly sing the national anthem in spanish > at hispanic rallys saying the above with a straight face. > ** And besides the gross hypocrisy (big surprise!) Dumbya shows how really clueless he is once again, since his own State Dept. lists several versions of the Natl Anthem at its web site, according to today's Washington Post: Administration Is Singing More Than One Tune on Spanish Version of Anthem By Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, May 3, 2006; Page A06 President Bush declared last week that the national anthem should be sung in English not Spanish, but he evidently never told his own government or campaign organizations. The State Department posts four Spanish versions of "The Star-Spangled Banner" on its Web site, and accounts from the 2000 election suggest that the song was at times performed in Spanish at Bush campaign events. Critics even turned up one reference to Bush himself singing the anthem in Spanish on the trail, but there was no confirmation. The furor over a newly released Spanish version of the anthem has underscored once again the power of symbols in American politics. At a time when the immigration debate in Washington has divided Republicans on Capitol Hill, drawn hundreds of thousands of protesters into the streets and triggered a nationwide boycott, all sides are scrutinizing the words and records of the president and other politicians for signs of inconsistency. Bush waded into the matter last week after British producer Adam Kidron issued " Nuestro Himno ." Responding to a reporter, Bush said: "I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English. And I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English, and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English." But Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice chose not to repeat his formulation Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation." "I've heard the national anthem done in rap versions, country versions, classical versions," she said. "The individualization of the American national anthem is quite underway." And there seems little evidence that the matter had concerned Bush before. The Center for American Progress, a liberal group run by Clinton chief of staff John D. Podesta, posted on its blog a reference to Bush singing the anthem in Spanish. In his book, "American Dynasty," Kevin Phillips wrote that Bush "would drop in at Hispanic festivals and parties, sometimes joining in singing 'The Star-Spangled Banner' in Spanish, sometimes partying with a 'Viva Bush' mariachi band flown in from Texas." White House spokesmen and former campaign operatives said they could not recall whether that happened, though given the level of Bush's Spanish proficiency, they seemed dubious. "Honestly, I don't remember him ever singing the national anthem in Spanish," said Leonard Rodriguez, who was national director of Hispanic Coalition for Bush/Cheney 2000. "I can't see any of his advisers recommending it." But he added: "They may have played it. That's certainly in the realm of possibility." And Rodriguez said he does not recall Bush ever objecting to it. The Center for American Progress also cited a news report that the anthem was performed in Spanish by singer Jon Secada at a 2001 inauguration event, but Bush aides and most news accounts said he actually sang a Spanish version of "America the Beautiful." Secada later performed "The Star-Spangled Banner" at the White House, in May 2001, but in English, according to the White House. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
on 5/3/06 1:58 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This is the full quote, which can easily be heard if you turn on the > TV. The issue here isn't really english-spanish, but the hypocrisy of > a politician who used to regularly sing the national anthem in spanish > at hispanic rallys saying the above with a straight face. Even in English many people don't know the lyrics. Does anyone on this list know anything beyond the first verse? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Turns out a Spanish rendition of the National Anthem > > > > > > was a staple of Bush's appearances in his first > > > > > > presidential campaign, sometimes sung by others, > > > > > > sometimes by Bush himself. And the Spanish version > > > > > > was performed for him at his first inaugural. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, Bush doesn't say above that the national anthem > > > > > should ONLY be sung in English. > > > > > > > > Read it again, Shemp. > > > > > > I did, Judy, and although the reporting says that, that isn't > what > > > is in quotes. Read what I wrote, Judy: "...Bush doesn't say > > > above..." indicating quotes. > > > > "The national anthem should be sung in English--not > > Spanish--President Bush declared Friday" is what's > > called an "indirect quote," Shemp. > > > > > And, of course, you should realize that reporters often get > stuff > > > like this wrong. > > > > Every report I've seen of this press conference, from > > at least a dozen different media sources, understood > > his remarks that way. It's hard to understand them > > any differently. > > > > And here's another *direct* quote, from the NYTimes > > account: > > > > "Asked at a news briefing in the Rose Garden on Friday whether he > > believed the anthem would have the same value in Spanish as it did > in > > English, Mr. Bush said flatly, 'No, I don't.'" > I now understand why you get so much wrong, Judy. You simply don't > understand the English language and/or your innate prejudices make > you misunderstand what you read. > > Of COURSE, singing the anthem in Spanish doesn't have the same value > as singing it in English...BUT that's not the same thing as saying > that it shouldn't be sung in Spanish. > > Read it all again, Judy, VERY slowly. > > And, hey, reconsider your "indirect" quote comment because this is > at the heart of your confusion. "I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English, and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English." This is the full quote, which can easily be heard if you turn on the TV. The issue here isn't really english-spanish, but the hypocrisy of a politician who used to regularly sing the national anthem in spanish at hispanic rallys saying the above with a straight face. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > Turns out a Spanish rendition of the National Anthem > > > > > was a staple of Bush's appearances in his first > > > > > presidential campaign, sometimes sung by others, > > > > > sometimes by Bush himself. And the Spanish version > > > > > was performed for him at his first inaugural. > > > > > > > > Of course, Bush doesn't say above that the national anthem > > > > should ONLY be sung in English. > > > > > > Read it again, Shemp. > > > > I did, Judy, and although the reporting says that, that isn't what > > is in quotes. Read what I wrote, Judy: "...Bush doesn't say > > above..." indicating quotes. > > "The national anthem should be sung in English--not > Spanish--President Bush declared Friday" is what's > called an "indirect quote," Shemp. > > > And, of course, you should realize that reporters often get stuff > > like this wrong. > > Every report I've seen of this press conference, from > at least a dozen different media sources, understood > his remarks that way. It's hard to understand them > any differently. > > And here's another *direct* quote, from the NYTimes > account: > > "Asked at a news briefing in the Rose Garden on Friday whether he > believed the anthem would have the same value in Spanish as it did in > English, Mr. Bush said flatly, 'No, I don't.'" I now understand why you get so much wrong, Judy. You simply don't understand the English language and/or your innate prejudices make you misunderstand what you read. Of COURSE, singing the anthem in Spanish doesn't have the same value as singing it in English...BUT that's not the same thing as saying that it shouldn't be sung in Spanish. Read it all again, Judy, VERY slowly. And, hey, reconsider your "indirect" quote comment because this is at the heart of your confusion. > > So if he thinks it has less value sung in Spanish, > why did he have it sung in Spanish at his first > inauguration and his campaign appearances and even > sing it himself in Spanish? Was he suggesting that > his allegiance to this country wasn't as great as > that of people who prefer the anthem in English? > > Now would you like to comment on his hypocrisy, or > are you going to continue to try to wiggle out of > the obvious? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > Turns out a Spanish rendition of the National Anthem > > > > was a staple of Bush's appearances in his first > > > > presidential campaign, sometimes sung by others, > > > > sometimes by Bush himself. And the Spanish version > > > > was performed for him at his first inaugural. > > > > > > Of course, Bush doesn't say above that the national anthem > > > should ONLY be sung in English. > > > > Read it again, Shemp. > > I did, Judy, and although the reporting says that, that isn't what > is in quotes. Read what I wrote, Judy: "...Bush doesn't say > above..." indicating quotes. "The national anthem should be sung in English--not Spanish--President Bush declared Friday" is what's called an "indirect quote," Shemp. > And, of course, you should realize that reporters often get stuff > like this wrong. Every report I've seen of this press conference, from at least a dozen different media sources, understood his remarks that way. It's hard to understand them any differently. And here's another *direct* quote, from the NYTimes account: "Asked at a news briefing in the Rose Garden on Friday whether he believed the anthem would have the same value in Spanish as it did in English, Mr. Bush said flatly, 'No, I don't.'" So if he thinks it has less value sung in Spanish, why did he have it sung in Spanish at his first inauguration and his campaign appearances and even sing it himself in Spanish? Was he suggesting that his allegiance to this country wasn't as great as that of people who prefer the anthem in English? Now would you like to comment on his hypocrisy, or are you going to continue to try to wiggle out of the obvious? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > Not the biggest issue confronting this country at > > > the moment, but a transparently clear example of > > > Bush's propensity for extraordinary hypocrisy: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Bush Says Anthem Should Be in English > > > > Apr 28 1:03 PM US/Eastern > > > > > > > > By JEANNINE AVERSA > > > > AP Economics Writer > > > > > > > > WASHINGTON > > > > > > > > The national anthem should be sung in English _ not Spanish _ > > > > President Bush declared Friday, amid growing restlessness over > > the > > > > millions of immigrants here illegally. > > > > > > > When the president was asked at a Rose Garden question-and- > > answer > > > > session whether the anthem should be sung in Spanish, he > > > > replied: "I think the national anthem ought to be sung in > > English, > > > > and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country > > ought > > > > to learn English and they ought to learn to sing the national > > > > anthem in English." > > > > > > Turns out a Spanish rendition of the National Anthem > > > was a staple of Bush's appearances in his first > > > presidential campaign, sometimes sung by others, > > > sometimes by Bush himself. And the Spanish version > > > was performed for him at his first inaugural. > > > > Of course, Bush doesn't say above that the national anthem should > > ONLY be sung in English. > > Read it again, Shemp. I did, Judy, and although the reporting says that, that isn't what is in quotes. Read what I wrote, Judy: "...Bush doesn't say above..." indicating quotes. And, of course, you should realize that reporters often get stuff like this wrong. > > > My problem with what Bush said was that I believe he has an > > obligation first and foremost to uphold the constitution and that > > the appropriate first thing to say was: freedom of speech includes > > the freedom to speak the language of your choice. After that, if > he > > felt that, as a leader, he should recommend that people learn > > English and all that, then fine. > > Yes, you said that when you first posted the article. > > Now, after you read it again and get it right about > what he said, would you like to comment on his > hypocrisy? > I will once it is shown to me that he said what you suggested he said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > Not the biggest issue confronting this country at > > the moment, but a transparently clear example of > > Bush's propensity for extraordinary hypocrisy: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > Bush Says Anthem Should Be in English > > > Apr 28 1:03 PM US/Eastern > > > > > > By JEANNINE AVERSA > > > AP Economics Writer > > > > > > WASHINGTON > > > > > > The national anthem should be sung in English _ not Spanish _ > > > President Bush declared Friday, amid growing restlessness over > the > > > millions of immigrants here illegally. > > > > > When the president was asked at a Rose Garden question-and- > answer > > > session whether the anthem should be sung in Spanish, he > > > replied: "I think the national anthem ought to be sung in > English, > > > and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country > ought > > > to learn English and they ought to learn to sing the national > > > anthem in English." > > > > Turns out a Spanish rendition of the National Anthem > > was a staple of Bush's appearances in his first > > presidential campaign, sometimes sung by others, > > sometimes by Bush himself. And the Spanish version > > was performed for him at his first inaugural. > > Of course, Bush doesn't say above that the national anthem should > ONLY be sung in English. Read it again, Shemp. > My problem with what Bush said was that I believe he has an > obligation first and foremost to uphold the constitution and that > the appropriate first thing to say was: freedom of speech includes > the freedom to speak the language of your choice. After that, if he > felt that, as a leader, he should recommend that people learn > English and all that, then fine. Yes, you said that when you first posted the article. Now, after you read it again and get it right about what he said, would you like to comment on his hypocrisy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bush Says Anthem Should Be in English Audio of "Nuestro Himno," "Our Anthem": http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_entertainment/anthem/anthem. mp3 It's been awhile since I got all teary hearing the National Anthem. I don't know about the words, not being a Spanish speaker, but musically, this is gorgeous. And it's obviously heartfelt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure that the majority of you think > > I'm > > > a > > > > > big > > > > > > > > mouth > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > claims to be all-knowing on any subject under > the > > > sun, > > > > > the > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > I WILL claim to be an expert on is language > rights > > > and > > > > > how > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > pertain to freedom of speech and freedom of > > > _expression_ > > > > > > (this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > because I am a Canadian who dealt on a political > > > level > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > language > > > > > > > > > > > issues in that officially bilingual country). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the one thing I will say to you is: the > > language > > > > you > > > > > > > speak > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > free choice that lies at the heart of protected > > > speech > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > first amendment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course Bush is NOT saying that a law should > be > > > > passed > > > > > > > > > requiring > > > > > > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English and, > > > > > certainly, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > leader he can certainly suggest to people how > they > > > can > > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > > their free choice in speech...BUT, as a sworn > > > defender > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > constitution, he has, I believe, a moral > obligation > > > to > > > > > > > REMIND > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > that language and CHOICE of language is, indeed, > > > > > protected > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > > speech. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent point, Shemp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But he didn't, and he won't. And I'll bet you a > buck > > > > > > > > > > when some clown comes up with legislation to > require > > > > > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English, he'll > > > > > > > > > > support it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's already in enough trouble with his right-wing > > > > > > > > > > constituency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be interesting to see how the left-wing > reacts > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > well. It has been my experience that the left-wing > is > > > as > > > > > > > clueless > > > > > > > > > as the right-wing when it comes to the question of > > > language. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The left, of course, supports singing the National > > > > > > > > Anthem in Spanish and finds the objections to it > > > > > > > > ludicrous and offensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and this was a policy resolution recently passed at > the > > > > > Official > > > > > > > Leftists of America convention held when? Where? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you hallucinating again, Shemp? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must be because you state above that "the left...supports > > > singing > > > > > the National Anthem in Spanish." Is this official policy or > > are > > > > > you, Judy, hallucinating that that is some sort of official > > > policy > > > > > of the Left? > > > > > > > > Can you tell me where I said anything about "official > > > > policy," Shemp? > > > > > > Who, then, were you speaking for when you made such a > declaration? > > > > > > Oh, it wasn't "the Left"? > > > > > > You mean you were speaking just for yourself? > > > > > > Now I understand. Okay, so it was just like your mixed-up use > of > > > the word "media". Thanks, I understand now. > > > > Ya know, Shemp, you were just chiding Barry for > > "embellishing." You ought t
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure that the majority of you think > I'm > > a > > > > big > > > > > > > mouth > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > claims to be all-knowing on any subject under the > > sun, > > > > the > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > I WILL claim to be an expert on is language rights > > and > > > > how > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > pertain to freedom of speech and freedom of > > _expression_ > > > > > (this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > because I am a Canadian who dealt on a political > > level > > > > with > > > > > > > > > language > > > > > > > > > > issues in that officially bilingual country). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the one thing I will say to you is: the > language > > > you > > > > > > speak > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > free choice that lies at the heart of protected > > speech > > > > > under > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > first amendment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course Bush is NOT saying that a law should be > > > passed > > > > > > > > requiring > > > > > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English and, > > > > certainly, > > > > > as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > leader he can certainly suggest to people how they > > can > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > their free choice in speech...BUT, as a sworn > > defender > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > constitution, he has, I believe, a moral obligation > > to > > > > > > REMIND > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > that language and CHOICE of language is, indeed, > > > > protected > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > speech. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent point, Shemp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But he didn't, and he won't. And I'll bet you a buck > > > > > > > > > when some clown comes up with legislation to require > > > > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English, he'll > > > > > > > > > support it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's already in enough trouble with his right-wing > > > > > > > > > constituency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be interesting to see how the left-wing reacts > > to > > > > this > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > well. It has been my experience that the left-wing is > > as > > > > > > clueless > > > > > > > > as the right-wing when it comes to the question of > > language. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The left, of course, supports singing the National > > > > > > > Anthem in Spanish and finds the objections to it > > > > > > > ludicrous and offensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and this was a policy resolution recently passed at the > > > > Official > > > > > > Leftists of America convention held when? Where? > > > > > > > > > > Are you hallucinating again, Shemp? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must be because you state above that "the left...supports > > singing > > > > the National Anthem in Spanish." Is this official policy or > are > > > > you, Judy, hallucinating that that is some sort of official > > policy > > > > of the Left? > > > > > > Can you tell me where I said anything about "official > > > policy," Shemp? > > > > Who, then, were you speaking for when you made such a declaration? > > > > Oh, it wasn't "the Left"? > > > > You mean you were speaking just for yourself? > > > > Now I understand. Okay, so it was just like your mixed-up use of > > the word "media". Thanks, I understand now. > > Ya know, Shemp, you were just chiding Barry for > "embellishing." You ought to think about practicing > what you preach, because you do almost as much > fantasizing as he does. > We can reproduce the Wikipedia definitions of "media" here if you like, Judith (of course, in the context of your original post, not later posts, on the subject). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and clic
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure that the majority of you think I'm > a > > > big > > > > > > mouth > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > claims to be all-knowing on any subject under the > sun, > > > the > > > > > one > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > I WILL claim to be an expert on is language rights > and > > > how > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > pertain to freedom of speech and freedom of > _expression_ > > > > (this > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > because I am a Canadian who dealt on a political > level > > > with > > > > > > > > language > > > > > > > > > issues in that officially bilingual country). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the one thing I will say to you is: the language > > you > > > > > speak > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > free choice that lies at the heart of protected > speech > > > > under > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > first amendment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course Bush is NOT saying that a law should be > > passed > > > > > > > requiring > > > > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English and, > > > certainly, > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > leader he can certainly suggest to people how they > can > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > their free choice in speech...BUT, as a sworn > defender > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > constitution, he has, I believe, a moral obligation > to > > > > > REMIND > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > that language and CHOICE of language is, indeed, > > > protected > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > speech. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent point, Shemp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But he didn't, and he won't. And I'll bet you a buck > > > > > > > > when some clown comes up with legislation to require > > > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English, he'll > > > > > > > > support it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's already in enough trouble with his right-wing > > > > > > > > constituency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be interesting to see how the left-wing reacts > to > > > this > > > > > as > > > > > > > well. It has been my experience that the left-wing is > as > > > > > clueless > > > > > > > as the right-wing when it comes to the question of > language. > > > > > > > > > > > > The left, of course, supports singing the National > > > > > > Anthem in Spanish and finds the objections to it > > > > > > ludicrous and offensive. > > > > > > > > > > ...and this was a policy resolution recently passed at the > > > Official > > > > > Leftists of America convention held when? Where? > > > > > > > > Are you hallucinating again, Shemp? > > > > > > > > > > I must be because you state above that "the left...supports > singing > > > the National Anthem in Spanish." Is this official policy or are > > > you, Judy, hallucinating that that is some sort of official > policy > > > of the Left? > > > > Can you tell me where I said anything about "official > > policy," Shemp? > > Who, then, were you speaking for when you made such a declaration? > > Oh, it wasn't "the Left"? > > You mean you were speaking just for yourself? > > Now I understand. Okay, so it was just like your mixed-up use of > the word "media". Thanks, I understand now. Ya know, Shemp, you were just chiding Barry for "embellishing." You ought to think about practicing what you preach, because you do almost as much fantasizing as he does. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure that the majority of you think I'm a > > big > > > > > mouth > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > claims to be all-knowing on any subject under the sun, > > the > > > > one > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > I WILL claim to be an expert on is language rights and > > how > > > > they > > > > > > > > pertain to freedom of speech and freedom of _expression_ > > > (this > > > > is > > > > > > > > because I am a Canadian who dealt on a political level > > with > > > > > > > language > > > > > > > > issues in that officially bilingual country). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the one thing I will say to you is: the language > you > > > > speak > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > free choice that lies at the heart of protected speech > > > under > > > > > the > > > > > > > > first amendment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course Bush is NOT saying that a law should be > passed > > > > > > requiring > > > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English and, > > certainly, > > > as > > > > a > > > > > > > > leader he can certainly suggest to people how they can > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > their free choice in speech...BUT, as a sworn defender > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > constitution, he has, I believe, a moral obligation to > > > > REMIND > > > > > us > > > > > > > > that language and CHOICE of language is, indeed, > > protected > > > > free > > > > > > > > speech. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent point, Shemp. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But he didn't, and he won't. And I'll bet you a buck > > > > > > > when some clown comes up with legislation to require > > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English, he'll > > > > > > > support it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's already in enough trouble with his right-wing > > > > > > > constituency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be interesting to see how the left-wing reacts to > > this > > > > as > > > > > > well. It has been my experience that the left-wing is as > > > > clueless > > > > > > as the right-wing when it comes to the question of language. > > > > > > > > > > The left, of course, supports singing the National > > > > > Anthem in Spanish and finds the objections to it > > > > > ludicrous and offensive. > > > > > > > > ...and this was a policy resolution recently passed at the > > Official > > > > Leftists of America convention held when? Where? > > > > > > Are you hallucinating again, Shemp? > > > > > > > I must be because you state above that "the left...supports singing > > the National Anthem in Spanish." Is this official policy or are > > you, Judy, hallucinating that that is some sort of official policy > > of the Left? > > Can you tell me where I said anything about "official > policy," Shemp? > Who, then, were you speaking for when you made such a declaration? Oh, it wasn't "the Left"? You mean you were speaking just for yourself? Now I understand. Okay, so it was just like your mixed-up use of the word "media". Thanks, I understand now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure that the majority of you think I'm a > big > > > > mouth > > > > > > who > > > > > > > claims to be all-knowing on any subject under the sun, > the > > > one > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > I WILL claim to be an expert on is language rights and > how > > > they > > > > > > > pertain to freedom of speech and freedom of _expression_ > > (this > > > is > > > > > > > because I am a Canadian who dealt on a political level > with > > > > > > language > > > > > > > issues in that officially bilingual country). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the one thing I will say to you is: the language you > > > speak > > > > > is a > > > > > > > free choice that lies at the heart of protected speech > > under > > > > the > > > > > > > first amendment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course Bush is NOT saying that a law should be passed > > > > > requiring > > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English and, > certainly, > > as > > > a > > > > > > > leader he can certainly suggest to people how they can > > > exercise > > > > > > > their free choice in speech...BUT, as a sworn defender > of > > > the > > > > > > > constitution, he has, I believe, a moral obligation to > > > REMIND > > > > us > > > > > > > that language and CHOICE of language is, indeed, > protected > > > free > > > > > > > speech. > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent point, Shemp. > > > > > > > > > > > > But he didn't, and he won't. And I'll bet you a buck > > > > > > when some clown comes up with legislation to require > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English, he'll > > > > > > support it. > > > > > > > > > > > > He's already in enough trouble with his right-wing > > > > > > constituency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be interesting to see how the left-wing reacts to > this > > > as > > > > > well. It has been my experience that the left-wing is as > > > clueless > > > > > as the right-wing when it comes to the question of language. > > > > > > > > The left, of course, supports singing the National > > > > Anthem in Spanish and finds the objections to it > > > > ludicrous and offensive. > > > > > > ...and this was a policy resolution recently passed at the > Official > > > Leftists of America convention held when? Where? > > > > Are you hallucinating again, Shemp? > > > > I must be because you state above that "the left...supports singing > the National Anthem in Spanish." Is this official policy or are > you, Judy, hallucinating that that is some sort of official policy > of the Left? Can you tell me where I said anything about "official policy," Shemp? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I'm sure that the majority of you think I'm a big > > > mouth > > > > > who > > > > > > claims to be all-knowing on any subject under the sun, the > > one > > > > > thing > > > > > > I WILL claim to be an expert on is language rights and how > > they > > > > > > pertain to freedom of speech and freedom of _expression_ > (this > > is > > > > > > because I am a Canadian who dealt on a political level with > > > > > language > > > > > > issues in that officially bilingual country). > > > > > > > > > > > > And the one thing I will say to you is: the language you > > speak > > > > is a > > > > > > free choice that lies at the heart of protected speech > under > > > the > > > > > > first amendment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course Bush is NOT saying that a law should be passed > > > > requiring > > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English and, certainly, > as > > a > > > > > > leader he can certainly suggest to people how they can > > exercise > > > > > > their free choice in speech...BUT, as a sworn defender of > > the > > > > > > constitution, he has, I believe, a moral obligation to > > REMIND > > > us > > > > > > that language and CHOICE of language is, indeed, protected > > free > > > > > > speech. > > > > > > > > > > Excellent point, Shemp. > > > > > > > > > > But he didn't, and he won't. And I'll bet you a buck > > > > > when some clown comes up with legislation to require > > > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English, he'll > > > > > support it. > > > > > > > > > > He's already in enough trouble with his right-wing > > > > > constituency. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be interesting to see how the left-wing reacts to this > > as > > > > well. It has been my experience that the left-wing is as > > clueless > > > > as the right-wing when it comes to the question of language. > > > > > > The left, of course, supports singing the National > > > Anthem in Spanish and finds the objections to it > > > ludicrous and offensive. > > > > ...and this was a policy resolution recently passed at the Official > > Leftists of America convention held when? Where? > > Are you hallucinating again, Shemp? > I must be because you state above that "the left...supports singing the National Anthem in Spanish." Is this official policy or are you, Judy, hallucinating that that is some sort of official policy of the Left? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > Although I'm sure that the majority of you think I'm a big mouth > > who > > > claims to be all-knowing on any subject under the sun, the one > > thing > > > I WILL claim to be an expert on is language rights and how they > > > pertain to freedom of speech and freedom of _expression_ (this is > > > because I am a Canadian who dealt on a political level with > > language > > > issues in that officially bilingual country). > > > > > > And the one thing I will say to you is: the language you speak > is a > > > free choice that lies at the heart of protected speech under the > > > first amendment. > > > > > > Of course Bush is NOT saying that a law should be passed > requiring > > > the National Anthem to be sung in English and, certainly, as a > > > leader he can certainly suggest to people how they can exercise > > > their free choice in speech...BUT, as a sworn defender of the > > > constitution, he has, I believe, a moral obligation to REMIND us > > > that language and CHOICE of language is, indeed, protected free > > > speech. > > > > Excellent point, Shemp. > > > > But he didn't, and he won't. And I'll bet you a buck > > when some clown comes up with legislation to require > > the National Anthem to be sung in English, he'll > > support it. > > > > He's already in enough trouble with his right-wing > > constituency. > > > > It will be interesting to see how the left-wing reacts to this as > well. It has been my experience that the left-wing is as clueless > as the right-wing when it comes to the question of language. The left, of course, supports singing the National Anthem in Spanish and finds the objections to it ludicrous and offensive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Choice of language: the HEART of freedom of speech!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > Although I'm sure that the majority of you think I'm a big mouth > who > > claims to be all-knowing on any subject under the sun, the one > thing > > I WILL claim to be an expert on is language rights and how they > > pertain to freedom of speech and freedom of _expression_ (this is > > because I am a Canadian who dealt on a political level with > language > > issues in that officially bilingual country). > > > > And the one thing I will say to you is: the language you speak is a > > free choice that lies at the heart of protected speech under the > > first amendment. > > > > Of course Bush is NOT saying that a law should be passed requiring > > the National Anthem to be sung in English and, certainly, as a > > leader he can certainly suggest to people how they can exercise > > their free choice in speech...BUT, as a sworn defender of the > > constitution, he has, I believe, a moral obligation to REMIND us > > that language and CHOICE of language is, indeed, protected free > > speech. > > Excellent point, Shemp. > > But he didn't, and he won't. And I'll bet you a buck > when some clown comes up with legislation to require > the National Anthem to be sung in English, he'll > support it. > > He's already in enough trouble with his right-wing > constituency. > It will be interesting to see how the left-wing reacts to this as well. It has been my experience that the left-wing is as clueless as the right-wing when it comes to the question of language. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
