[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html Well, when you're forced to think through or express why you like something, you're immediately biased toward opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your senses were taking in a thousand different factors you weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just trying to make it sound like you made your decision based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in reality your tongue had it right all along.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html Well, when you're forced to think through or express why you like something, you're immediately biased toward opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your senses were taking in a thousand different factors you weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just trying to make it sound like you made your decision based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in reality your tongue had it right all along. When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that this tendency to believe in what we can explain or verbalize can be pre-loaded, as a form of mind control. For example, if someone were told, We can teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand dollars, most people would roll their eyes and know instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. But if you pre-loaded that claim with a bunch of bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why they could fly, or a supposed holy man, giving them equally BS Vedic reasons for how or why they could fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* an insane idea. BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer. Clinical trials indicated that when people were placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite positive memories from the past, they felt warmer, and thus more comfortable. I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest. They start talking about the Beatles, or some course they went on 20 years ago, or even the Vedic era that never existed but which they've been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all of this is an unconscious attempt to warm them- selves by taking the chill off of their cognitive dissonance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html Well, when you're forced to think through or express why you like something, you're immediately biased toward opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your senses were taking in a thousand different factors you weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just trying to make it sound like you made your decision based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in reality your tongue had it right all along. When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that this tendency to believe in what we can explain or verbalize can be pre-loaded, as a form of mind control. For example, if someone were told, We can teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand dollars, most people would roll their eyes and know instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. But if you pre-loaded that claim with a bunch of bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why they could fly, or a supposed holy man, giving them equally BS Vedic reasons for how or why they could fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* an insane idea. I think I never really bought into the pseudo science rationale. I was always doubtful about the scientific research, even upon starting TM. If it wouldn't have been for having had good experiences with TM, I wouldn't have started the sidhis. The rationale was, TM worked, so if TM worked well enough with me, this must work as well. The first time I heard of siddhis, it was through rumors, word of mouth, people who have been to a six month course. It was a sort of 'privileged knowledge' acquired because I was at a place where this knowledge/rumors were shared. But what comes to my mind is this, that all experiences one had in the TM time, where somehow attributed to TM. In the same way that Maharishi once said, we claim everything positive happening in the world for us, in the same way, any good experience a person may have had during the TM time, was automatically assumed to happen BECAUSE OF TM. Any good experience you may have had in meditation, was because of TM, it was NAMED, and it wasn't just any meditation, it was TM, it had to be TM specific. This NAMING is really what gets people hooked I think, you cannot think of anything positive anymore that is not TM. It's a sort of anchoring and mind-manipulation. I sometimes have to think what an old TM friend, who was out of the movement asked me at that time. He was deep into TM at a time, like myself. He said that a clairvoyant had told him that he has an implant, a sort of a psychic device, from his TM time, when he became a teacher. He asked me about my opinion, I said I didn't believe in such things really, I'm against these woo woo devices, but whenever this discussion here comes up, I admit, I find myself thinking there might be something to it. Well, it's probably irrational, but then it really shows how conditioning works. BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer. Clinical trials indicated that when people were placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite positive memories from the past, they felt warmer, and thus more comfortable. I only have to go back one week in memory, when I was in India swimming in the Bay of Bengal.. I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest. They start talking about the Beatles, or some course they went on 20 years ago, or even the Vedic era that never existed but which they've been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all of this is an unconscious attempt to warm them-
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok quoted: Well, when you're forced to think through or express why you like something, you're immediately biased toward opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your senses were taking in a thousand different factors you weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just trying to make it sound like you made your decision based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in reality your tongue had it right all along. When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that this tendency to believe in what we can explain or verbalize can be pre-loaded, as a form of mind control. For example, if someone were told, We can teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand dollars, most people would roll their eyes and know instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. But if you pre-loaded that claim with a bunch of bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why they could fly, or a supposed holy man, giving them equally BS Vedic reasons for how or why they could fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* an insane idea. Just for fun, and to continue riffing on this idea of the pre-loading of beliefs, let's deal with something less outlandish than We can teach you to FLY -- the basic TM technique. People here go on and on about the innocent experience of TM, and how it's a simple, mechanical technique that requires no belief *ignoring* the fact that *both* of these phrases were TAUGHT to them, and BEFORE they ever learned TM itself. Remember how TM is taught, and how it is *mandated* TO be taught? You *don't* learn the technique innocently. In reality, you learn it only after having to sit through two at-least one-hour-long lectures that *explain and verbalize* what you'll be learning. During those lectures you are TOLD what you'll experience, and TOLD what that exper- ience means. Then you learn the technique, and voila, you tend to experience those things. Can you say placebo effect? Can you say pre- loading of beliefs and expectations? I think you can. If you disagree, please explain to me how TM could possibly be considered an innocent experience, or a simple, mechanical technique that requires no belief when you CANNOT learn it without having been exposed to two lectures that tell you *exactly* what it is, what you'll be experiencing, what science says about it, and what it all means. To actually *BE* an innocent experience, TM would have to be taught with *NO* pre-loading in terms of explanations and verbalizations. No first and second Intro lectures, just the TM technique itself, with no prep. The fact that it has never been taught that way, and never *will* be taught that way, seems to me to rule *out* innocent experience and open up the possibility that what many people experience as the result of learning is nothing more than what they have been TOLD to expect, and thus at least partly due to the placebo effect. If you disagree, try to present your arguments for believing otherwise. We'll wait...
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html Well, when you're forced to think through or express why you like something, you're immediately biased toward opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your senses were taking in a thousand different factors you weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just trying to make it sound like you made your decision based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in reality your tongue had it right all along. When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that this tendency to believe in what we can explain or verbalize can be pre-loaded, as a form of mind control. For example, if someone were told, We can teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand dollars, most people would roll their eyes and know instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. But if you pre-loaded that claim with a bunch of bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why they could fly, or a supposed holy man, giving them equally BS Vedic reasons for how or why they could fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* an insane idea. BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer. Clinical trials indicated that when people were placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite positive memories from the past, they felt warmer, and thus more comfortable. I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest. They start talking about the Beatles, or some course they went on 20 years ago, or even the Vedic era that never existed but which they've been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all of this is an unconscious attempt to warm them- selves by taking the chill off of their cognitive dissonance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html Well, when you're forced to think through or express why you like something, you're immediately biased toward opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your senses were taking in a thousand different factors you weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just trying to make it sound like you made your decision based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in reality your tongue had it right all along. When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that this tendency to believe in what we can explain or verbalize can be pre-loaded, as a form of mind control. For example, if someone were told, We can teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand dollars, most people would roll their eyes and know instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. But if you pre-loaded that claim with a bunch of bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why they could fly, or a supposed holy man, giving them equally BS Vedic reasons for how or why they could fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* an insane idea. BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer. Clinical trials indicated that when people were placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite positive memories from the past, they felt warmer, and thus more comfortable. I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest. They start talking about the Beatles, or some course they went on 20 years ago, or even the Vedic era that never existed but which they've been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all of this is an unconscious attempt to warm them- selves by taking the chill off of their cognitive dissonance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok quoted: Well, when you're forced to think through or express why you like something, you're immediately biased toward opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your senses were taking in a thousand different factors you weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just trying to make it sound like you made your decision based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in reality your tongue had it right all along. When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that this tendency to believe in what we can explain or verbalize can be pre-loaded, as a form of mind control. For example, if someone were told, We can teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand dollars, most people would roll their eyes and know instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. But if you pre-loaded that claim with a bunch of bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why they could fly, or a supposed holy man, giving them equally BS Vedic reasons for how or why they could fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* an insane idea. Just for fun, and to continue riffing on this idea of the pre-loading of beliefs, let's deal with something less outlandish than We can teach you to FLY -- the basic TM technique. People here go on and on about the innocent experience of TM, and how it's a simple, mechanical technique that requires no belief *ignoring* the fact that *both* of these phrases were TAUGHT to them, and BEFORE they ever learned TM itself. Remember how TM is taught, and how it is *mandated* TO be taught? You *don't* learn the technique innocently. In reality, you learn it only after having to sit through two at-least one-hour-long lectures that *explain and verbalize* what you'll be learning. During those lectures you are TOLD what you'll experience, and TOLD what that exper- ience means. Then you learn the technique, and voila, you tend to experience those things. Can you say placebo effect? Can you say pre- loading of beliefs and expectations? I think you can. If you disagree, please explain to me how TM could possibly be considered an innocent experience, or a simple, mechanical technique that requires no belief when you CANNOT learn it without having been exposed to two lectures that tell you *exactly* what it is, what you'll be experiencing, what science says about it, and what it all means. To actually *BE* an innocent experience, TM would have to be taught with *NO* pre-loading in terms of explanations and verbalizations. No first and second Intro lectures, just the TM technique itself, with no prep. The fact that it has never been taught that way, and never *will* be taught that way, seems to me to rule *out* innocent experience and open up the possibility that what many people experience as the result of learning is nothing more than what they have been TOLD to expect, and thus at least partly due to the placebo effect. If you disagree, try to present your arguments for believing otherwise. We'll wait... Who are you trying to convince here and why? What do you think you have written here that you have not written at least twenty times before? What is fun about continuing to riff on this? What have YOU learned by taking the time to write this post? What would be the ideal response, in your world, to this post of yours? When do you think you might be able to realize that you aren't going to change anyone's mind by what you write on this subject? How cool, unattached, objective, in-the-know do you feel when you write posts like this? What have you accomplished here? Papers are due by the end of the day, no exceptions. Class dismissed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Well seen. Once one has become conditioned to confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one has a tendency to long for and provoke the same types of confrontations once one has left the cult. I see that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that Ann's gotta lure people into a one- on-one confrontation with me act is merely a subset of Robin's.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Well seen. Once one has become conditioned to confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one has a tendency to long for and provoke the same types of confrontations once one has left the cult. I see that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that Ann's gotta lure people into a one- on-one confrontation with me act is merely a subset of Robin's. Barry, you are a card.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Well seen. Once one has become conditioned to confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one has a tendency to long for and provoke the same types of confrontations once one has left the cult. I see that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that Ann's gotta lure people into a one- on-one confrontation with me act is merely a subset of Robin's. You sound so WEAK and confused when you come up with this stuff. First, you have made an endless case, over the years, for those in the TM cult to be guru-whipped (as you were), spineless and afraid to rock the boat. The next words out of your butt (yes, true to form) are that these TM cultists are addicted to confrontation. w-t-f?? Also this phrase about Ann gotta lure people..., as if she is a witch or something. Don't you ever just deal with people, as people, instead of all the stories in your head, trying to ineffectually push them, or your attachment to them, away? You need some time to figure out who you are - where is Barry. beneath all of the reaction and confusion? Is he still there??
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry into a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you are a (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced TM. I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of hand. Your Friend, Doc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Well seen. Once one has become conditioned to confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one has a tendency to long for and provoke the same types of confrontations once one has left the cult. I see that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that Ann's gotta lure people into a one- on-one confrontation with me act is merely a subset of Robin's. Barry, you are a card.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
Eh, why don't you all just go to the domes and meditate there! Share is going, Buck is going, what are you still doing here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry into a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you are a (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced TM. I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of hand. Your Friend, Doc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Well seen. Once one has become conditioned to confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one has a tendency to long for and provoke the same types of confrontations once one has left the cult. I see that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that Ann's gotta lure people into a one- on-one confrontation with me act is merely a subset of Robin's. Barry, you are a card.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry into a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you are a (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced TM. I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of hand. Your Friend, Doc Thanks friend and wise and learned man. I just don't know what comes over me, it must be the former conditioning that just takes me over, like some enveloping fog of negativity. Then I just find myself striking out at the innocents here like poor Barry. My ability to lure the Barry's of the world - the powerless, impotent, mentally or spiritually challenged ones - is the goal of my very existence. I just revel in the sadistic pleasure of it - watching the helpless Barrys struggle, all to no avail. Am I doomed to this life of perverse pleasure? Can you help me Doc? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Well seen. Once one has become conditioned to confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one has a tendency to long for and provoke the same types of confrontations once one has left the cult. I see that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that Ann's gotta lure people into a one- on-one confrontation with me act is merely a subset of Robin's. Barry, you are a card.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: Eh, why don't you all just go to the domes and meditate there! Share is going, Buck is going, what are you still doing here? I'm playing with you and Barry, that's what. It is wy more fun than meditating. That was always my problem, I just hated spending time with my eyes closed doing nothing, there was just so much other life to be lived. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry into a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you are a (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced TM. I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of hand. Your Friend, Doc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Well seen. Once one has become conditioned to confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one has a tendency to long for and provoke the same types of confrontations once one has left the cult. I see that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that Ann's gotta lure people into a one- on-one confrontation with me act is merely a subset of Robin's. Barry, you are a card.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: Eh, why don't you all just go to the domes and meditate there! Share is going, Buck is going, what are you still doing here? I'm playing with you and Barry, that's what. It is wy more fun than meditating. That was always my problem, I just hated spending time with my eyes closed doing nothing, there was just so much other life to be lived. Okay, I understand. So have fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nXEXWlQ5Q --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry into a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you are a (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced TM. I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of hand. Your Friend, Doc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Well seen. Once one has become conditioned to confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one has a tendency to long for and provoke the same types of confrontations once one has left the cult. I see that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that Ann's gotta lure people into a one- on-one confrontation with me act is merely a subset of Robin's. Barry, you are a card.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Aw sweetie, no I'm not. I am not locked, merely capable of seeing how certain things work and willing to express what I see. If you want to make calls on who is confrontational then be willing to be objective and look at some of your 'friends' here. Are you one of those people who, if they had a murderer in the family, would defend them to the end, be incapable if admitting they are what they are? Ah, I see you are still locked in black and white thinking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: http://www.cracked.com/article_20223_5-bizarre-factors-that-secretly-influence-your-opinions.html Well, when you're forced to think through or express why you like something, you're immediately biased toward opinions that you can actually explain or verbalize. In other words, you may taste five jams and decide that No. 4 just tasted better, because in that moment your senses were taking in a thousand different factors you weren't consciously thinking about. But when pressured to actually explain in detail which one you liked best, you're looking for easily quantifiable things -- suddenly you're talking about how No. 2 had more berries, or how No. 1 had better color. In reality, neither of those things actually affected your enjoyment. You're just trying to make it sound like you made your decision based on an easily explainable chain of logic when in reality your tongue had it right all along. When it comes to cults, what's fascinating is that this tendency to believe in what we can explain or verbalize can be pre-loaded, as a form of mind control. For example, if someone were told, We can teach you to FLY, if you just pay us several thousand dollars, most people would roll their eyes and know instantly that they were dealing with a charlatan. But if you pre-loaded that claim with a bunch of bogus bullshit spouted by a supposed scientist, giving them pseudo-rational reasons for how or why they could fly, or a supposed holy man, giving them equally BS Vedic reasons for how or why they could fly, they'll tend to plunk their money down for the TM-Sidhi course. In this case, the more the obvious insane idea is explained and verbalized *TO* them, the more it convinces their brains that it *isn't* an insane idea. BTW, not mentioned in the original Cracked article but IMO related to it is a recent study showing how we use *nostalgia* to make ourselves feel warmer. Clinical trials indicated that when people were placed in cold rooms and then asked to remember favorite songs from the past, or recollect favorite positive memories from the past, they felt warmer, and thus more comfortable. I tend to think that this is why, when criticisms of TM or Maharishi come up here and people have their *un*comfortable cognitive dissonance buttons pushed, what often follows is a nostalgia-fest. They start talking about the Beatles, or some course they went on 20 years ago, or even the Vedic era that never existed but which they've been told was So Much Better Than Now. IMO, all of this is an unconscious attempt to warm them- selves by taking the chill off of their cognitive dissonance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. But it seems Barry isn't willing to back up his claim that Barry got his jokes about the perennial gland and Hinglish. Pretty ungrateful, I'd say, after navashok knocked himself out trying to defend him. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Aw sweetie, no I'm not. I am not locked, merely capable of seeing how certain things work and willing to express what I see. If you want to make calls on who is confrontational then be willing to be objective and look at some of your 'friends' here. Are you one of those people who, if they had a murderer in the family, would defend them to the end, be incapable if admitting they are what they are? Ah, I see you are still locked in black and white thinking. You can take the girl out of the cult, but you can't take the cult out of the girl. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Aw sweetie, no I'm not. I am not locked, merely capable of seeing how certain things work and willing to express what I see. If you want to make calls on who is confrontational then be willing to be objective and look at some of your 'friends' here. Are you one of those people who, if they had a murderer in the family, would defend them to the end, be incapable if admitting they are what they are? Ah, I see you are still locked in black and white thinking. You can take the girl out of the cult, but you can't take the cult out of the girl. :-) And if you add an 'n' where the 'l' is that is also true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I sometimes have to think what an old TM friend, who was out of the movement asked me at that time. He was deep into TM at a time, like myself. He said that a clairvoyant had told him that he has an implant, a sort of a psychic device, from his TM time, when he became a teacher. He asked me about my opinion, I said I didn't believe in such things really, I'm against these woo woo devices, but whenever this discussion here comes up, I admit, I find myself thinking there might be something to it. Well, it's probably irrational, but then it really shows how conditioning works. I would say this is true. In this case a seeker implant. I doubt it would be specific to TM, but may be flavored that way, if that's what you were into. But if you subscribe to the theory of re-existence I would say psychic implants are all over the place. It's what we are, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who pretend that their decisions are rational...
Just know this, that it was IN FACT Barry, who spoke the now famous phrase, uttered by his disciple, Rodney King, Can't we all just get along?!. Quietly, a revolution is taking place - Like a silent cultural quake, those solemn triads on living room walls of so many common, hardworking Americans, the three portraits of the esteemed, almost mythical leaders, JFK, RFK, and Martin, now graced, heralding the New Age, with a fourth secular saint, Barry. Tears run down my face. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Ann, for the last time, stop luring [one can short of a six pack] Barry into a confrontation. Bad enough that you followed Robin, worse that you are a (tremble) woman, and absolutely unforgivable that you also practiced TM. I've watched your seductive, and manipulative ways on here, *especially* towards Barry - leading him on with your carrot on a stick routine - first teasingly confrontational, then, delicately fey. You have a dangerous power over him - I suggest you restrain yourself, before things really get out of hand. Your Friend, Doc Thanks friend and wise and learned man. I just don't know what comes over me, it must be the former conditioning that just takes me over, like some enveloping fog of negativity. Then I just find myself striking out at the innocents here like poor Barry. My ability to lure the Barry's of the world - the powerless, impotent, mentally or spiritually challenged ones - is the goal of my very existence. I just revel in the sadistic pleasure of it - watching the helpless Barrys struggle, all to no avail. Am I doomed to this life of perverse pleasure? Can you help me Doc? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: I guess the same is true for discussions here on FFL, the more I think about it ... See? That's why it's more fun to chat with you than with those who claim to be all rational and all. You actually get things. :-) No, it's more 'fun' because he doesn't disagree with or challenge you. I see that you are still locked in confrontation mode. Well seen. Once one has become conditioned to confrontation as a way of life when in a cult, one has a tendency to long for and provoke the same types of confrontations once one has left the cult. I see that I'm not the only person here who has noticed that Ann's gotta lure people into a one- on-one confrontation with me act is merely a subset of Robin's. Barry, you are a card.
