[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
Go to www.downloads.com, run by CNET, and look for Avast Antivirus, free edition. I think it runs for a year before wanting you to pay for it. After a year, download COMODO Antivirus - also free, but a lot bigger than Avast. Note: Navigate the screens on downloads.com carefully - It is a great site, but has a lot of ads masquerading as interface. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun-touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun-touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome ! Personally, I use the freebie version of Avast: http://www.avast.com/index I'm very happy with it, but it doesn't mean I'm free to be a complete idiot. When I check my Spamcop spam folder and see that there's an email with a file attachment, I often release it just to see if Avast catches it. Sometimes it lets it come through, at which point, I save the file in a special folder and run a virus scan on the file every day until Avast catches it. It can take a day or two until they update their virus definitions to detect it. Any time I download freeware, I always do a scan on it with this very useful site: http://www.virustotal.com/ They scan the file with just about every antivirus program in existence. If they declare downloaded freeware to be free of malware, I trust them. I also run those saved virus attachments by that site, and it is interesting to see which antivirus programs are right on top of the newest infections; Norton and Kaspersky are two that are pretty consistent in catching them, but once in a while, no one catches it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Go to www.downloads.com, run by CNET, and look for Avast Antivirus, free edition. I think it runs for a year before wanting you to pay for it. After a year, download COMODO Antivirus - also free, but a lot bigger than Avast. Note: Navigate the screens on downloads.com carefully - It is a great site, but has a lot of ads masquerading as interface. Thanks alot Dr, I'll give it a try ! Regarding the masquerading ads on downloads.com; they've probably learned these tricks from Microsoft who invade your eyes with all kinds of ads called app's once you turn on your computer even before you can start using the darn WIN8 thing. And you're not entering a site where you can expect such garbage, but every day. May the days of blatant capitalism soon be over ! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun-touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun- touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome ! Nabby, I'm pretty sure you'll interpret this as me being paid by the CIA or the Dalai Lama or both to mislead you :-), but it's real free advice, and worth every penny. Since becoming tired of the intrusiveness and non- user-friendliness of Norton and the ineffectiveness of Symantec and other Big Name anti-virus programs, I tried the free version of AVG. I have been using it now for over a decade, and it has never failed to detect and shoot dead in its tracks any virus or spamware infestation that came my way. Factor into this that I am what Bhairitu calls an eyepatch kinda guy, and that I tend to hang out in cafes and thus often use non-secure Wifi sources, and that is high praise indeed. I *love* AVG. I suspect that its cost-money versions are even better than their free version, but I have never needed them. Don't know if they have a Win8 version, but I suspect they do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun-touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome ! Personally, I use the freebie version of Avast: http://www.avast.com/index I'm very happy with it, but it doesn't mean I'm free to be a complete idiot. When I check my Spamcop spam folder and see that there's an email with a file attachment, I often release it just to see if Avast catches it. Sometimes it lets it come through, at which point, I save the file in a special folder and run a virus scan on the file every day until Avast catches it. It can take a day or two until they update their virus definitions to detect it. Any time I download freeware, I always do a scan on it with this very useful site: http://www.virustotal.com/ They scan the file with just about every antivirus program in existence. If they declare downloaded freeware to be free of malware, I trust them. I also run those saved virus attachments by that site, and it is interesting to see which antivirus programs are right on top of the newest infections; Norton and Kaspersky are two that are pretty consistent in catching them, but once in a while, no one catches it. Great, thanks ! When two wizards suggest avast it must be good. If you don't mind me asking: It's still a few days until I must pay for the Norton. Can I run both at the same time ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
Hey, what about Microsoft Security Essentials! Free, and hasn't let me down in several years. I did AVG as well, and had no problems. But it always seemed like they put extra steps in the way of getting the free version after a while, and steered you to the fee based program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun- touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome ! Nabby, I'm pretty sure you'll interpret this as me being paid by the CIA or the Dalai Lama or both to mislead you :-), but it's real free advice, and worth every penny. Since becoming tired of the intrusiveness and non- user-friendliness of Norton and the ineffectiveness of Symantec and other Big Name anti-virus programs, I tried the free version of AVG. I have been using it now for over a decade, and it has never failed to detect and shoot dead in its tracks any virus or spamware infestation that came my way. Factor into this that I am what Bhairitu calls an eyepatch kinda guy, and that I tend to hang out in cafes and thus often use non-secure Wifi sources, and that is high praise indeed. I *love* AVG. I suspect that its cost-money versions are even better than their free version, but I have never needed them. Don't know if they have a Win8 version, but I suspect they do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: (snip) Thanks alot Dr, I'll give it a try ! Regarding the masquerading ads on downloads.com; they've probably learned these tricks from Microsoft who invade your eyes with all kinds of ads called app's once you turn on your computer even before you can start using the darn WIN8 thing. I'm no Microsoft fan, but are you sure those apps weren't added by the manufacturer of the computer? Every time I get a new machine (I'm up to Win7, so no idea about Win8), the first thing I have to do is remove all the bloatware the manufacturer has loaded onto it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey, what about Microsoft Security Essentials! Free, and hasn't let me down in several years. I did AVG as well, and had no problems. But it always seemed like they put extra steps in the way of getting the free version after a while, and steered you to the fee based program. I've never had any problem figuring out which button to click on their renewal screens. It's still free for me after a decade, and still as effective. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun- touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome ! Nabby, I'm pretty sure you'll interpret this as me being paid by the CIA or the Dalai Lama or both to mislead you :-), but it's real free advice, and worth every penny. Since becoming tired of the intrusiveness and non- user-friendliness of Norton and the ineffectiveness of Symantec and other Big Name anti-virus programs, I tried the free version of AVG. I have been using it now for over a decade, and it has never failed to detect and shoot dead in its tracks any virus or spamware infestation that came my way. Factor into this that I am what Bhairitu calls an eyepatch kinda guy, and that I tend to hang out in cafes and thus often use non-secure Wifi sources, and that is high praise indeed. I *love* AVG. I suspect that its cost-money versions are even better than their free version, but I have never needed them. Don't know if they have a Win8 version, but I suspect they do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
I understand. Sometimes I am trying to do things in a hurry, (especially at work), and if I get stymied, I might try a different route. But we had AVG for many years and were quite satisfied. I admit, Free is often the operative word for me in such cases. I really don't understand either why people would pay for anti virus protection when the free versions seem to work just as well. At least for what I'm doing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Hey, what about Microsoft Security Essentials! Free, and hasn't let me down in several years. I did AVG as well, and had no problems. But it always seemed like they put extra steps in the way of getting the free version after a while, and steered you to the fee based program. I've never had any problem figuring out which button to click on their renewal screens. It's still free for me after a decade, and still as effective. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun- touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome ! Nabby, I'm pretty sure you'll interpret this as me being paid by the CIA or the Dalai Lama or both to mislead you :-), but it's real free advice, and worth every penny. Since becoming tired of the intrusiveness and non- user-friendliness of Norton and the ineffectiveness of Symantec and other Big Name anti-virus programs, I tried the free version of AVG. I have been using it now for over a decade, and it has never failed to detect and shoot dead in its tracks any virus or spamware infestation that came my way. Factor into this that I am what Bhairitu calls an eyepatch kinda guy, and that I tend to hang out in cafes and thus often use non-secure Wifi sources, and that is high praise indeed. I *love* AVG. I suspect that its cost-money versions are even better than their free version, but I have never needed them. Don't know if they have a Win8 version, but I suspect they do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Hey, what about Microsoft Security Essentials! Free, and hasn't let me down in several years. That's what I've been using for Win7, and it seems to do the job. (I don't tend to frequent dangerous Web sites, though.) Don't know if Microsoft has a Win8 version.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: (snip) Thanks alot Dr, I'll give it a try ! Regarding the masquerading ads on downloads.com; they've probably learned these tricks from Microsoft who invade your eyes with all kinds of ads called app's once you turn on your computer even before you can start using the darn WIN8 thing. I'm no Microsoft fan, but are you sure those apps weren't added by the manufacturer of the computer? Every time I get a new machine (I'm up to Win7, so no idea about Win8), the first thing I have to do is remove all the bloatware the manufacturer has loaded onto it. , g I don't know who added all that garbage but it's right in front of your eyes once you turn the thing on wanting to sell you all sorts of newsupdates, weather-reports, maps, games and whatnot you don't need. It's a freaking shoppingmall you don't want to enter. Add to this that Microsoft didn't create a start menu and you have the explanation why they are, besides Montsanto, on top of my american hate list !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Great, thanks ! When two wizards suggest avast it must be good. If you don't mind me asking: It's still a few days until I must pay for the Norton. Can I run both at the same time ? No, it's not a good idea to run multiple anti-virus programs. As for Norton, in the past it had a reputation for being a bloated resource hog, but they finally redid the whole thing recently, and MaximumPC magazine gave it the highest rating they ever give to anything. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/best_antivirus_2013 I used to use AVG, but some years ago, it started to have bloat creep, so I removed it and ended up going for years without any antivirus. Petra still has AVG on her Vista laptop, and it hasn't given her any trouble. With my extreme Vista allergy, I try to stay as far away from her laptop as possible, so I saw no reason to switch her over to Avast.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: I understand. Sometimes I am trying to do things in a hurry, (especially at work), and if I get stymied, I might try a different route. But we had AVG for many years and were quite satisfied. I admit, Free is often the operative word for me in such cases. I really don't understand either why people would pay for anti virus protection when the free versions seem to work just as well. At least for what I'm doing. Well, to be honest, *some* of the free companies aren't. For example, in one study, something like 50% of the free anti-spyware programs offered on the Web were themselves spyware. When you installed their free software, you got an extra added bonus -- spyware that 1) disabled your existing anti-virus or anti-spyware program and inserted in its place 'bots that made it *look* as if these programs were running when they weren't, and 2) tracked your every move on the Internet, databased that information, and then sold it to the highest bidder. I've come to rely on reviews from sources I trust to help me sort out which are the phony free software vendors out there, and which are the real ones. Please don't get me wrong. I am SO not against freeware. The product I work on for the Incredibly Big Megacorporation, which enables software developers to build once, deploy multiple times when creating mobile applications, has a freeware version. I think it's a sound, and wise, business decision for them to do this. If nerd developers use the product and find it useful -- because it enables them to write apps once for one mobile platform (such as iOS - phones or tablets) and then, without even recompiling or rewriting their code for the new target hardware platform, deploy it to Android devices, and Blackberry devices, and Win8/Windows Phone platforms -- they might eventually be hired by Incredibly Big Megacorporations. And over time, they might recommend to their bosses that they look into it as their tool of choice. That's the marketing theory, anyway. And I've seen it work; an increasing number of corporations have listed their reason for buying the corporate version (and costs-serious-money version) version of the product as, Recommended by employees. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: Hey, what about Microsoft Security Essentials! Free, and hasn't let me down in several years. I did AVG as well, and had no problems. But it always seemed like they put extra steps in the way of getting the free version after a while, and steered you to the fee based program. I've never had any problem figuring out which button to click on their renewal screens. It's still free for me after a decade, and still as effective. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun- touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome ! Nabby, I'm pretty sure you'll interpret this as me being paid by the CIA or the Dalai Lama or both to mislead you :-), but it's real free advice, and worth every penny. Since becoming tired of the intrusiveness and non- user-friendliness of Norton and the ineffectiveness of Symantec and other Big Name anti-virus programs, I tried the free version of AVG. I have been using it now for over a decade, and it has never failed to detect and shoot dead in its tracks any virus or spamware infestation that came my way. Factor into this that I am what Bhairitu calls an eyepatch kinda guy, and that I tend to hang out in cafes and thus often use non-secure Wifi sources, and that is high praise indeed. I *love* AVG. I suspect that its cost-money versions are even better than their free version, but I have never needed them. Don't know if they have a Win8 version, but I suspect they do.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
It seems to be the luck of the draw - everyone has their favorites - I had unpleasant experiences with AVG, have tried several others and for my system, I have found Norton 360 to be better than anything else. I have a good buddy who swears by ESET NOD 32 Antivirus, which I don't care for too much. So its just try it and see. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 10:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Great, thanks ! When two wizards suggest avast it must be good. If you don't mind me asking: It's still a few days until I must pay for the Norton. Can I run both at the same time ? No, it's not a good idea to run multiple anti-virus programs. As for Norton, in the past it had a reputation for being a bloated resource hog, but they finally redid the whole thing recently, and MaximumPC magazine gave it the highest rating they ever give to anything. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/best_antivirus_2013 I used to use AVG, but some years ago, it started to have bloat creep, so I removed it and ended up going for years without any antivirus. Petra still has AVG on her Vista laptop, and it hasn't given her any trouble. With my extreme Vista allergy, I try to stay as far away from her laptop as possible, so I saw no reason to switch her over to Avast.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
On 08/11/2013 07:53 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: I understand. Sometimes I am trying to do things in a hurry, (especially at work), and if I get stymied, I might try a different route. But we had AVG for many years and were quite satisfied. I admit, Free is often the operative word for me in such cases. I really don't understand either why people would pay for anti virus protection when the free versions seem to work just as well. At least for what I'm doing. Well, to be honest, *some* of the free companies aren't. For example, in one study, something like 50% of the free anti-spyware programs offered on the Web were themselves spyware. When you installed their free software, you got an extra added bonus -- spyware that 1) disabled your existing anti-virus or anti-spyware program and inserted in its place 'bots that made it *look* as if these programs were running when they weren't, and 2) tracked your every move on the Internet, databased that information, and then sold it to the highest bidder. I've come to rely on reviews from sources I trust to help me sort out which are the phony free software vendors out there, and which are the real ones. Please don't get me wrong. I am SO not against freeware. The product I work on for the Incredibly Big Megacorporation, which enables software developers to build once, deploy multiple times when creating mobile applications, has a freeware version. I think it's a sound, and wise, business decision for them to do this. If nerd developers use the product and find it useful -- because it enables them to write apps once for one mobile platform (such as iOS - phones or tablets) and then, without even recompiling or rewriting their code for the new target hardware platform, deploy it to Android devices, and Blackberry devices, and Win8/Windows Phone platforms -- they might eventually be hired by Incredibly Big Megacorporations. And over time, they might recommend to their bosses that they look into it as their tool of choice. That's the marketing theory, anyway. And I've seen it work; an increasing number of corporations have listed their reason for buying the corporate version (and costs-serious-money version) version of the product as, Recommended by employees. I used free AVG for awhile but they seem to start noticing if you are running it on multiple computers. Then they bug you to buy. I also used their free Android version but use Lookout now which if any asshat decides he wants to swipe my phone can turn on the GPS and locate it. Prior to AVG I used the Computer Associates anti-virus because friends working at Microsoft said that Microsoft used it and gave CA feedback to make it work better and be unobtrusive. Originally it was cheap but their licensing screwball so that's when I went to AVG. Then after they started bugging me figured to just let Microsoft do the work because it's due to them we need an anti-virus in the first place. So I use their Security Essentials which is free and very unobtrusive. Of course this machine is Linux and really you don't need anti-virus for it but I do have KlamAV installed. Sometimes I want to see if there are any viruses in the Thunderbird junk folder even though they won't run on Linux. I do everything I can on Linux and only use my Windows machines if I have too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Free mal-spy-ware anti virus etc
FYI - AVG Anti-Virus 2013 is only free for the first 30 days. MS Security Essentials will work fine for ordinary real-time protection but for greater security along with malware removal, Malwarebytes is the free AV software used and recommended by many system techies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Hey, what about Microsoft Security Essentials! Free, and hasn't let me down in several years. I did AVG as well, and had no problems. But it always seemed like they put extra steps in the way of getting the free version after a while, and steered you to the fee based program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun- touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome ! Nabby, I'm pretty sure you'll interpret this as me being paid by the CIA or the Dalai Lama or both to mislead you :-), but it's real free advice, and worth every penny. Since becoming tired of the intrusiveness and non- user-friendliness of Norton and the ineffectiveness of Symantec and other Big Name anti-virus programs, I tried the free version of AVG. I have been using it now for over a decade, and it has never failed to detect and shoot dead in its tracks any virus or spamware infestation that came my way. Factor into this that I am what Bhairitu calls an eyepatch kinda guy, and that I tend to hang out in cafes and thus often use non-secure Wifi sources, and that is high praise indeed. I *love* AVG. I suspect that its cost-money versions are even better than their free version, but I have never needed them. Don't know if they have a Win8 version, but I suspect they do.
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I don't visit many websites except for documentation of known software so minimal protection is just fine on my Windows machines. There is an elitism amongst techies that one must have the latest, greatest and the mostest which means that some companies make a lot of money off that 'tude. And I read a fair amount of tech sites where they clue hackers into security flaws long before the hackers know they are there. :-( I think we should shoot virus and malware writers on PPV. On 08/11/2013 11:21 AM, emptybill wrote: FYI - AVG Anti-Virus 2013 is only free for the first 30 days. MS Security Essentials will work fine for ordinary real-time protection but for greater security along with malware removal, Malwarebytes is the free AV software used and recommended by many system techies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Hey, what about Microsoft Security Essentials! Free, and hasn't let me down in several years. I did AVG as well, and had no problems. But it always seemed like they put extra steps in the way of getting the free version after a while, and steered you to the fee based program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: What's the best programme you use ? The new pc wants to install Norton and fill the pocket of that gun- touting fellow, but surely there must be some free and good stuff out there ? PS: must work with the WIN8, the worst blingbling shoppingmall pretending to be an operating-system on the planet ! Any suggestions you might have are very welcome ! Nabby, I'm pretty sure you'll interpret this as me being paid by the CIA or the Dalai Lama or both to mislead you :-), but it's real free advice, and worth every penny. Since becoming tired of the intrusiveness and non- user-friendliness of Norton and the ineffectiveness of Symantec and other Big Name anti-virus programs, I tried the free version of AVG. I have been using it now for over a decade, and it has never failed to detect and shoot dead in its tracks any virus or spamware infestation that came my way. Factor into this that I am what Bhairitu calls an eyepatch kinda guy, and that I tend to hang out in cafes and thus often use non-secure Wifi sources, and that is high praise indeed. I *love* AVG. I suspect that its cost-money versions are even better than their free version, but I have never needed them. Don't know if they have a Win8 version, but I suspect they do.
