[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-25 Thread WillyTex
emptybill: According to HHDL we are an eternally transmigrating bindu of consciousness which is the unity of manas and prana... Did the historical Buddha teach that people have a transmigrating soul-monad? In fact, the Buddha Shakya said nothing about people being reincarnated

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-25 Thread WillyTex
emptybill: It's true Willy … you have no free will. We are either free or we are bound. If free, then why did the Buddha spend five years striving to be free? If we are bound, by what means can we free ourselves? You're just so right ... you are just the effect of past causes. Whatever

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-24 Thread WillyTex
Vaj: Question: Do sentient beings have free will? HHDL: According to Buddhism, individuals are masters of their own destiny. And all living beings are believed to possess the nature of the Primordial Buddha Samantabhadra... So, is the 'Samantabhadra' Buddha absolute, or just a

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-24 Thread WillyTex
emptybill: According to HHDL we are an eternally transmigrating bindu of consciousness which is the unity of manas and prana... Did the historical Buddha teach that people have a transmigrating soul-monad? In fact, the Buddha Shakya said nothing about people being reincarnated into

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-24 Thread emptybill
It's true Willy … you have no free will. You're just so right ... you are just the effect of past causes. Whatever happens just happens… there is no owner. There is nothing that makes you what you are. Dzogchen Samantabhadra Buddha (not the Mahayana bodhisattva) in only taught in Dzogchen. He

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-24 Thread Yifu
Yes indeed...Homo Automatonica!: http://www.ectomo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/automaton.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: It's true Willy … you have no free will. You're just so right ... you are just the effect of past causes. Whatever happens

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: HH the 14 Dalai Lama answers questions after a Dzogchen teaching in San Jose, CA in 1989: Question: Do sentient beings have free will? HHDL: According to Buddhism, individuals are masters of their own destiny. And all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Vaj
On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:35 AM, wgm4u wrote: This is true BUT, the soul must be redeemed from the entanglements of matter (i.e. attachment of the senses to their objects, material attachment, ego, etc.). Soul?

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread yifuxero
Soul travel, or rising above bodily consciousness, is the goal of Sant Mat (a dualistic Sidhi in the Advaitic context). Nevertheless, the attainment of this Sidhi according to Sant Mat teachings is sufficient for ending reincarnation. Kirpal Singh states: Nobody can see the soul with these

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Vaj
On Mar 23, 2011, at 1:22 PM, yifuxero wrote: Soul travel, or rising above bodily consciousness, is the goal of Sant Mat (a dualistic Sidhi in the Advaitic context). Nevertheless, the attainment of this Sidhi according to Sant Mat teachings is sufficient for ending reincarnation. Kirpal

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread yifuxero
Nope: Ultimately, on that level, there's nothing apart from the Self; but conventionally, rocks, trees, people, birds, etc, exist. That's existence, a word that may be preferred over Brahman. In any event, whether there's a Soul or not depends upon one's definition, of course. In Sant Mat,

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:35 AM, wgm4u wrote: This is true BUT, the soul must be redeemed from the entanglements of matter (i.e. attachment of the senses to their objects, material attachment, ego, etc.). Soul? In

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@... wrote: The basic entity under consideration in Sant Mat is the Soul, (the causal subtle body). ... The real question is, does anything exist, not whether the Soul exists. If indeed, there is a universe, and things exist

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Robert
(snip) Do We Actually Exist? 'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE (snip) The feeling that 'I exist' does not require any thinking at all... It is just the awareness that 'I am' I exist... All creatures on earth have this, whether they can think or not... Whether a bird, animal

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Yifu
thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you haven't proven the first exist. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote: (snip) Do We Actually Exist? 'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE (snip) The feeling that 'I exist'

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Robert
The sense of I... Is existence... If you didn't exist, you wouldn't feel 'I'... If you feel 'I' you obviously exist. Try not to think to hard about it... R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Yifu
thx, true, it (existence) is self-evident; but self-evidence isn't a proof. That's why philosophers don't think to much on this question, accepting it without argument as a premise...then going on to other considerations. ... Rocks exist but there's no evidence of an I feeling among rocks that

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread emptybill
According to HHDL we are an eternally transmigrating bindu of consciousness which is the unity of manas and prana. This bindu resides in the heart. It descends into the channels to take up residence and then ascends out of them to enter the bardo and take up another body. This is not a

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Yifu
Might be amusing to travel to other planets in/as a Soul, leaving the physical body. Not a need, just fun. Or, to other realms and dimensions. Such exploration may be the wave of the future. ... After seeing the Hawking special on travel to other planets, I don't see how the space/time factor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Vaj
On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:17 PM, emptybill wrote: According to HHDL we are an eternally transmigrating bindu of consciousness which is the unity of manas and prana. This bindu resides in the heart. It descends into the channels to take up residence and then ascends out of them to enter the

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread shanti2218411
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you haven't proven the first exist. The problem with these types of discussions is that they require the people having the discussion to agree on how to

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Yifu
thx, excellent points! The idea is that given the premise (that the universe exists), we can then extrapolate into different outcomes, making some headway in attacking my favorite targets: the Neo-Advaitins. This involves showing somehow that persons exist, first of all, conventionally