[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock wrote: > > > > > > Maharishi always said, "I am WholeSaler of Consciousness.!!". This is what my > initator Quoted him saying that decades ago.!! > > > > Why all of a sudden change the tune.?? and cater to elitist snobs.?? > > > > Heart of the SETI project.? Carl Sagan's search for extraterrestrials program. They > decided to use the computing power of millions of personal computers all over the world. > > > > The massive computing power of the combined PC's world over, broke the > pentabyte barrier. It made the world's most powerful super- Computer look like a bullock- > cart in comparison of speed.!! > > > > The combined marketing base of the ordinary class, even if priced cheaper would be > far greater that what the elitist snobs could generate. > > > > It makes no sense from the marketing point of view. The elitist snobs could be > given special elite courses and that cash-cow could be maintained side by side.?? > > > > > As I already said: > > > > > > > > sparaig wrote: > > Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:15:51 - > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..? > > > > > > Nope. MMY's stated goal is to appeal to elitist snobs because they run the world. and the cool thing is, they don't even have to start TM... Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the king's horses and all the king's men Couldn't put Humpty together again. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maharishi always said, "I am WholeSaler of Consciousness.!!". This is what my initator Quoted him saying that decades ago.!! > > Why all of a sudden change the tune.?? and cater to elitist snobs.?? > > Heart of the SETI project.? Carl Sagan's search for extraterrestrials program. They decided to use the computing power of millions of personal computers all over the world. > > The massive computing power of the combined PC's world over, broke the pentabyte barrier. It made the world's most powerful super-Computer look like a bullock- cart in comparison of speed.!! > > The combined marketing base of the ordinary class, even if priced cheaper would be far greater that what the elitist snobs could generate. > > It makes no sense from the marketing point of view. The elitist snobs could be given special elite courses and that cash-cow could be maintained side by side.?? > As I already said: > > > sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:15:51 - > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..? > > > Nope. MMY's stated goal is to appeal to elitist snobs because they run the world. Leaving aside questions about whether or not TM will be of value to them (and thereby of greater value to the rest of the world because the rich and elite are getting something out of their TM practice), the decision to charge lots of money for TM practice to appeal directly to the elite is perfectly valid and sane. > > I mean, do you think your average CEO surfs the net to find minet and learns to meditate from a website, as an extreme opposite-end example? Even if they did, do you think that the CEO of IBM would instruct his employees to go to the same website, or would he hire expensive consultants to teach in-house? Keep in mind that he has to justify ANY expense by documenting it to the board of directors. Where's the 30 year's research on the minet technique documented? Can you PROVE to the accountant's satisfaction that the minet site instructions have the same effect as TM? Can he prove that setting aside 20 minutes > twice-a-day to practice minet meditation is justifiable? He MAY be able to do it with TM, but not with the website technique, regardless of whether or not there is a measureable difference between them. No-one is going to sponsor the measurements in the first place so the assertion can never be proven to the accountants' satisfaction. > > Jacking the price of TM up may be a horrible mistake, but it certainly makes sense from a marketing point of view. > > > Jason Spock wrote: > > > > In a Pure Capitalist economy, things are dictated purely by 'Demand and Supply'. In a competitive field where there are 40,000 TM teachers and other Spiritual cults, > > > > Is it wise for the TM-org to fix such high, exorbitant price for TM..?? > > > > I think, Somebody is misguiding Maharishi.?? > > > > > - > Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
Maharishi always said, "I am WholeSaler of Consciousness.!!". This is what my initator Quoted him saying that decades ago.!! Why all of a sudden change the tune.?? and cater to elitist snobs.?? Heart of the SETI project.? Carl Sagan's search for extraterrestrials program. They decided to use the computing power of millions of personal computers all over the world. The massive computing power of the combined PC's world over, broke the pentabyte barrier. It made the world's most powerful super-Computer look like a bullock-cart in comparison of speed.!! The combined marketing base of the ordinary class, even if priced cheaper would be far greater that what the elitist snobs could generate. It makes no sense from the marketing point of view. The elitist snobs could be given special elite courses and that cash-cow could be maintained side by side.?? ashelkent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:32:47 -0000Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..? I can tell you for sure that the high prices come straight from MMY. Many Many people including John Hegelin have tried to convince him that the high prices were counter productive. I heard of one instance where MMY began to leave the room rather than continue a discussion on this subject. At that point the proponents of reasonable prices relented. Same with raising tuition at MUM. A few years ago he wanted to make MUM an elite university overnight. The plan was to increase cost of attendance 50% to 30K, stop giving university subsidized scholarships, and market to rich families. There was very little discussion from the faculty (in public). It was just done. I was there. I believe it is true that MMY is surround by people who mostly tell him what he wants to hear. But, on this issue he has gotten a lot of negative feedback, repeatedly over the years. sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:15:51 -0000Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..? Nope. MMY's stated goal is to appeal to elitist snobs because they run the world. Leaving aside questions about whether or not TM will be of value to them (and thereby of greater value to the rest of the world because the rich and elite are getting something out of their TM practice), the decision to charge lots of money for TM practice to appeal directly to the elite is perfectly valid and sane.I mean, do you think your average CEO surfs the net to find minet and learns to meditate from a website, as an extreme opposite-end example? Even if they did, do you think that the CEO of IBM would instruct his employees to go to the same website, or would he hire expensive consultants to teach in-house? Keep in mind that he has to justify ANY expense by documenting it to the board of directors. Where's the 30 year's research on the minet technique documented? Can you PROVE to the accountant's satisfaction that the minet site instructions have the same effect as TM? Can he prove that setting aside 20 minutes twice-a-day to practice minet meditation is justifiable? He MAY be able to do it with TM, but not with the website technique, regardless of whether or not there is a measureable difference between them. No-one is going to sponsor the measurements in the first place so the assertion can never be proven to the accountants' satisfaction.Jacking the price of TM up may be a horrible mistake, but it certainly makes sense from a marketing point of view. Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> In a Pure Capitalist economy, things are dictated purely by 'Demand and Supply'. In a competitive field where there are 40,000 TM teachers and other Spiritual cults,> > Is it wise for the TM-org to fix such high, exorbitant price for TM..??> > I think, Somebody is misguiding Maharishi.?? Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jacking up the price of TM aims it like a cannon at the > > > > > > consciousness > > > > > > > of the rich and powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether they pay for it or not, whether anyone pays for > it > > > or > > > > > not. > > > > > > By > > > > > > > creating an insurmountable disparity between the > > affordable > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > of the past and the current technique price, this draws > > the > > > > > > collective > > > > > > > consciousness of the meditators towards the rich and > > > powerful. > > > > > > > > > Its > > > > > > a > > > > > > > Sutra. Boom! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva-->Guru Dev-->Maharishi--> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, obsessing on getting the attention of the rich and > powerful > > > has > > > > always been the cherished goal of spiritual traditions > > throughout > > > the > > > > ages, and this most certainly puts MMY on par with Shiva. > > > > > > > > > > I read this more carefully- So what I meant was that all of these > > meditators are around- all this Self aware of Self is available > now. > > It doesn't have the identity of you or me; IT only knows ITSelf. > Get > > it? It is pure Self realization, pure awareness, and a large > > coherent mass of it. Lots and lots of active pure awareness. > Rising > > up. > > > > So, by living inside IT, Being IT, Maharishi uses IT to focus on > > areas of global consciousness that are rigid, preventing change, > > preventing the apparent infusion of pure awareness. > > > > And one area where illusions are created that are very very > powerful > > is with lots of money. (have you ever watched that show "Deal or No > > Deal'? The contestants often enter altered states of consciousness > > by just focusing on the money...). > > > > So it appears as if that is what is going on with the price of TM. > > He couldn't get the attention of the pure consciousness within us > on > > excessive money any other way. > > > > And why do we respond to him, either positively or negatively? It > is > > he that brought out the mantras that many of us practice. We > respond > > in the same way that it is difficult to say No to someone who pays > > you, and then asks you to do something. > > > > Maharishi through Guru Dev through Shiva has created through > shakti, > > a huge mass of tuned pure awareness that now does his bidding, the > > bidding of Guru Dev, and the bidding of Shiva. > > > > What is the net result, the purpose? Shiva is the destroyer of > > ignorance, so it is obvious what the aim is... > > > > Forget modern 'science', THIS is the Maharishi Effect. > > > This is a great explanation, on many levels; Thanks... > > > You are welcome! I find its a good thing not to take personally... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > > > > Jacking up the price of TM aims it like a cannon at the > > > > > consciousness > > > > > > of the rich and powerful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether they pay for it or not, whether anyone pays for it > > or > > > > not. > > > > > By > > > > > > creating an insurmountable disparity between the > affordable > > > > > technique > > > > > > of the past and the current technique price, this draws > the > > > > > collective > > > > > > consciousness of the meditators towards the rich and > > powerful. > > > > > > > Its > > > > > a > > > > > > Sutra. Boom! > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva-->Guru Dev-->Maharishi--> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, obsessing on getting the attention of the rich and powerful > > has > > > always been the cherished goal of spiritual traditions > throughout > > the > > > ages, and this most certainly puts MMY on par with Shiva. > > > > > > I read this more carefully- So what I meant was that all of these > meditators are around- all this Self aware of Self is available now. > It doesn't have the identity of you or me; IT only knows ITSelf. Get > it? It is pure Self realization, pure awareness, and a large > coherent mass of it. Lots and lots of active pure awareness. Rising > up. > > So, by living inside IT, Being IT, Maharishi uses IT to focus on > areas of global consciousness that are rigid, preventing change, > preventing the apparent infusion of pure awareness. > > And one area where illusions are created that are very very powerful > is with lots of money. (have you ever watched that show "Deal or No > Deal'? The contestants often enter altered states of consciousness > by just focusing on the money...). > > So it appears as if that is what is going on with the price of TM. > He couldn't get the attention of the pure consciousness within us on > excessive money any other way. > > And why do we respond to him, either positively or negatively? It is > he that brought out the mantras that many of us practice. We respond > in the same way that it is difficult to say No to someone who pays > you, and then asks you to do something. > > Maharishi through Guru Dev through Shiva has created through shakti, > a huge mass of tuned pure awareness that now does his bidding, the > bidding of Guru Dev, and the bidding of Shiva. > > What is the net result, the purpose? Shiva is the destroyer of > ignorance, so it is obvious what the aim is... > > Forget modern 'science', THIS is the Maharishi Effect. This is a great explanation, on many levels; Thanks... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stadspark wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for your candid response.! I too see things in shades > of gray... > > > Personally TM and being a sidha has been very good to me. I also > realize it's not > > > necessarily good for everyone.. > > > > > > I just don't feel we need to pay such high prices for the knowledge... > > > > > > Why not? Do lower prices for this stuff attract the "right kind of" > people to the organization? > > > > Elitist snobs run the world, and elistist snobs are, well, elistist. > If you want to change elitist > > snobs via meditation, the most direct way to do it is to appeal to > their elitism in order to get > > them to learn and pratice meditation. > > > > Of course charging elitist snob prices is also a way to stop teaching > meditation to anyone, elitist snob or not, while making it look like > your intent is still to teach meditation. Look at the effect not the talk. > > JohnY > /shrug. 500 students in a major study that started a few months ago. Several schools learning TM using outside funding. I don't think you can prove anything either way at this point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Jacking up the price of TM aims it like a cannon at the > > > > consciousness > > > > > of the rich and powerful. > > > > > > > > > > Whether they pay for it or not, whether anyone pays for it > or > > > not. > > > > By > > > > > creating an insurmountable disparity between the affordable > > > > technique > > > > > of the past and the current technique price, this draws the > > > > collective > > > > > consciousness of the meditators towards the rich and > powerful. > > > > > Its > > > > a > > > > > Sutra. Boom! > > > > > > > > > > Shiva-->Guru Dev-->Maharishi--> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > wrote: > > > > Yes, obsessing on getting the attention of the rich and powerful > has > > always been the cherished goal of spiritual traditions throughout > the > > ages, and this most certainly puts MMY on par with Shiva. > > I read this more carefully- So what I meant was that all of these meditators are around- all this Self aware of Self is available now. It doesn't have the identity of you or me; IT only knows ITSelf. Get it? It is pure Self realization, pure awareness, and a large coherent mass of it. Lots and lots of active pure awareness. Rising up. So, by living inside IT, Being IT, Maharishi uses IT to focus on areas of global consciousness that are rigid, preventing change, preventing the apparent infusion of pure awareness. And one area where illusions are created that are very very powerful is with lots of money. (have you ever watched that show "Deal or No Deal'? The contestants often enter altered states of consciousness by just focusing on the money...). So it appears as if that is what is going on with the price of TM. He couldn't get the attention of the pure consciousness within us on excessive money any other way. And why do we respond to him, either positively or negatively? It is he that brought out the mantras that many of us practice. We respond in the same way that it is difficult to say No to someone who pays you, and then asks you to do something. Maharishi through Guru Dev through Shiva has created through shakti, a huge mass of tuned pure awareness that now does his bidding, the bidding of Guru Dev, and the bidding of Shiva. What is the net result, the purpose? Shiva is the destroyer of ignorance, so it is obvious what the aim is... Forget modern 'science', THIS is the Maharishi Effect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stadspark wrote: > > > > Thank you for your candid response.! I too see things in shades of gray... > > Personally TM and being a sidha has been very good to me. I also realize it's not > > necessarily good for everyone.. > > > > I just don't feel we need to pay such high prices for the knowledge... > > > Why not? Do lower prices for this stuff attract the "right kind of" people to the organization? > > Elitist snobs run the world, and elistist snobs are, well, elistist. If you want to change elitist > snobs via meditation, the most direct way to do it is to appeal to their elitism in order to get > them to learn and pratice meditation. > Of course charging elitist snob prices is also a way to stop teaching meditation to anyone, elitist snob or not, while making it look like your intent is still to teach meditation. Look at the effect not the talk. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > Jacking the price of TM up may be a horrible mistake, but it > > > certainly > > > > makes sense from a > > > > > marketing point of view. > > > > > > > > > Jacking up the price of TM aims it like a cannon at the > > > consciousness > > > > of the rich and powerful. > > > > > > > > Whether they pay for it or not, whether anyone pays for it or > > not. > > > By > > > > creating an insurmountable disparity between the affordable > > > technique > > > > of the past and the current technique price, this draws the > > > collective > > > > consciousness of the meditators towards the rich and powerful. > > > Its > > > a > > > > Sutra. Boom! > > > > > > > > Shiva-->Guru Dev-->Maharishi--> > > Yes, obsessing on getting the attention of the rich and powerful has > always been the cherished goal of spiritual traditions throughout the > ages, and this most certainly puts MMY on par with Shiva. > > Why not just crown Robin Leach king of the TMO and then we'd really > have some success. > Ha-Ha! Yeah, sounds nutty huh? Oh well...its a sutra... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > Jacking the price of TM up may be a horrible mistake, but it > > certainly > > > makes sense from a > > > > marketing point of view. > > > > > > > Jacking up the price of TM aims it like a cannon at the > > consciousness > > > of the rich and powerful. > > > > > > Whether they pay for it or not, whether anyone pays for it or > not. > > By > > > creating an insurmountable disparity between the affordable > > technique > > > of the past and the current technique price, this draws the > > collective > > > consciousness of the meditators towards the rich and powerful. > Its > > a > > > Sutra. Boom! > > > > > > Shiva-->Guru Dev-->Maharishi--> Yes, obsessing on getting the attention of the rich and powerful has always been the cherished goal of spiritual traditions throughout the ages, and this most certainly puts MMY on par with Shiva. Why not just crown Robin Leach king of the TMO and then we'd really have some success. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Jacking the price of TM up may be a horrible mistake, but it > certainly > > makes sense from a > > > marketing point of view. > > > > > Jacking up the price of TM aims it like a cannon at the > consciousness > > of the rich and powerful. > > > > Whether they pay for it or not, whether anyone pays for it or not. > By > > creating an insurmountable disparity between the affordable > technique > > of the past and the current technique price, this draws the > collective > > consciousness of the meditators towards the rich and powerful. Its > a > > Sutra. Boom! > > > > Shiva-->Guru Dev-->Maharishi--> > > > > > Gosh, I'd love to know that stats for initiations since the Recerts > were created. > Probably no fewer, and since there are now major funding sources available for students, probably more initiations in the past year than in the past few years. For instance, I don't think that 500 students were initiated in the past few years at any single university prior to the new student study that just got under way. > (Why do I think of "Blade Runner" everytime I hear the > term "Recerts"?) > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Jacking the price of TM up may be a horrible mistake, but it > certainly > > makes sense from a > > > marketing point of view. > > > > > Jacking up the price of TM aims it like a cannon at the > consciousness > > of the rich and powerful. > > > > Whether they pay for it or not, whether anyone pays for it or not. > By > > creating an insurmountable disparity between the affordable > technique > > of the past and the current technique price, this draws the > collective > > consciousness of the meditators towards the rich and powerful. Its > a > > Sutra. Boom! > > > > Shiva-->Guru Dev-->Maharishi--> > > > > > Gosh, I'd love to know that stats for initiations since the Recerts > were created. Pretty damned low, I would guess in the US and Europe maybe 100 per month, tops. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > Jacking the price of TM up may be a horrible mistake, but it certainly > makes sense from a > > marketing point of view. > > > Jacking up the price of TM aims it like a cannon at the consciousness > of the rich and powerful. > > Whether they pay for it or not, whether anyone pays for it or not. By > creating an insurmountable disparity between the affordable technique > of the past and the current technique price, this draws the collective > consciousness of the meditators towards the rich and powerful. Its a > Sutra. Boom! > > Shiva-->Guru Dev-->Maharishi--> > Gosh, I'd love to know that stats for initiations since the Recerts were created. (Why do I think of "Blade Runner" everytime I hear the term "Recerts"?) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jacking the price of TM up may be a horrible mistake, but it certainly makes sense from a > marketing point of view. > Jacking up the price of TM aims it like a cannon at the consciousness of the rich and powerful. Whether they pay for it or not, whether anyone pays for it or not. By creating an insurmountable disparity between the affordable technique of the past and the current technique price, this draws the collective consciousness of the meditators towards the rich and powerful. Its a Sutra. Boom! Shiva-->Guru Dev-->Maharishi--> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In a Pure Capitalist economy, things are dictated purely by 'Demand and Supply'. In a competitive field where there are 40,000 TM teachers and other Spiritual cults, > > Is it wise for the TM-org to fix such high, exorbitant price for TM..?? > > I think, Somebody is misguiding Maharishi.?? I can tell you for sure that the high prices come straight from MMY. Many Many people including John Hegelin have tried to convince him that the high prices were counter productive. I heard of one instance where MMY began to leave the room rather than continue a discussion on this subject. At that point the proponents of reasonable prices relented. Same with raising tuition at MUM. A few years ago he wanted to make MUM an elite university overnight. The plan was to increase cost of attendance 50% to 30K, stop giving university subsidized scholarships, and market to rich families. There was very little discussion from the faculty (in public). It was just done. I was there. I believe it is true that MMY is surround by people who mostly tell him what he wants to hear. But, on this issue he has gotten a lot of negative feedback, repeatedly over the years. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In a Pure Capitalist economy, things are dictated purely by 'Demand and Supply'. In a competitive field where there are 40,000 TM teachers and other Spiritual cults, > > Is it wise for the TM-org to fix such high, exorbitant price for TM..?? > > I think, Somebody is misguiding Maharishi.?? > Nope. MMY's stated goal is to appeal to elitist snobs because they run the world. Leaving aside questions about whether or not TM will be of value to them (and thereby of greater value to the rest of the world because the rich and elite are getting something out of their TM practice), the decision to charge lots of money for TM practice to appeal directly to the elite is perfectly valid and sane. I mean, do you think your average CEO surfs the net to find minet and learns to meditate from a website, as an extreme opposite-end example? Even if they did, do you think that the CEO of IBM would instruct his employees to go to the same website, or would he hire expensive consultants to teach in-house? Keep in mind that he has to justify ANY expense by documenting it to the board of directors. Where's the 30 year's research on the minet technique documented? Can you PROVE to the accountant's satisfaction that the minet site instructions have the same effect as TM? Can he prove that setting aside 20 minutes twice-a-day to practice minet meditation is justifiable? He MAY be able to do it with TM, but not with the website technique, regardless of whether or not there is a measureable difference between them. No-one is going to sponsor the measurements in the first place so the assertion can never be proven to the accountants' satisfaction. Jacking the price of TM up may be a horrible mistake, but it certainly makes sense from a marketing point of view. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stadspark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you for your candid response.! I too see things in shades of gray... > Personally TM and being a sidha has been very good to me. I also realize it's not > necessarily good for everyone.. > > I just don't feel we need to pay such high prices for the knowledge... Why not? Do lower prices for this stuff attract the "right kind of" people to the organization? Elitist snobs run the world, and elistist snobs are, well, elistist. If you want to change elitist snobs via meditation, the most direct way to do it is to appeal to their elitism in order to get them to learn and pratice meditation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
In a Pure Capitalist economy, things are dictated purely by 'Demand and Supply'. In a competitive field where there are 40,000 TM teachers and other Spiritual cults, Is it wise for the TM-org to fix such high, exorbitant price for TM..?? I think, Somebody is misguiding Maharishi.?? Stadspark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 07:42:08 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..? Thank you for your candid response.! I too see things in shades of gray...Personally TM and being a sidha has been very good to me. I also realize it's not necessarily good for everyone..I just don't feel we need to pay such high prices for the knowledge... Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
Thank you for your candid response.! I too see things in shades of gray... Personally TM and being a sidha has been very good to me. I also realize it's not necessarily good for everyone.. I just don't feel we need to pay such high prices for the knowledge... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > on 5/15/06 12:14 PM, stadspark at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am new here... > > > > > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on > > here? > > > > Hard to say. There are many avid lurkers. Also, > > there are many who sign up > > and then forget about it and never read the stuff. > > > > > > Howmany live in Faifield? > > > > Quite a few, but most active posters are out of > > town. > > > > > > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of the > > minet.org documnents...? > > > > Sure, but few here have a TM-Ex orientation. Most of > > us don't see the world > > in black and white, and just want to know the truth > > about things, which is > > always mixed. At least that's my attitude. > > I think you nailed it, Dr. Archer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Everything you need is one�click away.� Make > Yahoo! > > your home page�now. > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM > > > ~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stadspark wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am new here... > > > > > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on here? > > > > > > Howmany live in Faifield? > > > > > > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of the minet.org > > documnents...? > > > > > > S > > > > > > > Tell us what the minet.og docs are I'll have a go. > > > > They're a collection of every negative thing the guy could find about TM and the TMO, > whether fact, rumor, half-truth or outright lie. > Kinda sound like FFL... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stadspark > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am new here... > > > > > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on > here? > > > > > > Howmany live in Faifield? > > > > This list has far more lurkers than participants, > and I don't think > > anyone could give you specific answers to either > of those > questions. > > However, there are, in fact, governors and/or > sidhas as well as > people > > in Fairfield on FairfieldLife. > > > > > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of > the minet.org > > > documnents...? > > > > If people are willing to discuss MMY's alleged sex > life, I don't > see > > why people wouldn't discuss the MINET material. My > advice: post a > > topic of discussion and see if anyone bites. > > > > > I'm not sure what the MINET material is but if it is > confidential > TMO stuff, I am uncomfortable with it appearing > here. > > However, if it must appear I always appreciate a > "SPOILERS" > reference in either the subject heading or at the > top of the text > window. Mantras, advanced techniques, A of E techniques. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > You can search right from your browser? It's easy > and it's free. See how. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stadspark wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am new here... > > > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on here? > > > > Howmany live in Faifield? > > > > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of the minet.org > documnents...? > > > > S > > > > Tell us what the minet.og docs are I'll have a go. > They're a collection of every negative thing the guy could find about TM and the TMO, whether fact, rumor, half-truth or outright lie. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stadspark wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am new here... > > > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on here? > > > > Howmany live in Faifield? > > This list has far more lurkers than participants, and I don't think > anyone could give you specific answers to either of those questions. > However, there are, in fact, governors and/or sidhas as well as people > in Fairfield on FairfieldLife. > > > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of the minet.org > > documnents...? > > If people are willing to discuss MMY's alleged sex life, I don't see > why people wouldn't discuss the MINET material. My advice: post a > topic of discussion and see if anyone bites. > I'm not sure what the MINET material is but if it is confidential TMO stuff, I am uncomfortable with it appearing here. However, if it must appear I always appreciate a "SPOILERS" reference in either the subject heading or at the top of the text window. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stadspark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I am new here... > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on here? > > Howmany live in Faifield? > > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of the minet.org documnents...? > > S > Tell us what the minet.og docs are I'll have a go. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello, I am new here - a fw q's..?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, stadspark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I am new here... > > Howmany governors and/or sidhas are actually on here? > > Howmany live in Faifield? This list has far more lurkers than participants, and I don't think anyone could give you specific answers to either of those questions. However, there are, in fact, governors and/or sidhas as well as people in Fairfield on FairfieldLife. > Do people feel comfortable discussing some of the minet.org > documnents...? If people are willing to discuss MMY's alleged sex life, I don't see why people wouldn't discuss the MINET material. My advice: post a topic of discussion and see if anyone bites. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
