Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
Yes, it is an analogy and simply reducing it down in narrow formula seems a narrow mentation as thinking strictly about it and evidently misses what is going on in the experience of the Meissner-like effect (ME) as two or more are gathered in proximity meditating. The certainty of the research now should urge people out to get their meditations checked and come meditate with the group for good reason. JGD ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The reductionism in linear fashion is simply the square root of 1% which I believe is Hagelin's formula which is based on analogy with super radiance in lasers. This in turn is loosely correlated with some comment Patanjali made in the Yoga Sutras. What I think you are doing is trying to fudge the formula, which does not appear to work, so that it looks like it works. Fairfield, IA itself has a population of about 10,000. One percent is 100 and the square root of 100 is 10, so you only need 10 people or perhaps a couple of more for the local area doing superradiance. Certainly the sidhas in the area can manage that in spite of trying to make a post hoc adjustment to make it look as if the formula works. It appears the formula really does not work, or if it does, the results are not to your liking. Frankly I think Maharishi used it as a ploy to get people to keep meditating and doing more advanced programs so they would progress toward enlightenment and not slack off. When "nature supports" exactly how does that work, and who does it benefit? Just the person, or those near them, or everyone around in the area, even people who have never even heard of meditation? It seems to me nature does what it does regardless, and that we have far less influence than we think, because we do not think clearly, don't have a clue as to the results of our actions even when we think we are performing "good" actions. I am all for people performing actions that lead in the direction of enlightenment, which to me is the realization that our essential nature is consciousness and that everything is in fact consciousness. But that doesn't say a word about how that knowledge affects the environment, only that it is the knowledge that consciousness is the environment. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 7:45:39 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No, both your reductionisms are boil down in only linear fashion. The puny Dome and the fragmented Fairfield program halls (..eleven (11) program halls scattered around the County and also people off by themselves) as numbers are just too small for the dull weight they lift. The larger tragedy here is that apparatchiks of the Patterson-Morris-Maharishi era let the Dome numbers get so bad. Or that ill-disciplined good meditators like some.. abandoned their posts. Superradiance critical mass evidently happens with numbers in proximity. Numbers and their proximity is in the basic science from the beginning, like the Bible says, where gathered ..there is superradiance. That superradiance lives as a reality of spiritual practice evident in the science and by experience while the peer science is still good in principle as it is replicated. In doubt you seem trying too hard to disgrace those who are here and what is at hand in contending simple linear reductions. Quite instead, you all should be here meditating for all sorts of good reasons in life. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
The reductionism in linear fashion is simply the square root of 1% which I believe is Hagelin's formula which is based on analogy with super radiance in lasers. This in turn is loosely correlated with some comment Patanjali made in the Yoga Sutras. What I think you are doing is trying to fudge the formula, which does not appear to work, so that it looks like it works. Fairfield, IA itself has a population of about 10,000. One percent is 100 and the square root of 100 is 10, so you only need 10 people or perhaps a couple of more for the local area doing superradiance. Certainly the sidhas in the area can manage that in spite of trying to make a post hoc adjustment to make it look as if the formula works. It appears the formula really does not work, or if it does, the results are not to your liking. Frankly I think Maharishi used it as a ploy to get people to keep meditating and doing more advanced programs so they would progress toward enlightenment and not slack off. When "nature supports" exactly how does that work, and who does it benefit? Just the person, or those near them, or everyone around in the area, even people who have never even heard of meditation? It seems to me nature does what it does regardless, and that we have far less influence than we think, because we do not think clearly, don't have a clue as to the results of our actions even when we think we are performing "good" actions. I am all for people performing actions that lead in the direction of enlightenment, which to me is the realization that our essential nature is consciousness and that everything is in fact consciousness. But that doesn't say a word about how that knowledge affects the environment, only that it is the knowledge that consciousness is the environment. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 7:45:39 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: No, both your reductionisms are boil down in only linear fashion. The puny Dome and the fragmented Fairfield program halls (..eleven (11) program halls scattered around the County and also people off by themselves) as numbers are just too small for the dull weight they lift. The larger tragedy here is that apparatchiks of the Patterson-Morris-Maharishi era let the Dome numbers get so bad. Or that ill-disciplined good meditators like some.. abandoned their posts. Superradiance critical mass evidently happens with numbers in proximity. Numbers and their proximity is in the basic science from the beginning, like the Bible says, where gathered ..there is superradiance. That superradiance lives as a reality of spiritual practice evident in the science and by experience while the peer science is still good in principle as it is replicated. In doubt you seem trying too hard to disgrace those who are here and what is at hand in contending simple linear reductions. Quite instead, you all should be here meditating for all sorts of good reasons in life. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of attendance in domes is around 400, which ME predicts should powerfully and positively affect across a much larger region, an area of 16 million. The ME effects in FF and Iowa, one would expect from the ME theory to be extraordinary, after 30 years of constant practice in the domes of at least 400, much larger in some eras. The ME threshold is exceeded by at least a factor of 40 in FF, and a factor of 2 - 10 for Iowa over the years. Yet FF and Iowa, on a comparative basis, do not have exceptional crime reduction,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
No, both your reductionisms are boil down in only linear fashion. The puny Dome and the fragmented Fairfield program halls (..eleven (11) program halls scattered around the County and also people off by themselves) as numbers are just too small for the dull weight they lift. The larger tragedy here is that apparatchiks of the Patterson-Morris-Maharishi era let the Dome numbers get so bad. Or that ill-disciplined good meditators like some.. abandoned their posts. Superradiance critical mass evidently happens with numbers in proximity. Numbers and their proximity is in the basic science from the beginning, like the Bible says, where gathered ..there is superradiance. That superradiance lives as a reality of spiritual practice evident in the science and by experience while the peer science is still good in principle as it is replicated. In doubt you seem trying too hard to disgrace those who are here and what is at hand in contending simple linear reductions. Quite instead, you all should be here meditating for all sorts of good reasons in life. Jai Guru Dev ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of attendance in domes is around 400, which ME predicts should powerfully and positively affect across a much larger region, an area of 16 million. The ME effects in FF and Iowa, one would expect from the ME theory to be extraordinary, after 30 years of constant practice in the domes of at least 400, much larger in some eras. The ME threshold is exceeded by at least a factor of 40 in FF, and a factor of 2 - 10 for Iowa over the years. Yet FF and Iowa, on a comparative basis, do not have exceptional crime reduction, or economic performance -- or any other measures that I can find. (And per the topic of this thread, CAFOs in Iowa have quadrupled since 2001, and are a growing problem negatively affecting the quality of life on many levels.) What are the effects of ME in FF and Iowa that are consistent with its predictions? And beyond lack of noticeable effects on crime and economy in FF and Iowa, are there any studies indicating ME affects climate change? I wish the challenge of climate change was as simple as having groups of ME practitioners totaling < 10,000 worldwide. However, given the above, it does not seem credible or plausible. Better perhaps, that people world-wide meditate and then act with clearer minds to transform our economies and cultures towards a thriving civilization with zero to negative (via sequestration) greenhouse gas emissions
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
I was about to put up similar figures. The current estimated population of Iowa for 2018 is 3.16 million. 0.01% is 31,600 and √31,600 = 177.763888 which means you only need 178 people for program in Iowa. So that means if more hogs in Iowa near Fairfield represent the lack of support of the laws of nature, then the ME formula is false. Alternately if the formula is correct, then the presence of additional hog farms represents support of the laws of nature for the greater population of Iowa, and not based on the desire of a small contingent community with contrary ideas. Again, alternately, were the formula true, and more hogs come, the program itself must be faulty and not be implementing the effect. Regardless of a small part of the universe, the whole remains in balance. You have (at least seeming) control over action alone, never its fruits. This point in the Bhagavad-Gita always seems to be forgotten. Desiring a certain result and expecting it to always come true is known as spiritual materialism, and represents a lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness. On Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 1:18:27 PM GMT, skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Doug, As simple and hopeful as the ME theory sounds, from my calcs, it does not add up. Iowa has 3 million people. Square root of .1% = 173. FF has 10,000 so 10 is ME threshold number for FF. From what I have read the low range of attendance in domes is around 400, which ME predicts should powerfully and positively affect across a much larger region, an area of 16 million. The ME effects in FF and Iowa, one would expect from the ME theory to be extraordinary, after 30 years of constant practice in the domes of at least 400, much larger in some eras. The ME threshold is exceeded by at least a factor of 40 in FF, and a factor of 2 - 10 for Iowa over the years. Yet FF and Iowa, on a comparative basis, do not have exceptional crime reduction, or economic performance -- or any other measures that I can find. (And per the topic of this thread, CAFOs in Iowa have quadrupled since 2001, and are a growing problem negatively affecting the quality of life on many levels.) What are the effects of ME in FF and Iowa that are consistent with its predictions? And beyond lack of noticeable effects on crime and economy in FF and Iowa, are there any studies indicating ME affects climate change? I wish the challenge of climate change was as simple as having groups of ME practitioners totaling < 10,000 worldwide. However, given the above, it does not seem credible or plausible. Better perhaps, that people world-wide meditate and then act with clearer minds to transform our economies and cultures towards a thriving civilization with zero to negative (via sequestration) greenhouse gas emissions
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
Answering part of your posed criticism about the superradiance effect of meditators, while the Domes are fabulous places for meditating but there has not been many times of super radiant numbers meditating together for decades. From the late 1980’s and through the 1990’s and ‘00’s the Morris-Patterson era administration of the movement with Maharishi fragmented the super radiant effect of the group, dividing granting socioeconomic specialness and separating people by fealty from the larger group administratively. The metrics for the American movement were in the tank whence the American assembly was initiated in the summer of 2006. For some months then meditators came from all over to the group meditation in Fairfield coming from Western Europe, Canada, the UK, Asia, Israel and from what was left of the US movement then. That was super radiant then for a while, 10 years ago. So it is not acceptable to assert that the proliferation of hog confinements now is some failure of the group practice. It is a better example of the failure of the administration facilitating the meditation. However Fairfield is still okay for now, as much as the Hog industrialists would love to get back at Fairfielders by crossing it up with confinements. x ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why You Don’t Want More CAFOs in Jefferson County 1. Property Values Plummet Near CAFOs Property values of residences drop up to 40 percent near factory farms. (Colorado State University study of Iowa properties). 2. People Living Near CAFOs Experience Health Problems Neighbors living within two miles of a CAFO (confined animal feeding operation, or factory farm) have experienced wheezing, chest tightness, shortness of breath, excessive coughing, nausea, diarrhea, sore throat, eye irritation, headache, runny nose and weakness. (Numerous University of North Carolina studies) Children who attend schools near CAFOs suffer higher incidences of asthma. (Study in Pediatrics journal) Neighbors living near a hog confinement experienced more depression, tension, anger, fatigue, and confusion and less vigor. (North Carolina study) Factory farms emit over 200 gases and particulates. Here are just a few that you will breathe in: ammonia, hydrogen sulfide, particulates such as fecal matter and skin cells, volatile organic compounds, methane, and viruses. A 2002 report by Iowa State University and the University of Iowa determined that hydrogen sulfide and ammonia emissions from CAFOs are a health risk for humans. Antibiotic-resistant bacteria (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, known as MRSA), is found in Iowa hogs and CAFO workers. (University of Iowa study) MRSA is difficult to treat, can be fatal in people with weakened immune systems, and is becoming more common because of the heavy use of antibiotics on factory farms. 3. CAFOs Stink Confined hogs generate three times the amount of raw waste as humans. (EPA). The liquid manure goes into concrete pits below the confinement where it sits and putrefies for 6-12 months. Huge fans blow the poisonous air out of the confinements, and residents breathe it in. If you live within 3-4 miles of a CAFO, your air is going to stink. If you live near a field where manure will be applied, it will stink there, too. Breathing in this air can make you sick. 4. Your Quality of Life Will Diminish People who live near factory farms report that they don’t enjoy their homes any longer. Some experiences people report include: No longer opening windows to get fresh air into their homes. (There is no fresh air anymore.) Living in basements to get away from the smell that seeps through closed windows. Coping with overwhelming fly infestations. Flies may also contribute to the spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Ending all outdoor entertaining with family and friends. 5. Your Community Will Deteriorate Increased traffic from tractor-trailer feed trucks breaks down community roads, and local tax money pays for repairs. Fuel taxes don’t come close to covering costs. Taxes often rise, and local community services get reduced to keep up with maintenance. It’s common to see businesses close and people move out when factory farms move in. 6. The Environment Suffers Iowa has some of the worst waterways in the nation. Over 800 manure spills have occurred in the last 10 years. Fish kills are common. Children can’t play in streams without concerns of exposure to E. coli or other bacteria. JFAN works to keep CAFOs out of Jefferson County, safeguarding your health, property values, quality of life, and the environment. Jefferson County Farmers & Neighbors, Inc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
Why You Don’t Want More CAFOs in Jefferson County 1. Property Values Plummet Near CAFOs Property values of residences drop up to 40 percent near factory farms. (Colorado State University study of Iowa properties). 2. People Living Near CAFOs Experience Health Problems Neighbors living within two miles of a CAFO (confined animal feeding operation, or factory farm) have experienced wheezing, chest tightness, shortness of breath, excessive coughing, nausea, diarrhea, sore throat, eye irritation, headache, runny nose and weakness. (Numerous University of North Carolina studies) Children who attend schools near CAFOs suffer higher incidences of asthma. (Study in Pediatrics journal) Neighbors living near a hog confinement experienced more depression, tension, anger, fatigue, and confusion and less vigor. (North Carolina study) Factory farms emit over 200 gases and particulates. Here are just a few that you will breathe in: ammonia, hydrogen sulfide, particulates such as fecal matter and skin cells, volatile organic compounds, methane, and viruses. A 2002 report by Iowa State University and the University of Iowa determined that hydrogen sulfide and ammonia emissions from CAFOs are a health risk for humans. Antibiotic-resistant bacteria (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, known as MRSA), is found in Iowa hogs and CAFO workers. (University of Iowa study) MRSA is difficult to treat, can be fatal in people with weakened immune systems, and is becoming more common because of the heavy use of antibiotics on factory farms. 3. CAFOs Stink Confined hogs generate three times the amount of raw waste as humans. (EPA). The liquid manure goes into concrete pits below the confinement where it sits and putrefies for 6-12 months. Huge fans blow the poisonous air out of the confinements, and residents breathe it in. If you live within 3-4 miles of a CAFO, your air is going to stink. If you live near a field where manure will be applied, it will stink there, too. Breathing in this air can make you sick. 4. Your Quality of Life Will Diminish People who live near factory farms report that they don’t enjoy their homes any longer. Some experiences people report include: No longer opening windows to get fresh air into their homes. (There is no fresh air anymore.) Living in basements to get away from the smell that seeps through closed windows. Coping with overwhelming fly infestations. Flies may also contribute to the spread of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Ending all outdoor entertaining with family and friends. 5. Your Community Will Deteriorate Increased traffic from tractor-trailer feed trucks breaks down community roads, and local tax money pays for repairs. Fuel taxes don’t come close to covering costs. Taxes often rise, and local community services get reduced to keep up with maintenance. It’s common to see businesses close and people move out when factory farms move in. 6. The Environment Suffers Iowa has some of the worst waterways in the nation. Over 800 manure spills have occurred in the last 10 years. Fish kills are common. Children can’t play in streams without concerns of exposure to E. coli or other bacteria. JFAN works to keep CAFOs out of Jefferson County, safeguarding your health, property values, quality of life, and the environment. Jefferson County Farmers & Neighbors, Inc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Pass Large Hog Confinement Master Matrix
The Explosion of CAFOs in Iowa and Its Impact on Water Quality and Public Health https://www.iowapolicyproject.org/2018docs/180125-CAFO.pdf https://www.iowapolicyproject.org/2018docs/180125-CAFO.pdf
