[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-10 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Akasha108 writes: big snip
If a leader is a reflection of the consciousness of their citizens and
Bush is mediocre -- Bush  doesn't have *stature*, tragic flaws, isn't
worthy of a history play, isn't an interesting personality, etc. then
perhaps America is getting enlightened and is simply less attached
to (any significance of) its imperfections, outer projections, and
returning karma. And/or Bush is simply a method to help culture such
an awareness in America's collective consciousness.

Tom T:
As a nation addicted to power and cheap oil we have the best leader we
could ever want. Bush the addict is leading us down the slippery slope
to the bottom that all addicts eventually find as the only way out.
Who else to lead us all there but the epitome of the dangerous addict
who will do anything he has to do to maintain his source. All addicts
protect their source and the ability to satisfy the craving. Old Bushy
here is in the same mode. Just watch him, clever and lying like hell
to keep the whole deal rolling forward. We are along for the ride.
Hope we all learn something and that it doesn't have to be total
bottom for all of us. TOm





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 10/8/05 5:18 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  And I am *truly* cynical enough to believe
   that it may take a wake up call on the level of the
   Great Depression Squared to shock most Americans out
   of their self-involved lethargy -- politically, eco-
   nomically, ecologically, and in terms of compassion
   for their fellow man.
  
  It's probably coming. A number of probably things could trigger 
  it, and Bush has done a crackerjack job setting us up for it. 
  Hard to imagine how anyone
  could have done more damage in 5 years as president.
 
 Just wait for the next 3...

Sadly, I fear you are right.  Unlike Nixon, these
people will not go quietly.  








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-09 Thread akasha_108
Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Hard to imagine how anyone could have done more damage in 5 years as
president.

What are the top 10 most damaging things that you believe Bush has
done over the past 5 years?












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 SNIP
 
  Bush is something that never should have happened
  in the first place, a stupid mistake.
 
 
 
 Every group gets the government it deserves -- Bush is a mistake 
 only in the sense that he is representative of a very mistaken 
 people. Bush happened because the American people are, on average, 
 as stupid as he is (turn on the TV any night if you doubt that), 
 and they continue to channelize his thinking. Only higher 
 consciousness among the populace will create a situation where 
 more intelligent leaders are enabled.

For once, Bob and I are in perfect agreement.  The 
rest of the world perceives George W. Bush -- in my
opinion correctly -- as the almost perfect embodi-
ment of the collective consciousness of the American
people.

How to change that collective consciousness is another
story.  I'm still non-cynical enough to believe that
if more people practiced meditation and self discovery
it would have a tremendous effect.  I *am* cynical 
enough to *not* believe that a bunch of people bouncing
on their butts will affect it very much, or that build-
ing a bunch of overpriced pre-fab homes will affect it
very much.  And I am *truly* cynical enough to believe
that it may take a wake up call on the level of the
Great Depression Squared to shock most Americans out
of their self-involved lethargy -- politically, eco-
nomically, ecologically, and in terms of compassion
for their fellow man.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 SNIP
 
  Bush is something that never should have happened
  in the first place, a stupid mistake.
  
 
 
 
 Every group gets the government it deserves

Yeah, that's a given.  I was trying to get at 
something else entirely and having trouble
articulating it.

 -- Bush is a mistake
 only in the sense that he is representative of a very mistaken 
 people. Bush happened because the American people are, on average, 
 as stupid as he is (turn on the TV any night if you doubt that), 
 and they continue to channelize his thinking. Only higher 
 consciousness among the populace will create a situation where more 
 intelligent leaders are enabled.

See, we *used* to have more intelligent leaders,
even if they were bad ones.  That was why I was
comparing Bush with Nixon.

Shakespeare could have written a play about Nixon;
he's a Richard III-type character.  But Shakespeare
would never have written a play about Bush.  He just
doesn't have the *stature*.  There's more to it than
lack of intelligence (and he isn't stupid IQ-wise).
Bush doesn't have a tragic flaw; his flaws don't
rise to the level of tragedy.  Bush wouldn't even
be worth writing a history play about because he 
isn't an interesting enough personality.

For that matter, Shakespeare could have written a
play about Clinton, or Lyndon Johnson, or Kennedy,
or Eisenhower, even Jimmy Carter, or Bush I.

Bush is at the center of some of the most important
events and trends in American (and world) history.
But he's just a cipher, an *absence*.  There's no
there there.

If Shakespeare *had* to write a play about the Bush
era, the main character would have to be Karl Rove,
or perhaps Cheney; Bush would be a minor character.

That's why I say he's a mistake--it's as if the
trends of time took a detour they weren't supposed
to take and got stuck in a dead end.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 And I am *truly* cynical enough to believe
 that it may take a wake up call on the level of the
 Great Depression Squared to shock most Americans out
 of their self-involved lethargy -- politically, eco-
 nomically, ecologically, and in terms of compassion
 for their fellow man.
 
 How is this too much different from saying it will take the
 destruction of the French Quarter for a new world of light 
 to dawn?

I don't think I said that Americans *deserve* the
Great Depression Squared in a karmic sense (although
there is certainly a case to be made for that), or
that such an event would be the result of some kind
of Natural Law, only that an event of that magni-
tude may be what is necessary to wake them up.  
They're that far gone.  I don't think that they'll
really do anything to change things until they're
starving in the streets.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Judy:
snip
  That's why I say he's a mistake--it's as if the
  trends of time took a detour they weren't supposed
  to take and got stuck in a dead end.
 
 A: 
 Do you know that to be absolutely true? Where would you be without
 that thought?
 
 If a leader is a reflection of the consciousness of their citizens 
 and Bush is mediocre -- Bush  doesn't have *stature*, tragic flaws, 
 isn't worthy of a history play, isn't an interesting personality, 
 etc. then perhaps America is getting enlightened and is simply 
 less attached to (any significance of) its imperfections, outer 
 projections, and returning karma. And/or Bush is simply a method 
 to help culture such an awareness in America's collective 
 consciousness.

By golly, I never thought of it that way.  Heaven on
Earth is truly dawning before our very eyes!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  Judy:
 snip
   That's why I say he's a mistake--it's as if the
   trends of time took a detour they weren't supposed
   to take and got stuck in a dead end.
  
  A: 
  Do you know that to be absolutely true? Where would you be without
  that thought?
  
  If a leader is a reflection of the consciousness of their citizens 
  and Bush is mediocre -- Bush  doesn't have *stature*, tragic flaws, 
  isn't worthy of a history play, isn't an interesting personality, 
  etc. then perhaps America is getting enlightened and is simply 
  less attached to (any significance of) its imperfections, outer 
  projections, and returning karma. And/or Bush is simply a method 
  to help culture such an awareness in America's collective 
  consciousness.
 
 By golly, I never thought of it that way.  Heaven on
 Earth is truly dawning before our very eyes!


The operative word is perhaps. And perhaps an OSF would have helped
clarify the intent of the thought. But its as substantial a theory as
any others put forth. Personally, I don't give great weight to any. By
golly.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/8/05 5:18 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And I am *truly* cynical enough to believe
 that it may take a wake up call on the level of the
 Great Depression Squared to shock most Americans out
 of their self-involved lethargy -- politically, eco-
 nomically, ecologically, and in terms of compassion
 for their fellow man.

It's probably coming. A number of probably things could trigger it, and Bush
has done a crackerjack job setting us up for it. Hard to imagine how anyone
could have done more damage in 5 years as president.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/8/05 9:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 And I am *truly* cynical enough to believe
 that it may take a wake up call on the level of the
 Great Depression Squared to shock most Americans out
 of their self-involved lethargy -- politically, eco-
 nomically, ecologically, and in terms of compassion
 for their fellow man.
 
 How is this too much different from saying it will take the
 destruction of the French Quarter for a new world of light
 to dawn?
 
 I don't think I said that Americans *deserve* the
 Great Depression Squared in a karmic sense (although
 there is certainly a case to be made for that), or
 that such an event would be the result of some kind
 of Natural Law, only that an event of that magni-
 tude may be what is necessary to wake them up.
 They're that far gone.  I don't think that they'll
 really do anything to change things until they're
 starving in the streets.

But I feel it's going to be global. Some doomsayers, whom part of me tends
to believe, predict that we're on the verge of a culling which will kill off
a majority of the world's population.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   Judy:
  snip
That's why I say he's a mistake--it's as if the
trends of time took a detour they weren't supposed
to take and got stuck in a dead end.
   
   A: 
   Do you know that to be absolutely true? Where would you be 
   without that thought?
   
   If a leader is a reflection of the consciousness of their 
   citizens and Bush is mediocre -- Bush  doesn't have *stature*, 
   tragic flaws, isn't worthy of a history play, isn't an 
   interesting personality, etc. then perhaps America is 
   getting enlightened and is simply less attached to (any 
   significance of) its imperfections, outer projections, and 
   returning karma. And/or Bush is simply a method 
   to help culture such an awareness in America's collective 
   consciousness.
  
  By golly, I never thought of it that way.  Heaven on
  Earth is truly dawning before our very eyes!
 
 The operative word is perhaps. And perhaps an OSF would have
 helped clarify the intent of the thought.

Clear to me.  Very clever.

 But its as substantial a theory as any others put forth. 
 Personally, I don't give great weight to any. By golly.

I really wasn't proposing a theory, just trying to
describe what the present climate *feels* like--i.e.,
on the feeling level--to me, and I suspect to many
of my politically like-minded contemporaries.  It's
this huge sense of incongruity, like going after a
flea with an elephant gun, but you *have* to, because
the flea is causing such chaos and devastation.  It's
all way out of proportion.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread feste37
I agree with every word you write here, Judy. I was thinking a few days ago of 
how Bush seems like a Nixon figure now. The indictments are closing in and 
he is looking increasingly isolated and desperate. He is simply a man who is 
not up to the job (although that part is not like Nixon). I saw Bush talk about 
Miers yesterday. First he said she was a fantastic woman. Then he said she 
was honest and open. These are things you might say when giving a 
reference for someone applying for a job as a salesclerk or something, not a 
Supreme Court nominee, who should have a first-class legal mind. Bush is a 
strange aberration in our history, and the sooner we are rid of him the better. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What cracks me up is to see conservatives saying
 things like this (quote from Kathryn Jean Lopez
 on the Corner, National Review Online's group
 blog):
 
 The president just took some questions. To
 sum up his message: She's my girl. She's a
 good girl. Trust me.
 
 I hate this groaning-when-the-president-speaks
 reflex I've had all week on this issue.
 
 We feel your pain, Kathryn.
 
 If they were just griping because Bush wasn't
 conservative enough for them, it wouldn't be
 so satisfying.  But their disgust with the Miers
 nomination (and some previous perceived failures
 they were quieter about) has, it seems, finally
 awakened them to what a shallow, arrogant,
 petty, childish sad sack Bush is.
 
 Or maybe they saw that all along, but now they're
 so pissed they've dropped the pretense.
 
 Don't know how many of you folks were politically
 aware during Watergate, but it feels very much
 like that--except that Bush is so much smaller a
 figure than Nixon.  As horrid as Nixon was, he
 had a certain tragic dignity.  In bringing him
 down, there was a feeling of having accomplished
 something significant, of having righted a major
 wrong.  He was Shakespearean in stature, a real
 villain.
 
 Bush is something that never should have happened
 in the first place, a stupid mistake.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll
  
  WASHINGTON - Evangelicals, Republican women,
  Southerners and other critical groups in President
  Bush's political coalition are worried about the
  direction the nation is headed and disappointed with
  his performance, an AP-Ipsos poll found. 
  
  That unease could be a troubling sign for a White
  House already struggling to keep the Republican Party
  base from slipping over Supreme Court nominee Harriet
  Miers, Gulf Coast spending projects, immigration and
  other issues.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 10/8/05 5:18 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 And I am *truly* cynical enough to believe
  that it may take a wake up call on the level of the
  Great Depression Squared to shock most Americans out
  of their self-involved lethargy -- politically, eco-
  nomically, ecologically, and in terms of compassion
  for their fellow man.
 
 It's probably coming. A number of probably things could trigger it, 
and Bush
 has done a crackerjack job setting us up for it. Hard to imagine how 
anyone
 could have done more damage in 5 years as president.


Just wait for the next 3...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-07 Thread authfriend
What cracks me up is to see conservatives saying
things like this (quote from Kathryn Jean Lopez
on the Corner, National Review Online's group
blog):

The president just took some questions. To
sum up his message: She's my girl. She's a
good girl. Trust me.

I hate this groaning-when-the-president-speaks
reflex I've had all week on this issue.

We feel your pain, Kathryn.

If they were just griping because Bush wasn't
conservative enough for them, it wouldn't be
so satisfying.  But their disgust with the Miers
nomination (and some previous perceived failures
they were quieter about) has, it seems, finally
awakened them to what a shallow, arrogant,
petty, childish sad sack Bush is.

Or maybe they saw that all along, but now they're
so pissed they've dropped the pretense.

Don't know how many of you folks were politically
aware during Watergate, but it feels very much
like that--except that Bush is so much smaller a
figure than Nixon.  As horrid as Nixon was, he
had a certain tragic dignity.  In bringing him
down, there was a feeling of having accomplished
something significant, of having righted a major
wrong.  He was Shakespearean in stature, a real
villain.

Bush is something that never should have happened
in the first place, a stupid mistake.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_ap_poll
 
 WASHINGTON - Evangelicals, Republican women,
 Southerners and other critical groups in President
 Bush's political coalition are worried about the
 direction the nation is headed and disappointed with
 his performance, an AP-Ipsos poll found. 
 
 That unease could be a troubling sign for a White
 House already struggling to keep the Republican Party
 base from slipping over Supreme Court nominee Harriet
 Miers, Gulf Coast spending projects, immigration and
 other issues.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Poll: Groups Unhappy With Bush Performance

2005-10-07 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

SNIP

 Bush is something that never should have happened
 in the first place, a stupid mistake.
 



Every group gets the government it deserves -- Bush is a mistake only 
in the sense that he is representative of a very mistaken people. Bush 
happened because the American people are, on average, as stupid as he 
is (turn on the TV any night if you doubt that), and they continue to 
channelize his thinking. Only higher consciousness among the populace 
will create a situation where more intelligent leaders are enabled. 





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