Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
And sometimes it's fun to be silly and totally unspiritual. Remember, I'm the one who began TM so that I could fulfill all my desires. Little did I know what that promise actually meant. Lucky me (-: From: navashok To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > I guess I haven't read as much of your writing as others here have. AND I > didn't see much of YOUR writing style in the extra long post (-: > As for my traveling to India, anything is possible and I do think I would > love it, the richness of it, the sweetness of the people, the unfamiliar > beauty of the culture. For me this is where the best spirituality abides. > Maybe I got a little taste of that when I went to Amma's programs. You've > planted a good idea in my heart and mind, thank you. Well, I'm glad I did. This was the purpose of my post - to connect with intelligent spiritual people ;-) > > From: navashok > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:08 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Welcome back K T (-: > > Thanks Share. > > > And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in. > > How did you all figure it out so quickly? > > Not difficult really. Apart from the writing style, I frequently mention > India - from where I'm posting right now - mentioned the Matri Mandir before, > and probably a few other clues. > > But Share, I really think you should come here one day, you know, Arunachala, > Tiruvannamalai, Pondicherry and Auroville (Matri Mandir). You will enjoy the > spiritual atmosphere here - not that you don't have any of that in Fairfield > as well, but I think it's good to see something different, experience a > different spiritual subculture, and I'm sure you would love India. > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - I think he > should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, because a lot of what he says > relates to that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. > Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, but from a typical Indian > perspective, not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his solution > of the problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > > > > From: navashok > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > > > >  > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new > > > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last > > > time he was here. > > > > Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-) > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > I guess I haven't read as much of your writing as others here have. AND I > didn't see much of YOUR writing style in the extra long post (-: > As for my traveling to India, anything is possible and I do think I would > love it, the richness of it, the sweetness of the people, the unfamiliar > beauty of the culture. For me this is where the best spirituality abides. > Maybe I got a little taste of that when I went to Amma's programs. You've > planted a good idea in my heart and mind, thank you. Well, I'm glad I did. This was the purpose of my post - to connect with intelligent spiritual people ;-) > > From: navashok > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:08 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Welcome back K T (-: > > Thanks Share. > > > And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in. > > How did you all figure it out so quickly? > > Not difficult really. Apart from the writing style, I frequently mention > India - from where I'm posting right now - mentioned the Matri Mandir before, > and probably a few other clues. > > But Share, I really think you should come here one day, you know, Arunachala, > Tiruvannamalai, Pondicherry and Auroville (Matri Mandir). You will enjoy the > spiritual atmosphere here - not that you don't have any of that in Fairfield > as well, but I think it's good to see something different, experience a > different spiritual subculture, and I'm sure you would love India. > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - I think he > should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, because a lot of what he says > relates to that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. > Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, but from a typical Indian > perspective, not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his solution > of the problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > > > > From: navashok > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > > > > à> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new > > > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last > > > time he was here. > > > > Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-) > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I thought so.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm going by your description
> > > > > > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV,
> > > > > > > > rules out any possible interest on Robin's part.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something
> > > > > > is not anything he considers constructive.
> > > > >
> > > > > So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read
> > > > > the book?
> > > >
> > > > I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again,
> > > > see if you can find it.
> > >
> > > You are not saying anything constructive. If you want, why
> > > don't you just try again?
> >
> > First you show me you were able to find where I told you
> > how I knew you were wrong.
>
> Look at your own contorted sentence. It says really all about
> you. I am not wrong in the first place.
You are wrong, and my sentence isn't particularly elegant,
but it isn't "contorted." Your reading comprehension is
so poor you have no idea what I wrote telling you how I
knew you were wrong, but you can't bring yourself to
admit it.
> Second, you don't even
> know why I would suggest the reading to him, because you don't
> know the book. End of story.
Too funny. You've forgotten that you explained why you
suggested the book to him.
> Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, it
> applies to you exactly, and this thread is testimony of it.
You have lost your marbles, navashok. Either that, or
you didn't read the article yourself.
> All you intend is to get me somehow, engage me with your
> insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, you even admitted
> this tactic once.
I don't believe I ever "admitted" to such a "tactic." I may
have said I'd prefer that you weren't on the forum. You
have repeatedly gone after me when I haven't said a word to
you. You posted that excerpt from Robin's old book and
pretended it still represented his thinking when he wasn't
around to deny it. If anyone is a "stalker" here, it's you
(and Barry, of course).
You did not have to respond to what I told you. It was your
choice to start an argument.
> This is just so love and perverted.
("Low"--he corrected himself.)
> > > > > Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by
> > > > > Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let
> > > > > Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not?
> > > >
> > > > What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding
> > > > whether he wants to read it?
> > >
> > > Didn't say this, did I?
> >
> > You sure did. "Why not let Robin decide?"
>
> Not the same sentence. Yours is twisted (of course)
Please take some lessons in English. "Why not let Robin
decide?" implies (semantically) that Robin can decide
only if I let him.
> > > > I haven't been addressing him,
> > > > I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to
> > > > read.
> > >
> > > Exactly, you are not even in the picture.
> >
> > (guffaw) Non sequitur.
>
> Yep, it relates, as you said I started a fight with you.
English lessons. Take some English lessons.
> > > > > Since you don't even know about what the book is.
> > > >
> > > > See above.
> > >
> > > Non sequitur
> >
> > Not. Lack of reading comprehension on your part.
> >
> > > > > Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are
> > > > > always so guarded to not actually say something concrete,
> > > > > so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to
> > > > > 'win' your arguments.
> > > >
> > > > That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the
> > > > arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your
> > > > problems comprehending English.
> > > >
> > > I think you are a little out of sync. This post wasn't addressed
> > > to you at all, it was to Share,
> >
> > (Who hasn't a clue whether Robin would have an interest in
> > reading Aurobindo.)
>
> No need to int interrupt the sentence here. I can very well
> address something to Share, and something else to somebody else
> in the same post.
Of course you can, and you did: your remark in that post
about Aurobindo was addressed to Robin (although he isn't
here)--but above you say the post was addressed to Share.
You are *incoherent*, navashok.
> Judy, it's exactly this kind of arguing, which makes you so
> silly. What you try to imply is not said by me in any way.
> You just deceive and create a smokescreen. I am obviously not
> the first one to state this here.
Nobody who has said this, including you, was being honest.
> It doesn't help you, it doesn't help anyone, you just post
> out early, that's all.
Or not, as the case may be.
> > and mentioned Robin. You we
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
my wife refers to it as, "getting out of your own way".:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty > > much OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. > > Whatever comes up. > > > > Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every > > direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I > > am, again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually > > enjoyable. > > > Sounds like a lot of fun :-) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED... > > > > > > > And what did it get you? Curious. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok [to Dr Dumbass & Share]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Ah, Doc, I love this abiding simplicity in all and every direction. Which > can also be very surprising (-: > What I'd add in reply to Xeno is that the only thing I got is that It's been > here the whole time. > > From: "doctordumbass@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:50 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok >  > Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much > OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever > comes up. > > Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every > direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, > again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually > enjoyable. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: >>> >>> ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED... >>> >> And what did it get you? Curious. >> I think that kind of completes it! What I am curious about is some people seem to just slide into this gracefully, and some have a sudden realisation, a shift in perspective that blows them away, and some are in between in how it happens; some seem prepared; some are unprepared and have difficulties with the shift.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, > > it applies to you exactly, and this thread is testimony > > of it. All you intend is to get me somehow, engage me > > with your insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, > > you even admitted this tactic once. This is just so > > *love* and perverted. > > Haha, love would be good, what I had in mind was low. There are people for whom the two concepts are conflated.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
Perhaps a little Leyenda is in order. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCeebWgjrrU&feature=related > > From: navashok >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:10 PM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > >> >> Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, it applies to you >> exactly, and this thread is testimony of it. All you intend is to get me >> somehow, engage me with your insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, you >> even admitted this tactic once. This is just so *love* and perverted. >> > >Haha, love would be good, what I had in mind was low. > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, it applies to you > exactly, and this thread is testimony of it. All you intend is to get me > somehow, engage me with your insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, you > even admitted this tactic once. This is just so *love* and perverted. > Haha, love would be good, what I had in mind was low.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > (snip) > > > > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going by your description > > > > > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, > > > > > > > rules out any possible interest on Robin's part. > > > > > > > > > > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute, > > > > > > > > > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something > > > > > is not anything he considers constructive. > > > > > > > > So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read > > > > the book? > > > > > > I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again, > > > see if you can find it. > > > > You are not saying anything constructive. If you want, why > > don't you just try again? > > First you show me you were able to find where I told you > how I knew you were wrong. Look at your own contorted sentence. It says really all about you. I am not wrong in the first place. Second, you don't even know why I would suggest the reading to him, because you don't know the book. End of story. Read the article about cyberstalking Barry just posted, it applies to you exactly, and this thread is testimony of it. All you intend is to get me somehow, engage me with your insane tactics, to chase me off the forum, you even admitted this tactic once. This is just so love and perverted. > > > > Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by > > > > Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let > > > > Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not? > > > > > > What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding > > > whether he wants to read it? > > > > Didn't say this, did I? > > You sure did. "Why not let Robin decide?" Not the same sentence. Yours is twisted (of course) > > > > I haven't been addressing him, > > > I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to > > > read. > > > > Exactly, you are not even in the picture. > > (guffaw) Non sequitur. Yep, it relates, as you said I started a fight with you. > > > > > Since you don't even know about what the book is. > > > > > > See above. > > > > Non sequitur > > Not. Lack of reading comprehension on your part. > > > > > Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are > > > > always so guarded to not actually say something concrete, > > > > so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to > > > > 'win' your arguments. > > > > > > That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the > > > arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your > > > problems comprehending English. > > > > > I think you are a little out of sync. This post wasn't addressed > > to you at all, it was to Share, > > (Who hasn't a clue whether Robin would have an interest in > reading Aurobindo.) No need to int interrupt the sentence here. I can very well address something to Share, and something else to somebody else in the same post. Judy, it's exactly this kind of arguing, which makes you so silly. What you try to imply is not said by me in any way. You just deceive and create a smokescreen. I am obviously not the first one to state this here. It doesn't help you, it doesn't help anyone, you just post out early, that's all. > > and mentioned Robin. You weren't > > in the picture at all. So how exactly would I have started an > > argument with you? > > I told you Robin wouldn't be interested, and you started > arguing with me--obviously. So you are now his spokeswoman? He can't talk and decide for himself anymore? You know what? I even believe you. But out of very different reasons than yourself - out of reasons that I have stated much earlier.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > (snip) > > > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. > > > > > > > > > > I thought so. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going by your description > > > > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, > > > > > > rules out any possible interest on Robin's part. > > > > > > > > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute, > > > > > > > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something > > > > is not anything he considers constructive. > > > > > > So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read > > > the book? > > > > I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again, > > see if you can find it. > > You are not saying anything constructive. If you want, why > don't you just try again? First you show me you were able to find where I told you how I knew you were wrong. > > > Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by > > > Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let > > > Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not? > > > > What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding > > whether he wants to read it? > > Didn't say this, did I? You sure did. "Why not let Robin decide?" > > I haven't been addressing him, > > I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to > > read. > > Exactly, you are not even in the picture. (guffaw) Non sequitur. > > > Since you don't even know about what the book is. > > > > See above. > > Non sequitur Not. Lack of reading comprehension on your part. > > > Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are > > > always so guarded to not actually say something concrete, > > > so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to > > > 'win' your arguments. > > > > That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the > > arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your > > problems comprehending English. > > > I think you are a little out of sync. This post wasn't addressed > to you at all, it was to Share, (Who hasn't a clue whether Robin would have an interest in reading Aurobindo.) and mentioned Robin. You weren't > in the picture at all. So how exactly would I have started an > argument with you? I told you Robin wouldn't be interested, and you started arguing with me--obviously.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > (snip) > > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. > > > > > > > > I thought so. > > > > > > > > > I'm going by your description > > > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules > > > > > out any possible interest on Robin's part. > > > > > > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute, > > > > > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something > > > is not anything he considers constructive. > > > > So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read > > the book? > > I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again, > see if you can find it. You are not saying anything constructive. If you want, why don't you just try again? > > Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by > > Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let > > Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not? > > What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding > whether he wants to read it? Didn't say this, did I? > I haven't been addressing him, > I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to > read. Exactly, you are not even in the picture. > > Since you don't even know about what the book is. > > See above. Non sequitur > > > Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are > > always so guarded to not actually say something concrete, > > so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to > > 'win' your arguments. > > That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the > arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your > problems comprehending English. > I think you are a little out of sync. This post wasn't addressed to you at all, it was to Share, and mentioned Robin. You weren't in the picture at all. So how exactly would I have started an argument with you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: (snip) > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. > > > > > > I thought so. > > > > > > > I'm going by your description > > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules > > > > out any possible interest on Robin's part. > > > > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute, > > > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something > > is not anything he considers constructive. > > So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read > the book? I already told you how. Go back and read what I wrote again, see if you can find it. > Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by > Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let > Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not? What makes you think I can somehow keep him from deciding whether he wants to read it? I haven't been addressing him, I've been addressing you. Robin reads what he wants to read. > Since you don't even know about what the book is. See above. > Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are > always so guarded to not actually say something concrete, > so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to > 'win' your arguments. That's a bullshit excuse for your inability to "win" the arguments you start with me. Don't blame me for your problems comprehending English.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the > > > > > > > > moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine > > > > > > > > for example, because a lot of what he says relates to > > > > > > > > that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the > > > > > > > > Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, > > > > > > > > but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian > > > > > > > > one. So he might be interested in his solution of the > > > > > > > > problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it > > > > > > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's > > > > > > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be > > > > > > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.) > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not surprised you don't understand. > > > > > > > > > > You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's > > > > > you who doesn't understand. > > > > > > > > So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have > > > > anything constructive to say apart from childish retorts? > > > > > > You mean, childish retorts like "I'm not surprised you don't > > > understand"? > > > > That was the one you asked for. > > Or a childish retort like "That was the one you asked for"? > > > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. > > > > I thought so. > > > > > I'm going by your description > > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules > > > out any possible interest on Robin's part. > > > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute, > > Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something > is not anything he considers constructive. So how exactly would you know he is wrong, not having read the book? Navashok thinks that this book, or one of the other books by Aurobindo, could be useful/interesting to Robin. Why not let Robin decide, if he follows this suggestion or not? Since you don't even know about what the book is. Almost none of your posts is constructive. Because you are always so guarded to not actually say something concrete, so you always have a back-door and can twist it later, to 'win' your arguments. > > > but since it's all about Robin I am the expert anyway. > > I sure know more about Robin than navashok. > > > And since I have now detected who Navashok is > > Knew from your second post this time around. > > > I can go about my usual game with him. > > Navashok's usual game with Judy has never been very > successful. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the > > > > > > > moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine > > > > > > > for example, because a lot of what he says relates to > > > > > > > that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the > > > > > > > Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, > > > > > > > but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian > > > > > > > one. So he might be interested in his solution of the > > > > > > > problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it > > > > > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's > > > > > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be > > > > > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.) > > > > > > > > > > I'm not surprised you don't understand. > > > > > > > > You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's > > > > you who doesn't understand. > > > > > > So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have > > > anything constructive to say apart from childish retorts? > > > > You mean, childish retorts like "I'm not surprised you don't > > understand"? > > That was the one you asked for. Or a childish retort like "That was the one you asked for"? > > No, I haven't read Life Divine. > > I thought so. > > > I'm going by your description > > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules > > out any possible interest on Robin's part. > > Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute, Translation: Letting navashok know he's wrong about something is not anything he considers constructive. > but since it's all about Robin I am the expert anyway. I sure know more about Robin than navashok. > And since I have now detected who Navashok is Knew from your second post this time around. > I can go about my usual game with him. Navashok's usual game with Judy has never been very successful.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the > > > > > > moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine > > > > > > for example, because a lot of what he says relates to > > > > > > that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the > > > > > > Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, > > > > > > but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian > > > > > > one. So he might be interested in his solution of the > > > > > > problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > > > > > > > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it > > > > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's > > > > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be > > > > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.) > > > > > > > > I'm not surprised you don't understand. > > > > > > You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's > > > you who doesn't understand. > > > > So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have > > anything constructive to say apart from childish retorts? > > You mean, childish retorts like "I'm not surprised you don't > understand"? That was the one you asked for. > No, I haven't read Life Divine. I thought so. > I'm going by your description > of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules > out any possible interest on Robin's part. Translation: I have nothing constructive to contribute, but since it's all about Robin I am the expert anyway. And since I have now detected who Navashok is, I can go about my usual game with him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the > > > > > moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine > > > > > for example, because a lot of what he says relates to > > > > > that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the > > > > > Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, > > > > > but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian > > > > > one. So he might be interested in his solution of the > > > > > problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > > > > > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it > > > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's > > > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be > > > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.) > > > > > > I'm not surprised you don't understand. > > > > You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's > > you who doesn't understand. > > So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have > anything constructive to say apart from childish retorts? You mean, childish retorts like "I'm not surprised you don't understand"? No, I haven't read Life Divine. I'm going by your description of it, which, for anyone who understands Robin's POV, rules out any possible interest on Robin's part.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > (snip) > > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - > > > > I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, > > > > because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main > > > > objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses > > > > exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective, > > > > not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his > > > > solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > > > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it > > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's > > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be > > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.) > > > > I'm not surprised you don't understand. > > You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's > you who doesn't understand. So, did you read Aurobindo's Life Divine? Or do you have anything constructive to say apart from childish retorts?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > (snip) > > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - > > > I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, > > > because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main > > > objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses > > > exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective, > > > not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his > > > solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it > > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's > > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be > > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.) > > I'm not surprised you don't understand. You're having reading comprehension problems again. It's you who doesn't understand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > (snip) > > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - > > I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, > > because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main > > objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses > > exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective, > > not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his > > solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it > demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's > POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be > pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.) I'm not surprised you don't understand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
> I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny > Jag, > The Rama guy used to own and drive fast cars. You probably paid for the Mercedes with your Rama seminar fees. LoL! According to motor vehicle records in New York state Lenz collection of imported cars consists of: Vehicle Color Licence Registered Address 1991 Bentley - Black6BC453 Old Field 1992 Porsche - BlackG8H473 World Trade Center 1992 Mercedes - Black377367 World Trade Center 1991 Mercedes - 2NW122 World Trade Center 1991 Rolls Royce - Black8VK333 Old Field Additional vehicles, not currently registered were: 1989 PorscheBlack DMW763World Trade Center 1990 Porsche 3J8837World Trade Center 1991 Rolls Royce 5UC837Old Field 1989 Mercedes 6XF616Old Field The Bentley, worth $100,000 was a "gift" from his grateful students in 1990. "That was real nice of them", Lenz said in the telephone interview with Bill Faulk of Newsday. Frederick Lenz, aka Zen Master Rama: http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/rama-appendix-1.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: (snip) > And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - > I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, > because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main > objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses > exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective, > not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his > solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal. I hope that's meant as a joke. Because if it's serious, it demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of Robin's POV regarding the Impersonal. (That ignorance would be pretty amusing on its own terms, albeit unintentionally.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
I guess I haven't read as much of your writing as others here have. AND I didn't see much of YOUR writing style in the extra long post (-: As for my traveling to India, anything is possible and I do think I would love it, the richness of it, the sweetness of the people, the unfamiliar beauty of the culture. For me this is where the best spirituality abides. Maybe I got a little taste of that when I went to Amma's programs. You've planted a good idea in my heart and mind, thank you. From: navashok To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Welcome back K T (-: Thanks Share. > And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in. > How did you all figure it out so quickly? Not difficult really. Apart from the writing style, I frequently mention India - from where I'm posting right now - mentioned the Matri Mandir before, and probably a few other clues. But Share, I really think you should come here one day, you know, Arunachala, Tiruvannamalai, Pondicherry and Auroville (Matri Mandir). You will enjoy the spiritual atmosphere here - not that you don't have any of that in Fairfield as well, but I think it's good to see something different, experience a different spiritual subculture, and I'm sure you would love India. And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > From: navashok > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new > > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last > > time he was here. > > Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Welcome back K T (-: Thanks Share. > And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in. > How did you all figure it out so quickly? Not difficult really. Apart from the writing style, I frequently mention India - from where I'm posting right now - mentioned the Matri Mandir before, and probably a few other clues. But Share, I really think you should come here one day, you know, Arunachala, Tiruvannamalai, Pondicherry and Auroville (Matri Mandir). You will enjoy the spiritual atmosphere here - not that you don't have any of that in Fairfield as well, but I think it's good to see something different, experience a different spiritual subculture, and I'm sure you would love India. And to mention Robin - I don't see him writing at the moment - I think he should read Aurobindo, Life Divine for example, because a lot of what he says relates to that, what his main objection to Advaita was, the Impersonal. Aurobindo addresses exactly these points, but from a typical Indian perspective, not a Christian one. So he might be interested in his solution of the problem Personal vs Impersonal. > > From: navashok > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new > > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last > > time he was here. > > Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
Thanks!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Ah, Doc, I love this abiding simplicity in all and every direction. Which > can also be very surprising (-: > What I'd add in reply to Xeno is that the only thing I got is that It's been > here the whole time. > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:50 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > >  > Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much > OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever > comes up. > > Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every > direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, > again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually > enjoyable. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED... > > > > > And what did it get you? Curious. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much > OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever > comes up. > > Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every > direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, > again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually > enjoyable. Sounds like a lot of fun :-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED... > > > > > And what did it get you? Curious. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Welcome back K T (-: > > And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in. > How did you all figure it out so quickly? Question is, why didn't you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Oh man I wish it had been ME driving that thing!!! It really was quite an experience, driving a beast I would never be able to afford. > Have you ever driven one of those Smart cars? I saw a > guy the other night at a Bojangles of all places with > one - it sure looked nice for a little sawed off > thing - he was bragging on it right smart when I > asked him about it. I have never driven one, but I got a ride to the Nice airport in one, and was surprised at how roomy it was inside, and how much pickup it had while passing. Why they're so practical in Paris is that one of the highest costs of owning a car is paying for parking. Two Smart cars can fit in a single parking space, so you pay half the yearly fee. > > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:13 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle > > the Mercury hunk of tin I drive > > Understood, and appreciated. :-) I've just been fortunate > enough to have been considered enough of a "car reviewer" > earlier in life that people later in that life allow me > to drive their supercars from time to time, just to get > my impressions of them. The results of these experiments > are never short of FUN, and almost always interesting > excursions into the limits of what human engineering > can facilitate. Driving a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta ranks > right up there with any of the enlightenment experiences > I've ever had. :-) > > > ____ > > From: turquoiseb > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > > > > ÃÂ > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > > > the car doesn't out-think me. > > > > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful > > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) > > > > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with > > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny > > Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does > > that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior, > > enlightened abilities? :-) > > > > Now we'll just sit back and see whether the > > supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist > > having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-) > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
Welcome back K T (-: And thanks Judy and Mr. Soss for cluing me in. How did you all figure it out so quickly? From: navashok To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last > time he was here. Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
Ah, Doc, I love this abiding simplicity in all and every direction. Which can also be very surprising (-: What I'd add in reply to Xeno is that the only thing I got is that It's been here the whole time. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever comes up. Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually enjoyable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED... > > > And what did it get you? Curious. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
Still finding out - not really apparent in any one category, just pretty much OK with everything, including me, and you, and the past, and future. Whatever comes up. Abiding simplicity is as good a description as any. In all and every direction, I find myself. And the further I go in any direction, there I am, again. Very simple and very peaceful and very surprising and usually enjoyable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED... > > > And what did it get you? Curious. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED... > > > And what did it get you? Curious. "Enlightenment" is just another word for living, breathing, looking, listening, feeling, tasting, hearing, crying, laughing, discovering. It is what all of us do every day (if we are lucky). Living is what counts. Extra 'handles' added to that are just superfluous. Possessing a human body, a brain, five senses and a modicum of morality is about as blessed as any human being could possibly be. Enhancement of the above is a result of blessings, applications of grace and the product of a certain degree of intention and effort but slipping down some slippery slope toward some imaginary state called "enlightenment" is not on my agenda. I am not going to hold my breath seeing if it exists. I've got the next world to enlarge on what I do and can know in this one. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > ...And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED... > And what did it get you? Curious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
I remembered there are five pictures of the car, posted in the FFL Photos, under a folder called, "Jaguar XK8" - placed by me October 13, 2011, under another alias, *whynotnow7* - (was that OK, Bee?). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > 1997-65k miles, gold with white interior, and it is the coupe. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > I had lunch in Santa Cruz, by the harbor, last week. Tempura shrimp, and > > > a margarita (OK, it was two...) on the rocks - Herradura silver. Good > > > time, and great view. Not much wind, haze on the far horizon. It looked > > > really calm on the ocean, until you looked at the point north, and saw > > > ten foot waves breaking. > > > > > > I liked the youtube of the Jag Demo Derby, though always I have a soft > > > spot for the cat cars, so to see them getting tweaked wasn't always > > > pleasant. On the other hand, they are serious pieces of iron (~1900 kg.), > > > and it was pretty amazing to watch the dwindling survivors racing around > > > the track. Pretty much when you got hit directly, that was it. > > > > Not sure which year your model is but it looks like lot of fun :-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6cwEBTJTRQ > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
Aww c'mon, authfriend, one of us HAS to become the zombie slave of the other. For Turqy's sake, pretty please?? Otherwise, his world begins to crumble, and THAT is BAD NEWS, emanating from his keyboard as effortlessly as bad breath. So, whadd'ya say? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly > > > diminishing mental abilities, though. > > > > > > DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he > > > ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with > > > regard to driving a car. > > > > "DrD?" Are you afraid to refer to him as Jim, > > having previously placed your reputation as > > an editor on the line as denying that he was > > pretending to be some of the other characters > > he has pretended to be? :-) > > Uh, no. Just observing standard netiquette. He > doesn't intimidate me as he does you. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly > > diminishing mental abilities, though. > > > > DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he > > ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with > > regard to driving a car. > > "DrD?" Are you afraid to refer to him as Jim, > having previously placed your reputation as > an editor on the line as denying that he was > pretending to be some of the other characters > he has pretended to be? :-) Uh, no. Just observing standard netiquette. He doesn't intimidate me as he does you.
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Something to that, especially around here, with micro-climates, mountains, bay and coast, all within a few miles. I hit black ice twice, on curves, and tore up the car I was driving, both times. Can't see it in the dark, and the steering goes inop - very scary. Also driving in San Francisco, which has slightly more hills than Holland, I was driving on Judah, parallel to Golden Gate Park, and someone ran a stop sign on my right, and they were suddenly halfway in front of me, and I was about to crash into them. I jerked the car left instinctively, and they must have seen me by then, and braked. Made it through unscathed, though driving in the City can be crazy time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > > > the car doesn't out-think me. > > > > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful > > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) > > > > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with > > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny > > Jag, and they never out-thought me. > > > And you probably never owned anything faster than a Peugeot either :-) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8UIC95JhKE >
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1997-65k miles, gold with white interior, and it is the coupe. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > I had lunch in Santa Cruz, by the harbor, last week. Tempura shrimp, and a > > margarita (OK, it was two...) on the rocks - Herradura silver. Good time, > > and great view. Not much wind, haze on the far horizon. It looked really > > calm on the ocean, until you looked at the point north, and saw ten foot > > waves breaking. > > > > I liked the youtube of the Jag Demo Derby, though always I have a soft spot > > for the cat cars, so to see them getting tweaked wasn't always pleasant. On > > the other hand, they are serious pieces of iron (~1900 kg.), and it was > > pretty amazing to watch the dwindling survivors racing around the track. > > Pretty much when you got hit directly, that was it. > > Not sure which year your model is but it looks like lot of fun :-) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6cwEBTJTRQ >
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What character are you pretending to be? I'd freshen the script, if I were you. Verrry stale performance from you these days. And you know what, Barry? I AM ENLIGHTENED. Just thought I'd egg you on a bit - I do have my naughty side.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly > > diminishing mental abilities, though. > > > > DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he > > ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with > > regard to driving a car. > > "DrD?" Are you afraid to refer to him as Jim, > having previously placed your reputation as > an editor on the line as denying that he was > pretending to be some of the other characters > he has pretended to be? :-) >
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FFL is testosterone central today what with the cars and the Python discussions. I'm enjoying. Also because eye doc told me eyes are doing good, pre glaucoma and retinal thinning are holding. And I didn't even use the drops he gave me last time! Yahoo! From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle > the Mercury hunk of tin I drive Understood, and appreciated. :-) I've just been fortunate enough to have been considered enough of a "car reviewer" earlier in life that people later in that life allow me to drive their supercars from time to time, just to get my impressions of them. The results of these experiments are never short of FUN, and almost always interesting excursions into the limits of what human engineering can facilitate. Driving a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta ranks right up there with any of the enlightenment experiences I've ever had. :-) > > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > > the car doesn't out-think me. > > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) > > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny > Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does > that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior, > enlightened abilities? :-) > > Now we'll just sit back and see whether the > supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist > having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-) >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > > > the car doesn't out-think me. > > > > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful > > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) > > > > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with > > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny > > Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does > > that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior, > > enlightened abilities? :-) Funny thing is, my husband has owned umpteen Porsches including this twin turbo thing and although that sucker could really move and was this beast of a car, no matter how much horsepower any car possesses, getting on a single horse(power) with a mind of its own coupled with being too fresh or really scared beats all those cars for adrenaline rush, hands down. Try is sometime, Turkey, it'll knock your socks right off. > > Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly > diminishing mental abilities, though. > > DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he > ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with > regard to driving a car. > > So once again your angst to put someone down who has > pushed your buttons has just made you look like a > really stupid, out-of-it guy whose buttons have been > seriously pushed. ;-) > > > > > > > Now we'll just sit back and see whether the > > supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist > > having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-) > > >
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Oh man I wish it had been ME driving that thing!!! Have you ever driven one of those Smart cars? I saw a guy the other night at a Bojangles of all places with one - it sure looked nice for a little sawed off thing - he was bragging on it right smart when I asked him about it. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle > the Mercury hunk of tin I drive Understood, and appreciated. :-) I've just been fortunate enough to have been considered enough of a "car reviewer" earlier in life that people later in that life allow me to drive their supercars from time to time, just to get my impressions of them. The results of these experiments are never short of FUN, and almost always interesting excursions into the limits of what human engineering can facilitate. Driving a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta ranks right up there with any of the enlightenment experiences I've ever had. :-) > > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > > the car doesn't out-think me. > > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) > > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny > Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does > that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior, > enlightened abilities? :-) > > Now we'll just sit back and see whether the > supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist > having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-) >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly > diminishing mental abilities, though. > > DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he > ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with > regard to driving a car. "DrD?" Are you afraid to refer to him as Jim, having previously placed your reputation as an editor on the line as denying that he was pretending to be some of the other characters he has pretended to be? :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > > the car doesn't out-think me. > > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) > > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny > Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does > that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior, > enlightened abilities? :-) Nothing. It does say quite a bit about your own rapidly diminishing mental abilities, though. DrD never said his Jag had out-thought him. Nor did he ever say he has superior enlightened abilities with regard to driving a car. So once again your angst to put someone down who has pushed your buttons has just made you look like a really stupid, out-of-it guy whose buttons have been seriously pushed. ;-) > > Now we'll just sit back and see whether the > supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist > having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-) >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle > the Mercury hunk of tin I drive Understood, and appreciated. :-) I've just been fortunate enough to have been considered enough of a "car reviewer" earlier in life that people later in that life allow me to drive their supercars from time to time, just to get my impressions of them. The results of these experiments are never short of FUN, and almost always interesting excursions into the limits of what human engineering can facilitate. Driving a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta ranks right up there with any of the enlightenment experiences I've ever had. :-) > > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > > the car doesn't out-think me. > > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) > > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny > Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does > that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior, > enlightened abilities? :-) > > Now we'll just sit back and see whether the > supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist > having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-) >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > > the car doesn't out-think me. > > NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful > testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) > > I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with > triple the horsepower and torque of your puny > Jag, and they never out-thought me. And you probably never owned anything faster than a Peugeot either :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8UIC95JhKE
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you boys are way out'n my league - I can barely handle the Mercury hunk of tin I drive From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > the car doesn't out-think me. NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with triple the horsepower and torque of your puny Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior, enlightened abilities? :-) Now we'll just sit back and see whether the supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > I had lunch in Santa Cruz, by the harbor, last week. Tempura shrimp, and a > margarita (OK, it was two...) on the rocks - Herradura silver. Good time, and > great view. Not much wind, haze on the far horizon. It looked really calm on > the ocean, until you looked at the point north, and saw ten foot waves > breaking. > > I liked the youtube of the Jag Demo Derby, though always I have a soft spot > for the cat cars, so to see them getting tweaked wasn't always pleasant. On > the other hand, they are serious pieces of iron (~1900 kg.), and it was > pretty amazing to watch the dwindling survivors racing around the track. > Pretty much when you got hit directly, that was it. Not sure which year your model is but it looks like lot of fun :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6cwEBTJTRQ
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with > an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. > It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very > spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful > the car doesn't out-think me. NOT, if you think about it, the most wonderful testament to your thinking abilities, Jimbo. :-) I mean, I've driven Ferraris and Maseratis with triple the horsepower and torque of your puny Jag, and they never out-thought me. What does that say about your supposedly oh-so-superior, enlightened abilities? :-) Now we'll just sit back and see whether the supposedly-I'm-so-enlightened guy can resist having had his ego-buttons pushed. Your move. :-)
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I had lunch in Santa Cruz, by the harbor, last week. Tempura shrimp, and a margarita (OK, it was two...) on the rocks - Herradura silver. Good time, and great view. Not much wind, haze on the far horizon. It looked really calm on the ocean, until you looked at the point north, and saw ten foot waves breaking. I liked the youtube of the Jag Demo Derby, though always I have a soft spot for the cat cars, so to see them getting tweaked wasn't always pleasant. On the other hand, they are serious pieces of iron (~1900 kg.), and it was pretty amazing to watch the dwindling survivors racing around the track. Pretty much when you got hit directly, that was it. My XK8 weighs just two thirds of what the XJ6 did, with an additional 100 horsepower, and two additional cylinders. It is also a drive by wire vehicle, like an aircraft. Very spirited, with such quick handling, I have to be careful the car doesn't out-think me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new > > > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last > > > time he was here. > > It's probably the fellow who posted endless reports about taking the bus, > chatting with people, eating, and meditating in a rooms as if these > activities were infinately more interesting because they were performed in > India :-) >
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new > > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last > > time he was here. It's probably the fellow who posted endless reports about taking the bus, chatting with people, eating, and meditating in a rooms as if these activities were infinately more interesting because they were performed in India :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new > handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last > time he was here. Well, I like to think of myself as a supporter of everyone ;-)
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BTW, Share, navashok isn't a newbie, he's just using a new handle. He's a supporter of yours. Or at least was the last time he was here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > I appreciate everything you say here. It makes me think. And also I'm > remembering: I worked on MIU staff for 1 year and that credit paid for > eight weeks of TMSP prep courses in 1977; I worked on MIU staff for 3 years > and that credit paid for an 11 month graduate program, MA in SCI; I received > a full scholarship for 3 years to earn an MS in Psychology; I currently go to > the Dome twice a day every day completely free of charge. I understand that > others have had a different experience. But I must honor my own experience > and it is that the TMO via MIU has been very generous towards me. > > Regarding the school children and the energy exchange: perhaps they are > encouraged to offer a week's allowance or something like that. If not, I'm > sure Beingness understands (-: > > > As for the people responsible for high prices now: if they are doing > something that is good on some level we cannot now see, then I'm happy for > their good karma; if they are doing something harmful, then I wish for them a > thorough and compassionate burning off of this bad karma. Perhaps I'm being > too simple. > > > I agree that it is all quite absurd and complicated. And yet to be a human > is an amazing thing even with complications and absurdities.   > > > > From: navashok > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:20 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > I've heard that in the beginning Maharishi wanted to teach TM for free. > > I have heard that too! > > > à But the Westerners told him that people would not value it if it did > > not cost money.à > > I know the logic, but it is over-extended here IMO. Now it's just all about > money. And it is simply not true that people can not value something that is > free, of course they can, lot's of rich people donate for free things. Think > about Ammachi, she does not charge anything, and yet her ashram must be one > of the richest in India. Same with Sai Baba (whatever you may think of him), > access to him was always free, and yet he gathered billions in donations. > > There are also many people who think that true spirituality shouldn't cost > anything. You may not agree, but money puts an extra layer in at any > spiritual movement, and it complicates things. IMO the essential teaching of > any movement or religious organization should be either free or low cost and > affordable. There can be always 'add ons' spiritual articles that are not > essential for which you can charge, and which people like to have, like CD's, > books, Ayurvedic products etc. I am just here at an ashram in India, where > everything is either free or very low-cost, even books. I rent a room for 3$, > I eat in the dining hall for not even a dollar a day. Yes it is India, but it > is still very reduced even subsidized by the Ashram. > > > When I began in 1975, the cost was one week's salary.à Also, I know some > > New Age teachers who say that there must be an exchange of energy in order > > for what they impart to be effective.à > > Yes, I know, but that 'exchange' should be based on free will, on ones own > insight and appreciation, it shouldn't be forced onto people. Also the > economic situation of people may vary over time. Take as an example advanced > technique, they are highly recommended by the movement, and yet, for a very > small addition, you have to spend the same amount as for basic TM, which is > already overcharged. In this case you get clearly people, who surely > appreciate the technique, they have been practicing, but they can't go on to > a longer mantra, as they may just not have the money at hand. Here certainly > the logic doesn't hold true anymore. > > Also, people don't just value something, because it is overpriced. It always > depends on the competition, if you can get the same thing for free or for > much cheaper. Take the case of the iphone. In the beginning it had a > monopoly, it was the latest thing in town and a must have. Now the > competition is getting stronger, with Android phones being cheaper and also > getting better, the market share of the iphone is reduced, they either have > to introduce some new innovation or reduce the price to be more competitive. > > I know nobody outside of the TM movement who understands the price policy of > TM. Everybody I meet in the spiritual scene thinks that TM is just about > money making, and therefore don't take it serious. > > And what do you think, when school kids get sponsored by other people to > learn TM? How does this relate to the 'exchange energy', as T
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja to newbie navashok
I appreciate everything you say here. It makes me think. And also I'm remembering: I worked on MIU staff for 1 year and that credit paid for eight weeks of TMSP prep courses in 1977; I worked on MIU staff for 3 years and that credit paid for an 11 month graduate program, MA in SCI; I received a full scholarship for 3 years to earn an MS in Psychology; I currently go to the Dome twice a day every day completely free of charge. I understand that others have had a different experience. But I must honor my own experience and it is that the TMO via MIU has been very generous towards me. Regarding the school children and the energy exchange: perhaps they are encouraged to offer a week's allowance or something like that. If not, I'm sure Beingness understands (-: As for the people responsible for high prices now: if they are doing something that is good on some level we cannot now see, then I'm happy for their good karma; if they are doing something harmful, then I wish for them a thorough and compassionate burning off of this bad karma. Perhaps I'm being too simple. I agree that it is all quite absurd and complicated. And yet to be a human is an amazing thing even with complications and absurdities. From: navashok To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > I've heard that in the beginning Maharishi wanted to teach TM for free. I have heard that too! >  But the Westerners told him that people would not value it if it did not > cost money. I know the logic, but it is over-extended here IMO. Now it's just all about money. And it is simply not true that people can not value something that is free, of course they can, lot's of rich people donate for free things. Think about Ammachi, she does not charge anything, and yet her ashram must be one of the richest in India. Same with Sai Baba (whatever you may think of him), access to him was always free, and yet he gathered billions in donations. There are also many people who think that true spirituality shouldn't cost anything. You may not agree, but money puts an extra layer in at any spiritual movement, and it complicates things. IMO the essential teaching of any movement or religious organization should be either free or low cost and affordable. There can be always 'add ons' spiritual articles that are not essential for which you can charge, and which people like to have, like CD's, books, Ayurvedic products etc. I am just here at an ashram in India, where everything is either free or very low-cost, even books. I rent a room for 3$, I eat in the dining hall for not even a dollar a day. Yes it is India, but it is still very reduced even subsidized by the Ashram. > When I began in 1975, the cost was one week's salary. Also, I know some New > Age teachers who say that there must be an exchange of energy in order for > what they impart to be effective. Yes, I know, but that 'exchange' should be based on free will, on ones own insight and appreciation, it shouldn't be forced onto people. Also the economic situation of people may vary over time. Take as an example advanced technique, they are highly recommended by the movement, and yet, for a very small addition, you have to spend the same amount as for basic TM, which is already overcharged. In this case you get clearly people, who surely appreciate the technique, they have been practicing, but they can't go on to a longer mantra, as they may just not have the money at hand. Here certainly the logic doesn't hold true anymore. Also, people don't just value something, because it is overpriced. It always depends on the competition, if you can get the same thing for free or for much cheaper. Take the case of the iphone. In the beginning it had a monopoly, it was the latest thing in town and a must have. Now the competition is getting stronger, with Android phones being cheaper and also getting better, the market share of the iphone is reduced, they either have to introduce some new innovation or reduce the price to be more competitive. I know nobody outside of the TM movement who understands the price policy of TM. Everybody I meet in the spiritual scene thinks that TM is just about money making, and therefore don't take it serious. And what do you think, when school kids get sponsored by other people to learn TM? How does this relate to the 'exchange energy', as THEY aren't giving back, it's some rich TM donor. Well, if you think about it, it's all quite absurd. > > From: navashok > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:09 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of puja > > >  > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > There are others like former TM
