[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
Here do I swear fealty and service to the Knowledge in peace or war, in living or dying, from this hour henceforth until my lord release me or death take me. And we shall not forget it! Fealty with love. Valour with honour. Disloyalty with vengeance. We do not think we should so lightly abandon the outer defenses. Jai Guru Dev, -Governor and TM teacher re-certification This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? How did it happened? Poor social skills or ruthless ones and both. That effect is seen and the process is not transparent. The same people are ultimately in charge even now. Probably Not much is going to change until they might pass on. It is a very small group now trying to hold steady. A revival is always possible but the hard-liners have vowed no change. After the death of the master, no change is a fealty test for belonging now. There was just a group graduating here from a re=certified teachers course. 'bout 50 old people came back in recent weeks to be re-certified. It's a race against time. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yep, it's stunning. Thanks though Obba, that is a great observation and a good way of saying it. This catches well our TM thing this time around and is probably not uncommon in cycles of revival. Starting simple and the addendum carry it away. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? How did it happened? Poor social skills or ruthless ones and both. That effect is seen and the process is not transparent. The same people are ultimately in charge even now. Probably Not much is going to change until they might pass on. It is a very small group now trying to hold steady. A revival is always possible but the hard-liners have vowed no change. After the death of the master, no change is a fealty test for belonging now. There was just a group graduating here from a re=certified teachers course. 'bout 50 old people came back in recent weeks to be re-certified. It's a race against time. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yep, it's stunning. Thanks though Obba, that is a great observation and a good way of saying it. This catches well our TM thing this time around and is probably not uncommon in cycles of revival. Starting simple and the addendum carry it away. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
Having no privy as to why, I have heard countless stories from real people having these experiences. My own pillow has not ever been banned, yet I feel there is something to say about it, because there is a massively growing advertising campaign to champion those who wish to find peace and the fact of this program being introduced to jails and schools and celebrity (celebrities gone wild and come to their senses, lol) I can't imagine what one would think if they knew before the learning, that one day, they too may be on a list, blacklisted from peace? : ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKdki7_EQX0 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? How did it happened? Poor social skills or ruthless ones and both. That effect is seen and the process is not transparent. The same people are ultimately in charge even now. Probably Not much is going to change until they might pass on. It is a very small group now trying to hold steady. A revival is always possible but the hard-liners have vowed no change. After the death of the master, no change is a fealty test for belonging now. There was just a group graduating here from a re=certified teachers course. 'bout 50 old people came back in recent weeks to be re-certified. It's a race against time. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yep, it's stunning. Thanks though Obba, that is a great observation and a good way of saying it. This catches well our TM thing this time around and is probably not uncommon in cycles of revival. Starting simple and the addendum carry it away. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
Yep, it's stunning. Thanks though Obba, that is a great observation and a good way of saying it. This catches well our TM thing this time around and is probably not uncommon in cycles of revival. Starting simple and the addendum carry it away. -Buck in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Sixth.Do Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Seventh.Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Eighth.Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
On the tenth day, she said, She was only joking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: ouch! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: On the ninth day, he kicked you in the ass! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: And on the eighth day he created paragraphs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Sixth.Do Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Seventh.Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Eighth.Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Sixth.Do Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Seventh.Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Eighth.Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Sixth.Do Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Seventh.Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Eighth.Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
This list sounds so very much like something from the evangelical Christian tradition - religion is religion is religion. --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 5:29 AM Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.—Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.—Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.—Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.—Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.—Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Sixth.—Do Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Seventh.—Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Eighth.—Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: This list sounds so very much like something from the evangelical Christian tradition - religion is religion is religion. Bingo, Denise. Emphasis on the keyword evangelical. It's just not *enough* to believe this stuff; you have to try to make others believe it as well. --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@... Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. Â First.âAre all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Second.âAre meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Third.âDo meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Fourth.âAre Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Fifth.âAre the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sixth.âDo Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Seventh.âAre Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Eighth.âIs care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: This list sounds so very much like something from the evangelical Christian tradition - religion is religion is religion. Bingo, Denise. Emphasis on the keyword evangelical. It's just not *enough* to believe this stuff; you have to try to make others believe it as well. But why the fuck does it bother you so much? There have always been evalengicals and they will continue to exist - that is their dharma.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: This list sounds so very much like something from the evangelical Christian tradition - religion is religion is religion. Bingo, Denise. Emphasis on the keyword evangelical. It's just not *enough* to believe this stuff; you have to try to make others believe it as well. No, no, no. You guys are just jumping to conclusions. These first were guidelines to just facilitate a spiritual practice. Then the other stuff like your evangelicalism comes later along with policy guidelines becoming doctrine of the institution. Starts first with simply practicing meditation than goes on to believing things like vedic astrology, vedic architecture, vedic medicine, and then the supporting work for the enterprises that are set up to promulgate the subsistence of these areas other than the initial practice. It all becomes about other things, and of course some evangelicalism to keep it all going even as the earlier larger practice group is drying up and going away to where the life-force is better. It's a process of the loss of shakti in the life-cycle of spiritual groups. It happens time and again. -Buck in FF --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@ Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. Â First.âAre all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Second.âAre meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Third.âDo meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Fourth.âAre Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Fifth.âAre the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sixth.âDo Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Seventh.âAre Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Eighth.âIs care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: This list sounds so very much like something from the evangelical Christian tradition - religion is religion is religion. Just FYI, the list isn't from TM, it's from questions read before Quaker meetings, instituted around 1850. Buck has replaced various terms to make the list sound as though it's TM-generated (e.g., Friends has been changed to Meditators). --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 5:29 AM Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. Â First.âAre all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Second.âAre meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Third.âDo meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Fourth.âAre Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Fifth.âAre the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sixth.âDo Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Seventh.âAre Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Eighth.âIs care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
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Did I say it bothered me? We have the freedom of choice, still. I was just pointing out a similarity that I noted. I don't know that I would characterize evangelism as dharma...perhaps it is a-dharma. --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 9:34 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: This list sounds so very much like something from the evangelical Christian tradition - religion is religion is religion. Bingo, Denise. Emphasis on the keyword evangelical. It's just not *enough* to believe this stuff; you have to try to make others believe it as well. But why the fuck does it bother you so much? There have always been evalengicals and they will continue to exist - that is their dharma.
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Well that puts it in context and resonates much better - seemed like it had been lifted from somewhere. What is the point of lifting and posting it though - why not just source it? --- On Mon, 8/22/11, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: From: authfriend jst...@panix.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 9:58 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: This list sounds so very much like something from the evangelical Christian tradition - religion is religion is religion. Just FYI, the list isn't from TM, it's from questions read before Quaker meetings, instituted around 1850. Buck has replaced various terms to make the list sound as though it's TM-generated (e.g., Friends has been changed to Meditators). --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: From: Buck dhamiltony2k5@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 5:29 AM Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia.  First.â€Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed?              Second.â€Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them?              Third.â€Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently?              Fourth.â€Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions?              Fifth.â€Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children?               Sixth.â€Do Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries.              Seventh.â€Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them?              Eighth.â€Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
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Thanks Denise, I was actually addressing my bitch oops, my Bhakta Barry there. Adharma's only when say a Kshatriya(warrior) starts behaving like a Brahmin(intellectual). However uncomfortable it feels, that is the dharma of a spiritual warrior. So there is a logic when Christians and Muslims talk about converting or killing the infidels. Of course I would prefer that the warrior fights internal battles and slays inner demons. May be that's what was meant - we don't know. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Did I say it bothered me? Â We have the freedom of choice, still. Â I was just pointing out a similarity that I noted. Â I don't know that I would characterize evangelism as dharma...perhaps it is a-dharma. --- On Mon, 8/22/11, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 9:34 AM Â --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: This list sounds so very much like something from the evangelical Christian tradition - religion is religion is religion. Bingo, Denise. Emphasis on the keyword evangelical. It's just not *enough* to believe this stuff; you have to try to make others believe it as well. Â But why the fuck does it bother you so much? There have always been evalengicals and they will continue to exist - that is their dharma.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Well that puts it in context and resonates much better - seemed like it had been lifted from somewhere. Â What is the point of lifting and posting it though - why not just source it? So he could substitute Meditator for Friend and make it seem as though it was TM-generated! That's not really fair; I don't think he had the intention to deceive. But Buck's motives are often cryptic, to say the least. --- On Mon, 8/22/11, authfriend jstein@... wrote: From: authfriend jstein@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Discipline, in community To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 9:58 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: This list sounds so very much like something from the evangelical Christian tradition - religion is religion is religion. Just FYI, the list isn't from TM, it's from questions read before Quaker meetings, instituted around 1850. Buck has replaced various terms to make the list sound as though it's TM-generated (e.g., Friends has been changed to Meditators).
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And on the eighth day he created paragraphs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Sixth.Do Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Seventh.Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Eighth.Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: But why the fuck does it bother you so much? There have always been evalengicals and they will continue to exist - that is their dharma. Rav, my take is that the country was built on a foundation of the seperation of church and state. But they have their own interpretation of this which in my opinion differs quite a lot from what was originally envisioned by the framers. So, if you don't mind the encroachment of religious beliefs into the government and schools, then I guess it would not bother you. But it would and does bother me, because I see what religious extremism leads to.
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On the ninth day, he kicked you in the ass! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: And on the eighth day he created paragraphs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Sixth.Do Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Seventh.Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Eighth.Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
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ouch! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: On the ninth day, he kicked you in the ass! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: And on the eighth day he created paragraphs --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: I would like to know when one has a desire to find peace and one may be lead to a particular meditation and finds peace, then somehow dogmatic thinking is introduced by some experts, of a particular meditation to the user, causing a whirlwind in the mind of the peace seeker of, WTF is that? Now how can the innocence of what was first presented stand the trial of time, if bozos hijack the purpose (the presented meditation) first originally presented as simple meditation and use a phrase, This is the way the Guru wanted it to go and the way it always has been passed down.. All the while, experts, adding addendums of higher knowledge, to the thought process of the user/meditator/peace seeker, then somehow the expert, decides changing that user/meditator/peace seeker's title of awareness as he/she should know and behave different as I tell them (from the stand point of the expert).. Does this not change the direction of original intent of the teaching? ...but yet claiming the purpose to this structure is for keeping the integrity of what is taught to be exact? Of course some may refer to a statement/question like this, as, unstressing, and to ignore such a thought. How can science be studied without the inquiry of the mind? Spiritual suggestion is the only extent any discipline, should be given/taken from another. Discipline comes from the self. This is where I do not understand why so many are not allowed, in the domes after having all the training to practice group program. It becomes a privilege, and again, then changes the original intent of bringing all people to peace through a taught meditation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Compare and contrast spiritual groups through time and, of course,one wonders how it is going for TM and the TM movement. It seems there is a formula that spiritual groups become organized and then communal as people coming together to facilitate spiritual experience first, to then also provide a social contract through time within a group. Spiritual communities blossoming after the experiential comes along, then following out of practical need,with a social contract to look after the aged, caring for the infirm, educating children. Evidently the communities that last for any length of time often have both a shared spiritual shakti of experience and provide a social security. Where communal groups diminish in facilitating the (spiritual) experience and/or fail in the social contract, one or both, the groups then wither and disappear in time. Life-cycle in utopia. First.Are all meditations attended? Do meditators avoid unbecoming behavior therein? And is the hour of meditation observed? Second.Are meditators preserved in love one toward another? Are tale-bearing and detraction discouraged? And when differences arise, are endeavors used speedily to end them? Third.Do meditators endeavor, by example and precept, to educate their children, and those under their care, in the principles of plainness of speech, deportment, and apparel? Do they guard them against reading pernicious books, and from corrupt conversation? And are they encouraged to read and chant the Scriptures diligently? Fourth.Are Meditators observing moderation and temperance on all occasions? Fifth.Are the necessities of the poor, and the circumstances of those who may appear likely to require aid, inspected and relieved? Are they advised and assisted in such employments as they are capable of; and is due care taken to promote the school-education of their children? Sixth.Do Meditators maintain a testimony against ill-gotten wages? Against Slavery; oaths; bearing arms; trading in goods taken in war; and against lotteries. Seventh.Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade? Are they just in their dealings, and punctual in complying with their contracts and engagements; and in paying their debts seasonably? And where any give reasonable grounds for fear in these respects, is due care extended to them? Eighth.Is care taken to deal with offenders seasonably and impartially, and to endeavor to evince to those who will not be reclaimed, the spirit of meekness and love, before judgment is placed upon them?
