[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
Its just a genetic thing, I think, though my meditation and always being very active helped. Yeah, my dad also pecked (and managed to avoid computers altogether).:-) My career involved technical training, primarily focused on curriculum design and development, in tech, and industrial environments. Did mostly management, and consulting too. Enjoyed the people, and the complex technologies I learned (satellite ground stations and tuning, datacomm protocols, network security, virtual machines, gas distribution safety and maintenance, and industrial lasers), but *no* plans to return. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > PS: Great about your heart rate! Mine seems to stay high, in the 70s and 80s > even at rest. I wonder if that is because of all the simulants I took > recreationally and later for medicinal purposes. I just hope my ticker has > lots of ticks left...at least until I can thruhike the Appalachian Trail. ;) > > My hubby and son peck when they type. > > If you don't mind me asking, what has been your career in writing? > > * > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > I'd enjoy hearing that if you care to share it. I flashed through the link > > to HeartMath, and there is some great stuff in there, will return for a > > larger meal later - liked the change in perspective, from the traditional > > approach, brain impulses influencing the heart, to the heart's influence, > > comprehensively affecting even our immediate environment. > > > > Also liked the charts comparing different emotional states with micro > > changes in heart voltage and regularity. I have a slow pulse - normal > > resting pulse is about 50 bpm, and has gone down slowly over the years. > > > > Hope that you recover quickly and completely from your surgery, and they > > are giving you lots of pain medication. I am always a baby when it comes to > > post operative pain (especially dental), and make sure I get strong meds. > > > > I don't have any carpal tunnel symptoms, possibly because I never learned > > to touch type - Thank God computers were invented! I've hunted and pecked > > my way through an entire career, focused on writing. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > Here's one link to HeartMath. > > > http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html > > > > > > There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work > > > in the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at > > > Borders intuitively perusing for my next book to read. > > > > > > Take heart! ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the > > > > Institute of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the > > > > heart overflows sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp > > > > intellect must organize something. The book sounds cool too. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Doc. > > > > > > > > > > What you state makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. > > > > > > > > > > I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of > > > > > HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but > > > > > how our hearts actually help us make decisions. > > > > > > > > > > Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul > > > > > Pearsall. One of those books is "The Heart's Code." Reading the > > > > > accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is > > > > > fascinating. > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it > > > > > > is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all > > > > > > that exists." > > > > > > > > > > > > *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate > > > > > > purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do > > > > > > this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with > > > > > > ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and > > > > > > the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely > > > > > > spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller > > > > > > life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to > > > > > > witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill > > > > > > life's purpose for each
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
PS: Great about your heart rate! Mine seems to stay high, in the 70s and 80s even at rest. I wonder if that is because of all the simulants I took recreationally and later for medicinal purposes. I just hope my ticker has lots of ticks left...at least until I can thruhike the Appalachian Trail. ;) My hubby and son peck when they type. If you don't mind me asking, what has been your career in writing? * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > I'd enjoy hearing that if you care to share it. I flashed through the link to > HeartMath, and there is some great stuff in there, will return for a larger > meal later - liked the change in perspective, from the traditional approach, > brain impulses influencing the heart, to the heart's influence, > comprehensively affecting even our immediate environment. > > Also liked the charts comparing different emotional states with micro changes > in heart voltage and regularity. I have a slow pulse - normal resting pulse > is about 50 bpm, and has gone down slowly over the years. > > Hope that you recover quickly and completely from your surgery, and they are > giving you lots of pain medication. I am always a baby when it comes to post > operative pain (especially dental), and make sure I get strong meds. > > I don't have any carpal tunnel symptoms, possibly because I never learned to > touch type - Thank God computers were invented! I've hunted and pecked my way > through an entire career, focused on writing. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > Here's one link to HeartMath. > > http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html > > > > There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work in > > the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at Borders > > intuitively perusing for my next book to read. > > > > Take heart! ;) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute > > > of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows > > > sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize > > > something. The book sounds cool too. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Doc. > > > > > > > > What you state makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. > > > > > > > > I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of > > > > HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how > > > > our hearts actually help us make decisions. > > > > > > > > Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul > > > > Pearsall. One of those books is "The Heart's Code." Reading the > > > > accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is > > > > fascinating. > > > > ** > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is > > > > > the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that > > > > > exists." > > > > > > > > > > *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose > > > > > of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this > > > > > efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and > > > > > our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the > > > > > discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely > > > > > spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. > > > > > > > > > > So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life > > > > > than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to > > > > > witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill > > > > > life's purpose for each of us. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring > > > > > > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point > > > > > > is there is no point? > > > > > > > > > > > > (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us > > > > > > from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking > > > > > > ourselves to be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at > > > > > > all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of > > > > > > who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oddly enough, a scripture
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
I'd enjoy hearing that if you care to share it. I flashed through the link to HeartMath, and there is some great stuff in there, will return for a larger meal later - liked the change in perspective, from the traditional approach, brain impulses influencing the heart, to the heart's influence, comprehensively affecting even our immediate environment. Also liked the charts comparing different emotional states with micro changes in heart voltage and regularity. I have a slow pulse - normal resting pulse is about 50 bpm, and has gone down slowly over the years. Hope that you recover quickly and completely from your surgery, and they are giving you lots of pain medication. I am always a baby when it comes to post operative pain (especially dental), and make sure I get strong meds. I don't have any carpal tunnel symptoms, possibly because I never learned to touch type - Thank God computers were invented! I've hunted and pecked my way through an entire career, focused on writing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Here's one link to HeartMath. > http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html > > There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work in > the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at Borders > intuitively perusing for my next book to read. > > Take heart! ;) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute of > > HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows > > sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize > > something. The book sounds cool too. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Doc. > > > > > > What you state makes sense to me. > > > > > > Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. > > > > > > I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of > > > HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how > > > our hearts actually help us make decisions. > > > > > > Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul > > > Pearsall. One of those books is "The Heart's Code." Reading the accounts > > > of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating. > > > ** > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > "Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is > > > > the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that > > > > exists." > > > > > > > > *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! > > > > > > > > To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose > > > > of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this > > > > efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and > > > > our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, > > > > both, don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting > > > > lost in fantasies. > > > > > > > > So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life > > > > than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. > > > > > > > > Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness > > > > their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose > > > > for each of us. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring > > > > > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is > > > > > there is no point? > > > > > > > > > > (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) > > > > > > > > > > So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us > > > > > from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking > > > > > ourselves to be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all > > > > > times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we > > > > > are and is continually reconciling all that exists. > > > > > > > > > > Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, "...[God] hath planted > > > > > eternity in the hearts of [humankind]..." > > > > > http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when > > > > > > all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" > > > > > > > > > > > > Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from > > > > > > eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the > > > > > > reconciliatio
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
Here's one link to HeartMath. http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work in the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at Borders intuitively perusing for my next book to read. Take heart! ;) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute of > HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows > sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize > something. The book sounds cool too. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > Thanks Doc. > > > > What you state makes sense to me. > > > > Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. > > > > I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of > > HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our > > hearts actually help us make decisions. > > > > Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul > > Pearsall. One of those books is "The Heart's Code." Reading the accounts of > > organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating. > > ** > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > "Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the > > > nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists." > > > > > > *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! > > > > > > To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of > > > bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this > > > efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our > > > surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, > > > don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in > > > fantasies. > > > > > > So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life > > > than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. > > > > > > Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness > > > their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose > > > for each of us. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring > > > > otherwise. > > > > > > > > But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is > > > > there is no point? > > > > > > > > (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) > > > > > > > > So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from > > > > eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to > > > > be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the > > > > silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is > > > > continually reconciling all that exists. > > > > > > > > Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, "...[God] hath planted > > > > eternity in the hearts of [humankind]..." > > > > http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when > > > > > all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" > > > > > > > > > > Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from > > > > > eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the > > > > > reconciliation of everything continues also. > > > > > > > > > > With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is > > > > > naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that > > > > > state, no limitations. How could there be? > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yah. (Carol smiles) > > > > > > > > > > > > What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what > > > > > > a long, strange trip it's been..." > > > > > > > > > > > > Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when > > > > > > all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > > > > > > > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within > > > > > > > our awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding > > > > > > > chest. Seriously, they form themselves such that they are > > > > > > > protected from our examination. > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize something. The book sounds cool too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Thanks Doc. > > What you state makes sense to me. > > Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. > > I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of HeartMath? > It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our hearts > actually help us make decisions. > > Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul Pearsall. > One of those books is "The Heart's Code." Reading the accounts of organ > transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating. > ** > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > "Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the > > nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists." > > > > *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! > > > > To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of > > bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, > > we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, > > so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so > > much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. > > > > So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than > > that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. > > > > Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness > > their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for > > each of us. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring > > > otherwise. > > > > > > But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is > > > there is no point? > > > > > > (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) > > > > > > So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from > > > eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be > > > able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the > > > silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is > > > continually reconciling all that exists. > > > > > > Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, "...[God] hath planted > > > eternity in the hearts of [humankind]..." > > > http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > "I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all > > > > is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" > > > > > > > > Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from > > > > eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the > > > > reconciliation of everything continues also. > > > > > > > > With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is > > > > naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that > > > > state, no limitations. How could there be? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yah. (Carol smiles) > > > > > > > > > > What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a > > > > > long, strange trip it's been..." > > > > > > > > > > Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all > > > > > is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > > > > > > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our > > > > > > awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. > > > > > > Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from > > > > > > our examination. > > > > > > > > > > > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the > > > > > > form of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, > > > > > > within our awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, > > > > > > beyond the reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the > > > > > > reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far > > > > > > less intimidating, than they first appear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Ali
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
Thanks Doc. What you state makes sense to me. Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective. I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our hearts actually help us make decisions. Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul Pearsall. One of those books is "The Heart's Code." Reading the accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > "Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the > nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists." > > *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! > > To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of > bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we > must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so > that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much > energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. > > So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than > that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. > > Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their > rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of > us. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. > > > > But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there > > is no point? > > > > (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) > > > > So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from > > eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be > > able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence > > within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually > > reconciling all that exists. > > > > Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, "...[God] hath planted > > eternity in the hearts of [humankind]..." > > http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > "I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > > > naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" > > > > > > Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, > > > the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of > > > everything continues also. > > > > > > With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is > > > naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, > > > no limitations. How could there be? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > Yah. (Carol smiles) > > > > > > > > What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a > > > > long, strange trip it's been..." > > > > > > > > Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." > > > > > > > > I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all > > > > is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > > > > > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our > > > > > awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. > > > > > Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our > > > > > examination. > > > > > > > > > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form > > > > > of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our > > > > > awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the > > > > > reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of > > > > > our anxiety and fear, in facing them. > > > > > > > > > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less > > > > > intimidating, than they first appear. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression > > > > > > of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting > > > > > > thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, > > > > > > they don't go away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory > > > > > > landscape, nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > "Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the > nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists." > > *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! > > To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of > bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we > must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so > that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much > energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. > > So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than > that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. > > Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their > rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of > us. > Nicely said, Doc. Thanks Be, -Buck > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. > > > > But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there > > is no point? > > > > (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) > > > > So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from > > eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be > > able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence > > within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually > > reconciling all that exists. > > > > Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, "...[God] hath planted > > eternity in the hearts of [humankind]..." > > http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > "I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > > > naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" > > > > > > Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, > > > the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of > > > everything continues also. > > > > > > With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is > > > naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, > > > no limitations. How could there be? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > Yah. (Carol smiles) > > > > > > > > What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a > > > > long, strange trip it's been..." > > > > > > > > Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." > > > > > > > > I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all > > > > is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > > > > > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our > > > > > awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. > > > > > Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our > > > > > examination. > > > > > > > > > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form > > > > > of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our > > > > > awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the > > > > > reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of > > > > > our anxiety and fear, in facing them. > > > > > > > > > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less > > > > > intimidating, than they first appear. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression > > > > > > of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting > > > > > > thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, > > > > > > they don't go away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory > > > > > > landscape, nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or > > > > > > castigate. The previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but > > > > > > without the sting and magnification. As a result, all the intense > > > > > > focus falls away, and we move on to other speed bumps. All the hard > > > > > > sledding eventually results in a much greater sense of presence, > > > > > > individual freedom, evenness, and confidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
"Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists." *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. > > But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is > no point? > > (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) > > So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from > eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able > to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence within > each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling > all that exists. > > Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, "...[God] hath planted > eternity in the hearts of [humankind]..." > http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > "I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > > naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" > > > > Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, > > the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of > > everything continues also. > > > > With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally > > present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no > > limitations. How could there be? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > Yah. (Carol smiles) > > > > > > What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a > > > long, strange trip it's been..." > > > > > > Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." > > > > > > I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > > > naked and when all is somehow reconciled? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > > > > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our > > > > awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. > > > > Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our > > > > examination. > > > > > > > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of > > > > small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our > > > > awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the > > > > reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our > > > > anxiety and fear, in facing them. > > > > > > > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less > > > > intimidating, than they first appear. > > > > > > > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression > > > > > of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting > > > > > thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they > > > > > don't go away. > > > > > > > > > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, > > > > > nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The > > > > > previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting > > > > > and magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and > > > > > we move on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually > > > > > results in a much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, > > > > > evenness, and confidence. > > > > > > > > > > How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Great post Doc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why > > > > > > the eff does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for > > > > > > a do
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is no point? (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists. Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, "...[God] hath planted eternity in the hearts of [humankind]..." http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > "I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" > > Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the > nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything > continues also. > > With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally > present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no > limitations. How could there be? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > Yah. (Carol smiles) > > > > What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a long, > > strange trip it's been..." > > > > Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." > > > > I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > > naked and when all is somehow reconciled? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > > > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our > > > awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. > > > Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our > > > examination. > > > > > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of > > > small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our > > > awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the > > > reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our > > > anxiety and fear, in facing them. > > > > > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less > > > intimidating, than they first appear. > > > > > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of > > > > the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing > > > > I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't > > > > go away. > > > > > > > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, > > > > nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The > > > > previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and > > > > magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we > > > > move on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results > > > > in a much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and > > > > confidence. > > > > > > > > How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Great post Doc. > > > > > > > > > > I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why the > > > > > eff does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for a > > > > > don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool > > > > > box (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along > > > > > that path. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or > > > > > express in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life > > > > > experiences from their distant or recent past (as that is all we have > > > > > until the next moment) as an indication that they have not "moved > > > > > on." I don't see expression as being stuck in something. It could > > > > > mean that; but only that person or someone who is intimately close > > > > > with that person can really know if that is the case. > > > > > > > > > > I like the word "integrate" (like you stated) more than the phrases > > > > > "getting over" or "moving on." (Though you did later in your comment > > > > > use the phrase "move on.") > > > > > > > > > > Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
"I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything continues also. With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no limitations. How could there be? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Yah. (Carol smiles) > > What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a long, > strange trip it's been..." > > Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." > > I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > naked and when all is somehow reconciled? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our > > awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. > > Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our > > examination. > > > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of > > small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our > > awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the > > reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our > > anxiety and fear, in facing them. > > > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less > > intimidating, than they first appear. > > > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of > > > the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I > > > have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go > > > away. > > > > > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, > > > nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous > > > issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and > > > magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move > > > on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results in a > > > much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and > > > confidence. > > > > > > How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. > > > :-) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > Great post Doc. > > > > > > > > I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why the > > > > eff does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for a > > > > don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' > > > > something. > > > > > > > > Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool > > > > box (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that > > > > path. > > > > > > > > I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or > > > > express in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences > > > > from their distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the > > > > next moment) as an indication that they have not "moved on." I don't > > > > see expression as being stuck in something. It could mean that; but > > > > only that person or someone who is intimately close with that person > > > > can really know if that is the case. > > > > > > > > I like the word "integrate" (like you stated) more than the phrases > > > > "getting over" or "moving on." (Though you did later in your comment > > > > use the phrase "move on.") > > > > > > > > Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when > > > > I'm there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate > > > > > something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple > > > > > with a fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, > > > > > sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of > > > > > near exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of > > > > > all we go through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, > > > > > something critical to staying ALIVE, and present. > > > > > > > > > > But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it > > > > > is not our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing rea
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
Yah. (Carol smiles) What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a long, strange trip it's been..." Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our awareness. > Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. Seriously, they form > themselves such that they are protected from our examination. > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of small > christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our awareness, so as > to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They > are enhanced in size by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing > them. > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less > intimidating, than they first appear. > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the > > past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have > > found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go away. > > > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, > > nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous > > issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and > > magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move > > on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results in a much > > greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and confidence. > > > > How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. > > :-) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > Great post Doc. > > > > > > I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why the eff > > > does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for a > > > don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' something. > > > > > > Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool box > > > (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that path. > > > > > > I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or express > > > in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences from their > > > distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the next moment) as > > > an indication that they have not "moved on." I don't see expression as > > > being stuck in something. It could mean that; but only that person or > > > someone who is intimately close with that person can really know if that > > > is the case. > > > > > > I like the word "integrate" (like you stated) more than the phrases > > > "getting over" or "moving on." (Though you did later in your comment use > > > the phrase "move on.") > > > > > > Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when I'm > > > there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate > > > > something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple > > > > with a fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do > > > > so. > > > > > > > > My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, > > > > sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of > > > > near exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of > > > > all we go through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, > > > > something critical to staying ALIVE, and present. > > > > > > > > But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it is > > > > not our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. Nothing > > > > defines us once and forever. That is a stale model, of the old culture > > > > of labels. > > > > > > > > So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most > > > > negative insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego > > > > getting trapped in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and moving > > > > on. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that > > > > > > I officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am > > > > > > gonn
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our examination. The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing them. Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less intimidating, than they first appear. Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the > past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have > found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go away. > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, nothing > left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous issue is > still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and magnification. As a > result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move on to other speed > bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results in a much greater sense of > presence, individual freedom, evenness, and confidence. > > How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. > :-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > Great post Doc. > > > > I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why the eff > > does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for a > > don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' something. > > > > Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool box > > (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that path. > > > > I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or express in > > other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences from their > > distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the next moment) as an > > indication that they have not "moved on." I don't see expression as being > > stuck in something. It could mean that; but only that person or someone who > > is intimately close with that person can really know if that is the case. > > > > I like the word "integrate" (like you stated) more than the phrases > > "getting over" or "moving on." (Though you did later in your comment use > > the phrase "move on.") > > > > Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when I'm > > there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate > > > something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple with > > > a fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do so. > > > > > > My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, > > > sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of near > > > exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of all we go > > > through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, something > > > critical to staying ALIVE, and present. > > > > > > But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it is > > > not our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. Nothing > > > defines us once and forever. That is a stale model, of the old culture of > > > labels. > > > > > > So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most negative > > > insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego getting > > > trapped in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and moving on. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I > > > > > officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am > > > > > gonna program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny > > > > > Maharishi Vedic Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day > > > > > to wear the white (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!! > > > > > > > > Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read > > > > and appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at > > > > MIU, within the various phases of your different roles within the > > > > Movement as a meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in > > > > which you participated. I especially enjoyed
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go away. Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results in a much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and confidence. How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > Great post Doc. > > I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why the eff > does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for a > don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' something. > > Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool box > (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that path. > > I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or express in > other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences from their > distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the next moment) as an > indication that they have not "moved on." I don't see expression as being > stuck in something. It could mean that; but only that person or someone who > is intimately close with that person can really know if that is the case. > > I like the word "integrate" (like you stated) more than the phrases "getting > over" or "moving on." (Though you did later in your comment use the phrase > "move on.") > > Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when I'm > there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! > > ** > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate > > something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple with a > > fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do so. > > > > My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, > > sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of near > > exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of all we go > > through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, something critical > > to staying ALIVE, and present. > > > > But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it is not > > our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. Nothing defines us > > once and forever. That is a stale model, of the old culture of labels. > > > > So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most negative > > insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego getting > > trapped in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and moving on. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I > > > > officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna > > > > program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic > > > > Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white > > > > (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!! > > > > > > Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and > > > appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, > > > within the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as > > > a meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you > > > participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few > > > months ago when you first started posting about your > > > disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many > > > others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was > > > a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard > > > feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not > > > stop me from considering all that you have to say about your own, very > > > different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider > > > all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having gone > > > through or seen what you did. > > > > > > I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the > > > slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY > > > and even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of > > > what you know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you > > > have to say for we
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted - to Doc
Great post Doc. I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why the eff does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for a don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' something. Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool box (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that path. I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or express in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences from their distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the next moment) as an indication that they have not "moved on." I don't see expression as being stuck in something. It could mean that; but only that person or someone who is intimately close with that person can really know if that is the case. I like the word "integrate" (like you stated) more than the phrases "getting over" or "moving on." (Though you did later in your comment use the phrase "move on.") Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when I'm there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate > something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple with a > fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do so. > > My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, > sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of near > exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of all we go > through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, something critical to > staying ALIVE, and present. > > But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it is not > our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. Nothing defines us > once and forever. That is a stale model, of the old culture of labels. > > So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most negative > insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego getting trapped > in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and moving on. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I > > > officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna > > > program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic > > > Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white > > > (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!! > > > > Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and > > appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, > > within the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a > > meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you > > participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months > > ago when you first started posting about your > > disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many others > > in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was a > > meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard > > feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop > > me from considering all that you have to say about your own, very > > different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider > > all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having gone > > through or seen what you did. > > > > I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the > > slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and > > even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you > > know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say > > for weeks now and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay > > on how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is > > happening now is that some are getting tired of reading, of being exposed > > to, what is starting to sound a little like a broken record. What you have > > to say isn't going anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is > > evidently important to you to use this forum, and other places, as a > > sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as if you are having to > > defend your position a little harder now, that there is not the same > > empathy or support for your position. It seems you are starting to look > > like a man standing alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an > > ever-increasing number of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. > > > > I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three > > months ago it is just that
