[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > of course, as I understand it, many woman like the veil. on the other hand I > am sure they would like to be able to drive, and vote and do some of the > other things they are prevented from. Sure. But in India women are driving and voting, there are still societal rules which are very restrictive, I am not defending them of course. But don't forget that India had women as PM's before many western societies had. For example did the US ever have a female president? > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > Think Arab countries. The women there were in this position, > > > of having no viable life unless they managed to attract a > > > man. And what did they have to *work* with, when attempting > > > to do this? About ten square inches around their eyes. > > > > I don't know about Arab counties, but many Muslim girls in India wear a > > veil too. And right, you see only the eyes, but the eyes are actually one > > of the most attractive parts of a human being. And yes, they do work with > > them, they can give you glances and be flirtatious even. > > > > Also. at least in India, almost all marriages are arranged, that is to say, > > they don't have to attract a partner, and most of the arab girls are > > married at a very young age. They will carry the veil only in public, on > > the streets, not at home. A prospective husband only will have to be > > invited to the home, and he will see her dressed like any other Indian > > girl. Or he will go to a restaurant, she will remove the veil while eating. > > I also don't think that they wear it at school. Think of the veil as being > > a street dress. > > > > > The rest of them was covered, head to toe, by some kind of > > > clothing to hide it. It *wasn't* as if they could flaunt a > > > bountiful pair of bazooms under their burnooses, right? > > > > Not quite right. I was surprised on one of my earlier trips to India, there > > were a few muslim girls, all veiled, running past me very close with their > > breast shaking and giggling. I mean, it's not so obvious, but there are > > ways. > > > > I actually like this, I mean the veil, as eyes are the most important part, > > and the concentration on the eyes usually makes a woman more beautiful. > > > > > All > > > they had to work with was their eyes (the rest of their > > > faces hidden behind a veil) and their Second Attention. Duh. > > > It's just a no-brainer as to whether they'd use it. > > > > Yep. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
of course, as I understand it, many woman like the veil. on the other hand I am sure they would like to be able to drive, and vote and do some of the other things they are prevented from. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > Think Arab countries. The women there were in this position, > > of having no viable life unless they managed to attract a > > man. And what did they have to *work* with, when attempting > > to do this? About ten square inches around their eyes. > > I don't know about Arab counties, but many Muslim girls in India wear a veil > too. And right, you see only the eyes, but the eyes are actually one of the > most attractive parts of a human being. And yes, they do work with them, they > can give you glances and be flirtatious even. > > Also. at least in India, almost all marriages are arranged, that is to say, > they don't have to attract a partner, and most of the arab girls are married > at a very young age. They will carry the veil only in public, on the streets, > not at home. A prospective husband only will have to be invited to the home, > and he will see her dressed like any other Indian girl. Or he will go to a > restaurant, she will remove the veil while eating. I also don't think that > they wear it at school. Think of the veil as being a street dress. > > > The rest of them was covered, head to toe, by some kind of > > clothing to hide it. It *wasn't* as if they could flaunt a > > bountiful pair of bazooms under their burnooses, right? > > Not quite right. I was surprised on one of my earlier trips to India, there > were a few muslim girls, all veiled, running past me very close with their > breast shaking and giggling. I mean, it's not so obvious, but there are ways. > > I actually like this, I mean the veil, as eyes are the most important part, > and the concentration on the eyes usually makes a woman more beautiful. > > > All > > they had to work with was their eyes (the rest of their > > faces hidden behind a veil) and their Second Attention. Duh. > > It's just a no-brainer as to whether they'd use it. > > Yep. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > Think Arab countries. The women there were in this position, > of having no viable life unless they managed to attract a > man. And what did they have to *work* with, when attempting > to do this? About ten square inches around their eyes. I don't know about Arab counties, but many Muslim girls in India wear a veil too. And right, you see only the eyes, but the eyes are actually one of the most attractive parts of a human being. And yes, they do work with them, they can give you glances and be flirtatious even. Also. at least in India, almost all marriages are arranged, that is to say, they don't have to attract a partner, and most of the arab girls are married at a very young age. They will carry the veil only in public, on the streets, not at home. A prospective husband only will have to be invited to the home, and he will see her dressed like any other Indian girl. Or he will go to a restaurant, she will remove the veil while eating. I also don't think that they wear it at school. Think of the veil as being a street dress. > The rest of them was covered, head to toe, by some kind of > clothing to hide it. It *wasn't* as if they could flaunt a > bountiful pair of bazooms under their burnooses, right? Not quite right. I was surprised on one of my earlier trips to India, there were a few muslim girls, all veiled, running past me very close with their breast shaking and giggling. I mean, it's not so obvious, but there are ways. I actually like this, I mean the veil, as eyes are the most important part, and the concentration on the eyes usually makes a woman more beautiful. > All > they had to work with was their eyes (the rest of their > faces hidden behind a veil) and their Second Attention. Duh. > It's just a no-brainer as to whether they'd use it. Yep.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > snip > > > > I have known a number of people over the years, of both > > > > sexes, who have rather keenly developed psychic abilities. > > > > Almost all of them, when we got to talking, would mention > > > > that they had grown quite used to gay people coming up > > > > and hitting on them, just *assuming* that they were gay, > > > > too. They weren't. What we consensually decided was that > > > > what the gay folks hitting on them were picking up on > > > > was their highly active psychic (or occult) side, and > > > > because they associated that vibe with being gay, merely > > > > assumed that when they saw it in someone else, *they* > > > > were gay, too. > > > > > > The one thing I've noticed over the years, is that when > > > I am passing someone on the street or elsewhere, there > > > will usually be some acknowledgment. May a nod, maybe > > > a "hey". Just something that happens, and my wife has > > > commented on it as well. > > > > Wow! You too! Remarkable! > > A close youngen, just make the remark: "Oh, that is just gay." > > > > My grandmother said, (just now) People are mostly happy and gay! > > > > I find people who are gay of sorts, usually respond well to > > pleasant dispositions everywhere. > > > > As for the psychic abilities, not so sure, because that could > > be pushing out, if one mentions they have them. > > I like the push in! > > Speaking of responding to pleasant dispositions, thanks > for responding in somewhat "like intent" to this thread. > > Just for fun, I'll pass along one of the stories I wrote > a number of years ago that also touches on these ideas > of both "pushing it out" and "pulling it in." It was on > my mind anyway, because earlier today I read a couple > of articles about Bruce Willis, and he's one of the > examples I use in the story of someone who has really > mastered the ability to "pull it in." > > http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm33.html > You are welcome. I went to the link and for some reason, started counting how many times you refer to yourself, in the first paragraph, 5 times? I am trying to stomach through the "Eyes," and trying not to be too "like intentional," but just enough for you to know, I am trying. :) I will keep reading, Uncle Tantra. Thanks for the link.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
You make me realize that I haven't REALLY thought what it must be like for women in Arab countries. Horrifying really. But I also realize that they probably think our way of life is horrifying. As for psychic abilities, I would guess that a person whose place in the tribe feels tenuous, that person would automatically and continuously develop keen powers of observation, especially with regards to any threat to their remaining accepted by the group. Such developed perception could, I bet, easily become psychic abilities. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Thanks for this. I've heard similar ideas from tantric > teacher David Deida. Also I'm thinking that pushing it > out opens one's aura to astral entities. True? I doubt it. I would say, and I know that Rama did say, that the thing that most opens one up to astral entities is spending any time whatsoever thinking about astral entities. What you focus on you become. > Will also add that primal survival issues are involved > in seeking the attention of others perceived as more > powerful than ourselves, a perception that may be left > over from childhood or previous lives. Absolutely. Or just as commonly, from the actual *survival* needs of living here and now. There are still societies on this planet in which women are not allowed to WORK, rendering their entire lives a struggle to attract some man who'll keep feeding them. It's perfectly natural for someone placed in that position who discovers (consciously or unconsciously) that she has the ability to "wrap" people psychically to do so, for her advantage. Think Arab countries. The women there were in this position, of having no viable life unless they managed to attract a man. And what did they have to *work* with, when attempting to do this? About ten square inches around their eyes. The rest of them was covered, head to toe, by some kind of clothing to hide it. It *wasn't* as if they could flaunt a bountiful pair of bazooms under their burnooses, right? All they had to work with was their eyes (the rest of their faces hidden behind a veil) and their Second Attention. Duh. It's just a no-brainer as to whether they'd use it. Thanks for responding to the rap in the spirit in which it was written. Just riffing on this in another direction, I am under the opinion (meaning that this is my rap, not Rama's) that another population segment that has developed this occult "pushing it out" ability is gays. Think about it. There are still societies on this planet in which getting caught being gay is punishable by impris- onment or death. So if you're gay and looking to hook up, HOW do you do it in a repressive society? You develop "gaydar," which IMO is not just about *recognizing* other people who potentially swing on the same side of the tree as you do, but "pushing it out" occultly to send them an "I'm interested" message. I have known a number of people over the years, of both sexes, who have rather keenly developed psychic abilities. Almost all of them, when we got to talking, would mention that they had grown quite used to gay people coming up and hitting on them, just *assuming* that they were gay, too. They weren't. What we consensually decided was that what the gay folks hitting on them were picking up on was their highly active psychic (or occult) side, and because they associated that vibe with being gay, merely assumed that when they saw it in someone else, *they* were gay, too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:41 AM, seventhray27 wrote: > ** > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > snip > > > I have known a number of people over the years, of both > > sexes, who have rather keenly developed psychic abilities. > > Almost all of them, when we got to talking, would mention > > that they had grown quite used to gay people coming up > > and hitting on them, just *assuming* that they were gay, > > too. They weren't. What we consensually decided was that > > what the gay folks hitting on them were picking up on > > was their highly active psychic (or occult) side, and > > because they associated that vibe with being gay, merely > > assumed that when they saw it in someone else, *they* > > were gay, too. > > > I attended a college reunion couple of years back comprised solely of guys. Among them a friend who apparently lacks the skills to communicate his regard for me in an emotionally healthy way and found it easy to just make fun of me as gay. After we had some music and dancing later that night I addressed all of my friends and told them that this friend of mine had developed a crush on me but he had sexually molested me during the dance. The look on his face was priceless. The one thing I've noticed over the years, is that when I am passing > someone on the street or elsewhere, there will usually be some > acknowledgment. May a nod, maybe a "hey". Just something that happens, and > my wife has commented on it as well. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > As for the psychic abilities, not so sure, because that could be pushing out, > if one mentions they have them. > I like the push in! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleXlgHI1oM
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That's freaky, Steve!! Though I do like Barry's approach for all the drama queenery - Makes a simple interaction with another human being so much more dangerous and fraught with tension; they might be ATTENTION VAMPIRES or PUSHING OUT THEIR ENERGY or RESOLVING KARMA. The thing jerky turqy needs to learn is that he is pretty much like everyone else, albeit a diminished version. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > snip > > I have known a number of people over the years, of both > > sexes, who have rather keenly developed psychic abilities. > > Almost all of them, when we got to talking, would mention > > that they had grown quite used to gay people coming up > > and hitting on them, just *assuming* that they were gay, > > too. They weren't. What we consensually decided was that > > what the gay folks hitting on them were picking up on > > was their highly active psychic (or occult) side, and > > because they associated that vibe with being gay, merely > > assumed that when they saw it in someone else, *they* > > were gay, too. > > > The one thing I've noticed over the years, is that when I am passing someone > on the street or elsewhere, there will usually be some acknowledgment. May a > nod, maybe a "hey". Just something that happens, and my wife has commented > on it as well. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
You really need to stop with all the self referencing. Just gets you lost inside your head. All I do, is interact with others, and they with me. End Of Story. I am in control of my senses, and only choose to place my attention, or respond, where I want to. These ideas you propose, under so many guises, showing weakness and fear of others' influence over you, is very odd, especially from someone who professes to be more than all that. My advice? Live your life, and let others live theirs. This idea of second attention would only arise from someone obsessed with attention. The whole thing is nonsensical and so was Fred, btw. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > This rap is long, and purely for my own amusement in writing it, so if > you are interested in neither of those things, "Next" my ass right now > and save yourself some misery. But as I was walking my dogs earlier, I > found thinking of how weirdly Jr. High School FFL has been lately, how > weirdly Jr. High School TMO teachings about sex and relationships have > always been in general, and in contrast thinking back to some of the > things that Rama - Fred Lenz used to say about such subjects. So I > thought I'd rap about them for a while, partly as a counterpoint to the > weird misconceptions of what he taught that people who never met him > tend to think they might have been, and partly just for fun. > > This should NOT be seen as an attempt to tout what he said as either > true or useful; it's purely an exercise in writing for me, to see how > much I remember. The dude's daid, after all, and didn't go out in the > most uplifting manner ever, rendering himself crab food and all that, so > it's not as if I'm trying to recruit anybody to anything. I'm just > having fun doing a kind of Castanedan recapitulation on an odd set of > teachings, one that you might not have heard from very many other > teachers or books. > > That caveat emptor clearly stated, here goes... > > > With regard to their relative potential to become enlightened in a > particular lifetime, Rama always taught that women had a better shot at > it than men. The reason he felt this way is that women seem to have a > more developed Second Attention than men. > > I am using Second Attention here in the Castanedan sense, meaning the > ability to affect the world around us using only mental intention. No > chants or mantras or handwaving or magical hocus-pocus Woo Woo stuff, > just thinking something and having that thinking rechannel certain of > your energies such that the thing you're thinking becomes an objective > reality, not just a subjective one. > > As an example of this, I'll reference one of his terms, "pushing it > out." This referred to women or men's ability to push out a type of > energy that makes them appear more attractive to others. You "push it > out" using occult energies, and people who are susceptible to occult > energy tend to react to that energy by focusing on you, and giving you > more attention. They also have a tendency to be oblivious *to* the > occult energies, and to confuse what's happened to them as "charisma," > which it isn't. To use a real-world illustration of this to make it more > familiar and less Woo Woo, try to remember back to the last party or > gathering you went to in which someone "made an entrance." > > I'm talking about those moments where someone -- male or female -- walks > through the door and every head in the room swivels to look at them. > People actually *feel* their entrance so strongly that they *turn > around* to look at them. THAT is the use of the Second Attention. THAT > is "pushing it out." If you step back from the wrap of the Second > Attention energy and assess things more rationally, you may notice that > the people who can do this are *not* necessarily the most physically > attractive people in the room -- but they ARE the most "psychically > attractive" in that they attract the most attention. > > Rama was of the opinion that women are on the whole more skilled at the > use of the Second Attention than men are. The reason for this, in his > opinion, is that women have been held down in positions of lower power > -- socially, economically, and spiritually -- than men, and as a result > have had to develop compensatory skills. Faced with a society in which > one's very existence and ability to eat (since in many societies women > couldn't even *work*) depended on one's ability to attract a "good > husband," Rama's theory was that women developed more of their Second > Attention abilities, especially the ability to "push it out." > > In most cases, the women who do this aren't consciously AWARE that > they're doing it. It's more of a reflexive thang, as it is for the men > who can also "push it out." They do it all the time, but aren't > consciously aware that they are doing so; they're kinda "unaware > occultists." Such people often *trick* themselves into "turning on" > their S
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > snip > > > I have known a number of people over the years, of both > > > sexes, who have rather keenly developed psychic abilities. > > > Almost all of them, when we got to talking, would mention > > > that they had grown quite used to gay people coming up > > > and hitting on them, just *assuming* that they were gay, > > > too. They weren't. What we consensually decided was that > > > what the gay folks hitting on them were picking up on > > > was their highly active psychic (or occult) side, and > > > because they associated that vibe with being gay, merely > > > assumed that when they saw it in someone else, *they* > > > were gay, too. > > > > The one thing I've noticed over the years, is that when > > I am passing someone on the street or elsewhere, there > > will usually be some acknowledgment. May a nod, maybe > > a "hey". Just something that happens, and my wife has > > commented on it as well. > > Wow! You too! Remarkable! > A close youngen, just make the remark: "Oh, that is just gay." > > My grandmother said, (just now) People are mostly happy and gay! > > I find people who are gay of sorts, usually respond well to > pleasant dispositions everywhere. > > As for the psychic abilities, not so sure, because that could > be pushing out, if one mentions they have them. > I like the push in! Speaking of responding to pleasant dispositions, thanks for responding in somewhat "like intent" to this thread. Just for fun, I'll pass along one of the stories I wrote a number of years ago that also touches on these ideas of both "pushing it out" and "pulling it in." It was on my mind anyway, because earlier today I read a couple of articles about Bruce Willis, and he's one of the examples I use in the story of someone who has really mastered the ability to "pull it in." http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/rtm33.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > snip > > I have known a number of people over the years, of both > > sexes, who have rather keenly developed psychic abilities. > > Almost all of them, when we got to talking, would mention > > that they had grown quite used to gay people coming up > > and hitting on them, just *assuming* that they were gay, > > too. They weren't. What we consensually decided was that > > what the gay folks hitting on them were picking up on > > was their highly active psychic (or occult) side, and > > because they associated that vibe with being gay, merely > > assumed that when they saw it in someone else, *they* > > were gay, too. > > > The one thing I've noticed over the years, is that when I am passing someone > on the street or elsewhere, there will usually be some acknowledgment. May a > nod, maybe a "hey". Just something that happens, and my wife has commented > on it as well. > Wow! You too! Remarkable! A close youngen, just make the remark: "Oh, that is just gay." My grandmother said, (just now) People are mostly happy and gay! I find people who are gay of sorts, usually respond well to pleasant dispositions everywhere. As for the psychic abilities, not so sure, because that could be pushing out, if one mentions they have them. I like the push in!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: snip > I have known a number of people over the years, of both > sexes, who have rather keenly developed psychic abilities. > Almost all of them, when we got to talking, would mention > that they had grown quite used to gay people coming up > and hitting on them, just *assuming* that they were gay, > too. They weren't. What we consensually decided was that > what the gay folks hitting on them were picking up on > was their highly active psychic (or occult) side, and > because they associated that vibe with being gay, merely > assumed that when they saw it in someone else, *they* > were gay, too. > The one thing I've noticed over the years, is that when I am passing someone on the street or elsewhere, there will usually be some acknowledgment. May a nod, maybe a "hey". Just something that happens, and my wife has commented on it as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Use of the Second Attention, Pros and Cons
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Thanks for this. I've heard similar ideas from tantric > teacher David Deida. Also I'm thinking that pushing it > out opens one's aura to astral entities. True? I doubt it. I would say, and I know that Rama did say, that the thing that most opens one up to astral entities is spending any time whatsoever thinking about astral entities. What you focus on you become. > Will also add that primal survival issues are involved > in seeking the attention of others perceived as more > powerful than ourselves, a perception that may be left > over from childhood or previous lives. Absolutely. Or just as commonly, from the actual *survival* needs of living here and now. There are still societies on this planet in which women are not allowed to WORK, rendering their entire lives a struggle to attract some man who'll keep feeding them. It's perfectly natural for someone placed in that position who discovers (consciously or unconsciously) that she has the ability to "wrap" people psychically to do so, for her advantage. Think Arab countries. The women there were in this position, of having no viable life unless they managed to attract a man. And what did they have to *work* with, when attempting to do this? About ten square inches around their eyes. The rest of them was covered, head to toe, by some kind of clothing to hide it. It *wasn't* as if they could flaunt a bountiful pair of bazooms under their burnooses, right? All they had to work with was their eyes (the rest of their faces hidden behind a veil) and their Second Attention. Duh. It's just a no-brainer as to whether they'd use it. Thanks for responding to the rap in the spirit in which it was written. Just riffing on this in another direction, I am under the opinion (meaning that this is my rap, not Rama's) that another population segment that has developed this occult "pushing it out" ability is gays. Think about it. There are still societies on this planet in which getting caught being gay is punishable by impris- onment or death. So if you're gay and looking to hook up, HOW do you do it in a repressive society? You develop "gaydar," which IMO is not just about *recognizing* other people who potentially swing on the same side of the tree as you do, but "pushing it out" occultly to send them an "I'm interested" message. I have known a number of people over the years, of both sexes, who have rather keenly developed psychic abilities. Almost all of them, when we got to talking, would mention that they had grown quite used to gay people coming up and hitting on them, just *assuming* that they were gay, too. They weren't. What we consensually decided was that what the gay folks hitting on them were picking up on was their highly active psychic (or occult) side, and because they associated that vibe with being gay, merely assumed that when they saw it in someone else, *they* were gay, too.
