Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...to Xeno Taxi
Xeno I have thought lines on space but never heard someone else talk about that. And I don't experience it a lot though have lots of lines on water lines on air the last 2 months or so. A lot of detachment, especially from my own automatic responses. And I like the distinction you make between lines on air and flawed memory. They definitely feel different to me in the energetic sense of the word feel. Lines on air feels expanded and flowing whereas faulty memory feels constricted and jaggedy. Because it is so profound and revolutionary, I love what Maharishi taught about attachment and detachment. From Science of Being: ...identification is not bondage. What is bondage is inability to maintain Being while indulging in experience and activity. My interpretation: we don't have to make a mood of detachment. More importantly we can indulge in any experience and still realize Being. I'm diving into my attachments now. Let the Being get stronger as a result, that's what I say. Funnily enough I was looking at FFL photo section last night. I thought I saw a photo of you. Of course now I can't find that whole page! Anyway at the time I remember thinking that you don't look your age. Fun to have faces to connect to the writing. It adds a dimension that can engender more understanding in me. I say ditto to what Steve said about hoping you stick around a long time. And hope you're at least a little recuperated from your most recent bout of cold or flu. As always, thanks for making me think. I do love all the different ingredients that make FFL such a rich stew. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 9:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...to Xeno Taxi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Xeno I'm all befuddled about your age. You talk about beer and babes but > then you say that you are old and it's past your bedtime! Anyway, thank you > for making me LOL at those 4 fundamental forces of nature and at the thought > of you being all Socrates like but misunderstanding everything. Don't they > say that's the real beginning of wisdom? Those who are about my age tell me I look younger than my age, and that is likely because, like me, they can no longer see well. To the younger set, I look very old, like an old Greek statue, rife with cracks. I believe I have about a decade on you Share, in the plus direction. How can you be wise if you do not know anything. As being comes more to the fore, book learning becomes less interesting by comparison, but it is still magnificently useful, but its reality as 'knowledge' fades; being becomes experienced as truth, and yet you cannot say what it is, it defies verbalisation, so all you know is what you are experiencing at the moment, and it is captivating, but it does not have any qualities that would say, make you professorial in a book learning sense. As this dynamic between a void, and what is conventionally called learning is hardly settled in me, I have no idea how I might experience things later on, and as anticipation fades away, having the desire to investigate this situation also fades. But doing some task that takes book learning, or some kind of specific experience, like baking some muffins, there is no difficulty applying to that task. While the advertising for TM says it improves memory, I find the opposite now. Age has something to do with it, but as experiences cut less deep, like a line in empty space sometimes, remembering is not intense; I can go to a movie, say in IMax, like 'The Dark Knight Rises' which has some very intense activity and violence, and in IMax loud clear audio with pounding drums, and leaving the theatre, it fades away. I often have a lot of trouble remembering what movie I went to the previous day. It is really an intriguing experience, because it lends life a kind of freshness that compensates for flattening out effect of everything being basically the same. Those who say meditation creates negative effects like disassociation are observing part of what meditation does, it disconnects you personally from the world, but eventually it seems to replace that 'loss' with something more engaging and intimate, a much more subtle form of connexion with things. I am approaching that time where half the people I have known are now dead, so this dawning of experience is a good thing, because I could be the next actuarial statistic. To be or not to be, as a body, is something one has little control over. To simply be though, makes that lack of domination over personal fate less and less of an issue.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...to Xeno Taxi
Steve, your propensity to cry these days makes me feel better. I cry a lot too. Making up for all those years that I didn't and had forgotten how to. Happy belated birthday to your wife. Xeno, you are well loved here and I hope you are feeling better. Doing the math, you have at least another 10 to 20ish good years to stick around, so take good care. My grandfather lived to be 99.5 and my grandmother 93; they never lost their mental faculties, but the aging body is what it is and must be accommodated. I love what you write when you articulate your experience of living - so many times it makes so much practical sense and reads and feels like a warm blanket - not sure why, exactly. Your presence benefits many here. > > From: seventhray27 >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 10:31 PM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...to Xeno Taxi > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > >Stop already! You're about to make me cry. I don't want to lose you anytime >soon! >> I am approaching that time where half the people I have known are now dead, >> so this dawning of experience is a good thing, because I could be the next >> actuarial statistic. To be or not to be, as a body, is something one has >> little control over. To simply be though, makes that lack of domination over >> personal fate less and less of an issue. >> > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...to Xeno Taxi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: Stop already! You're about to make me cry. I don't want to lose you anytime soon! > I am approaching that time where half the people I have known are now dead, so this dawning of experience is a good thing, because I could be the next actuarial statistic. To be or not to be, as a body, is something one has little control over. To simply be though, makes that lack of domination over personal fate less and less of an issue. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...to Xeno Taxi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Xeno I'm all befuddled about your age. You talk about beer and babes but > then you say that you are old and it's past your bedtime! Anyway, thank you > for making me LOL at those 4 fundamental forces of nature and at the thought > of you being all Socrates like but misunderstanding everything. Don't they > say that's the real beginning of wisdom? Those who are about my age tell me I look younger than my age, and that is likely because, like me, they can no longer see well. To the younger set, I look very old, like an old Greek statue, rife with cracks. I believe I have about a decade on you Share, in the plus direction. How can you be wise if you do not know anything. As being comes more to the fore, book learning becomes less interesting by comparison, but it is still magnificently useful, but its reality as 'knowledge' fades; being becomes experienced as truth, and yet you cannot say what it is, it defies verbalisation, so all you know is what you are experiencing at the moment, and it is captivating, but it does not have any qualities that would say, make you professorial in a book learning sense. As this dynamic between a void, and what is conventionally called learning is hardly settled in me, I have no idea how I might experience things later on, and as anticipation fades away, having the desire to investigate this situation also fades. But doing some task that takes book learning, or some kind of specific experience, like baking some muffins, there is no difficulty applying to that task. While the advertising for TM says it improves memory, I find the opposite now. Age has something to do with it, but as experiences cut less deep, like a line in empty space sometimes, remembering is not intense; I can go to a movie, say in IMax, like 'The Dark Knight Rises' which has some very intense activity and violence, and in IMax loud clear audio with pounding drums, and leaving the theatre, it fades away. I often have a lot of trouble remembering what movie I went to the previous day. It is really an intriguing experience, because it lends life a kind of freshness that compensates for flattening out effect of everything being basically the same. Those who say meditation creates negative effects like disassociation are observing part of what meditation does, it disconnects you personally from the world, but eventually it seems to replace that 'loss' with something more engaging and intimate, a much more subtle form of connexion with things. I am approaching that time where half the people I have known are now dead, so this dawning of experience is a good thing, because I could be the next actuarial statistic. To be or not to be, as a body, is something one has little control over. To simply be though, makes that lack of domination over personal fate less and less of an issue.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > > > > > > > > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia says she was off getting a much-needed > > > > 500,000-mile snark tuneup. Now she's back, ready > > > > to give anyone who's ever committed the mortal > > > > sin of disagreeing with her what-for. :-) > > > > > > > > What a tool. And how utterly predictable... > > > She sure doesn't seem to change. And okay, let me say it, not > > > a word about what she did over this break. No obligation to do > > > so, of course, but odd, nonetheless. No mention of "yes, I > > > spent time with my sister", or "I decided to do a little > > > traveling". Nothing. > > > > I did say I was going out of town; I guess you missed that. > > > > Actually I went to Fairfield and spent several days making > > mad passionate love with Buck in his barn. We didn't want > > anybody to know, but the last thing I want to do on FFL is > > to appear odd, so I hope he'll forgive me for spilling the > > beans. > I can just see it now... > > http://youtu.be/pfAeg_hc_jM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Actually I went to Fairfield and spent several days making > > mad passionate love with Buck in his barn. We didn't want > > anybody to know, but the last thing I want to do on FFL is > > to appear odd, so I hope he'll forgive me for spilling the > > beans. > > > Om, who you with? I don't got a barn. Oh, sheesh, OK, the stable. I always get them mixed up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > > > > > > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia says she was off getting a much-needed > > > 500,000-mile snark tuneup. Now she's back, ready > > > to give anyone who's ever committed the mortal > > > sin of disagreeing with her what-for. :-) > > > > > > What a tool. And how utterly predictable... > > She sure doesn't seem to change. And okay, let me say it, not > > a word about what she did over this break. No obligation to do > > so, of course, but odd, nonetheless. No mention of "yes, I > > spent time with my sister", or "I decided to do a little > > traveling". Nothing. > > I did say I was going out of town; I guess you missed that. > > Actually I went to Fairfield and spent several days making > mad passionate love with Buck in his barn. We didn't want > anybody to know, but the last thing I want to do on FFL is > to appear odd, so I hope he'll forgive me for spilling the > beans. I can just see it now... > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > > > > > > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > > > > > > >>> ever run across. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > > > > > > > as much in other ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? > > > > > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > > > > > > > With that person, I could then perhaps have the most > > > > > > > undiscerning > > > > > > > conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, > > > > > > > unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Funniest post we've had in a while here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > > > > > > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia says she was off getting a much-needed > > > 500,000-mile snark tuneup. Now she's back, ready > > > to give anyone who's ever committed the mortal > > > sin of disagreeing with her what-for. :-) > > > > > > What a tool. And how utterly predictable... > > She sure doesn't seem to change. And okay, let me say it, not > > a word about what she did over this break. No obligation to do > > so, of course, but odd, nonetheless. No mention of "yes, I > > spent time with my sister", or "I decided to do a little > > traveling". Nothing. > > I did say I was going out of town; I guess you missed that. > > Actually I went to Fairfield and spent several days making > mad passionate love with Buck in his barn. We didn't want > anybody to know, but the last thing I want to do on FFL is > to appear odd, so I hope he'll forgive me for spilling the > beans. > > Om, who you with? I don't got a barn. Never seen the woman. -Buck > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > > > > > > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > > > > > > >>> ever run across. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > > > > > > > as much in other ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? > > > > > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > > > > > > > With that person, I could then perhaps have the most > > > > > > > undiscerning > > > > > > > conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, > > > > > > > unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Funniest post we've had in a while here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > > > > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. > > > > > > Wikipedia says she was off getting a much-needed > > 500,000-mile snark tuneup. Now she's back, ready > > to give anyone who's ever committed the mortal > > sin of disagreeing with her what-for. :-) > > > > What a tool. And how utterly predictable... > She sure doesn't seem to change. And okay, let me say it, not > a word about what she did over this break. No obligation to do > so, of course, but odd, nonetheless. No mention of "yes, I > spent time with my sister", or "I decided to do a little > traveling". Nothing. I did say I was going out of town; I guess you missed that. Actually I went to Fairfield and spent several days making mad passionate love with Buck in his barn. We didn't want anybody to know, but the last thing I want to do on FFL is to appear odd, so I hope he'll forgive me for spilling the beans. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > > > > > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > > > > > >>> ever run across. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > > > > > > as much in other ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? > > > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > > > > > With that person, I could then perhaps have the most > > > > > > undiscerning > > > > > > conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, > > > > > > unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. > > > > > > > > > > Funniest post we've had in a while here. > > > > > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
Glad to oblige Judy. But I can't sez that you've come back in a lighter state of mind fromwherever it was you spent this holiday break. I'm still having some vacation afterglow! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Steve, thank you for your "funniest post" comment. Couldn't > have been more perfect. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > > > > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > > > > >>> ever run across. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > > > > > > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > > > > > as much in other ways. > > > > > > > > > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > > > With that person, I could then perhaps have the most > > > > > undiscerning conversation in history. One for the record > > > > > books, opaque, unpenetrating blather and monumentally > > > > > shallow. > > > > > > > > Funniest post we've had in a while here. > > > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
Steve, thank you for your "funniest post" comment. Couldn't have been more perfect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > > > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > > > >>> ever run across. > > > > >> > > > > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > > > > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > > > > as much in other ways. > > > > > > > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? > > > > Steve. > > > > > > With that person, I could then perhaps have the most > > > > undiscerning conversation in history. One for the record > > > > books, opaque, unpenetrating blather and monumentally > > > > shallow. > > > > > > Funniest post we've had in a while here. > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...to Xeno Taxi
Xeno I'm all befuddled about your age. You talk about beer and babes but then you say that you are old and it's past your bedtime! Anyway, thank you for making me LOL at those 4 fundamental forces of nature and at the thought of you being all Socrates like but misunderstanding everything. Don't they say that's the real beginning of wisdom? From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 12:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. All good things come to an end. A kind of peace flowed here. Well, since we have no insight into human interactions, perhaps we could discuss the relationship of peanuts, beer, babes, and contact sports and their relationship to enlightenment and purity of consciousness.I think these four fundamental forces of nature need to be approached in that order. A certain kind of inertia is required to have an especially dim interchange. It is pretty late for me. Bedtime. I am old you know. Perhaps I should start with the peanuts and beer for a very late night snack - might help reset clarity in the morning for that proper and subtle level of obtuseness necessary to misunderstand everything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. > > All good things come to an end. A kind of peace flowed here. Well, since we have no insight into human interactions, perhaps we could discuss the relationship of peanuts, beer, babes, and contact sports and their relationship to enlightenment and purity of consciousness.I think these four fundamental forces of nature need to be approached in that order. A certain kind of inertia is required to have an especially dim interchange. It is pretty late for me. Bedtime. I am old you know. Perhaps I should start with the peanuts and beer for a very late night snack - might help reset clarity in the morning for that proper and subtle level of obtuseness necessary to misunderstand everything. Picture your dad coming back from a two week vacation, walking in the house and the first thing out his mouth, "okay, why is that trash in the back yard, godamnit, I told you to water the plants'. Business as usual.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. > > > Wikipedia says she was off getting a much-needed > 500,000-mile snark tuneup. Now she's back, ready > to give anyone who's ever committed the mortal > sin of disagreeing with her what-for. :-) > > What a tool. And how utterly predictable... She sure doesn't seem to change. And okay, let me say it, not a word about what she did over this break. No obligation to do so, of course, but odd, nonetheless. No mention of "yes, I spent time with my sister", or "I decided to do a little traveling". Nothing. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > > > > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > > > > >>> ever run across. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > > > > > > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > > > > > as much in other ways. > > > > > > > > > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? > > > > > > Steve. > > > > > > > > With that person, I could then perhaps have the most > > > > > undiscerning > > > > > conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, > > > > > unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. > > > > > > > > Funniest post we've had in a while here. > > > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. > > All good things come to an end. A kind of peace flowed > here. Well, since we have no insight into human > interactions, perhaps we could discuss the relationship > of peanuts, beer, babes, and contact sports and their > relationship to enlightenment and purity of consciousness. As Patanjali said, "By making samyama on the relationship of peanuts and beer -- in a good pub with cable sports TV, that is -- comes the knowledge of the relationship between babes and contact sports." As for the enlightenment and the purity of consciousness, you're on your own...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. All good things come to an end. A kind of peace flowed here. Well, since we have no insight into human interactions, perhaps we could discuss the relationship of peanuts, beer, babes, and contact sports and their relationship to enlightenment and purity of consciousness.I think these four fundamental forces of nature need to be approached in that order. A certain kind of inertia is required to have an especially dim interchange. It is pretty late for me. Bedtime. I am old you know. Perhaps I should start with the peanuts and beer for a very late night snack - might help reset clarity in the morning for that proper and subtle level of obtuseness necessary to misunderstand everything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. > > How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. Wikipedia says she was off getting a much-needed 500,000-mile snark tuneup. Now she's back, ready to give anyone who's ever committed the mortal sin of disagreeing with her what-for. :-) What a tool. And how utterly predictable... > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > > > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > > > >>> ever run across. > > > > >> > > > > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > > > > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > > > > as much in other ways. > > > > > > > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? > > > > Steve. > > > > > > With that person, I could then perhaps have the most > > > > undiscerning > > > > conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, > > > > unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. > > > > > > Funniest post we've had in a while here. > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
Xeno, sounds like you and I are in for a fun conversation. How nice to have Judy's uplifting presence here again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > > >>> ever run across. > > > >> > > > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > > > as much in other ways. > > > > > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? > > Steve. > > > > With that person, I could then perhaps have the most undiscerning > > > conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, > > > unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. > > > > Funniest post we've had in a while here. > > > > > > > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > >> > > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > >>> ever run across. > > >> > > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > > as much in other ways. > > > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? Steve. > > With that person, I could then perhaps have the most undiscerning > > conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, > > unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. > > Funniest post we've had in a while here. > > > > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > >> > >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have > >>> ever run across. > >> > >> You thought that comment was serious? > > > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > > as much in other ways. > > > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? With that person, I could then perhaps have the most undiscerning conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. Funniest post we've had in a while here. > http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> >>> Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least >>> insightful about what goes on between people that I have >>> ever run across. >> >> You thought that comment was serious? > > Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said > as much in other ways. > If I am the least insightful, who is the runner up? With that person, I could then perhaps have the most undiscerning conversation in history. One for the record books, opaque, unpenetrating blather and monumentally shallow. http://youtu.be/oKdWbBnX3Uw
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > > Wow, think about publishing the authfriend-turquoiseb conflict. > > > There is a lot of material to make bucks with. I believe this > > > conflict lasted nearly two decades. One side was in conflict, > > > while the other side sipped coffee. > > > > Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > > insightful about what goes on between people that I have > > ever run across. > > You thought that comment was serious? Serious enough for me to make the point, Xeno. You've said as much in other ways.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > Wow, think about publishing the authfriend-turquoiseb conflict. > > There is a lot of material to make bucks with. I believe this > > conflict lasted nearly two decades. One side was in conflict, > > while the other side sipped coffee. > > Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least > insightful about what goes on between people that I have > ever run across. You thought that comment was serious?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > ...or anything else you read on the Internet: > > After a half decade, massive Wikipedia hoax revealed For the record, I've used Wikipedia in my editorial work and for a thousand other reasons and have found it to be remarkably accurate. You should never depend on Wikipedia alone for anything important, but the beauty of it is that it typically offers all kinds of links to its sources and to further reading, so it's easy to confirm the content--or, of course, to disconfirm it, but as noted, that rarely happens.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > Wow, think about publishing the authfriend-turquoiseb conflict. > There is a lot of material to make bucks with. I believe this > conflict lasted nearly two decades. One side was in conflict, > while the other side sipped coffee. Wrong. You are perhaps the individual who is the least insightful about what goes on between people that I have ever run across.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > ...So while the Bicholim Conflict is now dead on Wikipedia, it still persists on the "New World Encyclopedia > And for just $20, you can buy a hard copy > http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bicholim-conflict-jesse-russell/1112329 Wow, think about publishing the authfriend-turquoiseb conflict. There is a lot of material to make bucks with. I believe this conflict lasted nearly two decades. One side was in conflict, while the other side sipped coffee.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The perils of believing Wikipedia...
Bravo Thanks Turquoiseb has to be found,said and or written once a while. Wikipedia is not subject to any peer review for scientific, medical or engineering articles and is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay only. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles, except in limited cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism. Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or, if they choose to, with their real identity. In peer-reviewing we have the rule any link or quote from Wikipedia are unacceptable and publication of this paper has to be denied for this reason only and for me if i got a second time an author doing this reviewing are rejected ... But what about Alexander and his "..he's not dead until Wikipedia says he's dead." [;)] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/331400 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > ...or anything else you read on the Internet: > > After a half decade, massive Wikipedia hoax revealed > > > Up until a week ago, here is something you could have learned from > Wikipedia: > > From 1640 to 1641 the might of colonial Portugal clashed with India's > massive Maratha Empire in an undeclared war that would later be known as > the Bicholim Conflict. Named after the northern Indian region where > most of the fighting took place, the conflict ended with a peace treaty > that would later help cement Goa as an independent Indian state. > > Except none of this ever actually happened. The Bicholim Conflict is a > figment of a creative Wikipedian's imagination. It's a huge, laborious, > 4,500 word hoax. And it fooled Wikipedia editors for more than 5 years. > > But even exposed and deleted, Wikipedia's influence over the Web is > such that the Bicholim Conflict continues to persist, like a resilient > parasite. > > The perpetrator of the hoax is a mystery. Wikipedia admins deleted the > edit history along with the article. Users of the Wikipediocracy forum > have pinned down >a likely > suspect, however, a Wikipedian who went by the handle > "A-b-a-a-a-a-a-a-b-a." He or she authored a big chunk of the article's > text, and also nominated > > olim_conflict/archive1> it for "featured Article" standing in October > 2007, writing: > > "I'm nominating this article for featured article because after much > work I believe it has reached its maximum potential. It is not a very > huge event and doesn't have more than a few chapters in literature based > on it but I've still created the article to quite a good size." > > "Featured Article > " status is > a bit of a badge of honor on Wikipedia, a recognition bestowed to only > the highest quality pieces on the site. Out of more than 4 million > English Wikipedia articles, only 3,772 are "featured." Thankfully the > Bicholim Conflict didn't pass mustereditors who reviewed it cited > an overreliance on a few weak sources, never realizing that those > sources never existed in the first place. > > And the Bicholim Conflict was still labelled a "Good Article > ," a status it had received > just two months after being created in July, 2007. That status is a > step down from featured, but still a designation given to less than 1 > percent of all English-language articles on the site. > > Enter Wikipedian-detective ShelfSkewed, who decided in late December, > for no apparent reason, to delve into the article's sources. What he > found was pretty amazing: None of the books used as source material in > the article appeared to exist. > > On Dec. 29, 2012, ShelfSkewed nominated > > onflict> the whole thing for deletion: > > After careful consideration and some research, I have come to the > conclusion that this article is a hoaxa clever and elaborate hoax, > but a hoax nonetheless. An online search for "Bicholim conflict" or for > many of the article's purported sources produces only results that can > be traced back to the article itself. Take, for example, one of the > article's major sources: Thompson, Mark, Mistrust between states, Oxford > University Press, London 1996. No record at WorldCat. No mention at the > [Oxford University Press] site. No used listings at Alibris or ABE. I > can find no evidence anywhere that this book exists. > He or she added: "Ridiculous." > Six other editors agreed. And with that, the five-and-a-half-year lie > was finally snuffed out of existence. > > A half-decade sounds like a long time. But while impressive, seven other > Wikipedia hoaxes > > have actually lived longer. These include an article on a supposed > torture device called "Crocodile Shears > > shears> " (which persisted for six years and four months) and one on > Chen Fang, a Harvard University student who, intent to demonstrate the > limitations of Wikipedia, named himself the mayor of a small Chinese > town. It took more than seven years > > chive241#Fictional_entry.3F> for Wikipedia e
