[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: The fact that you and others are trying to discuss it shows that we are still in the Kali Yuga.. The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in Kali Yuga. Dear Retardshri Tompally Maharaj - you are right. Lets dawn in that Sat Yuga by reigning in this mad yogi, its not too late to asunder him, his ex tried and failed numerous times. I could provide her number so you can both compare notes and try some new strategy. Let me if you need any other help.
[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
I have this feeling that alcohol might be involved. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: The fact that you and others are trying to discuss it shows that we are still in the Kali Yuga.. The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in Kali Yuga. Dear Retardshri Tompally Maharaj - you are right. Lets dawn in that Sat Yuga by reigning in this mad yogi, its not too late to asunder him, his ex tried and failed numerous times. I could provide her number so you can both compare notes and try some new strategy. Let me if you need any other help.
[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
You got it Joeyji..:-). The divine mother should stop giving her special divine vodka to this mad yogi, he needs no second invitation on a Friday night to engage in a brawl at FFL Pub. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: I have this feeling that alcohol might be involved. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: The fact that you and others are trying to discuss it shows that we are still in the Kali Yuga.. The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in Kali Yuga. Dear Retardshri Tompally Maharaj - you are right. Lets dawn in that Sat Yuga by reigning in this mad yogi, its not too late to asunder him, his ex tried and failed numerous times. I could provide her number so you can both compare notes and try some new strategy. Let me if you need any other help.
[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
The fact that you and others are trying to discuss it shows that we are still in the Kali Yuga..:-), but seriously there are other god-realized Gurus that do believe this is Kali Yuga and its hard for me personally to think otherwise or agree with Sri Yukteshwar. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: a theory revolutionary to most of India. Sri Yukteswar maintained that the world has emerged from the lowest matter-bound age of Kali Yuga and, in a rising cycle of time, had entered the higher energy-oriented age of Dwapara Yuga. Who are you going to believe a God Realized Guru? or a Maharishi (Great teacher)? Are you going to believe what is found in books? (like the TMorg) or what is intuitively revealed to a great Soul? (like Swami Sri Yukteswar). Kali yuga started in AD 500 and ended in AD 1700.Kali Yuga or Iron age is only 1200 year duration in every cycle. The book, The Holy Science, combines the astrological eras with time periods that are described in ancient Hindu works, notably the Manu Samhita. Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nQ36ELb0eg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: The fact that you and others are trying to discuss it shows that we are still in the Kali Yuga.. The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in Kali Yuga.
[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: The fact that you and others are trying to discuss it shows that we are still in the Kali Yuga.. The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in Kali Yuga. The fact that ANYONE is discussing Yugas as if they existed, and as if there were any human being capable of knowing or describing what happens in the universe in million-plus-year cycles shows how insufferably GULLIBLE people are, and how willing they are to settle for pat answers, as long as they have the magic buzzword Vedic attached to them. What is most fascinating is that many of the people on this forum who throw around terms like Satya-yuga and Kali-yuga as if they had any meaning consider themselves rational, and even scientific while relying on bullshit Iron Age Woo Woo. Here (from Wikipedia) is what they really believe in when they use these terms. Sounds an awful lot like believing in a bunch of gods and goddesses and what the painting of a yagya I posted the other day depicted, doesn't it? If this super- stitious crap came from any other culture people would laugh at it like the...uh...superstitious crap it is. But as long as it's got the V-word attached to it, they believe in it fully. Go figure. Yuga (DevanÄgari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : यà¥à¤) in Hindu philosophy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_philosophy is the name of an 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are the Krita Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Yuga , the Treta Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treta_Yuga , the Dvapara Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvapara_Yuga , and finally the Kali Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga . According to Hindu cosmology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology , life in the universe is created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-0 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-1 which is one full day (day and night) for Brahma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma . The lifetime of a Brahma himself may be 311 trillion and 40 Billion years.[1] http://veda.wikidot.com/srishti-and-pralaya The cycles are said to repeat like the seasons, waxing and waning within a greater time-cycle of the creation and destruction of the universe. Like Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each yuga involves stages or gradual changes which the earth and the consciousness of mankind goes through as a whole. A complete yuga cycle from a high Golden Age http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age of enlightenment to a Dark Age and back again is said to be caused by the solar system's motion around another star. According to the Laws of Manu, one of the earliest known texts describing the yugas, the length is 4800 years + 3600 years + 2400 years + 1200 years for a total of 12,000 years for one arc, or 24,000 years to complete the cycle (one precession of the equinox). There is no mention of a year of the demigods or any year longer than the solar year, which is consistent with description in The Holy Science.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-holy-2 However, the more recent and popular interpretation from the Srimad Bhagavatam states the following: The duration of the Satya millennium equals 4,800 years of the years of the demigods http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_%28Hinduism%29 ; the duration of the DvÄpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of the Kali millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods... As aforementioned, one year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years. The duration of the TretÄ-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years. The duration of the DvÄpara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years. And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 x 360, or 432,000 years. (ÅrÄ«mad BhÄgavatam 3.11.19) [2] http://vedabase.net/sb/3/11/19/ . These 4 yugas follow a timeline ratio of (4:3:2:1). [4 yugas.PNG] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4_yugas.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-holy-2 The ages see a gradual decline of dharma, wisdom, knowledge, intellectual capability, life span, emotional and physical strength. * Satya Yuga:- Virtue reigns supreme. Human stature was 21 cubits. Average human lifespan was 400 years. * Treta Yuga: - There was 3 quarter virtue 1 quarter sin. Normal human stature was 14 cubits. Average human lifespan was 300 years. * Dwapar Yuga: - There was 1 half virtue 1 half sin. Normal human stature was 7 cubits. Average human lifespan was 200 years. * Kali Yuga: - There was 1 quarter virtue 3 quarter sin. Normal human stature was 3.5 cubits. Average human lifespan will be 100 years. While the long yuga count is the most popular it does not correlate to any known celestial motion found in the Astronomical
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
The only problem with this widespread presentation of the yugas is that they are more the result of early colonial translations than by the pundits who were aware of how they were to be interpreted. Each of these needs to be further divided into 71.42. This puts these more into human terms: According to the traditional Indian calendar, which is still in use, the Kali Yuga commenced in 3012 B.C. If we accept this date for the beginning of Kali Yuga, the following cal-endar results: Dawn of KritaYuga 58,042 B.C. Beginning of Krita Yuga 56,026 B.C. Beginning of Twilight 35,864 B.C. Dawn of Treta Yuga 33, 848 B.C. Beginning of Treta Yuga 32,336 B.C. Beginning of Twilight 17,215 B.C. Dawn of Dvapara Yuga15,703 B.C. Beginning of Dvapara Yuga 14,695 B.C. Beginning of Twilight 4,614 B.C. Dawn of Kali Yuga 3,606 B.C. Kali Yuga 3,102 B.C. Middle of Kali Yuga 582 B.C. Beginning of Twilight A.D. 1,939 End of Twilight of Kali YugaA.D. 2,442 The twilight of the Kali Yuga therefore would have started in 1939, in the month of May. The final catastrophe will take place during this twilight. The last traces of this present humankind will have disappeared in 2442. The figures, as we have seen, are accurate to within fifty years. Using these dates as a starting point and going back, we find that the first manifestation of humanity came forth in 419,964 B.C., the second in 359,477 B.C., the third in 298,990 B.C., the fourth in 238,503 B.C., the fifth in 178,016 B.C., the sixth in 118,529 B.C. and the seventh in 58,042 B.C. The beginning of the present human cycle, the seventh, in 58,042 B.C., seems to correspond to the appearance of what we call Homo sapiens or Cro-Magnon man. The species that preceded this is probably that to which we give the name Neanderthal, whose brain capacity (1400 cm^3) was markedly superior to ours, which varies between 1,200 cm^3 (Nordic males) and 650 cm^3 (Polynesian females); according to anthropological treatises, Neanderthal man probably dates back to 118,000 B.C. The first period, the Krita Yuga, is the age of accomplishment and wisdom (corresponding to the Golden Age of Hesiod). Including its dawn and twilight, it lasts 24,195 years. Next comes the Treta Yuga, the age of the three ritual fires, the age of rites but also of the hearth, that is, of sedentary, agricultural, and urban civilization. Its duration, counting the dawn and twilight, is 18,146 years in all. The third age, the Dvapara Yuga or age of doubt sees the birth of the anti-establishment religions and philosophies. Man loses the sense of the divine reality of the world and grows away from natural law. The Dvapara Yuga lasts 10,081 years, and its dawn and twilight last 1,008 years each, a total of 12,097 years. Finally comes the fourth age or age of conflict, the Kali Yuga. It lasts 5,040 years, and its dawn and twilight each last 504 years, totaling 6,048 years. It will end with the nearly total destruction of the present humanity. The word Treta, triad, refers to the three ritual fires. Dvapara can mean after the two, but more especially doubt or uncertainty. Kali (two short syllables), which means quarrel or conflict, bears no relationship to Kali (long syllables), which is the name of the goddess, of the power of time and of death. - from Danielou and his teacher, who was the leading student of SBS. On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:11 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Yuga (DevanÄgari: यà¥à¤—) in Hindu philosophy is the name of an 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are the Krita Yuga, the Treta Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga, and finally the Kali Yuga. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,[1][2] which is one full day (day and night) forBrahma. The lifetime of a Brahma himself may be 311 trillion and 40 Billion years.[1] The cycles are said to repeat like the seasons, waxing and waning within a greater time-cycle of the creation and destruction of the universe. Like Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each yuga involves stages or gradual changes which the earth and the consciousness of mankind goes through as a whole. A complete yuga cycle from a high Golden Age of enlightenment to a Dark Age and back again is said to be caused by the solar system's motion around another star. According to the Laws of Manu, one of the earliest known texts describing the yugas, the length is 4800 years + 3600 years + 2400 years + 1200 years for a total of 12,000 years for one arc, or 24,000 years to complete the cycle (one precession of
[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
You really enjoy being the ultimate conformist Turq, don't you? - Anything that cannot be proven by your god of empiricism or that which is not commonly accepted is fair game for you. You pretend to be some sort of rebel in terms of jay walking or small acts of defiance, but everything you write has conformist and follower written all over it. Some of us just aren't like that. Go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: The fact that you and others are trying to discuss it shows that we are still in the Kali Yuga.. The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in Kali Yuga. The fact that ANYONE is discussing Yugas as if they existed, and as if there were any human being capable of knowing or describing what happens in the universe in million-plus-year cycles shows how insufferably GULLIBLE people are, and how willing they are to settle for pat answers, as long as they have the magic buzzword Vedic attached to them. What is most fascinating is that many of the people on this forum who throw around terms like Satya-yuga and Kali-yuga as if they had any meaning consider themselves rational, and even scientific while relying on bullshit Iron Age Woo Woo. Here (from Wikipedia) is what they really believe in when they use these terms. Sounds an awful lot like believing in a bunch of gods and goddesses and what the painting of a yagya I posted the other day depicted, doesn't it? If this super- stitious crap came from any other culture people would laugh at it like the...uh...superstitious crap it is. But as long as it's got the V-word attached to it, they believe in it fully. Go figure. Yuga (DevanÄgari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari : यà¥à¤) in Hindu philosophy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_philosophy is the name of an 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are the Krita Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Yuga , the Treta Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treta_Yuga , the Dvapara Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvapara_Yuga , and finally the Kali Yuga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga . According to Hindu cosmology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology , life in the universe is created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-0 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-1 which is one full day (day and night) for Brahma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma . The lifetime of a Brahma himself may be 311 trillion and 40 Billion years.[1] http://veda.wikidot.com/srishti-and-pralaya The cycles are said to repeat like the seasons, waxing and waning within a greater time-cycle of the creation and destruction of the universe. Like Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each yuga involves stages or gradual changes which the earth and the consciousness of mankind goes through as a whole. A complete yuga cycle from a high Golden Age http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age of enlightenment to a Dark Age and back again is said to be caused by the solar system's motion around another star. According to the Laws of Manu, one of the earliest known texts describing the yugas, the length is 4800 years + 3600 years + 2400 years + 1200 years for a total of 12,000 years for one arc, or 24,000 years to complete the cycle (one precession of the equinox). There is no mention of a year of the demigods or any year longer than the solar year, which is consistent with description in The Holy Science.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-holy-2 However, the more recent and popular interpretation from the Srimad Bhagavatam states the following: The duration of the Satya millennium equals 4,800 years of the years of the demigods http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_%28Hinduism%29 ; the duration of the DvÄpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of the Kali millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods... As aforementioned, one year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years. The duration of the TretÄ-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years. The duration of the DvÄpara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years. And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 x 360, or 432,000 years. (ÅrÄ«mad BhÄgavatam 3.11.19) [2] http://vedabase.net/sb/3/11/19/ . These 4 yugas follow a timeline ratio of (4:3:2:1). [4 yugas.PNG] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4_yugas.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-holy-2 The ages see a gradual decline of dharma, wisdom, knowledge, intellectual capability, life span, emotional and physical strength. * Satya Yuga:- Virtue reigns supreme. Human stature was 21 cubits. Average human lifespan was
[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: The fact that you and others are trying to discuss it shows that we are still in the Kali Yuga..:-), but seriously there are other god-realized Gurus that do believe this is Kali Yuga and its hard for me personally to think otherwise or agree with Sri Yukteshwar. Who really knows, who COULD really know except a God Realized Saint? My point is who ya gonna believe? (For Turq: yes, the ultimate 'proof' of anything is direct experience and then only YOU can prove it to yourself, not anyone else). I think the weight of the argument has to consider the character of the proponent of that knowledge, in TM it apparently all comes from books, which are good, though secondary to intuition (direct cognition). The ancient scriptures the tmorg uses may have been God inspired at some point, but who knows how reliable they are today? And they are, of course subject to human interpretation/error just like the Bible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: The only problem with this widespread presentation of the yugas is that they are more the result of early colonial translations than by the pundits who were aware of how they were to be interpreted. Each of these needs to be further divided into 71.42. This puts these more into human terms: According to the traditional Indian calendar, which is still in use, the Kali Yuga commenced in 3012 B.C. If we accept this date for the beginning of Kali Yuga, the following cal-endar results: Dawn of KritaYuga 58,042 B.C. Beginning of Krita Yuga 56,026 B.C. Beginning of Twilight 35,864 B.C. Dawn of Treta Yuga33, 848 B.C. Beginning of Treta Yuga 32,336 B.C. Beginning of Twilight 17,215 B.C. Dawn of Dvapara Yuga 15,703 B.C. Beginning of Dvapara Yuga 14,695 B.C. Beginning of Twilight 4,614 B.C. Dawn of Kali Yuga 3,606 B.C. Kali Yuga 3,102 B.C. Middle of Kali Yuga 582 B.C. Beginning of Twilight A.D. 1,939 End of Twilight of Kali Yuga A.D. 2,442 The twilight of the Kali Yuga therefore would have started in 1939, in the month of May. The final catastrophe will take place during this twilight. The last traces of this present humankind will have disappeared in 2442. The figures, as we have seen, are accurate to within fifty years. Using these dates as a starting point and going back, we find that the first manifestation of humanity came forth in 419,964 B.C., the second in 359,477 B.C., the third in 298,990 B.C., the fourth in 238,503 B.C., the fifth in 178,016 B.C., the sixth in 118,529 B.C. and the seventh in 58,042 B.C. The beginning of the present human cycle, the seventh, in 58,042 B.C., seems to correspond to the appearance of what we call Homo sapiens or Cro-Magnon man. The species that preceded this is probably that to which we give the name Neanderthal, whose brain capacity (1400 cm^3) was markedly superior to ours, which varies between 1,200 cm^3 (Nordic males) and 650 cm^3 (Polynesian females); according to anthropological treatises, Neanderthal man probably dates back to 118,000 B.C. The first period, the Krita Yuga, is the age of accomplishment and wisdom (corresponding to the Golden Age of Hesiod). Including its dawn and twilight, it lasts 24,195 years. Next comes the Treta Yuga, the age of the three ritual fires, the age of rites but also of the hearth, that is, of sedentary, agricultural, and urban civilization. Its duration, counting the dawn and twilight, is 18,146 years in all. The third age, the Dvapara Yuga or age of doubt sees the birth of the anti-establishment religions and philosophies. Man loses the sense of the divine reality of the world and grows away from natural law. The Dvapara Yuga lasts 10,081 years, and its dawn and twilight last 1,008 years each, a total of 12,097 years. Finally comes the fourth age or age of conflict, the Kali Yuga. It lasts 5,040 years, and its dawn and twilight each last 504 years, totaling 6,048 years. It will end with the nearly total destruction of the present humanity. I have no way of knowing whether this has any validity - altho I would certianly like to believe in some sort of structure to things and that some humans at some time ahd the wisdom to grok it all. But the prediction that hunaity will almost die out in 2442 sounds fairly liekly given my favorite woryy - global warming and climate change. Unless, of course, science really pulls it together and can counteract all the damage. Even so, maybe something else is seen in these calendars that will result in the wipeout - like an asteroid or some other disaster we did not even cause. Vaj, do you tend to believe this calendar? I know you like Danielou. The word Treta, triad, refers to the three ritual fires. Dvapara can mean after the two, but more especially doubt or uncertainty. Kali (two short syllables), which means quarrel or conflict, bears no relationship to Kali (long syllables), which is the name of the goddess, of the power of time and of death. - from Danielou and his teacher, who was the leading student of SBS. On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:11 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Yuga (DevanÃÂgari: à ¤¯à ¥Âà ¤â) in Hindu philosophy is the name of an 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are the Krita Yuga, the Treta Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga, and finally the Kali Yuga. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,[1][2] which is one full day (day and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga
On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:56 PM, wayback71 wrote: I have no way of knowing whether this has any validity - altho I would certianly like to believe in some sort of structure to things and that some humans at some time ahd the wisdom to grok it all. But the prediction that hunaity will almost die out in 2442 sounds fairly liekly given my favorite woryy - global warming and climate change. Unless, of course, science really pulls it together and can counteract all the damage. Even so, maybe something else is seen in these calendars that will result in the wipeout - like an asteroid or some other disaster we did not even cause. Vaj, do you tend to believe this calendar? I know you like Danielou. I'm trusting in this case that Danielou got it right, either through his extensive contacts with other scholars-pundits and/or via Swami Karpatri (his guru)--the guy who was offered the Shankaracharya of the north before Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. They also seem to jive with the chronology of my Patanjali guru, who is a pundit-yogi in the Shank./Rig Veda trad. Knowledge didn't come easy for Danielou. After all we have a gay man, living with his lover, in a mansion in Benares; applying to be a shishya under a Brahmin who considers all westerners to be untouchables! Karpatri was radically a right-wing, nationalist Hindutva supporter, right down to maintaining caste distinctions and all their various rules and regs.
