[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirit and Soul?

[dgulh...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

My posts are based on talks by the late Kireet Joshi who speaks from his own 
experience and the study of works by Sri Aurobindo, a yogi who lived between 
1872-1950. These writings are a veritable treasure trove.
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/tracks.php?id=rebirth-and-other-worlds
 
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/tracks.php?id=rebirth-and-other-worlds

The word centration has to be understood properly. An individual is a centre of 
divine consciousness. If the egoistic personality is the centre of a circle 
with a limited circumference, the true individual (soul) is a centre with 
flexible bounderies. Such a circle can enlarge itself to be universal.

That is the true import of centration. This centre radiates divine 
consciousness, and while being individual does not see itself as separate from 
other centres.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Gulati, these are interesting (spiritual) papers.  Are they academic writing 
or also of your own direct inner experience? Just wondering.  
 

 Long-term Meditators here in Fairfield, Iowa on the Invincible America 
Assembly Course meditating in the Domes, some for many years, give expressions 
that are more direct discernment about their inner experience this way, like 
the definitions and assertions in your paper though the nomenclature of their 
experience is not as strictly technical Sanskrit/hinduistic as you lay out.
 

 I am appreciating your employing ‘centration’ as a descriptive device instead 
of, ‘concentration’.
 

 As to your speculations about souls as resident in the human being, my wife 
trained as a nurse has been with hundreds of people as they have transitioned 
from earthly life, and with a number of great souls. Trained in modern 
physiology as a nurse and also spiritually cultivated in her own right 
intuitively, the transition of the soul as a ‘light-body’ out of the vessel of 
the body has a reality to it for her to see and work with in vigil as a nurse.
 

 Based on your writings you would likely be interested to talk with her 
sometime as to her experience with it. She has given talks about the 
‘incarnational implication’ of death in life from her insight with it..  
“People die as the live.”  You likely would appreciate how she speaks from her 
experience with it..  
https://sites.google.com/site/jenniferhamiltonchakrapracik/ 
https://sites.google.com/site/jenniferhamiltonchakrapracik/
 

 

 

 

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 devindersingh gulati writes:
 

 First of all, in regard to the composition of the soul itself, there is a 
speciality which must be understood. The composition of earthly consciousness 
always consists of the physical, vital and mental energy. The consciousness 
upon which the ego concentrates and revolves around, that formation over which 
the ego sense is concentrated consists always of the physical, vital and mental 
energies. So there is a formation of physical, vital and mental energy over 
which a sense ‘I am’ is constantly vibrating. And this ‘I am’ is a sense also 
consisting of mental energy. So you might say mental energy vibrating over 
mental energy with a specific colour of it which says I am, I am, I am. This is 
constantly held by memory. 
 As opposed to this formation the soul does not get composed of the physical, 
vital and mental energies. This is the first distinction. It is different from 
physical, vital and mental energies. If you use the Sanskrit word for physical, 
vital and mental energies it is Prakriti, because that is what ultimately 
Prakriti means. It means energy of movement and energy as manifested today is 
the energy of physical, mental, and vital, threefold energy �”� the physical in 
which tamas is predominant, vital in which rajas is predominant and mental in 
which sattva is predominant, it is called Trigunatmak Prakriti.
 The first distinction of the soul is that it is not composed of this threefold 
energy. Secondly, the soul here is a delegate of the jivatman. Being a delegate 
of the jivatman, it has the qualities of the jivatman. If it does not consist 
of physical, vital and mental energies what is it composed of? Being the 
delegate of the jivatman, it has the composition of the jivatman.
 The composition of jivatman is a centration, a specificity of the Supreme Lord 
Himself. Mamaeva amsha – is the description given in the Gita. The jivatman is 
Mamaeva amsha. It is my portion, my centration, not part because the Lord 
cannot be divisible. This jivatman is the madhvadaha of the Kathopnishad, the 
eater of honey. This jivatman is the centration of the Supreme Lord Himself 
which vibrates with, which is composed of, the energies of Satchitananda 
Himself. Its vibrations, its energies are energies of Satchitananda, which are 
all manifesting through Truth. So you might say Truth Energy. It is composed of 
not physical, vital and mental energies, but Truth Energies. Truth Energy 
consists of Satchitananda. It is itself the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirit and Soul? [1 Attachment]

[devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It has been affirmed by Sri Aurobindo that,in fact, life, mind and supermind 
are present inthe atom, are at work there, but invisible, occultand latent in a 
subconscious or apparentunconscious action of energy. The electron andthe atom 
are in this view eternalsomnambulists. In the plant the outer formconsciousness 
is still in a state of sleep, alwayson the point of waking, but never 
waking.Animal being is mentally aware of existence,its own and others, it has 
even a practicalintelligence, founded on memory, association,stimulating need, 
observation, a power of device.The animal prepares human intelligence. Butwhen 
we come to man, we see the whole thingbecoming conscious. Man not only turns 
hisgaze downward and around him, but alsoupward towards what is about him and 
inwardtowards what is occult within him. To climb tohigher altitudes, to get a 
greater scope, totransform his lower nature, this is always anatural impulse of 
man as soon as he has madehis place for himself in the physical and vital 
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world of the earth and has a little leisure toconsider his further 
possibilities. He is capable,unlike other terrestrial creatures, of 
becomingaware of what is deeper than mind, of the soulwithin him, and of what 
is above the mind, ofsupermind, of spirit, capable of opening to it,admitting 
it, rising towards it, taking hold of it.It is in his human nature, in all 
human nature,to exceed itself by conscious evolution, to climbbeyond what he 
is. And where is the limit ofeffectuation in the evolutionary being’s 
self-becoming by self-exceeding? 
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/images/philosophy-of-evolution.pdf
 Gulati 

On Tuesday, 4 April 2017 1:10 PM, shirish dave  wrote:
 

 NO LIVING THING CAN BE PRODUCED FROM NON-LIVING THINGS, UNLESS WE TAKE EVERY 
THING AS LIVING THING.
ALL MOLECULES AND ATOMS ARE LIVING THING. THE SCINCE WILL SAY IN DUE COURSE 
THAT HOW THEY FEEL THEIR EXISTENCE.
AT PRESENT THE SCIENCE HAS NOT REACHED TO THAT STAGE, AS TO HOW ANIMALS, 
INSECTS, WORMS  ETC FEEL THEIR EXISTENCE. HOW COULD THEY SAY ABOUT THE 
FEELING OF ATOMIC AND SUB ATOMIC PARTICLES?
IF WE DIFFERENTIATE LIVING AND NON-LIVING TAKE THEM MADE OF DIFFERENT 
FUNDAMENTAL ENTITIES, THEN THE THEORY OF UNIFIED FIELD OF EISTEIN AND THE 
UNIFIED THEORY OF ENTITY (ADWAIT) COLLAPSES. ONE MUST KNOW THAT THERE ARE 22+4 
DIMENSIONS PERPANDICULAR TO EACH OTHERS. THE HUMAN BRAIN CAN FEEL ONLY FOUR 
DIMENSIONS. WE DO NOT KNOW HOW THE OTHERS FEEL.
RELIGIOUS BOOKS MAY TELL ANYTHING WITH OUT DEFINING THE TERMINOLOGY AND LOGIC. 
WE CANNOT TAKE IT THEIR CONCLUSIONS FOR GRANTED.
NOTHING CAN BE MADE FROM NOTHING EVEN BY THE GOD.  


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[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirit and Soul? [1 Attachment]

[devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 First of all, in regard to the composition of the soul itself, there is a 
speciality which must be understood. The composition of earthly consciousness 
always consists of the physical, vital and mental energy. The consciousness 
upon which the ego concentrates and revolves around, that formation over which 
the ego sense is concentrated consists always of the physical, vital and mental 
energies. So there is a formation of physical, vital and mental energy over 
which a sense ‘I am’ is constantly vibrating. And this ‘I am’ is a sense also 
consisting of mental energy. So you might say mental energy vibrating over 
mental energy with a specific colour of it which says I am, I am, I am. This is 
constantly held by memory. 
As opposed to this formation the soul does not get composed of the physical, 
vital and mental energies. This is the first distinction. It is different from 
physical, vital and mental energies. If you use the Sanskrit word for physical, 
vital and mental energies it is Prakriti, because that is what ultimately 
Prakriti means. It means energy of movement and energy as manifested today is 
the energy of physical, mental, and vital, threefold energy �”� the physical in 
which tamas is predominant, vital in which rajas is predominant and mental in 
which sattva is predominant, it is called Trigunatmak Prakriti.The first 
distinction of the soul is that it is not composed of this threefold energy. 
Secondly, the soul here is a delegate of the jivatman. Being a delegate of the 
jivatman, it has the qualities of the jivatman. If it does not consist of 
physical, vital and mental energies what is it composed of? Being the delegate 
of the jivatman, it has the composition of the jivatman.The composition of 
jivatman is a centration, a specificity of the Supreme Lord Himself. Mamaeva 
amsha – is the description given in the Gita. The jivatman is Mamaeva amsha. It 
is my portion, my centration, not part because the Lord cannot be divisible. 
This jivatman is the madhvadaha of the Kathopnishad, the eater of honey. This 
jivatman is the centration of the Supreme Lord Himself which vibrates with, 
which is composed of, the energies of Satchitananda Himself. Its vibrations, 
its energies are energies of Satchitananda, which are all manifesting through 
Truth. So you might say Truth Energy. It is composed of not physical, vital and 
mental energies, but Truth Energies. Truth Energy consists of Satchitananda. It 
is itself the centration of Satchitananda. This soul is a delegate of this 
jivatman so it has all the elements of the jivatman. This is the composition.In 
other words this is a composition of the Supreme Lord and Para Prakriti as per 
the Gita. Ego is the formation of Prakriti. It is also called Apara Prakriti, 
lower Prakriti distinguished from Para Prakriti. The composition of the ego is 
that of Apara Prakriti. Composition of the soul which is the delegate of the 
jivatman is that of Para Prakriti which is Truth Energy and which is centration 
of the Divine Himself, it is energy and centration. This centration is 
specific, sustained by the Divine permanently, eternally.This specificity is 
distinguishable from all other specificities, my soul, your soul, her soul; 
each one is distinguished from the other. Each one is a centration of the 
Divine. For each one is distinct from the other. In that distinctness each one 
is independent of the other. But it is entirely inseparable from the Supreme 
Lord because it is a centration of the Lord. In other words, each soul or each 
jivatman knows itself to be independent of all the rest only in regard to its 
distinctness from the others. But not in the sense that it is independent as 
separate from all the others; distinct from others yes, but not separate from 
all the others. This is a subtle distinction which is to be made. Being 
inseparable from the Supreme Lord it knows it is entirely dependent upon the 
Supreme Lord and it does not fall into a mistake of thinking that it is 
independent of all the rest. Therefore the individuality consists of its 
distinctness from the others, inseparability from the Supreme and from the Para 
Prakriti and that it is eternal and inextinguishable because the Supreme is 
inextinguishable. Its formation of body, life and mind are constantly mutable, 
therefore they are extinguishable but the soul which is a delegate of the 
jivatman and the jivatman being the eternal centration of the Divine, is 
inextinguishable. Therefore, while the ego and egoistic formation is mutable 
and extinguishable, the soul is inextinguishable. Jivatman himself with all his 
consciousness, if it descends completely into the human body as it is with all 
its fullness of knowledge, then the kind of play that is to be played cannot be 
played because it will all the time be conscious and the gradual evolution 
which is to take place will not take place.  
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?id=476
 Gulati