Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY's Adwaita
Richard, or it might be like a Rumi poem! Happy New Year: Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about. Ideas, language - even the phrase each other - do not make any sense. On Monday, December 30, 2013 9:49 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Meaning, unless one's words have a huge amount of shakti, it's pointless to tell a person in duality that it's all one. Share, It' s like a Zen koan: Wind flag, mind moves, The same understanding. When the mouth opens All are wrong. - Mumon On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, my pastoral counselor and her husband really like Wayne Liquorman. I think Rick has interviewed him. I like Francis Lucille and advaita in general. I think the operative principle in all this is knowledge is structured in consciousness. Meaning, unless one's words have a huge amount of shakti, it's pointless to tell a person in duality that it's all one. That simply creates cognitive dissonance. OTOH, I have been experiencing that big T Truth can move mountains. Of stress that is! (-: On Monday, December 30, 2013 8:38 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: First came One. It's a leap of metaphysical theorizing to imagine that there is more than One real. Let's be logical: If there were three or more reals instead of One, there would be three or more truths, three or more ultimate realities, and three or more Selfs. But, what do you suppose would cause a person to think there are three are more reals instead of only One? If there were three or more reals, then a person would have three or more soul-monads, instead of just One Soul. If so, then how would you know your Self? Which one would it be - Self number one, Self number two or Self number three, or more Selfs than you could count. That would be confusing if you didn't know which Self you were. You might want to eat, but the other Self might get the food, then Self number one would go about as a hungry ghost. In fact, there is only One truth, the one you really are, your Self. All three other selfs are just an appearance only. Do we agree so far? In fact, the only reason anyone would think there are three or more reals would be if they were told it by someone or they read about it somewhere. People don't usually go about imagining that they are three people - it's not natural and not given in experience. Actually, to imagine that you are three people is abnormal, and this abnormal view is usually gained through intellectual theorizing. Most people don't naturally feel that they have three heads and six arms. So, just give up this idea that you are three persons, give up the idea of I and mine and just do your duty - by your Self. Real renunciation is the giving up of I and mine, not the mere abandoning of duties. - Dattatreya Upanishad Nagarjuna's Law of the Excluded Middle: In reality all phenomena are empty of 'own nature'. There is no 'essence' of things. Things and events and objects have no intrinsic reality apart from conditions. There is dependent origination but no causation - things do not arise from causes; things and events are not created or destroyed; there is no movement. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. All truth statements are conventional. Change is impossible; things do not move and one thing does not become another thing. Suffering, actions, bodies, doers, and results are all unreal. Time is unreal because present and future are all relative. The Seven States of Consciousness are also unreal. There is neither suffering nor its causation nor a path to its cessation. The three gunas are unreal and there is neither the movement, nor the technique, nor the MMY. Birth, death, suffering and Nirvana itself is an illusion too. Antinomies, dialectics and the four-cornered negation: Sankara and his followers, like Nagarjuna and his followers, say that none of the four forms is applicable to the phenomenal world or any of its objects absolutely, because the phenomenal world is a world of relativity. Not this, That, and neither - Wallah Sutra 1.6. According to Gaudapadacharya, there is One only. There is no creation; no destruction; no coming to be, and no ceasing to be. Things do not change, neither do they move about or stay the same. Things and events are an illusion, not real, yet not unreal. The Transcendental Consciousness is the only Reality. Liberation is the way to avoid the results of actions and to be free. Adwaita In a nutshell: According to Liquorman, writing on Adwaita, there are three issues that must be understood in order to understand Adwaita: The realization that there are *not two*, the realization that things and events are an *illusion*, and the *dispelling of illusion* by process of
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY's Adwaita
Richard, my pastoral counselor and her husband really like Wayne Liquorman. I think Rick has interviewed him. I like Francis Lucille and advaita in general. I think the operative principle in all this is knowledge is structured in consciousness. Meaning, unless one's words have a huge amount of shakti, it's pointless to tell a person in duality that it's all one. That simply creates cognitive dissonance. OTOH, I have been experiencing that big T Truth can move mountains. Of stress that is! (-: On Monday, December 30, 2013 8:38 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: First came One. It's a leap of metaphysical theorizing to imagine that there is more than One real. Let's be logical: If there were three or more reals instead of One, there would be three or more truths, three or more ultimate realities, and three or more Selfs. But, what do you suppose would cause a person to think there are three are more reals instead of only One? If there were three or more reals, then a person would have three or more soul-monads, instead of just One Soul. If so, then how would you know your Self? Which one would it be - Self number one, Self number two or Self number three, or more Selfs than you could count. That would be confusing if you didn't know which Self you were. You might want to eat, but the other Self might get the food, then Self number one would go about as a hungry ghost. In fact, there is only One truth, the one you really are, your Self. All three other selfs are just an appearance only. Do we agree so far? In fact, the only reason anyone would think there are three or more reals would be if they were told it by someone or they read about it somewhere. People don't usually go about imagining that they are three people - it's not natural and not given in experience. Actually, to imagine that you are three people is abnormal, and this abnormal view is usually gained through intellectual theorizing. Most people don't naturally feel that they have three heads and six arms. So, just give up this idea that you are three persons, give up the idea of I and mine and just do your duty - by your Self. Real renunciation is the giving up of I and mine, not the mere abandoning of duties. - Dattatreya Upanishad Nagarjuna's Law of the Excluded Middle: In reality all phenomena are empty of 'own nature'. There is no 'essence' of things. Things and events and objects have no intrinsic reality apart from conditions. There is dependent origination but no causation - things do not arise from causes; things and events are not created or destroyed; there is no movement. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. All truth statements are conventional. Change is impossible; things do not move and one thing does not become another thing. Suffering, actions, bodies, doers, and results are all unreal. Time is unreal because present and future are all relative. The Seven States of Consciousness are also unreal. There is neither suffering nor its causation nor a path to its cessation. The three gunas are unreal and there is neither the movement, nor the technique, nor the MMY. Birth, death, suffering and Nirvana itself is an illusion too. Antinomies, dialectics and the four-cornered negation: Sankara and his followers, like Nagarjuna and his followers, say that none of the four forms is applicable to the phenomenal world or any of its objects absolutely, because the phenomenal world is a world of relativity. Not this, That, and neither - Wallah Sutra 1.6. According to Gaudapadacharya, there is One only. There is no creation; no destruction; no coming to be, and no ceasing to be. Things do not change, neither do they move about or stay the same. Things and events are an illusion, not real, yet not unreal. The Transcendental Consciousness is the only Reality. Liberation is the way to avoid the results of actions and to be free. Adwaita In a nutshell: According to Liquorman, writing on Adwaita, there are three issues that must be understood in order to understand Adwaita: The realization that there are *not two*, the realization that things and events are an *illusion*, and the *dispelling of illusion* by process of experiential pure consciousness. The metaphor of a burning firebrand that is waved in a circle, which creates an illusion of a continuous circle of fire has been used to describe the non-dual realization, which when experienced in reality, becomes just a series of point-instants of perception. Works cited:: 'Consciousness Speaks' Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar by Ramesh S. Balsekar and Wayne Liquorman Advaita Press, 1992 'The Book of One: The Spiritual Path of Advaita' by Dennis Waite O Books, 2004 'Dispelling Illusion' Gaudapada's Alatasanti Douglas A. Fox State University of New York Press, 1993
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY's Adwaita
Meaning, unless one's words have a huge amount of shakti, it's pointless to tell a person in duality that it's all one. Share, It' s like a Zen koan: Wind flag, mind moves, The same understanding. When the mouth opens All are wrong. - Mumon On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, my pastoral counselor and her husband really like Wayne Liquorman. I think Rick has interviewed him. I like Francis Lucille and advaita in general. I think the operative principle in all this is knowledge is structured in consciousness. Meaning, unless one's words have a huge amount of shakti, it's pointless to tell a person in duality that it's all one. That simply creates cognitive dissonance. OTOH, I have been experiencing that big T Truth can move mountains. Of stress that is! (-: On Monday, December 30, 2013 8:38 AM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: First came One. It's a leap of metaphysical theorizing to imagine that there is more than One real. Let's be logical: If there were three or more reals instead of One, there would be three or more truths, three or more ultimate realities, and three or more Selfs. But, what do you suppose would cause a person to think there are three are more reals instead of only One? If there were three or more reals, then a person would have three or more soul-monads, instead of just One Soul. If so, then how would you know your Self? Which one would it be - Self number one, Self number two or Self number three, or more Selfs than you could count. That would be confusing if you didn't know which Self you were. You might want to eat, but the other Self might get the food, then Self number one would go about as a hungry ghost. In fact, there is only One truth, the one you really are, your Self. All three other selfs are just an appearance only. Do we agree so far? In fact, the only reason anyone would think there are three or more reals would be if they were told it by someone or they read about it somewhere. People don't usually go about imagining that they are three people - it's not natural and not given in experience. Actually, to imagine that you are three people is abnormal, and this abnormal view is usually gained through intellectual theorizing. Most people don't naturally feel that they have three heads and six arms. So, just give up this idea that you are three persons, give up the idea of I and mine and just do your duty - by your Self. Real renunciation is the giving up of I and mine, not the mere abandoning of duties. - Dattatreya Upanishad Nagarjuna's Law of the Excluded Middle: In reality all phenomena are empty of 'own nature'. There is no 'essence' of things. Things and events and objects have no intrinsic reality apart from conditions. There is dependent origination but no causation - things do not arise from causes; things and events are not created or destroyed; there is no movement. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. All truth statements are conventional. Change is impossible; things do not move and one thing does not become another thing. Suffering, actions, bodies, doers, and results are all unreal. Time is unreal because present and future are all relative. The Seven States of Consciousness are also unreal. There is neither suffering nor its causation nor a path to its cessation. The three gunas are unreal and there is neither the movement, nor the technique, nor the MMY. Birth, death, suffering and Nirvana itself is an illusion too. Antinomies, dialectics and the four-cornered negation: Sankara and his followers, like Nagarjuna and his followers, say that none of the four forms is applicable to the phenomenal world or any of its objects absolutely, because the phenomenal world is a world of relativity. Not this, That, and neither - Wallah Sutra 1.6. According to Gaudapadacharya, there is One only. There is no creation; no destruction; no coming to be, and no ceasing to be. Things do not change, neither do they move about or stay the same. Things and events are an illusion, not real, yet not unreal. The Transcendental Consciousness is the only Reality. Liberation is the way to avoid the results of actions and to be free. Adwaita In a nutshell: According to Liquorman, writing on Adwaita, there are three issues that must be understood in order to understand Adwaita: The realization that there are *not two*, the realization that things and events are an *illusion*, and the *dispelling of illusion* by process of experiential pure consciousness. The metaphor of a burning firebrand that is waved in a circle, which creates an illusion of a continuous circle of fire has been used to describe the non-dual realization, which when experienced in reality, becomes just a series of point-instants of perception. Works cited:: 'Consciousness Speaks' Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar by Ramesh S. Balsekar and Wayne
