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Just as a supplement here, pictures of the Shri Yantra Temple in Amarkantak, which is built as a 3 dimensional Shriyantra Mount Meru. It wasn't there yet at GD's time, in fact it was still being constructed when I was there, but it is reminiscent of the spirit of the place. There is of course a two dimensional Shri Yantra in the main temple which contains the source of the Narmada. There is another Shankaracharya temple, which displays the Dasa Mahavidyas, the 10 majors forms of the Divine Mother, which was initiated by the Shankaracharya of Dwaraka, Swaroopananda Saraswati http://jagadgurushankaracharya.org/, not our guy, but nevertheless a direct disciple of GD. So he would know about the worship of Devi's and yantras. http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photography-mystic-shri-yantra-temple-image11087077 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richie wrote Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? The crucial word here is IF, Richard, as scholars agree that he never wrote it. But there is no doubt of the fact that Shri Vidya found entry into the Dasanami sampradaya in South India, where Gurudevs teacher came from. IMHO it is more likely, that GD would utilize the mantra of Tripura Sundari rather than that of Sharada. This is what worshippers of the Shri Yantra usually do. I saw a beautiful Shri Yantra at the temple at the origin of the Narmada river in Amarkanthak, where GD spend about 30 years roaming the forests. Like all holy rivers, the Narmada is seen as a manifestation of the Goddess, and Paul Mason put a beautiful song of GD's voice praising the Narmada goddess. Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras are of Durga and Kali or Krishna. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva? Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric tradtion? It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Scholars? Do you think the Saraswati danadi sannyasins give a crap what 'scholars' have to say about their Shakti tradition? The fact is, all the Saraswati dandi sannyasins ascribe the Ananda Lahari to Pushpadanta and the Sounda to the Adi Shankara, a hymn of praise to Saraswati. According to the Shankaracharya tradition Goudapada, the teacher of Shankar's teacher, had memorized the Ananda Lahari and passed it on to to the Adi. It is also a fact that the Saraswati dandi sannyasins all meditate on the Saraswati bija and that the origin of this bija usage is ascribed to the Adi's guru, Govinda Bhagavadpada. Though disputed by somemost in the Shankaracharya tradition practice samaya sri vidya and accept that he wrote several tantric texts including Saundaryalahari, etc, etc. - James Duffy Read more: Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya From: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 28, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/2drn7gp On 10/8/2013 8:25 AM, iranitea wrote: Richie wrote Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? The crucial word here is IF, Richard, as scholars agree that he never wrote it. But there is no doubt of the fact that Shri Vidya found entry into the Dasanami sampradaya in South India, where Gurudevs teacher came from. IMHO it is more likely, that GD would utilize the mantra of Tripura Sundari rather than that of Sharada. This is what worshippers of the Shri Yantra usually do. I saw a beautiful Shri Yantra at the temple at the origin of the Narmada river in Amarkanthak, where GD spend about 30 years roaming the forests. Like all holy rivers, the Narmada is seen as a manifestation of the Goddess, and Paul Mason put a beautiful song of GD's voice praising the Narmada goddess. Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras are of Durga and Kali or Krishna. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva? Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric tradtion? It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras are of Durga and Kali or Krishna. The advanced technique, however, is a Saraswati mantra (unless they changed the procedure later on which I've read allusions too). That is known to be a mantra for reducing pitta which means if you are kapha you might have a tendency to fall asleep during meditation and put on weight! :-D I've often thought that the bijas were discovered as early man mimiced bird calls and then just noticed effects just thinking them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
that's an interesting theory - I'd like to see the bird that has a call of Shri Shri Aing Namah Namah! On Wed, 10/9/13, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 4:32 PM Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras are of Durga and Kali or Krishna. The advanced technique, however, is a Saraswati mantra (unless they changed the procedure later on which I've read allusions too). That is known to be a mantra for reducing pitta which means if you are kapha you might have a tendency to fall asleep during meditation and put on weight! :-D I've often thought that the bijas were discovered as early man mimiced bird calls and then just noticed effects just thinking them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Aing is the bija. The advanced technique is a long form mantra with extra samput added. On 10/09/2013 10:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: that's an interesting theory - I'd like to see the bird that has a call of Shri Shri Aing Namah Namah! On Wed, 10/9/13, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013, 4:32 PM Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras are of Durga and Kali or Krishna. The advanced technique, however, is a Saraswati mantra (unless they changed the procedure later on which I've read allusions too). That is known to be a mantra for reducing pitta which means if you are kapha you might have a tendency to fall asleep during meditation and put on weight! :-D I've often thought that the bijas were discovered as early man mimiced bird calls and then just noticed effects just thinking them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Most all of the Saraswati dandi sannyayins meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. This bija is enumerated in their scripture, the Sound Arya Lahari. You get the bija from your guru when you get initiated into the Saraswati dasanami. All the members of the Saraswati sect meditate on this bija at least twice a day. So, since the TM bija mantras came from the Adi Shankara, passed down through Shantanand Saraswati, and are included in the supreme scripture, we can thus conclude that the Mahesh Yogi got the TM bija mantras from his Master, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. James Duffy and Billy Smith both seem to agree with this. Saraswati is said to have been one of those ...rare siddhas (accomplished ones) who had the knowledge of Sri Vidya. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmananda_Saraswati On 10/9/2013 11:32 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras are of Durga and Kali or Krishna. The advanced technique, however, is a Saraswati mantra (unless they changed the procedure later on which I've read allusions too). That is known to be a mantra for reducing pitta which means if you are kapha you might have a tendency to fall asleep during meditation and put on weight! :-D I've often thought that the bijas were discovered as early man mimiced bird calls and then just noticed effects just thinking them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva? Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric tradtion? It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
The origins of the bija mantras are lost in antiquity. You're making up myths if you think SBS discovered them. I've referenced Woodroffe's Garland of Letters which was published in 1922 as one example. It's also believed he didn't write those books but were written by an Indian friend of his who was a tantric. http://www.scribd.com/doc/3009647/Woodroffe-The-Garland-of-Letters On 10/08/2013 06:10 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva? Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric tradtion? It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
Richie wrote Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? The crucial word here is IF, Richard, as scholars agree that he never wrote it. But there is no doubt of the fact that Shri Vidya found entry into the Dasanami sampradaya in South India, where Gurudevs teacher came from. IMHO it is more likely, that GD would utilize the mantra of Tripura Sundari rather than that of Sharada. This is what worshippers of the Shri Yantra usually do. I saw a beautiful Shri Yantra at the temple at the origin of the Narmada river in Amarkanthak, where GD spend about 30 years roaming the forests. Like all holy rivers, the Narmada is seen as a manifestation of the Goddess, and Paul Mason put a beautiful song of GD's voice praising the Narmada goddess. Also, not all Dasanami monks meditate on the bijas of Saraswathi, not twice a day, some do not meditate at all, and not all of TM mantras are bijas of Saraswathi, only those of the student age. The first mantras Maharishi taught in the west were in fact Ram mantras. Shree is typical Lakshmi, other mantras are of Durga and Kali or Krishna. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, it looks like Barry 2 is thinking the bija mantras have been around for ages. Does that men he thinks the bijas are eternal and came into the minds of the rishis spontaneously by the grace of Lord Shiva? Or, did the bija mantras have a human origin and were passed down from guru to chela in a long unbroken line leading back to the maha siddhas of the tantric tradtion? It has now been established that at least two of the most sacred bija-mantras, out of the fifteen, contained in the Sound Arya La Hari, are in fact, TM bija-mantras. Now, if the Adi Shankara wrote the Sounda, then he must have included the fifteen bijas contained within, would he not? On 10/7/2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu wrote: On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY and Siddha Tradtions
On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, where did the meditation of SBS come from? Meditation is a technique that is common all over India, especially in the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a bija mantra of Saraswati. Let's review what we know about SBS. Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was born on Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to the city of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a student of Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi. http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html Are we agreed so far? So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage meditate on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri. According to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique used in TM originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation that is used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage. So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the dasanami order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi Shankara. The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't have to come from anyone.
