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why not focus on all the millions Marshy raised for creating all the pundit groups to save the world that never got created From: "rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 1:46 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Spiritual Practice If anyone knows of, any of the TM Rajas collecting money as Rajas for anything else other than educational reasons , it would be interesting to know. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I agree, but the difference in our point of view is that I know the rajas don't give a crap about spreading TM to achieve enlightenment for the world, they care about keeping their gravy train running, they care about recruiting the wealthy elite to put money in the rajas pockets - or at least this is the agenda of Girish, Bevan and the other leaders - some of the rajas may be dupes of the leadership. If you believe the leadership of the TMO really wants to enlighten the world, nothing they do makes sense. If you believe they are out for a cushy living with minimal effort of their own (other than talking a lot to rich people) then everything they do and have done falls into place. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Spiritual Practice Well the Raja elite are going to have to do something material to accommodate reality if they want to extend the teaching very far. Times are changed that may well challenge and compel a change in empathy if they want TM to be significant in culture and the larger marketplace again. What, nearly three quarters of college grads live at home after graduating now because they can't work in to paying jobs that pay a living and their debt? There's a reality to that. M missed the generation of the 1980's, 90's and 00's. What are the Raja elite going to really do to catch the millennials, this time? http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/08/19/changing-american-dream >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >It'll never happen D., Marshy himself made it an elitist movement for >millionaires and billionaires. > > > > > > > > From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 8:03 AM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Spiritual Practice > > > > > Yeah, a country-club drunk. Doc, great retort to the TM Raja elite who >posture on keeping the cost of learning TM above the working class just hoping >to catch that person who will pay the full upper-class price just because that >is what Maharishi wanted. It is time for the Boards of Trustees to get real >and once again foster a mass movement of meditators. Go back to a day's >working wages scale. Drop that mantra that people will not value it unless >they pay a lot for it. The rich people advocating that inside TM have killed >the movement for meditation. I can still hear Dimick and Norton saying that >line to Maharishi sand-bagging the movement. Those guys killed it and they >aren't even around meditating in the Domes anymore. They gone to the >mountains for themselves. It is time for change within. Go back to a day's >wage scale or a week's. Git it back to a working scale for the average retail >worker raising a family. >-Buck in the Dome > > > >http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/09/13/222063196/jobs-debt-and-home-prices-since-the-crisis-in-four-charts > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > You sound like a mean drunk. > > > > >>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>Well, what is "at cost?" >> >> >>TM costs $1500 max per person. The DLF teaches it for free. The scale ranges >>somewhere in between that for most people, and given that I've been doing TM >>for 40 years and been checked dozens of times over the years, I'd say that >>what *I* paid (about $35 in 1973) was certainly worth it. >> >> >>Is it worth $1500 to the average person? If they practice it for 50 years and >>get checked once per year, that's $30 per checking session. Is that worth it >>or not? >> >> >>And if they pay half that, than it's $15 per checking session. >> >> >>Etc. >> >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> >>When I leant TM I was in my "hippy phase", so out of work - ie, dropping out >>- ie, deliberately, consciously, voluntarily out of work. I
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> > I agree, but the difference in our point of view is > > that I know the rajas don't give a crap about spreading > > TM to achieve enlightenment for the world... > > rajawilliams: > If anyone knows of, any of the TM Rajas collecting money > as Rajas for anything else other than educational reasons, > it would be interesting to know. > You probably can't rely on the word of a disgruntled ex-TMO baker from 1986 to know much about what is going on with any rajas, teachers, or administration at MUM. Most of what the impostor writes has been shown to be just a bunch of racist remarks directed at poor Hindus.
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I agree, but the difference in our point of view is that I know the rajas don't give a crap about spreading TM to achieve enlightenment for the world, they care about keeping their gravy train running, they care about recruiting the wealthy elite to put money in the rajas pockets - or at least this is the agenda of Girish, Bevan and the other leaders - some of the rajas may be dupes of the leadership. If you believe the leadership of the TMO really wants to enlighten the world, nothing they do makes sense. If you believe they are out for a cushy living with minimal effort of their own (other than talking a lot to rich people) then everything they do and have done falls into place. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Spiritual Practice Well the Raja elite are going to have to do something material to accommodate reality if they want to extend the teaching very far. Times are changed that may well challenge and compel a change in empathy if they want TM to be significant in culture and the larger marketplace again. What, nearly three quarters of college grads live at home after graduating now because they can't work in to paying jobs that pay a living and their debt? There's a reality to that. M missed the generation of the 1980's, 90's and 00's. What are the Raja elite going to really do to catch the millennials, this time? http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/08/19/changing-american-dream --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: It'll never happen D., Marshy himself made it an elitist movement for millionaires and billionaires. From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 8:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Spiritual Practice Yeah, a country-club drunk. Doc, great retort to the TM Raja elite who posture on keeping the cost of learning TM above the working class just hoping to catch that person who will pay the full upper-class price just because that is what Maharishi wanted. It is time for the Boards of Trustees to get real and once again foster a mass movement of meditators. Go back to a day's working wages scale. Drop that mantra that people will not value it unless they pay a lot for it. The rich people advocating that inside TM have killed the movement for meditation. I can still hear Dimick and Norton saying that line to Maharishi sand-bagging the movement. Those guys killed it and they aren't even around meditating in the Domes anymore. They gone to the mountains for themselves. It is time for change within. Go back to a day's wage scale or a week's. Git it back to a working scale for the average retail worker raising a family. -Buck in the Dome http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/09/13/222063196/jobs-debt-and-home-prices-since-the-crisis-in-four-charts --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: You sound like a mean drunk. >--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >Well, what is "at cost?" > > >TM costs $1500 max per person. The DLF teaches it for free. The scale ranges >somewhere in between that for most people, and given that I've been doing TM >for 40 years and been checked dozens of times over the years, I'd say that >what *I* paid (about $35 in 1973) was certainly worth it. > > >Is it worth $1500 to the average person? If they practice it for 50 years and >get checked once per year, that's $30 per checking session. Is that worth it >or not? > > >And if they pay half that, than it's $15 per checking session. > > >Etc. > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >When I leant TM I was in my "hippy phase", so out of work - ie, dropping out - >ie, deliberately, consciously, voluntarily out of work. I can't recall now how >much it cost me but it must have been the equivalent of $30 at the most - >along with a white handkerchief and some fruit bought from a market stall. It >is without doubt the best $30 I ever spent and I'm grateful for the TMO to >have given me that opportunity to learn the technique so cheaply. Apparently, >Maharishi was afraid that those who learned TM for free or on the cheap would >not appreciate the value of his teaching and would reason that "free = >valueless" and give up after a short while. I'm obviously one of the >exceptions that proves the rule as I'm still meditating today. I wish the >Movement still offered to teach TM at "cost" to encourage others like myself >to take up the practice. > > >I think greed - and snobbery - spoilt
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It'll never happen D., Marshy himself made it an elitist movement for millionaires and billionaires. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 8:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Spiritual Practice Yeah, a country-club drunk. Doc, great retort to the TM Raja elite who posture on keeping the cost of learning TM above the working class just hoping to catch that person who will pay the full upper-class price just because that is what Maharishi wanted. It is time for the Boards of Trustees to get real and once again foster a mass movement of meditators. Go back to a day's working wages scale. Drop that mantra that people will not value it unless they pay a lot for it. The rich people advocating that inside TM have killed the movement for meditation. I can still hear Dimick and Norton saying that line to Maharishi sand-bagging the movement. Those guys killed it and they aren't even around meditating in the Domes anymore. They gone to the mountains for themselves. It is time for change within. Go back to a day's wage scale or a week's. Git it back to a working scale for the average retail worker raising a family. -Buck in the Dome http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/09/13/222063196/jobs-debt-and-home-prices-since-the-crisis-in-four-charts --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: You sound like a mean drunk. --- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Well, what is "at cost?" TM costs $1500 max per person. The DLF teaches it for free. The scale ranges somewhere in between that for most people, and given that I've been doing TM for 40 years and been checked dozens of times over the years, I'd say that what *I* paid (about $35 in 1973) was certainly worth it. Is it worth $1500 to the average person? If they practice it for 50 years and get checked once per year, that's $30 per checking session. Is that worth it or not? And if they pay half that, than it's $15 per checking session. Etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: When I leant TM I was in my "hippy phase", so out of work - ie, dropping out - ie, deliberately, consciously, voluntarily out of work. I can't recall now how much it cost me but it must have been the equivalent of $30 at the most - along with a white handkerchief and some fruit bought from a market stall. It is without doubt the best $30 I ever spent and I'm grateful for the TMO to have given me that opportunity to learn the technique so cheaply. Apparently, Maharishi was afraid that those who learned TM for free or on the cheap would not appreciate the value of his teaching and would reason that "free = valueless" and give up after a short while. I'm obviously one of the exceptions that proves the rule as I'm still meditating today. I wish the Movement still offered to teach TM at "cost" to encourage others like myself to take up the practice. I think greed - and snobbery - spoilt the original idealism that attracted so many to Maharishi's message. >>>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >>> >>> >>>From what I've read, the Turq must have given >>>Fred at least $100,000 for various purifications >>>to get rid of his inner demons. What is really amazing about this is that >>>the >>>Turq had already given the Marshy thousands of >>>dollars, including over $5,000 to learn yogic >>>flying. Go figure. >>> >>> >>>
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Two clubs I belonged to once upon a time: SIMS - Students International Meditation Society MMMS - Merry Marvel Marching Society Club I wish I had remained with: MMMS - It had more to offer by far http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB_v5w9NwUU From: "lengli...@cox.net" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 3:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Spiritual Practice Well, what is "at cost?" TM costs $1500 max per person. The DLF teaches it for free. The scale ranges somewhere in between that for most people, and given that I've been doing TM for 40 years and been checked dozens of times over the years, I'd say that what *I* paid (about $35 in 1973) was certainly worth it. Is it worth $1500 to the average person? If they practice it for 50 years and get checked once per year, that's $30 per checking session. Is that worth it or not? And if they pay half that, than it's $15 per checking session. Etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: When I leant TM I was in my "hippy phase", so out of work - ie, dropping out - ie, deliberately, consciously, voluntarily out of work. I can't recall now how much it cost me but it must have been the equivalent of $30 at the most - along with a white handkerchief and some fruit bought from a market stall. It is without doubt the best $30 I ever spent and I'm grateful for the TMO to have given me that opportunity to learn the technique so cheaply. Apparently, Maharishi was afraid that those who learned TM for free or on the cheap would not appreciate the value of his teaching and would reason that "free = valueless" and give up after a short while. I'm obviously one of the exceptions that proves the rule as I'm still meditating today. I wish the Movement still offered to teach TM at "cost" to encourage others like myself to take up the practice. I think greed - and snobbery - spoilt the original idealism that attracted so many to Maharishi's message. >--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > >From what I've read, the Turq must have given >Fred at least $100,000 for various purifications >to get rid of his inner demons. What is really amazing about this is that the >Turq had already given the Marshy thousands of >dollars, including over $5,000 to learn yogic >flying. Go figure. > > >
