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I fear for the way the Settle grant now opens us up to ridicule in paying people to 'hop'. The Grant is too much about ridicule now in the community. For the larger reason of positively sustaining the dome meditation numbers it is just time now to phase transition the grant out. It was an honorable thing the Settles did in supporting the American Assembly but it has gotten twisted now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: But it is proly time to just stop with the Howard Settle grant program. In effect it is being counter-productive to the Dome numbers for all the bad feeling it creates now in the larger meditating community, except of course to the benefit of a few tru-believers being paid to 'hop' for the longer rounds.. In context it actually could probably be better for the Dome numbers if they'd just phase transition the Settle grant program out. Could be a really good gift in public relations if they should take whatever Howard Settle grant money amount is in for one final month and go back to paying all the old Settle grant people attending a gift pro-rated based on their Dome meditation attendance for that month. Would be a acknowledgment and nice thank you for the years of dedication that quite a few performed on the Assembly. And then do away with paying people to 'hop'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck. wrote: Yes, old bones, that is a communal rub that really hurts some morale (feelings) of some old dedicated meditators that had come here to be in a big group meditation. That before were people having number one great experiences who were being subsidized to be in the Domes with the original Settle grant program are dropped from the grant program for other people who can perform 'hopping' and keep that performance up. The Settle granting as it is now is not necessarily all good in effect on the Dome numbers. From interviewing folks around it could be argued that paying for 'hopping' is actually counter-productive to the overall numbers. Could proly be better to just skip the grant program and go back to having people meditating the program out according to their experience. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I'm too old to bounce very high and if after program James Beddinger or some other jack ass gave me some crap about my hopping I would go to jail for kicking his ass. wrote: I look forward to the group meditating. It's a fabulous place to meditate for the field effect that is there. You should come back some time and within join the group meditating. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. On Sun, 11/24/13, Buck wrote: Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to
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There's usually about 300 attenders in the men's Dome and about that or less than that in the women's Dome, some people hold up out in Vedic City, and about 650 pundits meditating out where they are. Hence synched together in places separately it's over a thousand and more on good days. Evidently there are only about 50 people on the Howard Settle grant program between the two Domes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: I fear for the way the Settle grant now opens us up to ridicule in paying people to 'hop'. The Grant is too much about ridicule now in the community. For the larger reason of positively sustaining the dome meditation numbers it is just time now to phase transition the grant out. It was an honorable thing the Settles did in supporting the American Assembly but it has gotten twisted now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: But it is proly time to just stop with the Howard Settle grant program. In effect it is being counter-productive to the Dome numbers for all the bad feeling it creates now in the larger meditating community, except of course to the benefit of a few tru-believers being paid to 'hop' for the longer rounds.. In context it actually could probably be better for the Dome numbers if they'd just phase transition the Settle grant program out. Could be a really good gift in public relations if they should take whatever Howard Settle grant money amount is in for one final month and go back to paying all the old Settle grant people attending a gift pro-rated based on their Dome meditation attendance for that month. Would be a acknowledgment and nice thank you for the years of dedication that quite a few performed on the Assembly. And then do away with paying people to 'hop'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck. wrote: Yes, old bones, that is a communal rub that really hurts some morale (feelings) of some old dedicated meditators that had come here to be in a big group meditation. That before were people having number one great experiences who were being subsidized to be in the Domes with the original Settle grant program are dropped from the grant program for other people who can perform 'hopping' and keep that performance up. The Settle granting as it is now is not necessarily all good in effect on the Dome numbers. From interviewing folks around it could be argued that paying for 'hopping' is actually counter-productive to the overall numbers. Could proly be better to just skip the grant program and go back to having people meditating the program out according to their experience. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I'm too old to bounce very high and if after program James Beddinger or some other jack ass gave me some crap about my hopping I would go to jail for kicking his ass. wrote: I look forward to the group meditating. It's a fabulous place to meditate for the field effect that is there. You should come back some time and within join the group meditating. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. On Sun, 11/24/13, Buck wrote: Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these
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In context it actually could probably be better for the Dome numbers if they'd just phase transition the Settle grant program out. Could be a really good gift in public relations if they should take whatever Howard Settle grant money amount is in for one final month and go back to paying all the old Settle grant people attending a gift pro-rated based on their Dome meditation attendance for that month. Would be a acknowledgment and nice thank you for the years of dedication that quite a few performed on the Assembly. And then do away with paying people to 'hop'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck. wrote: Yes, old bones, that is a communal rub that really hurts some morale (feelings) of some old dedicated meditators that had come here to be in a big group meditation. That before were people having number one great experiences who were being subsidized to be in the Domes with the original Settle grant program are dropped from the grant program for other people who can perform 'hopping' and keep that performance up. The Settle granting as it is now is not necessarily all good in effect on the Dome numbers. From interviewing folks around it could be argued that paying for 'hopping' is actually counter-productive to the overall numbers. Could proly be better to just skip the grant program and go back to having people meditating the program out according to their experience. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I'm too old to bounce very high and if after program James Beddinger or some other jack ass gave me some crap about my hopping I would go to jail for kicking his ass. wrote: I look forward to the group meditating. It's a fabulous place to meditate for the field effect that is there. You should come back some time and within join the group meditating. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. On Sun, 11/24/13, Buck wrote: Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I received some communication from someone I know who is in the Domes and this person told me some interesting things that I had not heard before. MJ writes: I have changed some of the wording to keep this person's
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But it is proly time to just stop with the Howard Settle grant program. In effect it is being counter-productive to the Dome numbers for all the bad feeling it creates now in the larger meditating community, except of course to the benefit of a few tru-believers being paid to 'hop' for the longer rounds.. In context it actually could probably be better for the Dome numbers if they'd just phase transition the Settle grant program out. Could be a really good gift in public relations if they should take whatever Howard Settle grant money amount is in for one final month and go back to paying all the old Settle grant people attending a gift pro-rated based on their Dome meditation attendance for that month. Would be a acknowledgment and nice thank you for the years of dedication that quite a few performed on the Assembly. And then do away with paying people to 'hop'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck. wrote: Yes, old bones, that is a communal rub that really hurts some morale (feelings) of some old dedicated meditators that had come here to be in a big group meditation. That before were people having number one great experiences who were being subsidized to be in the Domes with the original Settle grant program are dropped from the grant program for other people who can perform 'hopping' and keep that performance up. The Settle granting as it is now is not necessarily all good in effect on the Dome numbers. From interviewing folks around it could be argued that paying for 'hopping' is actually counter-productive to the overall numbers. Could proly be better to just skip the grant program and go back to having people meditating the program out according to their experience. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I'm too old to bounce very high and if after program James Beddinger or some other jack ass gave me some crap about my hopping I would go to jail for kicking his ass. wrote: I look forward to the group meditating. It's a fabulous place to meditate for the field effect that is there. You should come back some time and within join the group meditating. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. On Sun, 11/24/13, Buck wrote: Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again??
It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. On Sun, 11/24/13, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:38 AM Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I received some communication from someone I know who is in the Domes and this person told me some interesting things that I had not heard before. I have changed some of the wording to keep this person's identity confidential, but in essence she said that the TMO or I guess more accurately the powers that be at MUM, are paying 2 full time monitors to regulate activity in the Lady's Dome - to wit, they go about taking names of people who are sleeping during program. Subsequently these folks are called in for a talking to for lying down during any part of program except rest AND people are being taken to task for not getting high enough off the foam. Anyone else know of this and is it happening in the Men's Dome?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. It would be interesting to infiltrate the Domes and all of the activities on campus as some unknown, undercover participant for about 6 months attending all the meetings, the news releases, everything to see what is actually the reality of the thing. Of course, I wouldn't have the ability, mentally, to do this as my boredom and tolerance quotient is not great but only then could you get a fair reading on what is going on in FF, the TM FF, at least. Until then, unfortunately, it is all sort of hearsay. On Sun, 11/24/13, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:38 AM Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I received some communication from someone I know who is in the Domes and this person told me some interesting things that I had not heard before. I have changed some of the wording to keep this person's identity confidential, but in essence she said that the TMO or I guess more accurately the powers that be at MUM, are paying 2 full time monitors to regulate activity in the Lady's Dome - to wit, they go about taking names of people who are sleeping during program. Subsequently these folks are called in for a talking to for lying down during any part of program except rest AND people are being taken to task for not getting high enough off the foam. Anyone else know of this and is it happening in the Men's Dome?
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(snip) Ann wrote: It would be interesting to infiltrate the Domes and all of the activities on campus as some unknown, undercover participant for about 6 months attending all the meetings, the news releases, everything to see what is actually the reality of the thing. Of course, I wouldn't have the ability, mentally, to do this as my boredom and tolerance quotient is not great but only then could you get a fair reading on what is going on in FF, the TM FF, at least. Until then, unfortunately, it is all sort of hearsay. Well, exactly. It's interesting--not surprising, though, I guess--that every scrap of negative rumor is taken by some here to be the gospel truth, while anything positive is ignored or dumped on.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (snip) Ann wrote: It would be interesting to infiltrate the Domes and all of the activities on campus as some unknown, undercover participant for about 6 months attending all the meetings, the news releases, everything to see what is actually the reality of the thing. Of course, I wouldn't have the ability, mentally, to do this as my boredom and tolerance quotient is not great but only then could you get a fair reading on what is going on in FF, the TM FF, at least. Until then, unfortunately, it is all sort of hearsay. Well, exactly. It's interesting--not surprising, though, I guess--that every scrap of negative rumor is taken by some here to be the gospel truth, while anything positive is ignored or dumped on. Have you ever noticed how similar TM cultists sound to One Direction cultists? http://digg.com/video/a-dramatic-reenactment-of-a-youtube-comments-fight http://digg.com/video/a-dramatic-reenactment-of-a-youtube-comments-figh\ t :-)
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It's been my experience that most TMers don't know much of anything about what is going on inside the TMO, even folks who live in Fairfield and practice regularly in the domes. That's supposed to be what this forum is all about - Fairfield Life - but anyone who reads here can tell you that even insiders like Alex, whose brother is a Raja - or even Rick or Buck seem to not know what's really going on. Real and accurate TMO insider information is very rare these days - we heard from one Raja on this forum a few times, but apparently most of the MUM faculty and the current students avoid this place like the plague! They could be lurking here - I don't know. This leads me to the conclusion that there is no 'TMO' - it's a fiction invented by outsiders. If there were a TMO there would be a lot more and better management. There is a MUM administration for sure, but that's local - who knows what is going on in India or in other countries. Apparently there are numerous TMOs, and none of them seem to be talking to each other. There is apparently still an SRM. Go figure. At one time I read here that MUM sends money to India, to MMYs uncle and his section, and/or to MMYs relatives, but this has not been conformed by any authoritative sources, as far as I know. It may be that the so-called TMO has no money at all to be doling out anyway. Which is not to say there aren't any wealthy donors out there. But, according to the Kaplan brothers most of the money donated was dispersed into failed projects. My guess is that MUM is operating on a shoestring budget and relying on student loans to pay all the bills, just like many other universities and colleges these days. But, I am really impressed that MUM has been sustained since 1972! 'The Maharishi Effect: A Personal Journey Through the Movement That Transformed American Spirituality' by Geoff Gilpin Tarcher/Penguin, 2006 'David Lynch and Transcendental Meditation: David Wants to Fly' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wants_to_Fly The film is too cynically lightweight about the benefits of meditation, as well as about the integrity of Lynch's vision. Any reader of Lynch's published musing on creativity and meditation -- Catching the Big Fish -- will note that Lynch is no fanatic, but simply (and intelligently) proposes a helpful connection between meditating 20 minutes a day and opening channels of creativity. - Amazon review On 11/24/2013 8:44 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. It would be interesting to infiltrate the Domes and all of the activities on campus as some unknown, undercover participant for about 6 months attending all the meetings, the news releases, everything to see what is actually the reality of the thing. Of course, I wouldn't have the ability, mentally, to do this as my boredom and tolerance quotient is not great but only then could you get a fair reading on what is going on in FF, the TM FF, at least. Until then, unfortunately, it is all sort of hearsay. On Sun, 11/24/13, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:38 AM Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other
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Did you have a comment to make, Barry? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (snip) Ann wrote: It would be interesting to infiltrate the Domes and all of the activities on campus as some unknown, undercover participant for about 6 months attending all the meetings, the news releases, everything to see what is actually the reality of the thing. Of course, I wouldn't have the ability, mentally, to do this as my boredom and tolerance quotient is not great but only then could you get a fair reading on what is going on in FF, the TM FF, at least. Until then, unfortunately, it is all sort of hearsay. Well, exactly. It's interesting--not surprising, though, I guess--that every scrap of negative rumor is taken by some here to be the gospel truth, while anything positive is ignored or dumped on. Have you ever noticed how similar TM cultists sound to One Direction cultists? http://digg.com/video/a-dramatic-reenactment-of-a-youtube-comments-fight http://digg.com/video/a-dramatic-reenactment-of-a-youtube-comments-fight :-)
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I look forward to the group meditating. It's a fabulous place to meditate for the field effect that is there. You should come back some time and within join the group meditating. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. On Sun, 11/24/13, Buck wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:38 AM Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I received some communication from someone I know who is in the Domes and this person told me some interesting things that I had not heard before. I have changed some of the wording to keep this person's identity confidential, but in essence she said that the TMO or I guess more accurately the powers that be at MUM, are paying 2 full time monitors to regulate activity in the Lady's Dome - to wit, they go about taking names of people who are sleeping during program. Subsequently these folks are called in for a talking to for lying down during any part of program except rest AND people are being taken to task for not getting high enough off the foam. Anyone else know of this and is it happening in the Men's Dome?
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Really the Dome is run pretty good and you don't have to have much to do with the real tru- believers if you don't want to. However, I like them. A lot of people come and go according to their lives here. There really are not that many people on the Howard Settle grant being paid to be in the Domes to 'hop' anymore doing the long rounds. They are part of what makes Fairfield so special and they do give us all so much to talk and think about. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: I look forward to the group meditating. It's a fabulous place to meditate for the field effect that is there. You should come back some time and within join the group meditating. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. On Sun, 11/24/13, Buck wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:38 AM Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I received some communication from someone I know who is in the Domes and this person told me some interesting things that I had not heard before. I have changed some of the wording to keep this person's identity confidential, but in essence she said that the TMO or I guess more accurately the powers that be at MUM, are paying 2 full time monitors to regulate activity in the Lady's Dome - to wit, they go about taking names of people who are sleeping during program. Subsequently these folks are called in for a talking to for lying down during any part of program except rest AND people are being taken to task for not getting high enough off the foam. Anyone else know of this and is it happening in the Men's Dome?
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that's why I was asking if it was true and if any of the regulars here on FFL who are also in the Dome could confirm or deny - thus far Buck is the only one who says one way or the other and he confirms and condones On Sun, 11/24/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 2:44 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. It would be interesting to infiltrate the Domes and all of the activities on campus as some unknown, undercover participant for about 6 months attending all the meetings, the news releases, everything to see what is actually the reality of the thing. Of course, I wouldn't have the ability, mentally, to do this as my boredom and tolerance quotient is not great but only then could you get a fair reading on what is going on in FF, the TM FF, at least. Until then, unfortunately, it is all sort of hearsay. On Sun, 11/24/13, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:38 AM Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I received some communication from someone I know who is in the Domes and this person told me some interesting things that I had not heard before. I have changed some of the wording to keep this person's identity confidential, but in essence she said that the TMO or I guess more accurately the powers that be at MUM, are paying 2 full time monitors to regulate activity in the Lady's Dome - to wit, they go about taking names of people who are sleeping during program. Subsequently these folks are called in for a talking to for lying down during any part of program except rest AND people are being taken to task for not getting high enough off the foam. Anyone else know
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that is hilarious On Sun, 11/24/13, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:53 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (snip) Ann wrote: It would be interesting to infiltrate the Domes and all of the activities on campus as some unknown, undercover participant for about 6 months attending all the meetings, the news releases, everything to see what is actually the reality of the thing. Of course, I wouldn't have the ability, mentally, to do this as my boredom and tolerance quotient is not great but only then could you get a fair reading on what is going on in FF, the TM FF, at least. Until then, unfortunately, it is all sort of hearsay. Well, exactly. It's interesting--not surprising, though, I guess--that every scrap of negative rumor is taken by some here to be the gospel truth, while anything positive is ignored or dumped on. Have you ever noticed how similar TM cultists sound to One Direction cultists? http://digg.com/video/a-dramatic-reenactment-of-a-youtube-comments-fight :-)
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From what I can tell, Buck is the only regular here, other than Share, who meditates in the dome on a regular basis. Were you thinking this was a forum for TMers? Go figure. On 11/24/2013 8:09 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: that's why I was asking if it was true and if any of the regulars here on FFL who are also in the Dome could confirm or deny - thus far Buck is the only one who says one way or the other and he confirms and condones On Sun, 11/24/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 2:44 PM
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I'm too old to bounce very high and if after program James Beddinger or some other jack ass gave me some crap about my hopping I would go to jail for kicking his ass. On Sun, 11/24/13, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 9:33 PM I look forward to the group meditating. It's a fabulous place to meditate for the field effect that is there. You should come back some time and within join the group meditating. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. On Sun, 11/24/13, Buck wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TM Nazis, Again?? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 24, 2013, 3:38 AM Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I received some communication from someone I know who is in the Domes and this person told me some interesting things that I had not heard before. I have changed some of the wording to keep this person's identity confidential, but in essence she said that the TMO or I guess more accurately the powers that be at MUM, are paying 2 full time monitors to regulate activity in the Lady's Dome - to wit, they go about taking names of people who are sleeping during program. Subsequently these folks are called in for a talking to for lying down during any part of program except rest AND people are being taken to task for not getting high enough off the foam. Anyone else know of this and is it happening in the Men's Dome?
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Yes, old bones, that is a communal rub that really hurts some morale (feelings) of some old dedicated meditators that had come here to be in a big group meditation. That before were people having number one great experiences who were being subsidized to be in the Domes with the original Settle grant program are dropped from the grant program for other people who can perform 'hopping' and keep that performance up. The Settle granting as it is now is not necessarily all good in effect on the Dome numbers. From interviewing folks around it could be argued that paying for 'hopping' is actually counter-productive to the overall numbers. Could proly be better to just skip the grant program and go back to having people meditating the program out according to their experience. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I'm too old to bounce very high and if after program James Beddinger or some other jack ass gave me some crap about my hopping I would go to jail for kicking his ass. wrote: I look forward to the group meditating. It's a fabulous place to meditate for the field effect that is there. You should come back some time and within join the group meditating. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: It doesn't bother you that people are being taken to task for not hopping high enough??? THe entire TM and TM Sidhi program was SUPPOSED to be practiced naturally with NO STRAIN? What happened to that? If indeed this is taking place inside and out of the Domes, the TMO is going against the fundamental basics of proper practice of the TM and TM Sidhi programes, and to paraphrase the Old Goat himself, if you aren't doing TM the way its taught, you aren't doing TM. If these monitor Nazis are introducing fear into people's awareness between programs ABOUT program itself then they are defeating the very Marsy Effect you are so fond of praising and worshiping. I have to agree with past statements made by Barry - the Movement is dead and it is continually being re-buried by practices like this. On Sun, 11/24/13, Buck wrote: Overseers. Well yes, and what is the problem(?). It's about pay for performance. If you are being paid to meditate and 'hop' then all the more certainly your employers should get some disciplined work (meditation) from you. It is called performance contract. This criteria calls for overseers for meditating is for the few folks who are still funded to be regularly attending the dome meditating and doing the long TM-sidhis yogic flying prescribed for on the Howard Settle grant program. Of the total number of people in the larger group meditation only a few remain now on the money grant. They got standards to keep up if they are getting money for it. Other meditators who were dropped from the grant program when it collapsed before for lack of money may well think these others are selling their souls to have to 'hop' just for money. Other people who before were there for having great and powerful meditation in the Domes may see it has become otherwise for some, a form of performance art for money, as another corruption of money. People see it differently. I think it is wonderful that people are generally a little more disciplined sitting up in meditation now and attending to the technique and adding to the group meditation field effect. It's a lot more awake in the Domes than some times ago when people would generally come in just laying down to sleep and miss the incredible opportunity of the field effect to meditate in the Domes. The lack of discipline was profound in those days. What a drag that was. It is a lot better now. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: I received some communication from someone I know who is in the Domes and this person told me some interesting things that I had not heard before. MJ writes: I have changed some of the wording to keep this person's identity confidential, but in essence she said that the TMO or I guess more accurately the powers that be at MUM, are paying 2 full time monitors to regulate activity in the Lady's Dome - to wit, they go about taking names of people who are sleeping during program. Subsequently these folks are called in for a talking to for lying down during any part of program except rest AND people are being taken to task for not getting high enough off the foam. Anyone else know of this and is it happening in the Men's Dome?
