Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
Thank you, Dan and I can't speak for Ann but I'm relieved, working on it myself, very tricky stuff. From: danfriedman2002 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 5:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita No, and yes. I hope this settles things for you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Judy to the best of my memory, I have not attributed a personality disorder > > to anyone but myself. OTOH I have said several times that I find such > > labels useless and even harmful. I have attempted to counter reports on > > such with what other experts say, especially as concerns curability. > > Is arrogance a disorder and is it curable? The answer to this is of utmost > importance to me, for reasons only you will understand the most profoundly of > anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: authfriend > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:02 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for > > Seraphita > > > > > > > >  > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd > > > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their > > > behavior. > > > > On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among > > certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't > > like with personality disorders as a way of putting > > them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," > > because those who do it don't have a clue as to > > whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases > > these faux mental health experts demonstrate an > > amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual > > personality traits as shown in their posts. > > > > The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and > > vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, > > Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of > > themselves. > > > > The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with > > compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the > > putdown. > > > > I am not referring to anyone here, necessarily, but probably the best way > > to cure those people, is by responding appropriately to them. > > > > > > Intuition is a huge help in recognizing people like that - if it doesn't > > > smell right, it isn't right. Once they see it doesn't work, they may > > > possibly seek treatment. As long as their schtick works, though, no > > > problem-o, from their perspective. > > > > > > Seems like a bonafide first world problem - not something anyone just a > > > smidge, or two, closer to natural processes, would encounter, or even > > > think about, overruled by the growling of their stomach, to catch, or > > > harvest a meal. However, makes for great mental fodder, while cruising > > > the aisles of Safeway. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > Xeno, sorry for attributing to you the idea of NPD's incurability. I > > > > took it as tacit agreement when you left in that strong statement at > > > > the beginning of the article. I was wrong to do so. Just to repeat that > > > > I'm very encouraged by the work Dr. Behary is doing in the field of > > > > NPD. I think both she and Dr. Siegel, whose focus is on other > > > > disorders, use mindfulness meditation. I think they both also have a > > > > strong neurophysiological perspective on all this which I think is very > > > > good news. Think undeveloped mirror neurons, which I would guess > > > > sociopaths have, and what can be done to awaken and strengthen them via > > > > mental techniques and everyday strategies.  > > > > > > > > > > > > As for so called normal people and spiritual practices and results, I'm > > > > now mentally comparing Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Adyashanti, three > > > > seemingly very different paths to a quite realized, IMO, state in each > > > > case. I'll also add in Father Keating whom Rick has interviewed. > > > > Actually listening to some of those interviews might shed some light on > > > > what, if any, influence there is from the original motivation onto the > > > > results. > > > > > > > > From my own experience and reading about others and listening to > > > > others, I think the whole thing is a crap shoot. I'm just reading > > > > Adya's Falling Into Grace, which is of course, a much better way of > > > > saying that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:32 AM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, > > > > for Seraphita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > Dear Xeno - please don't try to twist and manipulate my words. It was a > hypothesis - based on your, yes, lack of empathy and this manipulation. I'm > obviously not a professional, I'm just indulging in the time honored FFL > tradition of dishonesty and innuendo by slapping psychiatric labels on > others. > And the supreme disinterested-ness of my highly evolved, enlightened state of mind as I compassionately assign a psychiatric label on Xeno must be obvious to everyone other than the clueless, hapless Xeno. > > RE: According to Ravi, I am a sociopath, or perhaps even a psychopath. > Sorry, no empathy, no feelings of shame. > > > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius < > anartax...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" >> wrote: >> >> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: >> > > >> > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd >> > > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their >> > > behavior. >> > >> > On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among >> > certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't >> > like with personality disorders as a way of putting >> > them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," >> > because those who do it don't have a clue as to >> > whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases >> > these faux mental health experts demonstrate an >> > amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual >> > personality traits as shown in their posts. >> > >> > The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and >> > vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, >> > Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of >> > themselves. >> > >> > The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with >> > compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the >> > putdown. >> >> According to Ravi, I am a sociopath, or perhaps even a psychopath. Sorry, >> no empathy, no feelings of shame. 'Pretend to diagnose' is accurate. I do >> not know of anyone here who has the credentials to make a real diagnosis. >> It is just fun here, unless one is so deadly serious about life that the >> weight of the world is on the shoulders. >> >> Whether people with these states of mind can be changed or not is a >> legitimate question. The idea of 'cure' always suggests something abnormal >> that a proper treatment will somehow 'fix'. I prefer to think of human >> mental characteristics as being points on a Bell curve and each aspect is a >> property of nature, made by nature, but some of those points very far from >> the centre of the curve may have very strange properties for the individual >> that has that point, and that those with points closer to the midpoint will >> find that distant outlier intolerable. >> >> My thought is, if one is on FFL, then there has to be something very >> strange about one to begin with. We are all nut cases looking for heaven on >> a flat screen. >> >> >> > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
Dear Xeno - please don't try to twist and manipulate my words. It was a hypothesis - based on your, yes, lack of empathy and this manipulation. I'm obviously not a professional, I'm just indulging in the time honored FFL tradition of dishonesty and innuendo by slapping psychiatric labels on others. RE: According to Ravi, I am a sociopath, or perhaps even a psychopath. Sorry, no empathy, no feelings of shame. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius < anartax...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd > > > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their > > > behavior. > > > > On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among > > certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't > > like with personality disorders as a way of putting > > them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," > > because those who do it don't have a clue as to > > whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases > > these faux mental health experts demonstrate an > > amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual > > personality traits as shown in their posts. > > > > The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and > > vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, > > Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of > > themselves. > > > > The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with > > compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the > > putdown. > > According to Ravi, I am a sociopath, or perhaps even a psychopath. Sorry, > no empathy, no feelings of shame. 'Pretend to diagnose' is accurate. I do > not know of anyone here who has the credentials to make a real diagnosis. > It is just fun here, unless one is so deadly serious about life that the > weight of the world is on the shoulders. > > Whether people with these states of mind can be changed or not is a > legitimate question. The idea of 'cure' always suggests something abnormal > that a proper treatment will somehow 'fix'. I prefer to think of human > mental characteristics as being points on a Bell curve and each aspect is a > property of nature, made by nature, but some of those points very far from > the centre of the curve may have very strange properties for the individual > that has that point, and that those with points closer to the midpoint will > find that distant outlier intolerable. > > My thought is, if one is on FFL, then there has to be something very > strange about one to begin with. We are all nut cases looking for heaven on > a flat screen. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Share Long wrote: > ** > > > Xeno! You had me chuckling last night when I read this, thank you, and > smiling this morning as I reply. And even Ravi has finally noticed how > humorous you can be. > No dear - I think Xeno indulges in humor but very rarely. Psychopaths are known to have a sense of humor. Not sure where Xeno is on the psychopathic spectrum but a research article on sense of humor in Psychopaths. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22559907 > See how much good a short, snappy reply can accomplish?! I'm just > sayin...AND I really enjoy your longer replies too. > PS Any change in your opinion about NPD not being curable? > > -- > *From:* Xenophaneros Anartaxius > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2013 4:41 PM > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, > for Seraphita > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Xeno, I can't tell if you're joking or not. Are you? And if yes, then > may I ask what you have against short, snappy replies? We can't all write > the way that you do. Or the way that Ravi does, for that matter. Or the way > that...you get my drift. Jeez, we got the 50/week limit. turq doesn't want > posts that are too long. Now you don't want short posts. Richard doesn't > want posts that are all about one person! Seraphita doesn't want any rules! > I say enjoy the buffet, taking the items you like and leaving the rest for > others. > > > > As for forcing people to think, well honestly that doesn't even sound > like you. Right now, it is so hot, even with the AC on, it's difficult to > muster the energy to think clearly much less profoundly. > > Me no talk now, time close eyes. > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
Xeno! You had me chuckling last night when I read this, thank you, and smiling this morning as I reply. And even Ravi has finally noticed how humorous you can be. See how much good a short, snappy reply can accomplish?! I'm just sayin...AND I really enjoy your longer replies too. PS Any change in your opinion about NPD not being curable? From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Xeno, I can't tell if you're joking or not. Are you? And if yes, then may I > ask what you have against short, snappy replies? We can't all write the way > that you do. Or the way that Ravi does, for that matter. Or the way > that...you get my drift. Jeez, we got the 50/week limit. turq doesn't want > posts that are too long. Now you don't want short posts. Richard doesn't want > posts that are all about one person! Seraphita doesn't want any rules! I say > enjoy the buffet, taking the items you like and leaving the rest for others. > > As for forcing people to think, well honestly that doesn't even sound like > you. Right now, it is so hot, even with the AC on, it's difficult to muster > the energy to think clearly much less profoundly. Me no talk now, time close eyes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
http://youtu.be/eFpnPZpFTEk On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Share Long wrote: > ** > > > Xeno, I love what you say here, especially the last two lines. Wish I > could figure out some way to make this longer, just in gratitude for you > and the ideas you often write (-: > > > -- > *From:* Xenophaneros Anartaxius > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:02 PM > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, > for Seraphita > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd > > > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their > > > behavior. > > > > On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among > > certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't > > like with personality disorders as a way of putting > > them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," > > because those who do it don't have a clue as to > > whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases > > these faux mental health experts demonstrate an > > amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual > > personality traits as shown in their posts. > > > > The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and > > vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, > > Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of > > themselves. > > > > The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with > > compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the > > putdown. > > According to Ravi, I am a sociopath, or perhaps even a psychopath. Sorry, > no empathy, no feelings of shame. 'Pretend to diagnose' is accurate. I do > not know of anyone here who has the credentials to make a real diagnosis. > It is just fun here, unless one is so deadly serious about life that the > weight of the world is on the shoulders. > > Whether people with these states of mind can be changed or not is a > legitimate question. The idea of 'cure' always suggests something abnormal > that a proper treatment will somehow 'fix'. I prefer to think of human > mental characteristics as being points on a Bell curve and each aspect is a > property of nature, made by nature, but some of those points very far from > the centre of the curve may have very strange properties for the individual > that has that point, and that those with points closer to the midpoint will > find that distant outlier intolerable. > > My thought is, if one is on FFL, then there has to be something very > strange about one to begin with. We are all nut cases looking for heaven on > a flat screen. > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
Xeno, I love what you say here, especially the last two lines. Wish I could figure out some way to make this longer, just in gratitude for you and the ideas you often write (-: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd > > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their > > behavior. > > On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among > certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't > like with personality disorders as a way of putting > them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," > because those who do it don't have a clue as to > whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases > these faux mental health experts demonstrate an > amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual > personality traits as shown in their posts. > > The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and > vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, > Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of > themselves. > > The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with > compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the > putdown. According to Ravi, I am a sociopath, or perhaps even a psychopath. Sorry, no empathy, no feelings of shame. 'Pretend to diagnose' is accurate. I do not know of anyone here who has the credentials to make a real diagnosis. It is just fun here, unless one is so deadly serious about life that the weight of the world is on the shoulders. Whether people with these states of mind can be changed or not is a legitimate question. The idea of 'cure' always suggests something abnormal that a proper treatment will somehow 'fix'. I prefer to think of human mental characteristics as being points on a Bell curve and each aspect is a property of nature, made by nature, but some of those points very far from the centre of the curve may have very strange properties for the individual that has that point, and that those with points closer to the midpoint will find that distant outlier intolerable. My thought is, if one is on FFL, then there has to be something very strange about one to begin with. We are all nut cases looking for heaven on a flat screen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
Well, I have decided to collect the myriad ways in which Xeno refuses to take accountability for his dishonesty and his emotional stuntedness. Here is the list of reasons he provides a) He is an evolved, enlightened being b) His opinions are disinterested hypotheses Abstract, universal constructs aka platitudes c) There is no such thing called truth or facts in Unity d) Truth and facts are relative d) Our minds are fantasy making instruments e) We are all nut cases looking for heaven on a flat screen Anything else I have missed? I will keep this list updated, there's so many more platitudes of his in the past but I don't have time to review all of it. I will just be more proactive from now on because I know Xeno can't resist spouting platitudes - it's his whole MO, his solitary card trick. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM, authfriend wrote: > ** > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > (snip) > > > My thought is, if one is on FFL, then there has to be something > > very strange about one to begin with. We are all nut cases > > looking for heaven on a flat screen. > > Xeno: > > SPEAK. FOR. YOURSELF. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
Judy to the best of my memory, I have not attributed a personality disorder to anyone but myself. OTOH I have said several times that I find such labels useless and even harmful. I have attempted to counter reports on such with what other experts say, especially as concerns curability. From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > It seems like the people most interested in curing these npd > and socio/psycho-paths are those who feel threatened by their > behavior. On this forum, it's become almost a tradition among certain people here to diagnose FFL members they don't like with personality disorders as a way of putting them down. Or I should say "pretend to diagnose," because those who do it don't have a clue as to whether such a diagnosis is accurate. In many cases these faux mental health experts demonstrate an amazing degree of ignorance of their targets' actual personality traits as shown in their posts. The whole thing is disgracefully inappropriate and vicious, and those who indulge in it (Barry, Curtis, Share, Xeno, and their toadies) should be ashamed of themselves. The "cure" idea, BTW, has nothing to do with compassionate intent. It's just an extension of the putdown. I am not referring to anyone here, necessarily, but probably the best way to cure those people, is by responding appropriately to them. > > Intuition is a huge help in recognizing people like that - if it doesn't > smell right, it isn't right. Once they see it doesn't work, they may possibly > seek treatment. As long as their schtick works, though, no problem-o, from > their perspective. > > Seems like a bonafide first world problem - not something anyone just a > smidge, or two, closer to natural processes, would encounter, or even think > about, overruled by the growling of their stomach, to catch, or harvest a > meal. However, makes for great mental fodder, while cruising the aisles of > Safeway. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Xeno, sorry for attributing to you the idea of NPD's incurability. I took > > it as tacit agreement when you left in that strong statement at the > > beginning of the article. I was wrong to do so. Just to repeat that I'm > > very encouraged by the work Dr. Behary is doing in the field of NPD. I > > think both she and Dr. Siegel, whose focus is on other disorders, use > > mindfulness meditation. I think they both also have a strong > > neurophysiological perspective on all this which I think is very good news. > > Think undeveloped mirror neurons, which I would guess sociopaths have, and > > what can be done to awaken and strengthen them via mental techniques and > > everyday strategies.  > > > > > > As for so called normal people and spiritual practices and results, I'm now > > mentally comparing Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Adyashanti, three > > seemingly very different paths to a quite realized, IMO, state in each > > case. I'll also add in Father Keating whom Rick has interviewed. Actually > > listening to some of those interviews might shed some light on what, if > > any, influence there is from the original motivation onto the results. > > > > From my own experience and reading about others and listening to others, I > > think the whole thing is a crap shoot. I'm just reading Adya's Falling Into > > Grace, which is of course, a much better way of saying that! > > > > > > > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:32 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for > > Seraphita > > > > > > > >  > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > Xeno! You had me chuckling last night when I read this, thank you, and > > > smiling this morning as I reply. And even Ravi has finally noticed how > > > humorous you can be. See how much good a short, snappy reply can > > > accomplish?! I'm just sayin...AND I really enjoy your longer replies too. > > > > > > PS Any change in your opinion about NPD not being curable? > > > > As the subject of NPD was brought up on FFL, I was just curious, just as > > when I came across an article on sociopathy; so have been reading something > > about them. The opinion that NPD is not curable is not mine, it is found in > > the material I have read and copied to FFL. It is also the opinion in these > > articles that sociopathy is not curable either; these things seem to be > > baseline ways the brain and its programming interprets the world and the > > sense of self. > > > > The question that interests me is can a discipline like meditation have a > > significant impact on th
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
Xeno, sorry for attributing to you the idea of NPD's incurability. I took it as tacit agreement when you left in that strong statement at the beginning of the article. I was wrong to do so. Just to repeat that I'm very encouraged by the work Dr. Behary is doing in the field of NPD. I think both she and Dr. Siegel, whose focus is on other disorders, use mindfulness meditation. I think they both also have a strong neurophysiological perspective on all this which I think is very good news. Think undeveloped mirror neurons, which I would guess sociopaths have, and what can be done to awaken and strengthen them via mental techniques and everyday strategies. As for so called normal people and spiritual practices and results, I'm now mentally comparing Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Adyashanti, three seemingly very different paths to a quite realized, IMO, state in each case. I'll also add in Father Keating whom Rick has interviewed. Actually listening to some of those interviews might shed some light on what, if any, influence there is from the original motivation onto the results. >From my own experience and reading about others and listening to others, I >think the whole thing is a crap shoot. I'm just reading Adya's Falling Into >Grace, which is of course, a much better way of saying that! From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Xeno! You had me chuckling last night when I read this, thank you, and > smiling this morning as I reply. And even Ravi has finally noticed how > humorous you can be. See how much good a short, snappy reply can accomplish?! > I'm just sayin...AND I really enjoy your longer replies too. > > PS Any change in your opinion about NPD not being curable? As the subject of NPD was brought up on FFL, I was just curious, just as when I came across an article on sociopathy; so have been reading something about them. The opinion that NPD is not curable is not mine, it is found in the material I have read and copied to FFL. It is also the opinion in these articles that sociopathy is not curable either; these things seem to be baseline ways the brain and its programming interprets the world and the sense of self. The question that interests me is can a discipline like meditation have a significant impact on these people, and what would that impact be? It seems to be an unconscious rule in spiritual circles, if you do so-and-so, there will be some sort of uniform result. Maybe that is not true. Maybe only certain people, or even just a subset of certain people (what sociopaths call 'neuro-typical' people or empaths), respond in the predicted way to spiritual techniques. As research on meditation techniques is in general not very good, finding data on population subsets like this would seem to be out of the question at this point in most cases. Mental problems aside, it would be interesting to find out if there is a difference in result between people who learn meditation because they want to feel better, and people who have strong desire for enlightenment, this latter being the historical reason for doing meditation. This does not require a scientific definition of enlightenment, since none exists in my acquaintance, only that certain people want whatever the word enlightenment means to them. "Normal people get too bothered witnessing suffering to keep seeing it. Narcissists don't care – they are too focused on their own story, judging the losers in a way that makes them feel good about themselves, etc. But sociopaths can really see the suffering and keep going."
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:57 PM, authfriend wrote: > ** > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb > wrote: > > > > > > To use a Judy phrase, "go back and read what I wrote." > > > > The totals listed were for a whole MONTH, dummy. So > > > > during the month of October (4.42 "posting weeks") I > > > > posted an average of 49.32 posts per day, > > > > > > That's a lot of posts per week let alone per month at "49.42 > > > posts per day". I'm reading what you wrote Barry but it isn't > > > getting any clearer. Ah, isn't this fun? > > > > ERROR ERROR ERROR. Probably Turq meant 49.32 posts *per week*, > > his fingers typing faster than his brain. > > No shit, Sherlock. > > Xenophaneros Anartaxius, Master of the Bleeding Obvious. > > What's so funny about what Barry wrote is that he had nastily > trashed Ann in the previous sentence for having made a very > similar careless mistake, confusing months with weeks. Talk > about hoisting yourself with your own petard. > > Good thing Barry has no problem laughing at himself, innit? > I don't think Xeno or Barry will address Barry's mistake or his irrational, sadistic rant against Ann's mistake. Did Barry's buttons get pushed by Ann? Yep - as always. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
Xeno, I can't tell if you're joking or not. Are you? And if yes, then may I ask what you have against short, snappy replies? We can't all write the way that you do. Or the way that Ravi does, for that matter. Or the way that...you get my drift. Jeez, we got the 50/week limit. turq doesn't want posts that are too long. Now you don't want short posts. Richard doesn't want posts that are all about one person! Seraphita doesn't want any rules! I say enjoy the buffet, taking the items you like and leaving the rest for others. As for forcing people to think, well honestly that doesn't even sound like you. Right now, it is so hot, even with the AC on, it's difficult to muster the energy to think clearly much less profoundly. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita I have always thought on forums etc., it would help to have a program to scan the input, and reject anything shorter than a certain number of total characters, a certain number of sentences, and a certain number of paragraphs, and perhaps a certain minimum grade level of comprehension. That would get rid of the short snappy comments people snap off, and force them to think or drop out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita
Here's hoping someone will ban you just because. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 10:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A short history of the FFL Posting Limits, for Seraphita > > who the heck was shempmcgurk? > > Alex Stanley: > A right-wing coward who hid behind an anonymous > ID in order to sling invective at people. He made > the mistake of trying to post a particularly nasty, > profanity laden diatribe in response to Rick, but > he was logged in with the Yahoo ID associated with > his real name, and it ended up being sent to Rick > instead of FFL. Rick forwarded the abusive email > to FFL, and shemp unsubscribed shortly thereafter. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/244508 > So, if we send a personal email to Rick, it might end up posted to FFL with our real name? Isn't that against the FFL rules? Go figure. This is really funny: Barry once posted a private email on Usenet from Patrick Ryan, and he got taken to task for lacking any netiquette. But, for Rick to do it, is a good way to get rid of a debate opponent? LoL!
