Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song
Party's over - sorry about that. Yes my writing is an art, and you should respect my artistic expression as a provocative writer. Remember this is what your friend Barry claims and you support him. So you may feel uncomfortable about my usage of certain derogatory words, my posts with racist undertones but you will have to somehow deal with it - just as you support Barry. You, unfortunately cannot have it both ways. Clearly Raunchy, Carol, I and now Emily feel the lyrics of the song in question evoked strong images of gang rape but none of us questioned your right to interpret it as you like or support the artist's expression of it. My disagreement with your response to Emily was that you didn't acknowledge her discomfort of the lyrics viz your statement "I have no idea why you would write any of this". Peace out, later nigga. On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > Hey guys - can you please keep it down? God !!! > > Sorry Curtis, guys threw a surprise party to celebrate my victory today. > > Can we have this post-mortem later - perhaps when I'm not distracted by > all this gloating? > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "curtisdeltablues" < > curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > So did you intend it to be a stand up joke routine or not Ravi, simple > question. > > Name calling is not an answer or an effective cover up. You made the > absurd claim, now which is it? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > Well congratulations - it's official Curtis - you are genuinely, > innocently, honestly retarded. LOL. > > > > Your primary defensive, offensive mechanism is your self-righteous spin > which constantly protects your self-interest. > > > > You will not hesitate to pummel, pulverize, petrify truth with your > malicious, devious self-righteous spin in your relentless defense of your > perceived image, your self-interest and your POV. > > > > Bravo !!! > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:37 AM, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > > > > > Curtis - Now that I'm done expressing myself on this topic why don't > you reiterate your demand to Judy, raunchy and Ann to challenge me here.> > > > > > > It wasn't a demand, it was an invitation. Predictably it was not taken. > > > > > > < Unlike you and Barry I would love to be challenged and corrected, > though I may be running out of posts and have to get to it next week.> > > > > > > Well I haven't noticed that about you Ravi, you seem to fly off the > handle pretty easily and start throwing the contents of your diaper. But > you are in a protected class with them so you have nothing to worry about. > (Hey what about those blacks, wink, wink.) > > > > > > > > > > > Remember my other point which you ignore in your self-righteous spin > - why are my posts not stand up routines and not fall under artists's > freedom to be provocative and indulge in overt misogyny and racism if need > be.> > > > > > > Because you set it up carefully as being serious. Are you claiming now > that you were joking and doing schtick on Republican assholes who share the > views in your overgeneralized statement? > > > > > > Humor that makes fun of racists is really hard to do, it requires a > context to make sure the audience is in on the joke. > > > > > > You didn't set it up that way. > > > > > > Here is your "stand-up" routine as you presented it: > > > > > > Dear Emily - I love black culture, black people for their > heart-centeredness - heck I loved 2Pac's dear mama, but since I don't > suffer from any White guilt and burden, nor I am I trying to spin it for a > yuppie audience I will say that most of the culture is very crude, > misogynistic. Who doesn't love their mom's - I am sorry - but is that > enough and then you let your partner fend for herself, forcing her to have > multiple children for maximum food stamps while your deadbeat ass > languishes in jail. It's terribly hard to be a black woman. Fine to be > sexist, misogynistic as an artistic expression in music, movie for > entertainment but surely not a prescription for a modern, liberal, > sophisticated society. > > > > > > So who else believes that Ravi was doing schtick on racist viewpoints, > making fun of THEM? Was the biggest laugh line supposed to be: "I will say > that most of the culture is very crude, misogynistic." > > > > > > Let's see the honesty committee spin this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > And I don't care if you call me a racist, I myself mock at my > inner racist every day, laugh and mock my own mind's biases. > > > > > > > > > > Conservatives wallow in their racism, liberal strive to rise above > their inner racism to meet others with compassion. > > > > > > > > > > Scream loud as you want at others being racist - I'm just going to > laugh at your ignorant, sorry ass but when I meet you I will as alwa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song
Ravi the Apologizer IN DA HOUSE! > > From: Ravi Chivukula >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:28 PM >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song > > > > >Oh you poor, innocent Steve clearly this is an open and shut case of >psychological rape on part of Ann. Everyone here at FFL is painfully aware of >your, how do I say this in a sensitive, empathic way, yeah of your >retardedness - did I not notice your incorrect usage of "bombasity" as well, I >sure did. Did I say anything - no because I know it's not empathetic to >correct retards like you. > > >I ignored your message - why couldn't Ann? She is a bully and lacks empathy. >You clearly have Guru Xeno's blessings, grace and the strength of his tapas >shakti with you to file charges ASAP - 3rd degree Psychological Rape. > > >Not sure if she gets a lifetime suspension i.e. lifetime restriction of 10 >posts per week but the judge His Honor Doug B. Hamilton CVIII may at least >impose a year. > > >Hey Ann here's a sample response in lieu of your transgressions > > >-- >Dear Steve, > > >I had a chance to re-read my message. It was highly inappropriate of me to >correct your usage of penultimate, thank you Ravi for pointing out that I >missed "bombasity". > > >I can see how it can construed as making fun of people with intellectual >handicaps such as yourself. I should exercise better judgement especially when >Ravi and others have been pointing to the steady decline in your intellectual >abilities ever since your started aggressively defending The Share Long >Paradigm for the last several weeks. > > >I am really sorry to have caused you pain. Rest assured Steve I was coming >from a space of love and respect. > > > > > >On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:58 PM, seventhray27 wrote: > > >> >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: >> >>> Chill Steve. Today was made pretty wonderful by the Doc's menu. We're all >>> sitting here having a fine meal and toasting to everyone at FFL. There's >>> still time to come on down and grab a plate. (And by the way, penultimate >>> means second to the last.) Now stop being so grumpy and pull up a chair. >> >>Enjoy Ann! Enjoy! Let the revelry continue long into the night! I can't >>help it if I have a case of indigestion. Weak stomach I guess. >>P.S. Thanks for the correction. I had it completely wrong. > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song
Oh you poor, innocent Steve clearly this is an open and shut case of psychological rape on part of Ann. Everyone here at FFL is painfully aware of your, how do I say this in a sensitive, empathic way, yeah of your retardedness - did I not notice your incorrect usage of "bombasity" as well, I sure did. Did I say anything - no because I know it's not empathetic to correct retards like you. I ignored your message - why couldn't Ann? She is a bully and lacks empathy. You clearly have Guru Xeno's blessings, grace and the strength of his tapas shakti with you to file charges ASAP - 3rd degree Psychological Rape. Not sure if she gets a lifetime suspension i.e. lifetime restriction of 10 posts per week but the judge His Honor Doug B. Hamilton CVIII may at least impose a year. Hey Ann here's a sample response in lieu of your transgressions -- Dear Steve, I had a chance to re-read my message. It was highly inappropriate of me to correct your usage of penultimate, thank you Ravi for pointing out that I missed "bombasity". I can see how it can construed as making fun of people with intellectual handicaps such as yourself. I should exercise better judgement especially when Ravi and others have been pointing to the steady decline in your intellectual abilities ever since your started aggressively defending The Share Long Paradigm for the last several weeks. I am really sorry to have caused you pain. Rest assured Steve I was coming from a space of love and respect. On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:58 PM, seventhray27 wrote: > ** > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > Chill Steve. Today was made pretty wonderful by the Doc's menu. We're > all sitting here having a fine meal and toasting to everyone at FFL. > There's still time to come on down and grab a plate. (And by the way, > penultimate means second to the last.) Now stop being so grumpy and pull up > a chair. > > Enjoy Ann! Enjoy! Let the revelry continue long into the night! I can't > help it if I have a case of indigestion. Weak stomach I guess. > > P.S. Thanks for the correction. I had it completely wrong. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song
No need to get so mad at me Steve and call me names, all you had to say was you don't like Skewered Curtis and we would have not insisted. You can enjoy all the Merde du Mer you want OK? On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:48 PM, "seventhray27" wrote: > We've been here many times before. After all the bombasity that Ravi thinks > is going to throw you, or whoever he's jousting with, off course, it usually > comes down to a simple question, which he is never able to answer. Or at > least not answer without some remarkable revisionist spin. > > I guess, the best he's come up with this time, is that he's the pentultimate > liberal, not afraid to admit that he is bigot, but willing to still love > those he is predjudiced against. And Christ, it seems to have brought Raunchy > to tears. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > So did you intend it to be a stand up joke routine or not Ravi, simple > > question. > > > > Name calling is not an answer or an effective cover up. You made the absurd > > claim, now which is it? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: > > > > > > Well congratulations - it's official Curtis - you are genuinely, > > > innocently, honestly retarded. LOL. > > > > > > Your primary defensive, offensive mechanism is your self-righteous spin > > > which constantly protects your self-interest. > > > > > > You will not hesitate to pummel, pulverize, petrify truth with your > > > malicious, devious self-righteous spin in your relentless defense of your > > > perceived image, your self-interest and your POV. > > > > > > Bravo !!! > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:37 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Curtis - Now that I'm done expressing myself on this topic why don't > > > > > you reiterate your demand to Judy, raunchy and Ann to challenge me > > > > > here.> > > > > > > > > It wasn't a demand, it was an invitation. Predictably it was not taken. > > > > > > > > < Unlike you and Barry I would love to be challenged and corrected, > > > > though I may be running out of posts and have to get to it next week.> > > > > > > > > Well I haven't noticed that about you Ravi, you seem to fly off the > > > > handle pretty easily and start throwing the contents of your diaper. > > > > But you are in a protected class with them so you have nothing to worry > > > > about. (Hey what about those blacks, wink, wink.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember my other point which you ignore in your self-righteous spin > > > > > - why are my posts not stand up routines and not fall under artists's > > > > > freedom to be provocative and indulge in overt misogyny and racism if > > > > > need be.> > > > > > > > > Because you set it up carefully as being serious. Are you claiming now > > > > that you were joking and doing schtick on Republican assholes who share > > > > the views in your overgeneralized statement? > > > > > > > > Humor that makes fun of racists is really hard to do, it requires a > > > > context to make sure the audience is in on the joke. > > > > > > > > You didn't set it up that way. > > > > > > > > Here is your "stand-up" routine as you presented it: > > > > > > > > Dear Emily - I love black culture, black people for their > > > > heart-centeredness - heck I loved 2Pac's dear mama, but since I don't > > > > suffer from any White guilt and burden, nor I am I trying to spin it > > > > for a yuppie audience I will say that most of the culture is very > > > > crude, misogynistic. Who doesn't love their mom's - I am sorry - but is > > > > that enough and then you let your partner fend for herself, forcing her > > > > to have multiple children for maximum food stamps while your deadbeat > > > > ass languishes in jail. It's terribly hard to be a black woman. Fine to > > > > be sexist, misogynistic as an artistic expression in music, movie for > > > > entertainment but surely not a prescription for a modern, liberal, > > > > sophisticated society. > > > > > > > > So who else believes that Ravi was doing schtick on racist viewpoints, > > > > making fun of THEM? Was the biggest laugh line supposed to be: "I will > > > > say that most of the culture is very crude, misogynistic." > > > > > > > > Let's see the honesty committee spin this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't care if you call me a racist, I myself mock at my inner > > > > > > racist every day, laugh and mock my own mind's biases. > > > > > > > > > > > > Conservatives wallow in their racism, liberal strive to rise above > > > > > > their inner racism to meet others with compassion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Scream loud as you want at others being racist - I'm just going to > > > > > > laugh at your ignoran
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song
Hey guys - can you please keep it down? God !!! Sorry Curtis, guys threw a surprise party to celebrate my victory today. Can we have this post-mortem later - perhaps when I'm not distracted by all this gloating? On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:56 AM, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > So did you intend it to be a stand up joke routine or not Ravi, simple > question. > > Name calling is not an answer or an effective cover up. You made the absurd > claim, now which is it? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > Well congratulations - it's official Curtis - you are genuinely, > > innocently, honestly retarded. LOL. > > > > Your primary defensive, offensive mechanism is your self-righteous spin > > which constantly protects your self-interest. > > > > You will not hesitate to pummel, pulverize, petrify truth with your > > malicious, devious self-righteous spin in your relentless defense of your > > perceived image, your self-interest and your POV. > > > > Bravo !!! > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:37 AM, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Curtis - Now that I'm done expressing myself on this topic why don't > > > > you reiterate your demand to Judy, raunchy and Ann to challenge me > > > > here.> > > > > > > It wasn't a demand, it was an invitation. Predictably it was not taken. > > > > > > < Unlike you and Barry I would love to be challenged and corrected, > > > though I may be running out of posts and have to get to it next week.> > > > > > > Well I haven't noticed that about you Ravi, you seem to fly off the > > > handle pretty easily and start throwing the contents of your diaper. But > > > you are in a protected class with them so you have nothing to worry > > > about. (Hey what about those blacks, wink, wink.) > > > > > > > > > > > Remember my other point which you ignore in your self-righteous spin - > > > > why are my posts not stand up routines and not fall under artists's > > > > freedom to be provocative and indulge in overt misogyny and racism if > > > > need be.> > > > > > > Because you set it up carefully as being serious. Are you claiming now > > > that you were joking and doing schtick on Republican assholes who share > > > the views in your overgeneralized statement? > > > > > > Humor that makes fun of racists is really hard to do, it requires a > > > context to make sure the audience is in on the joke. > > > > > > You didn't set it up that way. > > > > > > Here is your "stand-up" routine as you presented it: > > > > > > Dear Emily - I love black culture, black people for their > > > heart-centeredness - heck I loved 2Pac's dear mama, but since I don't > > > suffer from any White guilt and burden, nor I am I trying to spin it for > > > a yuppie audience I will say that most of the culture is very crude, > > > misogynistic. Who doesn't love their mom's - I am sorry - but is that > > > enough and then you let your partner fend for herself, forcing her to > > > have multiple children for maximum food stamps while your deadbeat ass > > > languishes in jail. It's terribly hard to be a black woman. Fine to be > > > sexist, misogynistic as an artistic expression in music, movie for > > > entertainment but surely not a prescription for a modern, liberal, > > > sophisticated society. > > > > > > So who else believes that Ravi was doing schtick on racist viewpoints, > > > making fun of THEM? Was the biggest laugh line supposed to be: "I will > > > say that most of the culture is very crude, misogynistic." > > > > > > Let's see the honesty committee spin this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > And I don't care if you call me a racist, I myself mock at my inner > > > > > racist every day, laugh and mock my own mind's biases. > > > > > > > > > > Conservatives wallow in their racism, liberal strive to rise above > > > > > their inner racism to meet others with compassion. > > > > > > > > > > Scream loud as you want at others being racist - I'm just going to > > > > > laugh at your ignorant, sorry ass but when I meet you I will as > > > > > always, despite my contempt and disgust, rise above my judgement to > > > > > meet you with love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Curtis baby, > > > > >> > > > > >> Let me get this straight again. I totally understand your ignorant, > > > > >> self-righteous white-ass's inability to wrap this. > > > > >> > > > > >> I'm an equal opportunity racist - I have my biases, judgements on > > > > >> whites, Indians, Blacks, Hispanics, everyone including myself. I'm > > > > >> totally at peace with that, my senses constantly provide me data on > > > > >> every person - my mind filters through data, goes through set of my > > > > >> conditioning, my experi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song
Oh Barry - I have talked about Russell Peters in the past. I absolutely love the guy - it wouldn't have mattered if it was white - I have enjoyed whites mocking Indian accent as well such as The Simpsons. I recently watched a Hispanic guy, Gabriel Iglesias make fun of Indian accent and even though his accent wasn't great I still enjoyed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZISzU2sQ5s Or this - http://youtu.be/n4BpwQZBQDw If Judy, Ann, Raunchy, Emily were to protest I will request them to back off. I'm glad you were able to rise above your paranoid, delusional, emotional stunted ness to contribute here - bravo On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:38 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Humor that makes fun of racists is really hard to do, > > it requires a context to make sure the audience is > > in on the joke. > > > > You didn't set it up that way. > > > > Here is your "stand-up" routine as you presented it: > > > > Dear Emily - I love black culture, black people for > > their heart-centeredness - heck I loved 2Pac's dear > > mama, but since I don't suffer from any White guilt > > and burden, nor I am I trying to spin it for a yuppie > > audience I will say that most of the culture is very > > crude, misogynistic. Who doesn't love their mom's - > > I am sorry - but is that enough and then you let your > > partner fend for herself, forcing her to have multiple > > children for maximum food stamps while your deadbeat > > ass languishes in jail. It's terribly hard to be a > > black woman. Fine to be sexist, misogynistic as an > > artistic expression in music, movie for entertainment > > but surely not a prescription for a modern, liberal, > > sophisticated society. > > For Ravi, who doesn't understand the issue of "context" > with regard to humor. Russell is Canadian-Indian. When > *he* does schtick like this, it's funny. Try to imagine > how Ravi would react if Curtis or I said this stuff. > Try to imagine how quickly Judy and the Jets (Raunchy, > Ann, and Emily) would come rushing in to "defend" the > guy whose clueless racism they've said not a word about > and demonize *us*. Try to imagine how they're going to > react to me just posting these: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=setLfUYi8cc > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMu2QCKaFyA > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2W8aGgmn1A > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeiUly1K7h0 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiyJ9-Tvi5c > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song
Well congratulations - it's official Curtis - you are genuinely, innocently, honestly retarded. LOL. Your primary defensive, offensive mechanism is your self-righteous spin which constantly protects your self-interest. You will not hesitate to pummel, pulverize, petrify truth with your malicious, devious self-righteous spin in your relentless defense of your perceived image, your self-interest and your POV. Bravo !!! On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:37 AM, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > Curtis - Now that I'm done expressing myself on this topic why don't you > > reiterate your demand to Judy, raunchy and Ann to challenge me here.> > > It wasn't a demand, it was an invitation. Predictably it was not taken. > > < Unlike you and Barry I would love to be challenged and corrected, though I > may be running out of posts and have to get to it next week.> > > Well I haven't noticed that about you Ravi, you seem to fly off the handle > pretty easily and start throwing the contents of your diaper. But you are in > a protected class with them so you have nothing to worry about. (Hey what > about those blacks, wink, wink.) > > > > > Remember my other point which you ignore in your self-righteous spin - why > > are my posts not stand up routines and not fall under artists's freedom to > > be provocative and indulge in overt misogyny and racism if need be.> > > Because you set it up carefully as being serious. Are you claiming now that > you were joking and doing schtick on Republican assholes who share the views > in your overgeneralized statement? > > Humor that makes fun of racists is really hard to do, it requires a context > to make sure the audience is in on the joke. > > You didn't set it up that way. > > Here is your "stand-up" routine as you presented it: > > Dear Emily - I love black culture, black people for their heart-centeredness > - heck I loved 2Pac's dear mama, but since I don't suffer from any White > guilt and burden, nor I am I trying to spin it for a yuppie audience I will > say that most of the culture is very crude, misogynistic. Who doesn't love > their mom's - I am sorry - but is that enough and then you let your partner > fend for herself, forcing her to have multiple children for maximum food > stamps while your deadbeat ass languishes in jail. It's terribly hard to be a > black woman. Fine to be sexist, misogynistic as an artistic expression in > music, movie for entertainment but surely not a prescription for a modern, > liberal, sophisticated society. > > So who else believes that Ravi was doing schtick on racist viewpoints, making > fun of THEM? Was the biggest laugh line supposed to be: "I will say that most > of the culture is very crude, misogynistic." > > Let's see the honesty committee spin this one. > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > And I don't care if you call me a racist, I myself mock at my inner > > > racist every day, laugh and mock my own mind's biases. > > > > > > Conservatives wallow in their racism, liberal strive to rise above their > > > inner racism to meet others with compassion. > > > > > > Scream loud as you want at others being racist - I'm just going to laugh > > > at your ignorant, sorry ass but when I meet you I will as always, despite > > > my contempt and disgust, rise above my judgement to meet you with love. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > >> Curtis baby, > > >> > > >> Let me get this straight again. I totally understand your ignorant, > > >> self-righteous white-ass's inability to wrap this. > > >> > > >> I'm an equal opportunity racist - I have my biases, judgements on > > >> whites, Indians, Blacks, Hispanics, everyone including myself. I'm > > >> totally at peace with that, my senses constantly provide me data on > > >> every person - my mind filters through data, goes through set of my > > >> conditioning, my experiences and I have some readily available data at > > >> my disposal. This happens instantaneously Curtis baby and I understand > > >> its limitations. > > >> > > >> Here's the kicker baby - here's where a person such as you would have > > >> trouble understanding, a person who I have utter contempt and disgust > > >> for, a person who shows an utter disregard for honesty and integrity, a > > >> person whose focus is his self-interest rather than serving the cause of > > >> truth, a person who is a victim of his entertainer, narcissistic > > >> self-interest, a person who cares for adoration rather than care for the > > >> truth. > > >> > > >> It is that I can override my mind's biases, my conditioning, my likes > > >> and dislikes, my fears, insecurities, anxieties if any, to be terribly > > >> open, vulnerable, accepting and loving to anyone I meet. And your sorry > > >> self-righteous white ass can never match it, not f
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song
Curtis - Now that I'm done expressing myself on this topic why don't you reiterate your demand to Judy, raunchy and Ann to challenge me here. Unlike you and Barry I would love to be challenged and corrected, though I may be running out of posts and have to get to it next week. Remember my other point which you ignore in your self-righteous spin - why are my posts not stand up routines and not fall under artists's freedom to be provocative and indulge in overt misogyny and racism if need be. On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > And I don't care if you call me a racist, I myself mock at my inner racist > every day, laugh and mock my own mind's biases. > > Conservatives wallow in their racism, liberal strive to rise above their > inner racism to meet others with compassion. > > Scream loud as you want at others being racist - I'm just going to laugh at > your ignorant, sorry ass but when I meet you I will as always, despite my > contempt and disgust, rise above my judgement to meet you with love. > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > >> Curtis baby, >> >> Let me get this straight again. I totally understand your ignorant, >> self-righteous white-ass's inability to wrap this. >> >> I'm an equal opportunity racist - I have my biases, judgements on whites, >> Indians, Blacks, Hispanics, everyone including myself. I'm totally at peace >> with that, my senses constantly provide me data on every person - my mind >> filters through data, goes through set of my conditioning, my experiences >> and I have some readily available data at my disposal. This happens >> instantaneously Curtis baby and I understand its limitations. >> >> Here's the kicker baby - here's where a person such as you would have >> trouble understanding, a person who I have utter contempt and disgust for, a >> person who shows an utter disregard for honesty and integrity, a person >> whose focus is his self-interest rather than serving the cause of truth, a >> person who is a victim of his entertainer, narcissistic self-interest, a >> person who cares for adoration rather than care for the truth. >> >> It is that I can override my mind's biases, my conditioning, my likes and >> dislikes, my fears, insecurities, anxieties if any, to be terribly open, >> vulnerable, accepting and loving to anyone I meet. And your sorry >> self-righteous white ass can never match it, not for this life time anyway. >> >> But an ignorant, idiot like you doesn't understand all the complexities, the >> sense of guilt, burden it creates, it's easy to cloak it with >> self-righteousness isn't it? Surprisingly Steve says he understands it - so >> you are a bigger idiot than I thought. >> >> Get it Curtis baby? >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:28 AM, "curtisdeltablues" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Damn you are not patient are you Curtis baby? You are sounding as >>> > > desperate >>> > > and demanding attention as the bumbling retard Steve. >>> > > >>> > > Let me get this right - I, Curtis will go any lengths to defend artistic >>> > > expressions of gang rape, objectification and/or derogatory references >>> > > to >>> > > women but will spin Ravi as a racist because he points to a culture of >>> > > dead-beat dads burdening women with kids and leaving them at the mercy >>> > > of >>> > > federal assistance? >>> > > >>> > > Curtis baby - I'm at peace with my mind's judgement biases i.e my inner >>> > > racism, it doesn't prevent me from calling it as I see it nor meeting >>> > > people I judge with empathy. I don't cloak my burdens and guilt into >>> > > self-righteousness while promoting an ol' boy, White Mid-Western clique. >>> > > >>> > > P.S This is a lot for your ignorant, burdened brain to fucking wrap >>> > > around >>> > > - so don't bother. >>> > > >>> > > Ok as promised, a sample response with due respect to your disabilities >>> > > - >>> > > which earlier were only limited to your honesty and integrity - now >>> > > seemingly extending to the intellectual realm as well. >>> > > >>> > > --- >>> > > Hi Ravi - yes I re-read Raunchy's post again - here are the most >>> > > objectionable part of the lyrics based upon your agreement of her post. >>> > > >>> > > "I'll tell you where I found her >>> > > Lying down in the pines >>> > > A gang of boys around her >>> > > Some was higgin it >>> > > Some was kissin it >>> > > Some was huggin it >>> > > Some was kneeling down >>> > > There more rascal hangin round >>> > > Try to tear my kingdom down" >>> > > >>> > > I can see how this evokes strong images of gang-rape, the >>> > > objectification >>> > > and derogatory references to women - in the form of gang of boys, the >>> > > usage >>> > > of "it" to refer to his wife and "my kingdom" that shows his sens
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And I don't care if you call me a racist, I myself mock at my inner racist every day, laugh and mock my own mind's biases. Conservatives wallow in their racism, liberal strive to rise above their inner racism to meet others with compassion. Scream loud as you want at others being racist - I'm just going to laugh at your ignorant, sorry ass but when I meet you I will as always, despite my contempt and disgust, rise above my judgement to meet you with love. On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > Curtis baby, > > Let me get this straight again. I totally understand your ignorant, > self-righteous white-ass's inability to wrap this. > > I'm an equal opportunity racist - I have my biases, judgements on whites, > Indians, Blacks, Hispanics, everyone including myself. I'm totally at peace > with that, my senses constantly provide me data on every person - my mind > filters through data, goes through set of my conditioning, my experiences and > I have some readily available data at my disposal. This happens > instantaneously Curtis baby and I understand its limitations. > > Here's the kicker baby - here's where a person such as you would have trouble > understanding, a person who I have utter contempt and disgust for, a person > who shows an utter disregard for honesty and integrity, a person whose focus > is his self-interest rather than serving the cause of truth, a person who is > a victim of his entertainer, narcissistic self-interest, a person who cares > for adoration rather than care for the truth. > > It is that I can override my mind's biases, my conditioning, my likes and > dislikes, my fears, insecurities, anxieties if any, to be terribly open, > vulnerable, accepting and loving to anyone I meet. And your sorry > self-righteous white ass can never match it, not for this life time anyway. > > But an ignorant, idiot like you doesn't understand all the complexities, the > sense of guilt, burden it creates, it's easy to cloak it with > self-righteousness isn't it? Surprisingly Steve says he understands it - so > you are a bigger idiot than I thought. > > Get it Curtis baby? > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:28 AM, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > >> >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > Damn you are not patient are you Curtis baby? You are sounding as >> > > desperate >> > > and demanding attention as the bumbling retard Steve. >> > > >> > > Let me get this right - I, Curtis will go any lengths to defend artistic >> > > expressions of gang rape, objectification and/or derogatory references to >> > > women but will spin Ravi as a racist because he points to a culture of >> > > dead-beat dads burdening women with kids and leaving them at the mercy of >> > > federal assistance? >> > > >> > > Curtis baby - I'm at peace with my mind's judgement biases i.e my inner >> > > racism, it doesn't prevent me from calling it as I see it nor meeting >> > > people I judge with empathy. I don't cloak my burdens and guilt into >> > > self-righteousness while promoting an ol' boy, White Mid-Western clique. >> > > >> > > P.S This is a lot for your ignorant, burdened brain to fucking wrap >> > > around >> > > - so don't bother. >> > > >> > > Ok as promised, a sample response with due respect to your disabilities - >> > > which earlier were only limited to your honesty and integrity - now >> > > seemingly extending to the intellectual realm as well. >> > > >> > > --- >> > > Hi Ravi - yes I re-read Raunchy's post again - here are the most >> > > objectionable part of the lyrics based upon your agreement of her post. >> > > >> > > "I'll tell you where I found her >> > > Lying down in the pines >> > > A gang of boys around her >> > > Some was higgin it >> > > Some was kissin it >> > > Some was huggin it >> > > Some was kneeling down >> > > There more rascal hangin round >> > > Try to tear my kingdom down" >> > > >> > > I can see how this evokes strong images of gang-rape, the objectification >> > > and derogatory references to women - in the form of gang of boys, the >> > > usage >> > > of "it" to refer to his wife and "my kingdom" that shows his sense of >> > > portraying his wife's sexual organs as his private property. >> > > >> > > I think I got defensive because of my attachment to my role as an >> > > entertainer. I can now see that you are not questioning my right and >> > > creative expression as an artist and an entertainer. >> > > >> > > The fact that my GF gave a positive interpretation perhaps shows the >> > > forgiveness, the acceptance of women. And perhaps, sensing my initial >> > > unease - she was trying to make me feel better. >> > > >> > > I can appreciate your perspective of the lyrics as gang-rape and as being >> > > objectifying and degrading to women. I also know get a sense that you are >> > > portraying the lyrics
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Curtis baby, Let me get this straight again. I totally understand your ignorant, self-righteous white-ass's inability to wrap this. I'm an equal opportunity racist - I have my biases, judgements on whites, Indians, Blacks, Hispanics, everyone including myself. I'm totally at peace with that, my senses constantly provide me data on every person - my mind filters through data, goes through set of my conditioning, my experiences and I have some readily available data at my disposal. This happens instantaneously Curtis baby and I understand its limitations. Here's the kicker baby - here's where a person such as you would have trouble understanding, a person who I have utter contempt and disgust for, a person who shows an utter disregard for honesty and integrity, a person whose focus is his self-interest rather than serving the cause of truth, a person who is a victim of his entertainer, narcissistic self-interest, a person who cares for adoration rather than care for the truth. It is that I can override my mind's biases, my conditioning, my likes and dislikes, my fears, insecurities, anxieties if any, to be terribly open, vulnerable, accepting and loving to anyone I meet. And your sorry self-righteous white ass can never match it, not for this life time anyway. But an ignorant, idiot like you doesn't understand all the complexities, the sense of guilt, burden it creates, it's easy to cloak it with self-righteousness isn't it? Surprisingly Steve says he understands it - so you are a bigger idiot than I thought. Get it Curtis baby? On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:28 AM, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > wrote: > > > > > > Damn you are not patient are you Curtis baby? You are sounding as > > > desperate > > > and demanding attention as the bumbling retard Steve. > > > > > > Let me get this right - I, Curtis will go any lengths to defend artistic > > > expressions of gang rape, objectification and/or derogatory references to > > > women but will spin Ravi as a racist because he points to a culture of > > > dead-beat dads burdening women with kids and leaving them at the mercy of > > > federal assistance? > > > > > > Curtis baby - I'm at peace with my mind's judgement biases i.e my inner > > > racism, it doesn't prevent me from calling it as I see it nor meeting > > > people I judge with empathy. I don't cloak my burdens and guilt into > > > self-righteousness while promoting an ol' boy, White Mid-Western clique. > > > > > > P.S This is a lot for your ignorant, burdened brain to fucking wrap around > > > - so don't bother. > > > > > > Ok as promised, a sample response with due respect to your disabilities - > > > which earlier were only limited to your honesty and integrity - now > > > seemingly extending to the intellectual realm as well. > > > > > > --- > > > Hi Ravi - yes I re-read Raunchy's post again - here are the most > > > objectionable part of the lyrics based upon your agreement of her post. > > > > > > "I'll tell you where I found her > > > Lying down in the pines > > > A gang of boys around her > > > Some was higgin it > > > Some was kissin it > > > Some was huggin it > > > Some was kneeling down > > > There more rascal hangin round > > > Try to tear my kingdom down" > > > > > > I can see how this evokes strong images of gang-rape, the objectification > > > and derogatory references to women - in the form of gang of boys, the > > > usage > > > of "it" to refer to his wife and "my kingdom" that shows his sense of > > > portraying his wife's sexual organs as his private property. > > > > > > I think I got defensive because of my attachment to my role as an > > > entertainer. I can now see that you are not questioning my right and > > > creative expression as an artist and an entertainer. > > > > > > The fact that my GF gave a positive interpretation perhaps shows the > > > forgiveness, the acceptance of women. And perhaps, sensing my initial > > > unease - she was trying to make me feel better. > > > > > > I can appreciate your perspective of the lyrics as gang-rape and as being > > > objectifying and degrading to women. I also know get a sense that you are > > > portraying the lyrics as being alien to modern culture and not condemning > > > my artistic expression. > > > > > > Sorry I got off an tangent by calling you racist and I suppose you are > > > entitled your opinions and judgement and call it as you see fit. We both > > > here agree that artists have a freedom to be provocative. > > > > > > Thank you - it was good a exchange and helps me understand where you were > > > coming from. > > > > > > > Gee, Curtis, how'd you get to be so spin free? My washer's spin cycle had > > been getting an inferiority complex. Anyway, I'm glad Ravi's clear thinking > > has rubbed off on you. Sorry I flew off the handle projecting my bias
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Well good for you if you are able to stay open while being accepting of your mind's biases and of yours fears, anxieties and insecurities. Most I run into invariably project it onto someone else or something else. How can any white person or any person of any other race, liberal or not, not be a racist - I question that very notion. Certainly I have heard extreme racist remarks from all races - Whites, Indians, Blacks, Hispanics. The only thing you can develop is the ability to rise above the mind's biases to meet other with love and compassion. I have a problem with hypocrites, the self-righteous using the racist card - especially when their actions are highly questionable as to their honesty, integrity and accountability. It's definitely a big problem with liberals. The people who scream the loudest are the worst - it's clear they are doing the most to suppress the natural bias of the mind. On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:34 PM, seventhray27 wrote: > ** > > > plenty of biases Ravi. We all do what you describe below to a greater or > lesser extent. I don't see any need to make heavy weather about it. Aside > from taking common sense steps for personal, family, and business safety, > what I have discovered as a technique of spiritual growth is to suspend > judgment about many things. In that way my mind stays open, and I become > aware of some deeper mechanics at work in a given situation or snapshot of > life. If that sounds too vague, I am sorry, and it is not entirely clear > to me either. Although I have not read the Carlos Castenadas books for > some time, I think it may be something he also alludes to. Sort of like > looking at something not straight one, but in a more peripheral way. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM, seventhray27 steve.sundur@...wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > snip > > > > > > > Curtis baby - I'm at peace with my mind's judgement biases i.e my > inner > > > > racism, it doesn't prevent me from calling it as I see it nor meeting > > > > people I judge with empathy. I don't cloak my burdens and guilt into > > > > self-righteousness while promoting an ol' boy, White Mid-Western > clique. > > > > > > A step in the right direction. Kudos to you Ravi for admitting your > > > biases. > > > > > > > Yeah Steve bay - you got any biases, judgment of your own to share? > > > > If my mind analyzes data and lets me know that I may be robbed or get > > harmed if I go a certain part of the city - what do I do with it. My mind > > is very logical, analytical and presents the data in a clear fashion. > > > > So what do I do with it - with the complex feelings - the burden, guilt > of > > such information? Surely the human mind is a beautiful creation. Do I let > > myself frozen, cloak myself with self-righteousness - is it possible for > me > > retain this, accept this and still meet with a person with love and > > empathy? Is there a difference between me and the self-righteous liberals > > who wrap themselves in their self-righteousness and use every situation > to > > stamp others as racists? Or do I end up as a conservative who just wallow > > in their overt racism and hatred? > > > > Is such a state possible - to be accepting of myself, my mind's > judgement, > > biases, fears, anxieties yet to be alive, open, receptive, loving and > > empathetic? > > > > Is it something your mind can wrap around - the complexities of it? > > > > > > > It doesn't sound like we're going to hear from Judy on the subject. > > > > > > And they may be just as well, considering whatever it was she was > trying > > > to say regarding the challenge to her honesty. > > > > > > That was a remarkable post Curtis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM, seventhray27 wrote: > ** > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > snip > > > Curtis baby - I'm at peace with my mind's judgement biases i.e my inner > > racism, it doesn't prevent me from calling it as I see it nor meeting > > people I judge with empathy. I don't cloak my burdens and guilt into > > self-righteousness while promoting an ol' boy, White Mid-Western clique. > > A step in the right direction. Kudos to you Ravi for admitting your > biases. > Yeah Steve bay - you got any biases, judgment of your own to share? If my mind analyzes data and lets me know that I may be robbed or get harmed if I go a certain part of the city - what do I do with it. My mind is very logical, analytical and presents the data in a clear fashion. So what do I do with it - with the complex feelings - the burden, guilt of such information? Surely the human mind is a beautiful creation. Do I let myself frozen, cloak myself with self-righteousness - is it possible for me retain this, accept this and still meet with a person with love and empathy? Is there a difference between me and the self-righteous liberals who wrap themselves in their self-righteousness and use every situation to stamp others as racists? Or do I end up as a conservative who just wallow in their overt racism and hatred? Is such a state possible - to be accepting of myself, my mind's judgement, biases, fears, anxieties yet to be alive, open, receptive, loving and empathetic? Is it something your mind can wrap around - the complexities of it? > It doesn't sound like we're going to hear from Judy on the subject. > > And they may be just as well, considering whatever it was she was trying > to say regarding the challenge to her honesty. > > That was a remarkable post Curtis. > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song
Curtis baby - I think your faux self-righteous cloaked ass masquerading highly questionable honesty, integrity of yours has trouble understanding the difference between creative, provocative, expressions and its applicability to a normal daily life in a modern context. I'm a patient man - take another shot at it. Read Raunchy's post again. I'm headed out but considering your disabilities I will definitely prepare a sample response on your behalf later. On Apr 28, 2013, at 2:29 PM, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > Hilarious stuff Curtis - ever ready for your hypocritical, malicious, > > devious spin aren't you? > > > > First off it was should have been quite clear that I was allowing freedom > > for artistic expression yet not supporting it as a prescription, not > > supporting the incredible lengths you go to support derogatory references> > > to women and gang-rape. > > What part of the song represents a derogatory reference to woman and gang > rape to you Ravi? Show me one line to support that interpretation. Even my > first graders know that they have to support their POV with a detail from the > text. Let's see if you can clear the first grade level bar for justifying > your POV about the song. > > You have been mislead by watching Raunchy fly off the handle with her > projections onto the characters in the lyrics haven't you? You really don't > have anything in the actual words of the song to support this absurd > accusation. > > > > > What makes you spin me as an Indian Sean Hannity and not an artist - an > > Indian stand up?> > > Well for one thing stand-up makes the audience laugh. If you were going for > laughter doing schtick on what a republican asshole would say about black > people you lacked a set-up as a minimum. > > So is that what you are claiming about your observations about black people > and their food stamp lov'n, baby factory ways? Was it a joke? > > < Why not allow for my artistic, provocative expression > > similar to how you defend artistic expressions of gang-rape and derogatory> > > objectification of women?> > > You are too confused about too many things here to straighten anything out. > But again I give you the challenge to defend your accusations about the > purpose and meaning of the song from actual words FROM the song. > > > > > Why did your hypocritical ass not defend my attack on Indians? It's > > probably not in line with your racist, Hindu-bashing White ass is it?> > > Why would I care how you think about Indians? I am not professionally > preserving Indian culture, I am preserving an aspect of black culture. So > your idiotic statements about black people are more interesting to me. > > > > > Remember Curtis baby - I can play your game better than you.> > > Ravi you haven't even cleared the bar of coherence, or the first grade level > of supporting your POV about a work of fiction with examples from the text. > Let's start there. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:44 AM, curtisdeltablues < > > curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thank you dear raunchy - this is well stated, something I was looking > > > > forward, for you to say it this afternoon and in line with my feelings > > > > on > > > > it. > > > > > > > > It's perfectly natural for Curtis to give a spin from an artistic, > > > > entertainer perspective but the fact remains that the lyrics are very > > > > misogynistic, objectifying and degrading to women, > > > > > > Spin? To what end? To protect the author of a song long dead? We are > > > interpreting art Ravi. Even if you see the last scene as a rape it > > > expresses none of the things you claim, it would simply just be a > > > reporting > > > of a tragedy. The writer isn't condoning the behavior, he is reporting > > > what > > > happened and we are left to decide what exactly IS happening. But all > > > those > > > value judgement you are Raunchy are projecting on the story are bogus IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > hard for me to interpret the lyrics as anything but gang rape - I don't > > > > see, have never heard of any woman in any culture trying to get back at > > > > a > > > > man by sleeping with multiple men at the same time regardless of men's > > > > fantasies.> > > > > > > And you are welcome to your interpretation and your naivete about some > > > women. > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Emily - I love black culture, black people for their > > > > heart-centeredness > > > > > > Some of them are actually very well spoken as well as clean. (sometimes) > > > > > > > > > - heck I loved 2Pac's dear mama, but since I don't > > > > suffer from any White guilt and burden, nor I am I trying to spin it for > > > a > > > > yuppie audience> > > > > > > Uh oh I recognize this wind-up from Fox News... > > > > > > > > > < I wi
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Hilarious stuff Curtis - ever ready for your hypocritical, malicious, devious spin aren't you? First off it was should have been quite clear that I was allowing freedom for artistic expression yet not supporting it as a prescription, not supporting the incredible lengths you go to support derogatory references to women and gang-rape. What makes you spin me as an Indian Sean Hannity and not an artist - an Indian stand up? Why not allow for my artistic, provocative expression similar to how you defend artistic expressions of gang-rape and derogatory objectification of women? Why did your hypocritical ass not defend my attack on Indians? It's probably not in line with your racist, Hindu-bashing White ass is it? Remember Curtis baby - I can play your game better than you. On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:44 AM, curtisdeltablues < curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > wrote: > > > > Thank you dear raunchy - this is well stated, something I was looking > > forward, for you to say it this afternoon and in line with my feelings on > > it. > > > > It's perfectly natural for Curtis to give a spin from an artistic, > > entertainer perspective but the fact remains that the lyrics are very > > misogynistic, objectifying and degrading to women, > > Spin? To what end? To protect the author of a song long dead? We are > interpreting art Ravi. Even if you see the last scene as a rape it > expresses none of the things you claim, it would simply just be a reporting > of a tragedy. The writer isn't condoning the behavior, he is reporting what > happened and we are left to decide what exactly IS happening. But all those > value judgement you are Raunchy are projecting on the story are bogus IMO. > > > > hard for me to interpret the lyrics as anything but gang rape - I don't > > see, have never heard of any woman in any culture trying to get back at a > > man by sleeping with multiple men at the same time regardless of men's > > fantasies.> > > And you are welcome to your interpretation and your naivete about some > women. > > > > > Dear Emily - I love black culture, black people for their > > heart-centeredness > > Some of them are actually very well spoken as well as clean. (sometimes) > > > - heck I loved 2Pac's dear mama, but since I don't > > suffer from any White guilt and burden, nor I am I trying to spin it for > a > > yuppie audience> > > Uh oh I recognize this wind-up from Fox News... > > > < I will say that most of the culture is very crude, > > misogynistic. Who doesn't love their mom's - I am sorry - but is that > > enough and then you let your partner fend for herself, forcing her to > have > > multiple children for maximum food stamps while your deadbeat ass > > languishes in jail. It's terribly hard to be a black woman.> > > Hey Raunchy isn't it cute to hear Sean Hannity with an Indian accent? > Completely adorable! > > BTW Ravi, which specific black people are you accusing of this behavior, > or if you are accusing it in a more broad sense what percentage of black > people do you think fall into this category of men who force their women to > have more children for the welfare money while they are in prison? > > But don't sweat it, the umbridge committee wont touch this, you are > completely safe here. > > So cute! > > > < > Fine to be > > sexist, misogynistic as an artistic expression in music, movie for > > entertainment but surely not a prescription for a modern, liberal, > > sophisticated society.> > > So art needs to be a prescription for society? Why are you imposing this > idiotic standard on artistic expression? And how exactly would reporting on > a scene of a gang rape be a form of misogyny? The guy describes the scene > with one guy trying to tear his kingdom down through this act. You thought > this might be useful in Curtis bashing just as Raunchy did (hey thanks for > the sincere apology for your ridiculous nasty judgmental comments about me > before you pulled your head out and got a clue what the discussion was > about, c'est la vie, right? > > Ravi you really should stick to your drive by tourrettes trolling. The > more you write the more the real you shows up. > > > > > I love India and Hinduism but I will the first one to condemn it as a > > misogynistic culture, trust me it was no fun watching a woman struggle to > > raise kids all the while being taunted, abused by the narrow minded Hindu > > culture - why? Because she went against the society's norms and dared to > > have a boy friend - while it's OK for men to cheat secretly and indulge > in > > all kinds of repressed, perverted sexual practices. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:28 PM, raunchydog wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Raunchy, I think Curtis is correct in his interpretation, in terms of > > > historical context and what the author of those lyrics was in
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Thank you dear raunchy - this is well stated, something I was looking forward, for you to say it this afternoon and in line with my feelings on it. It's perfectly natural for Curtis to give a spin from an artistic, entertainer perspective but the fact remains that the lyrics are very misogynistic, objectifying and degrading to women, I tried hard but it was hard for me to interpret the lyrics as anything but gang rape - I don't see, have never heard of any woman in any culture trying to get back at a man by sleeping with multiple men at the same time regardless of men's fantasies. Dear Emily - I love black culture, black people for their heart-centeredness - heck I loved 2Pac's dear mama, but since I don't suffer from any White guilt and burden, nor I am I trying to spin it for a yuppie audience I will say that most of the culture is very crude, misogynistic. Who doesn't love their mom's - I am sorry - but is that enough and then you let your partner fend for herself, forcing her to have multiple children for maximum food stamps while your deadbeat ass languishes in jail. It's terribly hard to be a black woman. Fine to be sexist, misogynistic as an artistic expression in music, movie for entertainment but surely not a prescription for a modern, liberal, sophisticated society. I love India and Hinduism but I will the first one to condemn it as a misogynistic culture, trust me it was no fun watching a woman struggle to raise kids all the while being taunted, abused by the narrow minded Hindu culture - why? Because she went against the society's norms and dared to have a boy friend - while it's OK for men to cheat secretly and indulge in all kinds of repressed, perverted sexual practices. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:28 PM, raunchydog wrote: > ** > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn > wrote: > > > > Raunchy, I think Curtis is correct in his interpretation, in terms of > historical context and what the author of those lyrics was intending to > communicate to his audience, at least that's how it hits me in the moment > this morning. Â The song lyrics contain, of course, a cultural element and > there are many blues songs that speak to the black man loving his woman and > how she "done him wrong", etc., etc. Â The black culture also brings a > different attitude towards sexuality than our puritan caucasian one does > and it speaks to that as well. Â And in the black culture, it is true that > the woman is in charge. Â Smile. Â Â > > > > I hadn't followed this thread, so when I read the lyrics this morning, I > had a visceral reaction of revulsion to what evoked an image of gang rape. > I din't buy Curtis' GF's take that it was not rape but "a woman in her > power blowing off her husband and living a hedonistic fantasy." Your > initial reaction that the lyrics were more sinister may have been similar > to mine. I didn't take time to explain how I felt about the lyrics to > Curtis, first because I didn't have the time and second, at first blush I > thought his retrospective was a tad self-serving. Perhaps I was wrong about > Curtis' motivations as he claims. Regardless, it felt like spin to me, so > c'est la vie. > > But now that you agree with Curtis' interpretation and added an attempted > layer of understanding on black culture, I'll take a shot at explaining why > I reacted to the lyrics as I did. True, the woman "done him wrong" but as I > see it, in no culture does a woman consent to gang rape, ever, and > certainly not just to piss off a cuckolded spouse. Further, I don't believe > that black women are any more capable of owing their sexual power than > white women, and seems rather stereotypical. > > No doubt the guy feels victimized wallowing in "poor me" as Curtis > suggests, but no matter the cultural background, I don't believe the lyrics > imply that the woman, vis a vis the man's property, was having consensual > sex with a gang of men. I could be accused of putting my white girl > judgement on the lyrics, but in this case, I think not. So here's my > interpretation: > > > Oh you banjo roustabout > When you goin to the shore > I got a good gal on that other shore > Baby don't you want to go > > RD: He wishes his woman could go with him but since she can't, he > expresses a pang of guilt for cheating on her, "Oh you banjo roustabout," > says he, in slightly humorous self-deprecation, but, "Oh well, a man has > needs and I'm just missing you, Baby." > > > If I had an old pairs of wings > Like Noah's dove > I'd sail from pine to pine > Looking for my own true love > > Indeed, he misses his woman. Noah's dove is a wonderful metaphor. He's on > the sea without sight of shore for many days, and perhaps "pine" is a pun > for longing. > > > I'd a listened to what my momma said > I wouldn't be here today > But me being young and foolish too > women lead me astray > > RD: He regrets he didn't listen to his momma telling him not to womanize > but rather than take responsibility, h
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P.S. I recently read a Rolling Stone interview with Louis CK. I was also figuring that if you can handle his humor, you can definitely handle my "fuck you man, fuck you." Tee Hee. See, I do amuse myself here as you wouldn't have known that, but we done good this time and seeing where the conversation goes does make for some good entertainment at times. Peace out. > > From: Emily Reyn >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 12:21 PM >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song > > > > >Excellent Curtis. Really interesting. I had no idea the considerations that >go into what you do and how you look at the lyrics, etc. and who your audience >is. I'm not a musician. > > >Re: the rest of it...we're clear. I sent you my angst about the term "gang >rape" and yes, I was trying to do it in a riff. (I didn't pull out the FOAD >acronym - imagine the "Fuck you, man, fuck you" delivered by a comedian >onstage). > > >Yes, I pulled the lyrics and posted them because I was confused as to your >point to me that day. But, I'm glad I did, because the higher energy/spirit of >the music ultimately triumphed over potential hurt feelings on my part. You >made amends in my mind, through acknowledging your use of that term and going >to the effort to post an analysis of the song and then another, the one below. > > >These songs are great in one way because they reflect the reality of the day, >the relationship issues that existed, attitudes, feelings, etc. in the black >culture. Not all positive, that is for sure. But, often respectful, in a >way, because women are recognized as a force of nature in their >culture/community. Look that the relationship of the black man to his mama >still - not that it's always healthy, but it ain't no joke. > > >Gotta go for the day. Speaking of women, love this one. I'm smiling. Ha. > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7MhGtJTXjg > > > > > > > > > > >> >> From: curtisdeltablues >>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:51 AM >>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song >> >> >> >> >>I appreciate that Emily as well as your response to Raunchy's post. >> >>Great art is provocative and this discussion has deepened my respect for the >>lyrics. >> >>I also think that your mentioning the cultural context IS key to >>understanding the intent of the author. >> >>I run into this decision often in singing songs from a different historical >>and cultural context. Just last night I sang Robert Johnson's Me and the >>Devil" >> >>( I am going to point our a verse but the content is not being directed >>toward you!) >> >>I love the song because it shows how bold Robert was about the concept of the >>devil which had many of his contemporaries cowered down in fear. Here it is >>and you will immediately see the problem for modern audiences: >> >>Early this mornin' >>when you knocked upon my door >>Early this mornin', ooh >>when you knocked upon my door >>And I said, "Hello, Satan," >>I believe it's time to go." >> >>Me and the Devil >>was walkin' side by side >>Me and the Devil, ooh >>was walkin' side by side >>And I'm goin' to beat my woman >>until I get satisfied >> >>She say you don't see why >>that I will dog her 'round >>spoken: Now, babe, you know you ain't doin' me >>right, don'cha >>She say you don't see why, ooh >>that I will dog her 'round >>It must-a be that old evil spirit >>so deep down in the ground >> >>You may bury my body >>down by the highway side >>spoken: Baby, I don't care where you bury my >>body when I'm dead and gone >>You may bury my body, ooh >>down by the highway side >>So my old evil spirit >>can catch a Greyhound bus and ride >> >>For Robert this was a comedic song with the line "I'm gunna beat my woman >>till I get satisfied" pulling the biggest laugh from an audience that was >>more along the lines of Ralph Cramdon making a fist and saying "one of these >>days Alice, straight to the moon". Today this is all over the top creepy, we >>know too much. But in Robert's day women beating men were also common. (It >>was
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Excellent Curtis. Really interesting. I had no idea the considerations that go into what you do and how you look at the lyrics, etc. and who your audience is. I'm not a musician. Re: the rest of it...we're clear. I sent you my angst about the term "gang rape" and yes, I was trying to do it in a riff. (I didn't pull out the FOAD acronym - imagine the "Fuck you, man, fuck you" delivered by a comedian onstage). Yes, I pulled the lyrics and posted them because I was confused as to your point to me that day. But, I'm glad I did, because the higher energy/spirit of the music ultimately triumphed over potential hurt feelings on my part. You made amends in my mind, through acknowledging your use of that term and going to the effort to post an analysis of the song and then another, the one below. These songs are great in one way because they reflect the reality of the day, the relationship issues that existed, attitudes, feelings, etc. in the black culture. Not all positive, that is for sure. But, often respectful, in a way, because women are recognized as a force of nature in their culture/community. Look that the relationship of the black man to his mama still - not that it's always healthy, but it ain't no joke. Gotta go for the day. Speaking of women, love this one. I'm smiling. Ha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7MhGtJTXjg > > From: curtisdeltablues >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:51 AM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song > > > > >I appreciate that Emily as well as your response to Raunchy's post. > >Great art is provocative and this discussion has deepened my respect for the >lyrics. > >I also think that your mentioning the cultural context IS key to understanding >the intent of the author. > >I run into this decision often in singing songs from a different historical >and cultural context. Just last night I sang Robert Johnson's Me and the >Devil" > >( I am going to point our a verse but the content is not being directed toward >you!) > >I love the song because it shows how bold Robert was about the concept of the >devil which had many of his contemporaries cowered down in fear. Here it is >and you will immediately see the problem for modern audiences: > >Early this mornin' >when you knocked upon my door >Early this mornin', ooh >when you knocked upon my door >And I said, "Hello, Satan," >I believe it's time to go." > >Me and the Devil >was walkin' side by side >Me and the Devil, ooh >was walkin' side by side >And I'm goin' to beat my woman >until I get satisfied > >She say you don't see why >that I will dog her 'round >spoken: Now, babe, you know you ain't doin' me >right, don'cha >She say you don't see why, ooh >that I will dog her 'round >It must-a be that old evil spirit >so deep down in the ground > >You may bury my body >down by the highway side >spoken: Baby, I don't care where you bury my >body when I'm dead and gone >You may bury my body, ooh >down by the highway side >So my old evil spirit >can catch a Greyhound bus and ride > >For Robert this was a comedic song with the line "I'm gunna beat my woman till >I get satisfied" pulling the biggest laugh from an audience that was more >along the lines of Ralph Cramdon making a fist and saying "one of these days >Alice, straight to the moon". Today this is all over the top creepy, we know >too much. But in Robert's day women beating men were also common. (It was a >big problem for Charley Patton with Bertha Lee who was considerably bigger and >stronger and usually less drunk.) > >So of course I can't explain all this as the audience turns on me for singing >such a lyric so I change it to: > >"I'm gunna do my woman till we both get satisfied" to make sure that there is >not misunderstanding even adding "both". > >But here is the problem artistically. I wreck the song's comedic intention >about the battle of the sexes and turn it into some kind of sexual bravado >bragging. It wrecks the meaning of the next verses. > >"She say you don't see why >that I will dog her 'round " > >Then he blames it on the devil: > >It must-a be that old evil spirit >so deep down in the ground > >I can get a laugh out of a modern audience here by saying that he is blaming >his bad behavior on the devil but I don't think that worked any better back >then as it does today. This restores some of the original snarky intention of >the lyrics that I stepped on my making it more politically correct. > >More trouble in bluesman city: "Big fat woman" lyrics and the even worse, >"black skinned woman who shouldn't put a hand on me, while a brown skinned >woman is something fit to eat." (Yes shade racism is still common today in >the black community.) So I drop all the fat woman references (even though in >the songs it is a compliment) and they become a big legged woman, which is >more clearly complimentary, and tu
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Raunchy, I think Curtis is correct in his interpretation, in terms of historical context and what the author of those lyrics was intending to communicate to his audience, at least that's how it hits me in the moment this morning. The song lyrics contain, of course, a cultural element and there are many blues songs that speak to the black man loving his woman and how she "done him wrong", etc., etc. The black culture also brings a different attitude towards sexuality than our puritan caucasian one does and it speaks to that as well. And in the black culture, it is true that the woman is in charge. Smile. > > From: raunchydog >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:51 AM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Analysis of Routabout song > > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: >> >> This song is too beautiful to be subject to the FFL grinder. >> I looked up the original discussion and I mentioned the last verse when I >> sent the song originally with Mike Seager singing it, not when Emily posted >> the lyrics. I considered them interesting no matter what analysis you take, >> although now on closer examination, the whole context of the song makes the >> intention of the songwriter more clear. I was not sending Emily some dark >> message by pointing out the last verse for her comment. Mike mumbles his >> words a bit and I wanted to make sure I got her take on the verse to see if >> it matched my GFs. At the time it did. >> >> Emily: >> >> "Interesting take from your girlfriend - I was curious as I wasn't sure how >> to interpret what I was reading and my first take was a more sinister >> nature. I prefer your girlfriend's thought and the last line = "try to tear >> my kingdom down" leaves room for exactly what she's talking about. Ha. >> >> >> Here is my take on the meaning of the lyrics: >> >> >> > > >> > > Roustabout >> >> Technical name of a job loading at docks. >> >> > > >> > > Oh you banjo roustabout >> > > When you goin to the shore >> > > I got a good gal on that other shore >> > > Baby don't you want to go >> > > >> > > If I had an old pairs of wings >> > > Like Noah's dove >> > > I'd sail from pine to pine >> > > Looking for my own true love >> >> Idealism and romantic/naive hope expressed in those two lines. >> >> > > >> > > I'd a listened to what my momma said >> I wouldn't be here today >> > > But me being young and foolish too >> > > women lead me astray >> >> This is the key to understanding why my GF's take was more reasonable than >> my initial take on the song. (In my defense I was a little caught up in >> mastering an old time banjo style, and that sucked up most of my neurons.) >> >> In this verse we see that he had gotten played by the woman, not that she >> was a victim. He is painting himself as a victim. >> >> > > >> > > Who's gonna shoe your pretty little feet >> > > And who's gonna glove your hand >> > > And who's gonna do your rockabye >> > > When your man's in a distant land >> >> Poor me, but when I leave you THEN you'll be sorry! >> >> > > >> > > My wife left home last night >> > > I'll tell you where I found her >> >> She left voluntarily. Think of how different it would be to say : I threw >> my wife out last night... >> >> She had an appointment. >> >> > > Lying down in the pines> >> >> "Lying down" lacks any sinister overtones. >> >> > > A gang of boys around her> >> >> >> This is probably what set me off in the wrong direction originally. I >> suspect that "gang" was equivalent to "group" and had none of the modern >> overtones back then. >> >> > > Some was higgin it >> > > Some was kissin it >> > > Some was huggin it >> >> I never heard any sexual assault start by describing the initial contact >> this way. News alert: The suspect proceeded to hug and kiss the victim... >> >> >> > > Some was kneeling down> >> >> I've seen some porn. (Always accidentally when I was a victim of a pop up >> ad, I promise.) This created an image and may have been more of why I >> misunderstood it initially. >> >> > > There more rascal hangin round >> > > Try to tear my kingdom down >> > > >> > > Oh my lord. >> >> >> He is the victim, not her. He is expressing his own angst at how she just >> served his ass with a big old bucket of a man's worst nightmare for a woman >> he loves. The songwriter brilliantly took a cuckolded spouse story and >> turned it into a Tarantino thrill-o rama. >> > >So the woman leaves her man (poor sap ) and gets herself gang raped to "serve >his ass..." and *he's* the victim. Good one, Curtis. Thanks for giving us an >interesting peek into of how to change context and turn logic on it's head. >Your interpretation speaks volumes. > >> Here is another version Mike used to do that is more lighthearted: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwEdMRCP3sc >> >> I love the line: My old misses
