Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi
On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, BillyG wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives the
people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and
happiness, and because this has been the message of all the saints in the
past, they call me saint.
- transcript of recording of Maharishi Aug/Sept 1967
On the issue of begging, Guru Dev's mother told him not to become a
bhikhamangaa sadhu - 'a sadhu begging for alms'. It became a big issue
for him, in fact he later quoted the old (Persian?) proverb that 'Khudaa
(God) is frightened of the mangana ('beggar') too'
But yes, Guru Dev was the 'powerhouse' behind MMY. But, as Guru Dev
revealed the real power is with Paramatma, accessible within us all,
always. Just need to access it, however you do that. The argument is not
about TM or faith or Pajanjali or keeping the teaching pure, it is about
letting go of individual mind and experiencing Paramatma, SatChitAnand.
I appreciate that, but is that all you can find after, what, 50 years?, that
ONE ambiguous quote?, I think my point standsFWIW.
I've heard other quotes of MMY implying or stating that he was enlightened.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi
On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Premanand wrote: Let's be honest, virtually everything Maharishi convinced many of his audience that he was a model of 'enlightenment'. He didn't need to come out and say it, nor did people notice when he didn't. Around 1997, 121 Pundits came to Stroudsburg, PA (Poconos ) to do an 11 day Ati Rudra Maha Yajnam. The center is connected with the Shankaracharya of the South who sent a beautiful swami to represent him. The Swami was tall and with his danda (sp?) pole reminded me of pictures of Guru Dev. A couple of TM Siddhas, friends of mine, had a private audience with the Swami. They asked about MMY. He replied that the only thing he heard was : Apparently MMY visited the Shankaryacharya some time ago. And after MMY had left, the Shankaracharya commented to the Swami that MMY's mind was a complete mess, a supermarket, not quiet at all. It's one thing to talk about silence, it's another to actually embody it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi
On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: The conclusion is inescapable. Because stories of siddhis exist in these books, siddhis must exist. Similarly, stories of not only siddhis but fantastic creatures like dragons, trolls, etc. exist in other books. Of course they exist, and not just in books-- we've got several right on this forum, and they're far more terrifying than the ones in the books. These books are often referred to as fairytales or myths. If only. Presumably these stories should be given EXACTLY the same credence as the stories in the vedic literature or in the gospels.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi
On Jan 7, 2010, at 2:35 PM, WillyTex wrote: Premanand wrote: As Turquoise asks, then why not our own Fairy Tales too? They have a lot in common with the Purananas. Oh, but then they are not Indian or Vedic, huh! The 'Fairey Tales' of Western cultures have nothing to do with Yoga or Transcendental Knowledge, found in the Upanishads and in the Vedanta. Actually there are many parallels in Western (and really world) Fairy tales, with Vedic deva- and angiris-lore. Also notice the similarity to modern ET abduction experiences, where they are considered spiritual experiences (as opposed to provocations). Since you seem to like to read, try reading Rev. Kirk's account of the fairy-lore in Scotland, The Secret Commonwealth. I'd bet you'd enjoy it, if you were open enough.?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Premanand premanandp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The Indian word puraaNa is an adjective meaning old, ancient; and a noun meaning; tale of by-gone ages, Hindu mythology. Superpowers abound in the old tales of many nations. So why take the Indian Puranas any more seriously than say Icelandic or German tales? The existence of Patanjali's Yogadarshan does not suggest that we ignore all old Western tales and believe only the Indian ones. Or does it? You're preaching to a bunch of Peter Pans, who were taught by Maharishi to never grow up. Why should we believe the old tales of the Indians? Because that's the way of the hippie generation. Don't believe anyone over 30. Don't believe the government. Don't believe your religion. Don't believe authorities. Don't believe your parents. But do believe some fairy tales from India because India is a far away place and Indians would never lie to you, would they?
