Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
Not that much to tell, really. It was during the TM court case, the results of which kinda declared TM a religious practice w.r.t. its ability to be taught in public schools, but before the decision was actually handed down. Somebody had organized a big rally up at this church in the Palisades to stir up an anti-TM furor among the churchgoers there, most of whom probably didn't give a fuck about it. Jerry asked me to go and I did. There were about 300 people there, and a bunch of people saying all sorts of stuff about TM to imply it was a religion. In retrospect, pretty much everything they said was true and accurate, including the naming of and bowing down to Hindu gods in the puja, but of course at the time I was still chuggin' the Kool-Aid and didn't buy it. So I stood up and said a couple of the things we'd all been told to say in such situations, and then left afterwards. No one came up to ask me any individual questions, so either they thought I was the spawn of Satan (a possibility) or some brainwashed cult fanatic and not worth bothering with (also a possibility). :-) For me it was most interesting in that it was one of the first times I had ever encountered people who *challenged* all the dogma we were spouting at them. Most audiences I had spoken in front of -- be it in intro lectures or in 'advanced' ones at TM centers or on residence courses -- had just sat there and bought everything I said, or at least pretended to. Encountering an audience that *wasn't* buying what I was selling was far more interesting. I kinda wish in retrospect that one of the people who organized the whole thing had actually tried to debate me directly, but that didn't happen. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. Oh, please, please give details on this one! From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment -- again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-) So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too, waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the intro lecture bit comes on. Out of 30 minutes of recorded lecture, they gave me 30 seconds in the final cut. Color me doing my version of Otto's Disappointed! routine from A Fish Called Wanda. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c But then I thought, No problemo...TM will become so popular that I and other teachers will be having to give these televised intro lectures on a regular basis.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
Thanks, that's an interesting story. Wonder why Jerry didn't go himself? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Not that much to tell, really. It was during the TM court case, the results of which kinda declared TM a religious practice w.r.t. its ability to be taught in public schools, but before the decision was actually handed down. Somebody had organized a big rally up at this church in the Palisades to stir up an anti-TM furor among the churchgoers there, most of whom probably didn't give a fuck about it. Jerry asked me to go and I did. There were about 300 people there, and a bunch of people saying all sorts of stuff about TM to imply it was a religion. In retrospect, pretty much everything they said was true and accurate, including the naming of and bowing down to Hindu gods in the puja, but of course at the time I was still chuggin' the Kool-Aid and didn't buy it. So I stood up and said a couple of the things we'd all been told to say in such situations, and then left afterwards. No one came up to ask me any individual questions, so either they thought I was the spawn of Satan (a possibility) or some brainwashed cult fanatic and not worth bothering with (also a possibility). :-) For me it was most interesting in that it was one of the first times I had ever encountered people who *challenged* all the dogma we were spouting at them. Most audiences I had spoken in front of -- be it in intro lectures or in 'advanced' ones at TM centers or on residence courses -- had just sat there and bought everything I said, or at least pretended to. Encountering an audience that *wasn't* buying what I was selling was far more interesting. I kinda wish in retrospect that one of the people who organized the whole thing had actually tried to debate me directly, but that didn't happen. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. Oh, please, please give details on this one! From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment -- again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-) So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too, waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
Duh. Why didn't TM leaders clean latrines at MIU? Because they had dummies like us to do it for them. :-) From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Thanks, that's an interesting story. Wonder why Jerry didn't go himself? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Not that much to tell, really. It was during the TM court case, the results of which kinda declared TM a religious practice w.r.t. its ability to be taught in public schools, but before the decision was actually handed down. Somebody had organized a big rally up at this church in the Palisades to stir up an anti-TM furor among the churchgoers there, most of whom probably didn't give a fuck about it. Jerry asked me to go and I did. There were about 300 people there, and a bunch of people saying all sorts of stuff about TM to imply it was a religion. In retrospect, pretty much everything they said was true and accurate, including the naming of and bowing down to Hindu gods in the puja, but of course at the time I was still chuggin' the Kool-Aid and didn't buy it. So I stood up and said a couple of the things we'd all been told to say in such situations, and then left afterwards. No one came up to ask me any individual questions, so either they thought I was the spawn of Satan (a possibility) or some brainwashed cult fanatic and not worth bothering with (also a possibility). :-) For me it was most interesting in that it was one of the first times I had ever encountered people who *challenged* all the dogma we were spouting at them. Most audiences I had spoken in front of -- be it in intro lectures or in 'advanced' ones at TM centers or on residence courses -- had just sat there and bought everything I said, or at least pretended to. Encountering an audience that *wasn't* buying what I was selling was far more interesting. I kinda wish in retrospect that one of the people who organized the whole thing had actually tried to debate me directly, but that didn't happen. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. Oh, please, please give details on this one! From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:24 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Over that time they got used to seeing things around them that would sent had them running for the exits if they'd been allowed to see them during their first months with TM, but by the time they *did* get to see them they'd been trained to consider these things normal. *What I'm talking about is slowly lifting up off the sofa and sitting* *in midair for two to three minutes. Or stepping up off the ground in* *the desert and then flying around several feet above the ground for * *a while. * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231 -- Reply via web post https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/397618;_ylc=X3oDMTJybW1sZjA5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzM5NzYxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0MTEwMjUyMjI-?act=replymessageNum=397618 • Reply to sender turquoi...@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BFairfieldLife%5D%20TM%20and%20the%20Media%2C%20was%20Established%20in%20Being%2C%20let%20anger%20take%20over • Reply to group FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BFairfieldLife%5D%20TM%20and%20the%20Media%2C%20was%20Established%20in%20Being%2C%20let%20anger%20take%20over • Start a New Topic https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcjczNGk2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQxMTAyNTIyMg-- • Messages in this topic https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/397319;_ylc=X3oDMTM4Y2NuYjk3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BG1zZ0lkAzM5NzYxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MTEwMjUyMjIEdHBjSWQDMzk3MzE5 (118) -- Improvements in Yahoo Groups Search http://yahoogroups.tumblr.com/post/97620124611/search-improvements-in-yahoo-groups Searching for new groups to join is easier than ever. We've honed our algorithm to bring you better search results based on relevance and activity. Try it today! https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN2409%20.html https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search;_ylc=X3oDMTExaGFoanEzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGNmMTEDUEEEc2VjA21lZ2FwaG9uZQ--?query= -- To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Visit Your Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJlN2QwZDBuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTQxMTAyNTIyMg-- - New Members https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYjhmOWdtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzE0MTEwMjUyMjI- 2 [image: Yahoo! Groups] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkc205Zmc1BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzM5MjAxOTYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDc3MDc2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDExMDI1MjIy • Privacy https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html • Unsubscribe fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe • Terms of Use https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ .
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
*So, you don't want to talk about the Rotherham scandal cover-up. Go figure.* *South Yorkshire's police and crime commissioner Shaun Wright, who has resigned over the Rotherham child sex abuse scandal. Photograph: Lynne Cameron/PA* The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/16/rotherham-child-sex-abuse-pcc-shaun-wright-resigns On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer to be anyway... I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking of JH's ego. After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, which I should have done but I thought it was funny that they needed to fake it. I imagined JH coming up against Paxman on Newsnight and thought that would be unlikely to be shown on a course to people trying to rest. LOL Or was it something more sinister? Were they trying to aggrandize the research by getting us to think it had survived some sort of media scrutiny, however limp and anodyne. Lying to make us believe it because other people did? My other story concerned the day I saved the TMO from just such a fate as the interview we were talking about. We were in the Media office and a request came through to have Geoffrey Clements on a Channel 4 prog hosted by one Graham Norton. There was real excitement about it as C4 is a major channel, but I put a stop to it for the very good reason that it was post-pub viewing and Norton is a notoriously sarcastic interviewer who revels in making people uncomfortable. The whole programme is the opposite of the sort of stage the TMO, especially the leader of the NLP, would want to be on. He never would have coped either, the place would have been full of drunk teenagers laughing at him. The opposite of the sort of reception he gets in the TMO where everyone had to give him respect because he was Marshy's choice of top dog. We were better off in our stately homes away from the prying and cynical eyes of the press I thought. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Excellent find, prison boy! That reporter came in all arrogant, and muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice. I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation. It's more than a little scary that people like sometimes-rational feste don't see the insanity in this news clip that 99.99% of the world's population would see. Maharishi is just fuckin' GONE, man, which one might attribute just to senility and old age, if it weren't for the fact that most of the other people who represent the TMO in the segment are equally GONE. Bevan has never *been* more embarrassing than he was in this bit, and that's really saying something. I still think that a lot of it w.r.t. the brainwashing is the frog in the pot syndrome. Yeah, I know it's probably a real phenomenon, but the metaphor was that if you put a frog in a pot of hot water, he recognizes the threat to life and just jumps out. Put a frog in cold water and slowly raise the temperature, and he'll just sit there and
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment -- again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-) So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too, waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the intro lecture bit comes on. Out of 30 minutes of recorded lecture, they gave me 30 seconds in the final cut. Color me doing my version of Otto's Disappointed! routine from A Fish Called Wanda. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c But then I thought, No problemo...TM will become so popular that I and other teachers will be having to give these televised intro lectures on a regular basis. Not. Never happened again. Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer to be anyway... I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking of JH's ego. After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, which I should have done but I thought it was funny that they needed to fake it. I imagined JH coming up against Paxman on Newsnight and thought that would be unlikely to be shown on a course to people trying to rest. LOL Or was it something more sinister? Were they trying to aggrandize the research by getting us to think it had survived some sort of media scrutiny, however limp and anodyne. Lying to make us believe it because other people did? My other story concerned the day I saved the TMO from just such a fate as the interview we were talking about. We were in the Media office and a request came through to have Geoffrey Clements on a Channel 4 prog hosted by one Graham Norton. There was real excitement about it as C4 is a major channel, but I
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. Oh, please, please give details on this one! From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment -- again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-) So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too, waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the intro lecture bit comes on. Out of 30 minutes of recorded lecture, they gave me 30 seconds in the final cut. Color me doing my version of Otto's Disappointed! routine from A Fish Called Wanda. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c But then I thought, No problemo...TM will become so popular that I and other teachers will be having to give these televised intro lectures on a regular basis. Not. Never happened again. Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer to be anyway... I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking of JH's ego. After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, which I should have done but I thought it was funny that they needed to fake it. I imagined JH coming up against
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
hmmm, missed it. sorry. I am really shocked, really surprised, they didn't run your entire 30 minutes on national TV, and hold the rest of the news for another time. After all, its YOU. I mean, what could be more important than you, giving your intro lecture, in its entirety? Fuckers. They should produce an NBC documentary, immediately, called, WTF happened to Barry Wright? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment -- again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-) So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too, waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the intro lecture bit comes on. Out of 30 minutes of recorded lecture, they gave me 30 seconds in the final cut. Color me doing my version of Otto's Disappointed! routine from A Fish Called Wanda. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c But then I thought, No problemo...TM will become so popular that I and other teachers will be having to give these televised intro lectures on a regular basis. Not. Never happened again. Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer to be anyway... I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking of JH's ego. After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, which I should have done but I thought it was funny that they needed to fake it. I imagined JH coming up against Paxman on Newsnight and thought that would be unlikely to be shown on a course to people trying to rest. LOL Or was it something more sinister? Were they trying
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
The makeup is supposed to keep the light from reflecting off your face which can look a little strange. Back in the early 1970s the jazz trio I played in was the house band for a weekly local TV show. We got to apply that powered crap on our faces ourselves. Then a couple weeks after I learned TM who else other than Jerry Jarvis himself was a guest on the show. He looked a little shocked when one of the long haired members of the group came over to shake his hand and say Jai Guru Dev. :-D On 09/17/2014 09:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment -- again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-) So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too, waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the intro lecture bit comes on. Out of 30 minutes of recorded lecture, they gave me 30 seconds in the final cut. Color me doing my version of Otto's Disappointed! routine from A Fish Called Wanda. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c But then I thought, No problemo...TM will become so popular that I and other teachers will be having to give these televised intro lectures on a regular basis. Not. Never happened again. Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:35 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: hmmm, missed it. sorry. I am really shocked, really surprised, they didn't run your entire 30 minutes on national TV, and hold the rest of the news for another time. After all, its YOU. I mean, what could be more important than you, giving your intro lecture, in its entirety? Fuckers. They should produce an NBC documentary, immediately, called, WTF happened to Barry Wright? *If they are not there to video tape the Rama guy levitating hundreds of times, why would anyone be there to video tape Barry giving an introductory lecture standing on the church grounds?* ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment -- again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-) So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too, waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the intro lecture bit comes on. Out of 30 minutes of recorded lecture, they gave me 30 seconds in the final cut. Color me doing my version of Otto's Disappointed! routine from A Fish Called Wanda. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c But then I thought, No problemo...TM will become so popular that I and other teachers will be having to give these televised intro lectures on a regular basis. Not. Never happened again. Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. -- *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer to be anyway... I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking of JH's ego. After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I wonder when it was broadcast? I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader,
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM and the Media, was Established in Being, let anger take over
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:35 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: hmmm, missed it. sorry. I am really shocked, really surprised, they didn't run your entire 30 minutes on national TV, and hold the rest of the news for another time. After all, its YOU. I mean, what could be more important than you, giving your intro lecture, in its entirety? Fuckers. They should produce an NBC documentary, immediately, called, WTF happened to Barry Wright? If they are not there to video tape the Rama guy levitating hundreds of times, why would anyone be there to video tape Barry giving an introductory lecture standing on the church grounds? Maybe Barry can dust himself off, dust off his Intro Lecture, dust of his atrofied brain (see, you should have kept up with that meditation thing) and... ...stage a comeback! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Back in the day, I got to use up about 30 seconds of my Warholian 15 minutes of fame on NBC Nightly News. I don't remember the year, but it was post-Beatles and possibly post- or during-the-Merv thang. At any rate,TM was Big News, and of all the stations in L.A., NBC got there first with their request to do a show about this new fad. I didn't work at TM National those days, but I did work at MIU Press, and was around 1015 Gayley a lot, giving intro and advanced lectures, and I guess Jerry Jarvis saw me give a few and liked what he saw, because he pulled me aside one day and asked if I would drive out into the San Fernando Valley that evening and give a TM intro lecture there, so it could be videotaped. I said, Sure, figuring How hard could it be...I do this stuff all the time. Then I got to the hall and there was this team of two reporters, two camera guys, one sound guy, and one gal whose function seemed to be makeup and wardrobe. My cheap initiator suit must have passed muster, because she didn't bother me about that, but she did try to get me to wear makeup, which I declined. Then they set up some lights, set the cameras on tripods, and proceeded to film a normal, everyday TM intro lecture in the Valley, talking loudly amongst themselves through the whole lecture. Videotape is cheap, and they must have had a lot of it, because they shot at least half an hour of my talk, maybe more. Then they disassembled their equipment -- again right in the middle of my lecture -- and walked out without even bothering to thank me for my contribution to their show and the television arts in general. My first taste of Hollywood. :-) So I wait for the show to actually be broadcast, and because Jerry told me when it would be on my parents are actually watching at their house, too, waiting to see their boy on national TV, and the intro lecture bit comes on. Out of 30 minutes of recorded lecture, they gave me 30 seconds in the final cut. Color me doing my version of Otto's Disappointed! routine from A Fish Called Wanda. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvbQ4wJak_c But then I thought, No problemo...TM will become so popular that I and other teachers will be having to give these televised intro lectures on a regular basis. Not. Never happened again. Jerry *did* ask me to go to a big-assed church in Pacific Palisades one night when they were having a TM is really a cult rally and stand up for TM. And I even did it. THAT was pretty interesting...far much more so than my brief media drive-by on NBC Nightly News. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer to be anyway... I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the interviewer asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking of JH's ego. After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner and the conversation was of the order of wasn't that fascinating? I
