Re: [farsiweb]heh + hamzeh

[C Bobroff]

> not specify anything about broken fonts, or fonts that are not suitable
> for some purpose or other.
I was checking it with Arial MS Unicode, Tahoma.


> solution, if it's non-stnadard. After all, Persian support is far from
> complete and stable in Windows and Internet Explorer.
Yes, I can only get it to work if these 2 conditions are met.
Well, I'm glad you say it's "far from complete". I would hate to
think Persian has to remove this one character from circulation just
because  at this moment in time, the technology is not up to
dealing with it. I hope some unemployed genius who has been alerted
to the problem following this discussion or later finds it in
the archives will figure it out!

> These fonts are more than non-standard. They use U+0629 for it, which
> belongs to TEH MARBUTA. No surprise with a more standard font you see it
> that way.
Hmm. I didn't know that.  How did this situation come to pass? I have
been wondering all this time since teh marbuta is also used in
Persian, why this could be when there are plenty of free keys available.
Who started this? Do you know anything of the history of these fonts.


> I don't know. You have a problem NOW, I was discussing the problem of
ok. Sorry if I misunderstood. It did appear to me that people involved
in the technical issues thought that this character is no longer used
therefore the solution was to get rid of it and the technical
challenges it poses. I hope you can see how I could have been led
to think this!

Thanks for generously responding,
Connie

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Re: [farsiweb]heh + hamzeh

[Roozbeh Pournader]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, C Bobroff wrote:

> > thing. He may look at the charts, and he will either choose U+06D5, or
> >  (HEH, HAMZA ABOVE),
> I guess you mean U+0654.

Yes. Just a typo.

> In any case, neither is acceptable. The hamzeh ends up really high above
> the heh depending on the font.

You should find a better font, or create one yourself, then. Unicode does
not specify anything about broken fonts, or fonts that are not suitable 
for some purpose or other. It only specifies how you should encode the 
text. There are mechanisms in OpenType, AAT, or Graphite fonts who provide 
mechanisms for 'accent positioning' (as they call it).

> Well, I'm unable to understand all this and I guess I'm wasting your
> time which was not my intention.

No, your more than welcome.

> If you have any suggestion of how I can make a web page with the character
> heh+hamzeh, please let me know.

I don't have any objections if you use U+06C0, or anything else that makes
your web page display as you wish, as long as you don't propagate your
solution, if it's non-stnadard. After all, Persian support is far from
complete and stable in Windows and Internet Explorer.

> I can type it very nicely in any of the usual Persian fonts (nazanin,
> roya, koodak, etc) but it comes out as teh marbuta on a computer without
> these fonts installed and for which Times New Roman is the default
> browser font.

These fonts are more than non-standard. They use U+0629 for it, which
belongs to TEH MARBUTA. No surprise with a more standard font you see it
that way.

> Of course, even if the TNR font adds this character today, it will be
> years before everyone has downloaded the updated version.

It should have the U+06C0, but it may not be adequate for your purposes.

> Unless you can give some other advice, I think I'll just have to
> find a way to embed a font with this character on my webpage. Maybe
> even this won't work. ???

I don't know. You have a problem NOW, I was discussing the problem of
future, and what is the correct usage. All this thread started that way. 
See the first mail in the thread:

http://lists.sharif.edu/pipermail/farsiweb/2002-May/000242.html

roozbeh

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