Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
2008/1/28 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream
> > gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome?
>
> It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their
> bugzilla...
>
> Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over
> files and folders in Nautilus...
>
> BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How
> useful is GNOME-VFS → GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no
> difference...

Is Gnome in such a bad state that they can't include a patch? What is
going on with gnome? I see KDE team doing some amazing stuff with KDE4
and I wonder how they can do it and gnome can't do such "simple"
things...

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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
> So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream
> gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome?

It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their
bugzilla... 

Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over
files and folders in Nautilus...

BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How
useful is GNOME-VFS → GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no
difference...

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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread David Nielsen

man, 28 01 2008 kl. 01:31 +0100, skrev Valent Turkovic:
> 2008/1/28 David Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > søn, 27 01 2008 kl. 22:07 +0100, skrev Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek:
> >
> > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> > > > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > see it in fedora if possible.
> > > > > > What do you thing about it?
> > > > > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine
> > > > >
> > > > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream
> > > > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything?
> > >
> > > Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu
> > > patch :> . Forgotten :> .
> >
> > The detached menu patch has not been forgotten, the code was
> > unacceptable for upstream. However now someone has taken the concept and
> > started writing a nicer solution for this which is being evaluated for
> > inclusion.
> 
> So when detached menu patch hits upstream then this gtk transparent
> engine will work on all gnome desktops? Awesome!

No.. then the "mac" style menu will work. The alpha transparency patch I
haven't followed.


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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
2008/1/28 David Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> søn, 27 01 2008 kl. 22:07 +0100, skrev Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek:
>
> > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> > > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> > > >
> > > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to
> > > > > see it in fedora if possible.
> > > > > What do you thing about it?
> > > > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine
> > > >
> > > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied.
> > > >
> > >
> > > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream
> > > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything?
> >
> > Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu
> > patch :> . Forgotten :> .
>
> The detached menu patch has not been forgotten, the code was
> unacceptable for upstream. However now someone has taken the concept and
> started writing a nicer solution for this which is being evaluated for
> inclusion.

So when detached menu patch hits upstream then this gtk transparent
engine will work on all gnome desktops? Awesome!

Valent.


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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread David Nielsen

søn, 27 01 2008 kl. 22:07 +0100, skrev Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek:
> Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> > >
> > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to
> > > > see it in fedora if possible.
> > > > What do you thing about it?
> > > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine
> > >
> > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied.
> > >
> > 
> > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream
> > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything?
> 
> Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu
> patch :> . Forgotten :> .

The detached menu patch has not been forgotten, the code was
unacceptable for upstream. However now someone has taken the concept and
started writing a nicer solution for this which is being evaluated for
inclusion.



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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> > 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> > >
> > > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to
> > > > see it in fedora if possible.
> > > > What do you thing about it?
> > > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine
> > >
> > > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied.
> > >
> >
> > How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream
> > if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything?
>
> Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu
> patch :> . Forgotten :> .
>

So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream
gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome?

Valent.

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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> >
> > > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to
> > > see it in fedora if possible.
> > > What do you thing about it?
> > > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine
> >
> > It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied.
> >
> 
> How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream
> if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything?

Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu
patch :> . Forgotten :> .

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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
>
> > I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to
> > see it in fedora if possible.
> > What do you thing about it?
> > The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.
> >
> > [1]
> > http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine
>
> It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied.
>

How special is the "special patch" ? Will it be incorporated upstream
if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything?


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Re: Firefox Trunk tangoified

2008-01-27 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
> And about the firefox tangofied.. do you have a screenshot? i rather
> don't install it yet (did so a few days ago but reverted back to 2.0).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/livio-pl/2223173100/



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Linux Distro Pedestal.
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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to 
> see it in fedora if possible.
> What do you thing about it?
> The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine

It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied.

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Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?

2008-01-27 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 17:14 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:
> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> >> I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a 
> >> contrast to gtk close button?
> > 
> > 22x22
> 
> look at a icon I have in Firefox now under Fedora 8:
> http://www.zshare.net/image/69245898a962e7/
> 
> Firefox 3 close tab button looks way out of place and too big for me 
> compared to close window button.

Try Trunk. I had big button too (which I liked!). Now it's "normal",
because I do not like 16x16 close icon. It's ugly.

http://img.wklej.org/images/77069shot.png

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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Chabchoub Chiheb
+1
it's beautiful !!

2008/1/27, Valent Turkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to
> see it in fedora if possible.
> What do you thing about it?
> The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.
>
> [1]
>
> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine
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Re: Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Mark
2008/1/27, Valent Turkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to
> see it in fedora if possible.
> What do you thing about it?
> The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.
>
> [1]
> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine

That's looking good!

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Re: Firefox Trunk tangoified

2008-01-27 Thread Mark
2008/1/27, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> I want to tell you the good news.
>
> Firefox in Trunk is now better tangoified :) !
> Still some icons are missing, but Firefox is nearer its release :) .
>
> I think that you should see what progress is being made and try to make
> Echo so beautiful and vibrant.
>
> Imo, the current Echo has no life and its perspective doesn't play well
> with GNOME nor KDE (most of GNOME apps are going to use Tango!, not Echo
> and KDE apps are going to use Oxygen).
>
> PS: I wonder is some beautiful day Fedora can be tangoified so well. Now
> I'm filing bugs against different programs, about hardcoded pixmaps.
> Also, some of our config tools names should be included in
> icon-naming-utils (freedesktop.org specs).
>
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I think you have made your point clear now about the echo bashing.
(you bash on it as often as you can). The people who make Echo will
likely not like your continuous bashing.

And about the firefox tangofied.. do you have a screenshot? i rather
don't install it yet (did so a few days ago but reverted back to 2.0).

And for Oxygen. I personally think that Echo is a nice attempt but
won't really get off the ground in a distribution anytime soon so
perhaps Oxygen can be used. It's a (nearly) finished icon theme
anyway.

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Re: Imagine

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi

Imagine a theme around this

http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/19/happyhappyjoyjoy/

Rahul


+1 for fedora happyhappy theme :)

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Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a 
contrast to gtk close button?


22x22


look at a icon I have in Firefox now under Fedora 8:
http://www.zshare.net/image/69245898a962e7/

Firefox 3 close tab button looks way out of place and too big for me 
compared to close window button.


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Re: [Echo]Update on accessories-dictionary icon

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Martin Sourada wrote:

On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 22:15 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:

I had a busy week with a lot of assignment for Graphic Design class. As a
result, it took me long to update the icons. Here is the set of icons using a
magnifying class to symbolize the dictionary. Feel to suggest otherwise.



Somehow I still don't recognise this as dictionary icon, this one looks
to me like content search or something. Maybe putting a flag on the book


To me also this looks like search of some sort...

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Re: Hi Fedora Art list!

2008-01-27 Thread Martin Sourada

On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 16:18 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> I have little experience with matroska container can you please point 
> out the most obvious advantages it has over ogg container.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_container_formats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGM
http://www.matroska.org/

Obviously, it has wider support of the content inside (you can have
there audio/video/subtitles in almost any codec/format you have in
mind), it's also good for streaming, supports dvd-like menus. And,
though not that important, quoting from their homepage: "Matroska aims
to become THE standard of multimedia container formats."

Martin


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Re: Hi Fedora Art list!

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Martin Sourada wrote:

On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 08:58 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Jan 22, 2008 7:52 AM, Colby Hoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly
out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with
gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out
there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world.

Now that fedoratv is public knowledge let's take a moment and re-cap
where things stand on what we've been poking at.

Fedoratv needs work, but its basically where we want to drive Fedora
related content as a place to dogfood open codecs associated tools by
generating our own project relevant content. Open media isn't going to
get better until we have a real reason to use it. Fedoratv will be the
open service where the Fedora's media needs will be met.

But Fedoratv is just the service, we also need to make client side
video editting an out-of-box reality. It doesn't have to be perfect,
it just has to be good enough so that people can edit content for
consumption on fedoratv.  Let me explain what we need to be able to
ship out-of-the-box in Fedora on the clientside.
1)reliable dv camera capture for some subset of camera hardware
2)kino as the default dv video editor which can export into ogg theora
video for upload to fedoratv

Okay so where are the problems:
First... firewire and dv cameras.  There have been some technical
problems with the new kernel firewire stack which have seen
improvement in update f8 kernels.
Speaking of which, Colby, does firewire dv capture work for you in the
latest f8 kernels?


A basic stripped down kino which can take raw dv and export to theora
is absolutely doable.
You don't get access to control over interlacing (via gst-ffmpeg
plugin) and other things which semi-profession video people will want.
But for basic community web content, it will export theora with a
vorbis audio stream.  On top of that if ffmpeg is on the system kino
is smart enough to see it and enable more export options.

The only problem is, we've no out-of-the-box way to convert use theora
video clips as source material in kino.  Kino internally uses dv, and
through the magic of ffmpeg it can import other formats and convert
them internally to dv.  The problem is we don't have a Fedora
shippable way to convert theora to dv, as far as I can tell.  And
that's a problem.  It would be extremely useful if people could take
theora screencasts as source material into kino to mix with dv
footage, and re-export as theora again.

Yes, yes.. video purist out there are cringing at the thought of
mixing dv and compressed video, but the goal here is good enough for
fedoratv.. not good enough for professional sport drink commercials.
The state of video is such that we can't wait for a profession quality
open editor tool to fall out of the sky. We have to start here, and
then find people willing to take up the challenge to create the next
generation of open editting tools so we can produce even better
content.

So how do we get theora vids converted to dv for kino to use as source
material? I do not know.  Stripping down a version of ffmpeg as
something shippable in fedora is a near impossible task, and would
require legal review regardless.   I haven't found an existing
gstreamer plugin that lets me do it that could in the future be
promoted to 'good' and shipped in fedora.  So if someone knows a way
to convert theora to dv out-of-the-box in fedora right now, I want to
know how to do it.  Kino lets you add custom import scripts, so once
we have a commandline way to do the conversion, kino gains it as an
import method.

-jef



Seems cool, one question though. Are you considering using the matroska
container for the videos available for download as well? I believe it is
superior to ogm/flv in many areas.

Thanks,
Martin


I have little experience with matroska container can you please point 
out the most obvious advantages it has over ogg container.


Thanks.

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Re: Hi Fedora Art list!

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Jan 22, 2008 9:41 AM, Colby Hoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

FedoraTV is working for images - I'm trying to keep that as I think it's
pretty important. I've uploaded a couple so far as tests. It's also
supporting audio - I think that's just as important,


Audio only content will be HUGE.  Once we start making competent
screencasted activity tutorials... being able to submit alternative
audio tracks for videos makes it a hell of a lot easier to re-compose
localized versions of the vids without having to re-shoot the vids.

-jef


If there will be a possibility for videos to have multiple language 
tracks that will be awesome and something really revolutionary! I 
haven't heard or seen anybody doing that online but maybe somebody has, 
you never know.


Valent.

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Re: Hi Fedora Art list!

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Jan 22, 2008 9:18 AM, Jeff Spaleta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Jan 22, 2008 9:13 AM, Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Are there any plans to communicate what Fedora TV actually is to people
who didn't go to fudcon in a scalable way?

That's what I'm trying to do in this thread!

fedoratv is a codebase is pretty rough around the edges.
I believe greg is putting the hosts.fedoraproject.org instance in
place so that the right people can start tracking issues.  The beta on
the branding is no lie.


I just uploaded a fudcon photo.
http://fedoratv.com/vlog/spoleeba?photo=1


The browsing is really...rough.  My photo is uploaded but its not
showing up in the browsable materialbut it did in fact upload :->

-jef


I tried uploading one png and it failed for me. I'll give you a 
screenshot in hope it helps you in some way. I'm not complaining as I'm 
not expecting it to work, I know it is still in development.


http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/fedoratv.png


Valent.

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Re: Hi Fedora Art list!

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Jan 22, 2008 7:52 AM, Colby Hoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly
out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with
gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out
there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world.


Now that fedoratv is public knowledge let's take a moment and re-cap
where things stand on what we've been poking at.


First to say I love FedoraTV! It is a fabulous idea!
Questions:
1. Why not fedoratv.org ?
2. When will fedoratv work with swfdec? Now flash videos work only with 
proprietary flash plugin.


Valent

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Re: fedora 9 codenames

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

Hi,

I'm really not satisfied. Names suggested as F9 codenames are worst
than... PoKeMons.


Relax, it will grow on you.
I personally didn't like it the first time but when I read the story 
behind the name I liked it :) I'm starting to like feodra way of doing 
things :)


Valent.

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Transparency :)

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to 
see it in fedora if possible.

What do you thing about it?
The screenshots look amazingly beautiful.

[1] 
http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine


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Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a 
contrast to gtk close button?


22x22


That means nothing to me :(

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Firefox Trunk tangoified

2008-01-27 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
Hi,

I want to tell you the good news.

Firefox in Trunk is now better tangoified :) !
Still some icons are missing, but Firefox is nearer its release :) .

I think that you should see what progress is being made and try to make
Echo so beautiful and vibrant.

Imo, the current Echo has no life and its perspective doesn't play well
with GNOME nor KDE (most of GNOME apps are going to use Tango!, not Echo
and KDE apps are going to use Oxygen).

PS: I wonder is some beautiful day Fedora can be tangoified so well. Now
I'm filing bugs against different programs, about hardcoded pixmaps.
Also, some of our config tools names should be included in
icon-naming-utils (freedesktop.org specs).

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Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?

2008-01-27 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
> I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a 
> contrast to gtk close button?

22x22

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Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?

2008-01-27 Thread Valent Turkovic

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 02:46 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:

2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 00:16 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze:


Hi,
I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One
thing I noticed are the "X" for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit
off because they are much thicker and bigger that "X" for closing the
firefox.
Usually parent obects have everything bigger than "child" objects. This
looks strange because tabs which all are "children" to main firefox
window have bigger "X".

It is not a big thing, just something to check out.

Cheers,
Valent.

Screenshot, please.

If you're using newer GNOME icon theme, remember - there's bigger
gtk-close icon used.

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http://www.zshare.net/image/6905622d744055/

ps. I tried uploading it to fedoratv site but I get some strange error :(


Exactly as I thinked. Bigger icon in the icon theme.
I think the button looks now better and it's a usability feature (PS:
all close buttons should be 22x22 imo).


I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a 
contrast to gtk close button?


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