Re: State of Fedora Education Artwork
María Leandro wrote: something like this? http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-science-pe.png I like this one better but maybe with *less* bright colors. http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-education-pe.png (just draws) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: State of Fedora Education Artwork
María Leandro wrote: just another idea http://tatica.org/tux/fedora-edu-wp2-wide.png Sorry, but I not think this one is a good idea, it is disturbingly similar to http://images.google.com/images?q=vista+boxbtnG=Search+Images -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FedoraQA Art Request
María Leandro wrote: I was reading the Artwork Design Service and some ideas came up on the FedoraQA open request. I was talking a little with jlaska at the IRC channel and this are two propositions. (draws). Hope some like it :D http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA.png http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA2.png Here the requester has the final word, but I like better the first one. Maybe with the graphic (magnifier and window) a little to the left. And with the window title bar bright blue, as in default Nodoka, so it looks like Fedora. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Game graphics needed - Project: Starfighter
Erick Henrique wrote: Hi Hans and Nicu See the 2 ships that I drew for the Starfighter game. Later sending the other conceptual images and avatars. This is interesting, I would like to see how they look inside the game. When to conclude the other ships I will generate one pixel art to see as they are the sprites in the compiled game. I can publish in wiki of the project to starfighter my progress? Sure, please do. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Klaatu wrote: I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts. But I am known to be paranoid. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Happy 5th Birthday banner - Italian version
Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: I have done a translation of the banner to Spanish, following your banners as template. However, I don't seem to have the fonts you guys used to create the banner (on F9)... At any rate, I have used URW Gothic L in substitution, this is work in progress as I'll most likely use another font, just a quick prototype to see how it looks in Spanish. yum install -y mgopen-fonts Read more about this font and why we are using it here:http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Complementary_Font -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level Blade_White Copy as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other effect of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a new question? Cheers Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 9:01:03 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Klaatu wrote: I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts. But I am known to be paranoid. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level Blade_White Copy as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other effect of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a new question? Cheers Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 9:01:03 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Klaatu wrote: I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts. But I am known to be paranoid. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:50 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level Blade_White Copy as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other effect of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a new question? I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the others? This is the point. And *is related to some issues and questions* about Samuele work. Luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 47th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 A celebrity is a person who is known for his well-knownness. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Samuele Storari wrote: Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a new question? Well, Klaatu asked and I answered to the best of my knowledge. I have not waited until the last day, this is something I said all along, see [1], but didn't make much fuss about it as the most likely scenario is that *Solar* will be used in F10 and the license of InvinXible will not matter that much. [1] - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1081998postcount=67 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
- Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 12:42:16 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Samuele Storari wrote: Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a new question? Well, Klaatu asked and I answered to the best of my knowledge. Yes, but the leave out the sarcasm. we don't need it :D We don't need too to continue in this useless argument. I think both have understand. I have not waited until the last day, this is something I said all along, see [1], but didn't make much fuss about it as the most likely scenario is that *Solar* will be used in F10 and the license of InvinXible will not matter that much. [1] - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1081998postcount=67 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Luca Foppiano wrote: I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the others? The real goal is to create a Free theme, using as much as possible Free tools, by a team working in an open and collaborative process. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Happy 5th Birthday banner
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 09:53 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 12:13 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote: I like this overall, but the text on the banner sounds like we're closing shop. If we could somehow add and many more or something similar to it, it'd be better in my opinion Maybe Thank you, Fedora Community, for five great years and counting! ...or ...five great years so far! Hmm, that's a lot of text, but hopefully you design types -- with a better eye than mine -- can figure out a way to make it work properly. I tried doing this myself this morning, without any luck or success. If anyone can get this banner working this morning, I'll talk to the admins about putting it up tonight. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FedoraQA Art Request
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: María Leandro wrote: I was reading the Artwork Design Service and some ideas came up on the FedoraQA open request. I was talking a little with jlaska at the IRC channel and this are two propositions. (draws). Hope some like it :D http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA.png http://tatica.org/tux/FedoraQA2.png Here the requester has the final word, but I like better the first one. Maybe with the graphic (magnifier and window) a little to the left. And with the window title bar bright blue, as in default Nodoka, so it looks like Fedora. It's probably also good to get the fedora and QA text aligned on the same baseline -- the former seems a bit higher off the reflection than the latter. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:50 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level Blade_White Copy as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other effect of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a new question? Samuele, I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino, and collected some desktop backgrounds when Kill Bill Vol. 1 was going to be released. One of the backgrounds features a katana sword which looks to me to be identical to the one in your source .XCF file: http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg When we talk about having an entirely free desktop theme, it means that *all* the elements must be created from free sources. Is this sword graphic -- the one used in the Kill Bill poster and apparently your source -- available for free use, modification, and distribution? If it is, there's absolutely no problem with the InvinXble theme. If it's not then we can't use this theme for Fedora 10. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Happy 5th Birthday banner
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 15:06 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: I tried doing this myself this morning, without any luck or success. If anyone can get this banner working this morning, I'll talk to the admins about putting it up tonight. I think this should do it... Superb! We just spoke with Ricky in IRC so I *think* this is on its way to the web site, but just in case, let me make that request here... if anyone wants me to file a ticket, I'm happy to do so! Personally I would love to have this up on the site for about 15 days. A couple weeks is not too long a time to celebrate 5 years of one awesome community. :-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. Katana is for most similar: I link for u some photo so u can see what I mean: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scumfrog/222867694/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/scumfrog/134196791/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ Take a look to the Hilt of every singol katana, it looks like the same cos it's basically the same for the most katanas u see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2851011556/in/set-72157607053787890/ the Blade wasn't the same cos the blade was totally recreated. Take a look to the source file and please post something similar. Taking about particulars: the grain under the ribbon on the grip is similar for all katana in the world and not a trademark. The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. Ok, if u don't wont to use InvinXble don't use it, but don't try to find some excuses to do it. Just do it and stop. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork \included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers.\ fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 13:57:04 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:50 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level Blade_White Copy as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other effect of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a new question? Samuele, I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino, and collected some desktop backgrounds when Kill Bill Vol. 1 was going to be released. One of the backgrounds features a katana sword which looks to me to be identical to the one in your source .XCF file: http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg When we talk about having an entirely free desktop theme, it means that *all* the elements must be created from free sources. Is this sword graphic -- the one used in the Kill Bill poster and apparently your source -- available for free use, modification, and distribution? If it is, there's absolutely no problem with the InvinXble theme. If it's not then we can't use this theme for Fedora 10. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Samuele Storari wrote: Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming no shit? The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
2008/9/23 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Samuele Storari wrote: Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming no shit? And yet.. The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv ...it surprises you that an iconic image of a katana which he already admitted to using as inspiration contains a katana of a similar design.. when katanas are pretty much the same, I mean it looks exactly like the replica my friend has hanging on his wall as well, will you accuse him of stealing that as well? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
U can exclaim exactly what do u want. Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES U use the round 1 image. Other? U know what's the problem? Since the first round u try to push my works down. InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago but I made all u request to continue work. Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. Collaboration is a great word. Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little test, nothing. I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, but where's the 3rd round of gears? Where're something new? I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is only a fake contest. U wanna Win? I don't care a damn to Win, wanna see Gears everywhere? Use ur work no prob. We are here Again and again argumenting on my work. With this last mail I close up. Do wath u wanna do but don't try to make it real. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 14:27:59 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Samuele Storari wrote: Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming no shit? The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
David... Yes I admit... I stoled it. Say to your friend that now he can come to me to get back his own katana. :D Thanks Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: David Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 14:41:48 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community 2008/9/23 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Samuele Storari wrote: Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming no shit? And yet.. The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv ...it surprises you that an iconic image of a katana which he already admitted to using as inspiration contains a katana of a similar design.. when katanas are pretty much the same, I mean it looks exactly like the replica my friend has hanging on his wall as well, will you accuse him of stealing that as well? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
request to join art team
Hi guys.. I'd like to (finally) join the Fedora Art team.. -[Proper]- I've helped out on DVD artwork stuff, contributed a few samples, built visual remixes on your ideas and a shot a few fedora inspired photos too . (most mentioned on this list or peer to peer with other art team members) I'd also like to mention my vote for solar (pending acceptance to the team) My backup vote is for neon (should solar get disqualified for copyright concerns over the underlying moon photograph) Anyway, goodnight (there's a typhoon on here) Zzzz Andy ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? I find this presumption extremely offensive. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Honestly I can't see the problem. In round 1, as Samuele said, there was a question about the origin of katana (all sword look like a peace of iron with an handle) and there was a discussion about it... Samuele posted a photo to shown the start point of his image... and you (I don't know who... but someone) have decided to go ahead also with Invixble! In this moment there is again the same question about Katana in the photo... I think you if you are not sure (also with all probations about katana) you have to STOP the vote over that theme. I'm not in agreement with this decision... but I think this is a stupid discussion during the FINAL vote after all themes was selected for final round! Bye Marco -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Luca Foppiano wrote: I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the others? We have had egregious violations of copyright and image licensing in the past, due to a misunderstanding of licensing and copyright law. A big reason for the Fedora art team producing its own work is that we can be confident that the artwork in Fedora is openly licensed and freely distributable. When artwork that is not properly licensed is thrown into Fedora, it not only goes against the guidelines of Fedora but it entirely defeats the purpose of us creating our own artwork. Part of the stated purpose of the art team is to create artwork that can be freely re-usable. Artwork that incorporates other works that have a restrictive license cannot meet this goal. We are as strict on this license policy as any other team is strict on code licensing. There is no special treatment here. I certainly hope a theme with questionably-licensed imagery does not win the vote. If it does, I will be up all night every night this week re-making the artwork to make sure our artwork can be Free. I am sick this week so a series of late nights will not be good for my health. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: U can exclaim exactly what do u want. Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES U use the round 1 image. Other? U know what's the problem? Yes, I do know what the problem is: you appear to be taking Fedora's license policies personally. Please don't. Since the first round u try to push my works down. InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago but I made all u request to continue work. Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. What are you talking about? Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. Collaboration is a great word. Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little test, nothing. And you did NOTHING on anyone else's proposals either. Collaboration is two-way. I actually did do some work on Solar because I liked it, but you seemed to get extremely offended when I asked how you created part of the image when I was working with it so I backed off and never posted my work. I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. Wow, this mailing list and all the forums are filled with praise for your themes, yet you are unsatisfied?!! We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, but where's the 3rd round of gears? Where're something new? I worked on gears. I decided to stop working on it because I liked Solar and wanted it to win. I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is only a fake contest. I'm sorry, I find this extremely offensive as well. You are full of vinegar today aren't you? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Marco Mornati wrote: In this moment there is again the same question about Katana in the photo... I think you if you are not sure (also with all probations about katana) you have to STOP the vote over that theme. If invixble wins, and there is still a question over the licensing of the katana image, I will re-make the artwork if necessary. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Yes... I'm in agreement with you Máirín... we can't have a NO.Licenses Image inside Fedora... that it's completely free! My question is... why now? There are user voting also Invinxible theme... and are all lost. There were a licensing doubt over that theme... why it's in the final round? Anyway... in my opinion there are many photo creative commons that shown us the invinxible theme origin... Bye Marco On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Luca Foppiano wrote: I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the others? We have had egregious violations of copyright and image licensing in the past, due to a misunderstanding of licensing and copyright law. A big reason for the Fedora art team producing its own work is that we can be confident that the artwork in Fedora is openly licensed and freely distributable. When artwork that is not properly licensed is thrown into Fedora, it not only goes against the guidelines of Fedora but it entirely defeats the purpose of us creating our own artwork. Part of the stated purpose of the art team is to create artwork that can be freely re-usable. Artwork that incorporates other works that have a restrictive license cannot meet this goal. We are as strict on this license policy as any other team is strict on code licensing. There is no special treatment here. I certainly hope a theme with questionably-licensed imagery does not win the vote. If it does, I will be up all night every night this week re-making the artwork to make sure our artwork can be Free. I am sick this week so a series of late nights will not be good for my health. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 12:04 +0200, Luca Foppiano wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:50 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level Blade_White Copy as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other effect of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a new question? I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the others? This is the point. And *is related to some issues and questions* about Samuele work. The Artwork team treats art in Fedora just like the developers and packagers treat code. There is a simple solution to any problems with the artwork in question -- Samuele, just replace any image that is not freedom-licensed with one that is! :-) It's absolutely OK to be inspired by something that's non-free. Using non-free elements for examples for the first round (or two) is probably even OK. But at this point in the cycle, you should have replaced any non-free elements with free ones. If you do that, there is no reason the theme can't be in Fedora. The only thing standing in the way is the non-free element you're using. Fedora is all about giving our users and contributors freedom -- freedom to use, modify and redistribute, now and always. If we were to give them artwork that doesn't have that level of freedom, we would be putting a legal burden on them. That's not the right thing to do, and it's not in the letter or spirit of how Fedora works. All we're asking is that the contributors to our themes live by the same rules as everyone else who contributes to Fedora. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:33 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: I worked on gears. I decided to stop working on it because I liked Solar and wanted it to win. Me too... I can't vote but I'm happy to read this! :) Marco -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:35 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Marco Mornati wrote: In this moment there is again the same question about Katana in the photo... I think you if you are not sure (also with all probations about katana) you have to STOP the vote over that theme. If invixble wins, and there is still a question over the licensing of the katana image, I will re-make the artwork if necessary. ~m Ok thanks for the answer Máirín... For me was so strange the decision to have an image not creative commons in the final round! As I said yesterday... maybe what many people said over fedora forum (specially in french one): I don't want an arm on my desktop shown that there is also another problem around that theme... Marco -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: request to join art team
Andy Fitzsimon wrote: Hi guys.. I'd like to (finally) join the Fedora Art team.. -[Proper]- I've helped out on DVD artwork stuff, contributed a few samples, built visual remixes on your ideas and a shot a few fedora inspired photos too . (most mentioned on this list or peer to peer with other art team members) ... and many more. Andy, I just added you to the group, but your account andyfitz is marked as inactive in the Fedora Account System (you have to change the password after the recent intrusion) I'd also like to mention my vote for solar (pending acceptance to the team) My backup vote is for neon (should solar get disqualified for copyright concerns over the underlying moon photograph) As soon as you reactivate your account, you should be allowed to vote by the voting app. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
David Nielsen wrote: ...it surprises you that an iconic image of a katana which he already admitted to using as inspiration contains a katana of a similar design.. when katanas are pretty much the same, I mean it looks exactly like the replica my friend has hanging on his wall as well, will you accuse him of stealing that as well? Um, did you watch the ogv Nicu posted? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
I'm little sad about our discussion. I think everyone loud his voice more than necessary, the only problem with my image is the hilt? Ok, but why waitin the last day to say it? I understand your position, and believe me I've got nothing with u don't take me bad. I worked a lot for adv agency and I know the prob with copyR, I really do my best to create something usable and free, I'm new to the concept of FREE in the open source and I think (maybe wrong) that my work will work right (sorry for bad grammar). Sorry if I same like vinegar today but i fell under attack and i try to defend my self. I'm glad u like Solar. I think we (all) have to take this discussion as a new start. Maybe I wrong, maybe U (not U u...) are wrong, I work alone and maybe I do some error. Next time I will be glad if someone help me. Cheers and sorry Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 15:26:49 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Luca Foppiano wrote: I completely agree! Sometime I don't understand which is the real goal: find *the best* fedora theme or do whatever to try to denigrate the others? We have had egregious violations of copyright and image licensing in the past, due to a misunderstanding of licensing and copyright law. A big reason for the Fedora art team producing its own work is that we can be confident that the artwork in Fedora is openly licensed and freely distributable. When artwork that is not properly licensed is thrown into Fedora, it not only goes against the guidelines of Fedora but it entirely defeats the purpose of us creating our own artwork. Part of the stated purpose of the art team is to create artwork that can be freely re-usable. Artwork that incorporates other works that have a restrictive license cannot meet this goal. We are as strict on this license policy as any other team is strict on code licensing. There is no special treatment here. I certainly hope a theme with questionably-licensed imagery does not win the vote. If it does, I will be up all night every night this week re-making the artwork to make sure our artwork can be Free. I am sick this week so a series of late nights will not be good for my health. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Paul W. Frields wrote: Using non-free elements for examples for the first round (or two) is probably even OK. I don't think it should be, absolutely not if the artwork is going to be uploaded to our wiki. We have always said, if you are using artwork you did not create to make a proposal, that's fine, but you need to get permission from the creators. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: I'm little sad about our discussion. I think everyone loud his voice more than necessary, the only problem with my image is the hilt? Ok, but why waitin the last day to say it? Nicu and I brought up our concerns with the licensing of this imagery weeks ago, so please do not pose this as your artwork being questioned at the last minute. This is clearly evidenced in the mailing list archives. I *TRUSTED* you when you assured me weeks ago that you had changed the photos to a properly-licensed photo. It appears that you did not. I am very disappointed and angry right now. I worked a lot for adv agency and I know the prob with copyR, I really do my best to create something usable and free, I'm new to the concept of FREE in the open source and I think (maybe wrong) that my work will work right (sorry for bad grammar). This is irresponsible and unacceptable in any venue, not just one where Free artwork is to be produced. This is no more acceptable when creating closed-license artwork. While I have never worked for a professional design agency, as a former teaching assistant I know that students in design programs who violate licensing like this can be giving a failing grade for their class, if not expelled from school entirely. Sorry if I same like vinegar today but i fell under attack and i try to defend my self. We are not attacking you personally. You are attacking us personally. I'm glad u like Solar. I think we (all) have to take this discussion as a new start. Maybe I wrong, maybe U (not U u...) are wrong, I work alone and maybe I do some error. Next time I will be glad if someone help me. I would find it a lot easier to work with you if you didn't get offended when I asked how you did something so I can work on your artwork. I would also find it a lot easier to work with you if you didn't make all of the offensive statements you've made here and if you had not completely violated my trust. It will definitely take quite some time for me to feel less hurt over this. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Hi Marco, Marco Mornati wrote: Yes... I'm in agreement with you Máirín... we can't have a NO.Licenses Image inside Fedora... that it's completely free! My question is... why now? There are user voting also Invinxible theme... and are all lost. There were a licensing doubt over that theme... why it's in the final round? This is absolutely not last-minute. I brought up licensing concerns to Samuele weeks ago on this very list and he assured me he was switching any photos with bad licenses to other ones with good licenses. I am really angry that I was misled. Here is the thread from the archives: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00326.html That message was posted four weeks ago. It would have given Samuele plenty of time to replace the imagery, which he said he was doing: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00334.html ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Hi Marco, Marco Mornati wrote: Ok thanks for the answer Máirín... For me was so strange the decision to have an image not creative commons in the final round! I was unaware the image wasn't properly licensed as again, it had been brought up earlier and Samuele assured us he would replace it. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:33 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Samuele Storari wrote: U can exclaim exactly what do u want. Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES U use the round 1 image. Other? U know what's the problem? Yes, I do know what the problem is: you appear to be taking Fedora's license policies personally. Please don't. Yes, remember that the Fedora stance on freedom is there to make sure that anyone who receives Fedora can also modify and redistribute it to others. If our content violates that precept, it means we've failed our users. I'm sure that Samuele doesn't want that to happen. If he can use his actual photo or some other free element to replace the katana in the image, there's not a problem. (There is the question of the images hosted on the Fedora wiki that include this non-free stuff, but we can handle that separately.) Since the first round u try to push my works down. InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago but I made all u request to continue work. Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. What are you talking about? Yeah, I don't get this at all. I *love* Solar and have been saying that since it was first introduced! Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. Collaboration is a great word. Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little test, nothing. And you did NOTHING on anyone else's proposals either. Collaboration is two-way. I actually did do some work on Solar because I liked it, but you seemed to get extremely offended when I asked how you created part of the image when I was working with it so I backed off and never posted my work. I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. Wow, this mailing list and all the forums are filled with praise for your themes, yet you are unsatisfied?!! We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, but where's the 3rd round of gears? Where're something new? I worked on gears. I decided to stop working on it because I liked Solar and wanted it to win. I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is only a fake contest. I'm sorry, I find this extremely offensive as well. You are full of vinegar today aren't you? Let's all take a moment to cool down a bit. Samuele, maybe we haven't done a good job explaining all the requirements for free art in Fedora, or why we have those requirements. I'd be happy to help explain that further if it doesn't make sense to you. Or if there's something you disagree on, let's talk about it. Honestly, there's only a few things that need to happen: * Replace any non-free elements with free ones. Really, the original artist should take the opportunity to do this rather than have the task fall on others. But there's no reason it can't be a team effort if Samuele asks for help. * Fix the wiki to remove any non-free stuff, with an appropriate note of explanation. * It would be nice if we knew the actual source of the image instead of guessing. What if it's actually free, and we just don't know it because we don't know the source? Until then, we have to assume it's not, of course. -- Paul W. Frields (Sorry to open the can of worms this morning.) gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: request to join art team
Thanks Nicu Here are the links for anyone else having to do the reactivation: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-September/msg9.html https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/New_signing_key https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_new_signing_key Andy On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Andy Fitzsimon wrote: Hi guys.. I'd like to (finally) join the Fedora Art team.. -[Proper]- I've helped out on DVD artwork stuff, contributed a few samples, built visual remixes on your ideas and a shot a few fedora inspired photos too . (most mentioned on this list or peer to peer with other art team members) ... and many more. Andy, I just added you to the group, but your account andyfitz is marked as inactive in the Fedora Account System (you have to change the password after the recent intrusion) I'd also like to mention my vote for solar (pending acceptance to the team) My backup vote is for neon (should solar get disqualified for copyright concerns over the underlying moon photograph) As soon as you reactivate your account, you should be allowed to vote by the voting app. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: request to join art team
wait, those links are in regards to signed packages. not fedora account membership (man im a top poster... sorry :-/ ) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Final_Steps is the correct link/. /me wipes mud off face On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Andy Fitzsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Thanks Nicu Here are the links for anyone else having to do the reactivation: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-September/msg9.html https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/New_signing_key https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_new_signing_key Andy On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Andy Fitzsimon wrote: Hi guys.. I'd like to (finally) join the Fedora Art team.. -[Proper]- I've helped out on DVD artwork stuff, contributed a few samples, built visual remixes on your ideas and a shot a few fedora inspired photos too . (most mentioned on this list or peer to peer with other art team members) ... and many more. Andy, I just added you to the group, but your account andyfitz is marked as inactive in the Fedora Account System (you have to change the password after the recent intrusion) I'd also like to mention my vote for solar (pending acceptance to the team) My backup vote is for neon (should solar get disqualified for copyright concerns over the underlying moon photograph) As soon as you reactivate your account, you should be allowed to vote by the voting app. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: request to join art team
On 2008-09-23 10:31:36 PM, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: wait, those links are in regards to signed packages. not fedora account membership You should be able to just request a password reset at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/resetpass. Thanks, Ricky pgpZYTlZnIalS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Policy on works using unacceptable licenses?
Hi folks, Since it is now clear we have some licensing issues with at least one of the candidates for the theme, I would like to hear your thoughts on what we should do. Since the vote is in art team members' hands I think it's our call to decide what to do next. Here are the options as I see them and/or as have been suggested to me: 1 - disqualify invinXble as a theme, even if invinXble wins, the 2nd-place winner will win 2 - if invinXble (or any theme that has photos we aren't able to source) wins, replace any sourced photographs in it with properly-licensed ones 3 - disqualify any themes that use images we cannot find properly-licensed photo source references for. For what it's worth, anyway, here are my thoughts: I've considered option 1 because I think it would make it quite clear that as a team we can not and will not tolerate risks to Fedora's freedom. While I can understand an accidental slip-up or misunderstanding, I cannot understand deception taken to this degree over time (posting multiple fake sources, 'cover ups' in the source files, repeated denials, broken promises) and I don't want us to look as if we endorse that kind of behavior in any way. If invinXble ends up being the default for Fedora, at least for myself, it would be a continual reminder of this deception even if it was repaired. As for option 2, I have offered to do the work needed but I also understand this may be quite some work and we *cannot* slip and miss the preview release. It's may need to involve me going to Boston Museum of Fine Arts for a katana shoot... Consider this the 'making lemonade out of lemons' option. I don't know if 3 is really a viable option; it will be a lot of work to replace source photos we aren't sure of, but it will also be a lot of work to expand the other two themes to a final state. (both Neon and Grub need grub and syslinux designs and overall refinement.) I do think that in their current state, inviXble and potentially Solar are not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora. I think Solar will be easier to repair than invinXble. The moon photo in Solar is not as visible and central as the katana photo in invinXble. ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon#Round_2 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Education on image licensing and freedom
Hi folks, Did any of you joining the art team have doubts/questions/confusion over copyright law and licensing as it pertains to the usage of externally-sourced images used in artwork? Were you unsure of what licenses were acceptable to use in Fedora artwork? What kinds of questions / uncertainties did you have, if any? I think we may need to get better at making clear our expectations with respect to sourced image licensing. For some time now, we have had the following statement on the main artwork wiki page [1]: # All contributions must be covered by the Contributor License Agreement . We cannot accept contributions from individuals who have not signed the CLA in the Fedora Account System . The CLA allows us to properly license artwork submissions for distribution with Fedora and other Fedora projects. # Submissions must respect artwork licensing. If your submissions consist of artwork created by other people, please make sure the license of the original work you incorporate is compatible with Fedora and that you are not violating any of the provisions of its license. Just because a work is licensed with a Creative Commons license does not mean it is free to use (make sure you provide attribution to artists that license their work with a CC Attribution clause.) Are there any issues with this text? Does it need to be modified or expanded to be made more clear? Should it be copied to every main theme process page (eg /Artwork/F10Themes)? Here are some of my proposals at making our licensing policies more clear: 1) Have a written statement our wiki's upload form [2] that you agree that you are uploading content that belongs to you and you are licensing to Fedora under the CLA or that belongs to someone else and you have permission to upload it under a Fedora-appropriate license; 2) Maybe we could do some kind of comic strip on image licensing and link to it from our front Artwork wiki page and also post it to planet Fedora. We could use Nicu's templates :) If there are common questions / confusions that you have about licenses, let me know and we can come up with a list of topics for the comic to address. 3) We should require references to any source images used in proposed themes, including author, URL of where the image was acquired, and its license. I know it can be hard to keep track and get in the way of the creative process, but I also think it's really important to avoid this situation in the future and have some insurance in case some questions come up later. I like how Michael posted the texture source photo on his Neon proposal page [3]. Maybe we should require a source mediawiki gallery page for each theme proposal? It might be cool after each theme process is over to then aggregate all the source images used in one area of the wik. We'll then have a built-in stock gallery of properly-licensed images for future projects. I think making this a base requirement for a theme submission to proceed through the rounds process will ensure that submitters fill it out. As part of the submission promotion process, maybe one or two of us could volunteer to be theme 'nannies' and verify the source references in order for it to proceed forward. I also think making it a part of the process will perhaps come off as less confrontational as it has been interpreted here. What do you think? Is there anything else you can think of to make our licensing policies more clear and easier-to-follow? ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Fedora_Artwork_Guidelines [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon#Round_2 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Education on image licensing and freedom
The rules and licensing issues were clear to me when I joined a few months ago. I think a quick reference guide on what is ok to use and what is not ok to use might be a good idea, though, just because i think everyone must get a little confused from time to time about what combination of magic letters (CC-SA-BY, CC-SA-ND, CC-BY-ND-WTF etc) = free. All in all, the third option makes sense to me. Whether one agrees with it or not, we have to deal with licensing and ownership of images. And whether you're doing graphic design, or filmmaking, or music with sampling...you have to keep track of what your sources are, and you have to be responsible for them. -klaatu On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi folks, Did any of you joining the art team have doubts/questions/confusion over copyright law and licensing as it pertains to the usage of externally-sourced images used in artwork? Were you unsure of what licenses were acceptable to use in Fedora artwork? What kinds of questions / uncertainties did you have, if any? I think we may need to get better at making clear our expectations with respect to sourced image licensing. For some time now, we have had the following statement on the main artwork wiki page [1]: # All contributions must be covered by the Contributor License Agreement . We cannot accept contributions from individuals who have not signed the CLA in the Fedora Account System . The CLA allows us to properly license artwork submissions for distribution with Fedora and other Fedora projects. # Submissions must respect artwork licensing. If your submissions consist of artwork created by other people, please make sure the license of the original work you incorporate is compatible with Fedora and that you are not violating any of the provisions of its license. Just because a work is licensed with a Creative Commons license does not mean it is free to use (make sure you provide attribution to artists that license their work with a CC Attribution clause.) Are there any issues with this text? Does it need to be modified or expanded to be made more clear? Should it be copied to every main theme process page (eg /Artwork/F10Themes)? Here are some of my proposals at making our licensing policies more clear: 1) Have a written statement our wiki's upload form [2] that you agree that you are uploading content that belongs to you and you are licensing to Fedora under the CLA or that belongs to someone else and you have permission to upload it under a Fedora-appropriate license; 2) Maybe we could do some kind of comic strip on image licensing and link to it from our front Artwork wiki page and also post it to planet Fedora. We could use Nicu's templates :) If there are common questions / confusions that you have about licenses, let me know and we can come up with a list of topics for the comic to address. 3) We should require references to any source images used in proposed themes, including author, URL of where the image was acquired, and its license. I know it can be hard to keep track and get in the way of the creative process, but I also think it's really important to avoid this situation in the future and have some insurance in case some questions come up later. I like how Michael posted the texture source photo on his Neon proposal page [3]. Maybe we should require a source mediawiki gallery page for each theme proposal? It might be cool after each theme process is over to then aggregate all the source images used in one area of the wik. We'll then have a built-in stock gallery of properly-licensed images for future projects. I think making this a base requirement for a theme submission to proceed through the rounds process will ensure that submitters fill it out. As part of the submission promotion process, maybe one or two of us could volunteer to be theme 'nannies' and verify the source references in order for it to proceed forward. I also think making it a part of the process will perhaps come off as less confrontational as it has been interpreted here. What do you think? Is there anything else you can think of to make our licensing policies more clear and easier-to-follow? ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Fedora_Artwork_Guidelines [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon#Round_2 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
I was frankly confused on what I was voting on, which is why I asked for clarification on this in the first place. I did not want to vote on InvinXible as it was only to have a different sword in the final product. I didn't mean to wait til the last minute, I jsut didn't understand why in the last moments, the final version of the art -- with the new sword -- had not yet been developed. It wasn't an effort to pick on Samuele, it was just an effort to vote on something I felt comfortable and safe on voting for. - klaatu On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Marco, Marco Mornati wrote: Yes... I'm in agreement with you Máirín... we can't have a NO.Licenses Image inside Fedora... that it's completely free! My question is... why now? There are user voting also Invinxible theme... and are all lost. There were a licensing doubt over that theme... why it's in the final round? This is absolutely not last-minute. I brought up licensing concerns to Samuele weeks ago on this very list and he assured me he was switching any photos with bad licenses to other ones with good licenses. I am really angry that I was misled. Here is the thread from the archives: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00326.html That message was posted four weeks ago. It would have given Samuele plenty of time to replace the imagery, which he said he was doing: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00334.html ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Education on image licensing and freedom
Klaatu a écrit : The rules and licensing issues were clear to me when I joined a few months ago. I think a quick reference guide on what is ok to use and what is not ok to use might be a good idea, though, just because i think everyone must get a little confused from time to time about what combination of magic letters (CC-SA-BY, CC-SA-ND, CC-BY-ND-WTF etc) = free. All in all, the third option makes sense to me. Whether one agrees with it or not, we have to deal with licensing and ownership of images. And whether you're doing graphic design, or filmmaking, or music with sampling...you have to keep track of what your sources are, and you have to be responsible for them. +1 speaking as graphic designer in training. Luya signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community
Yes... maybe you are right. But I think that anyway theme could have some mods also after vote. But it's true that, for example with Invixible theme, if you decide to change the katana, maybe the result couldn't be beautiful like current version. Marco On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:06 -0700, Klaatu wrote: I was frankly confused on what I was voting on, which is why I asked for clarification on this in the first place. I did not want to vote on InvinXible as it was only to have a different sword in the final product. I didn't mean to wait til the last minute, I jsut didn't understand why in the last moments, the final version of the art -- with the new sword -- had not yet been developed. It wasn't an effort to pick on Samuele, it was just an effort to vote on something I felt comfortable and safe on voting for. - klaatu On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marco, Marco Mornati wrote: Yes... I'm in agreement with you Máirín... we can't have a NO.Licenses Image inside Fedora... that it's completely free! My question is... why now? There are user voting also Invinxible theme... and are all lost. There were a licensing doubt over that theme... why it's in the final round? This is absolutely not last-minute. I brought up licensing concerns to Samuele weeks ago on this very list and he assured me he was switching any photos with bad licenses to other ones with good licenses. I am really angry that I was misled. Here is the thread from the archives: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00326.html That message was posted four weeks ago. It would have given Samuele plenty of time to replace the imagery, which he said he was doing: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00334.html ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Policy on works using unacceptable licenses?
2008/9/23 Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, Since it is now clear we have some licensing issues with at least one of the candidates for the theme, I would like to hear your thoughts on what we should do. Since the vote is in art team members' hands I think it's our call to decide what to do next. Here are the options as I see them and/or as have been suggested to me: 1 - disqualify invinXble as a theme, even if invinXble wins, the 2nd-place winner will win 2 - if invinXble (or any theme that has photos we aren't able to source) wins, replace any sourced photographs in it with properly-licensed ones 3 - disqualify any themes that use images we cannot find properly-licensed photo source references for. For what it's worth, anyway, here are my thoughts: I've considered option 1 because I think it would make it quite clear that as a team we can not and will not tolerate risks to Fedora's freedom. While I can understand an accidental slip-up or misunderstanding, I cannot understand deception taken to this degree over time (posting multiple fake sources, 'cover ups' in the source files, repeated denials, broken promises) and I don't want us to look as if we endorse that kind of behavior in any way. If invinXble ends up being the default for Fedora, at least for myself, it would be a continual reminder of this deception even if it was repaired. As for option 2, I have offered to do the work needed but I also understand this may be quite some work and we *cannot* slip and miss the preview release. It's may need to involve me going to Boston Museum of Fine Arts for a katana shoot... Consider this the 'making lemonade out of lemons' option. I don't know if 3 is really a viable option; it will be a lot of work to replace source photos we aren't sure of, but it will also be a lot of work to expand the other two themes to a final state. (both Neon and Grub need grub and syslinux designs and overall refinement.) I do think that in their current state, inviXble and potentially Solar are not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora. I think Solar will be easier to repair than invinXble. The moon photo in Solar is not as visible and central as the katana photo in invinXble. I would favor option 2 with the understanding that a proper policy be written and must be agreed upon when submitting artwork for Fedora in the future. This way we do not lose the two most developed themes this late in the game and we still get to correct the problem. This at least would be similar to what we have done in other parts of the distro when such unfortunate issues have arisen. - David ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Policy on works using unacceptable licenses?
David Nielsen wrote: I would favor option 2 with the understanding that a proper policy be written and must be agreed upon when submitting artwork for Fedora in the future. I don't understand. This is the case today. We've had a clearly written policy on our wiki page for at least a year now, and anyone submitting anything to the wiki has agreed to the CLA. What next steps would you suggest here? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Education on image licensing and freedom
2008/9/23 Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, Did any of you joining the art team have doubts/questions/confusion over copyright law and licensing as it pertains to the usage of externally-sourced images used in artwork? Were you unsure of what licenses were acceptable to use in Fedora artwork? What kinds of questions / uncertainties did you have, if any? I think we may need to get better at making clear our expectations with respect to sourced image licensing. For some time now, we have had the following statement on the main artwork wiki page [1]: # All contributions must be covered by the Contributor License Agreement . We cannot accept contributions from individuals who have not signed the CLA in the Fedora Account System . The CLA allows us to properly license artwork submissions for distribution with Fedora and other Fedora projects. # Submissions must respect artwork licensing. If your submissions consist of artwork created by other people, please make sure the license of the original work you incorporate is compatible with Fedora and that you are not violating any of the provisions of its license. Just because a work is licensed with a Creative Commons license does not mean it is free to use (make sure you provide attribution to artists that license their work with a CC Attribution clause.) Are there any issues with this text? Does it need to be modified or expanded to be made more clear? Should it be copied to every main theme process page (eg /Artwork/F10Themes)? Overall I think it's fine, maybe the wiki could supplement with a few simple examples of do and don'ts, such as: * Unsure about source licensing terms, don't use it. * Unable to document source licensing terms, don't use it. It's my experience that humans often respond better to such guidelines, the above is great from a legal stance but it does not always mean the human mind thinks through all the possible scenerios. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Legal issues with InvinXble? (I doubt so)
Hi, I haven't read the whole discussion yet, but I feel greatly disappointed with what I read so far. First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the Moons were already removed from the artwork, next there is the problem in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana. But that's beyond the point - we all know, the original katana had some licensing issues and Samuele just wasn't educated enough in that area to discover them himself. What I'd like to point out is that Nicu is greatly wrong there - the image that is packaged in Fedora and the Round 3 designs in wiki have definitely different katana. It's obvious that the blade is based on the image Samuele provided, and it's also obvious that the hilt is different from the original image (look at it more closely, it has slightly different design and also slightly different lighting), I cannot say though, which image it is based on and if it's OK, but I think I can trust Samuele, when he says: I've taken this image and done these editions, and if the source image is OK, then I would not follow the issue further. Samuele, don't get hindered by those concerns, I believe both Mo and Nicu are just trying to prevent any legal issues that might arose in the future otherwise, and be patient with them - you have my full support! Just link to the very images you work with (and talk about) to support your claims, it might be just some misunderstanding somewhere. Just try to not get angry in your e-mails because it only adds fuel to the fire. Calm yourself before you post anything ;-) And BTW., please, please, please, set-up your mail client to use Re: instead of R: in the subject when replying - sometimes it breaks the threading feature in Evolution and also it's not very pleasing to read subjects like: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community. Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Legal issues with InvinXble? (I doubt so)
Hi, Martin Sourada wrote: I haven't read the whole discussion yet, but I feel greatly disappointed with what I read so far. First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the Moons were already removed from the artwork There is still a moon in the latest artwork. Check the XCF and see. , next there is the problem in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana. Open up the XCF and see and be 100% sure. But that's beyond the point - we all know, the original katana had some licensing issues and Samuele just wasn't educated enough in that area to discover them himself. I think we were pretty clear in explaining the issues at the time. What I'd like to point out is that Nicu is greatly wrong there - the image that is packaged in Fedora and the Round 3 designs in wiki have definitely different katana. It's obvious that the blade is based on the image Samuele provided, and it's also obvious that the hilt is different from the original image (look at it more closely, it has slightly different design and also slightly different lighting), It is very obvious if you download the round 3 XCF from here: http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/06/Invinxible_2054x1536.xcf.bz2 And open as layer this Kill Bill wallpaper: http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg flip the kill bill wallpaper vertically. hide all layers but the 'da sword' layer and the kill bill layer in the xcf. Nudge the images to go on top of each other. You don't even need to resize them. It's undeniable that the hilts of the swords are exactly the same. Samuele, don't get hindered by those concerns, I believe both Mo and Nicu are just trying to prevent any legal issues that might arose in the future otherwise, and be patient with them - you have my full support! Just link to the very images you work with (and talk about) to support your claims, it might be just some misunderstanding somewhere. This image was listed as being the source image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ Are you kidding me? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Legal issues with InvinXble? (I doubt so)
Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, I haven't read the whole discussion yet, but I feel greatly disappointed with what I read so far. First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the Moons were already removed from the artwork, next there is the problem in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana. But that's beyond the point - we all know, the original katana had some licensing issues and Samuele just wasn't educated enough in that area to discover them himself. (read to the end) I didn't believe it either but when you look at the layers of the image you can see it. Attached is (on the left) the image of the Da Sword layer of the invinXible theme and on the right section of the image from http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg (fair use). Along with the stones used to cover up the second and third holes. I think sstorari was rather naive thinking he can get away with something like this and the implications would have been very embarrassing if it wasn't picked up before release (I could see the geek media headlines now). I don't think he realised these implications at the time. *But* I do respect the ability of learning based on mistakes and judging by the fact that he, apparently, is staying up all night to try and correct his errors, he is now probably much wiser about the repercussions of this than than the average person. He has less broken the CLA and should at this stage come fully clean, sign it again and I think people will find it in their hart to forgive him. I think that the reworked designs will probably be just as good (if not better) than the submitted ones. I really do hope he does not get turned off from the community as his work is really excellent and I don't think he should let this bitter his experience. The biggest thing I learned from personally contributing or watching others contribute to open source projects and have their work discussed publicly is that people (especially me) take this stuff more personally that necessary. inline: compare.jpg___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Legal issues with InvinXble? (there are some)
Ok, ok, I am sorry, you proved me partly wrong, my bad. I still feel awkward about the whole discussion, but Mo is right there (I am sorry for my accusations). I looked into the sources and while the blade has been changed I believe it is directly based on Samuele's own photo, the tilt is from same photo as is used in kill bill. Samuele, I've got some questions, if you answer straight (without any personal offends taken) I believe all the issues could be fixed promptly: 1. What is the source image for the katana's tilt? (layer Da Sword copy) We just need link to the source image, if it is appropriately licensed than it's OK, if not, than we just need to find another image that is OK to use for source. 2. You haven't said where the petals are from. Did you make them yourself, or are they from another image? Could you provide link to it if that's the case? 3. It has been pointed out, the moons are still present in the Solar source, but I don't see them in the final images. I think the best solution would be to just remove them from the XFC. Sorry, if I was too hasty and you are already working on fixing these :) Mo and Nicu, I'd like to apologize for accusing you from being biased and pointing out outdated issues. It was me who was wrong and I should have checked the sources first. While part of the sword was replaced, the tilt was indeed from the same source image and I was wrong in arguing otherwise. I am sorry if I sounded in the mail as accusing you from being the *cause* for this problem. There has indeed been some social misunderstandings on both sides, but your points stand correct. Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Happy 5th Birthday banner - Italian version
Nicu Buculei escribió: Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: I have done a translation of the banner to Spanish, following your banners as template. However, I don't seem to have the fonts you guys used to create the banner (on F9)... At any rate, I have used URW Gothic L in substitution, this is work in progress as I'll most likely use another font, just a quick prototype to see how it looks in Spanish. yum install -y mgopen-fonts Read more about this font and why we are using it here:http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines#Complementary_Font Later today I'll be uploading the updated version... Strange, though that in PackageKit the description for the mgopen-fonts package is that of TrueType Greek fonts (no wonder why I did not have them installed when I installed additional fonts on this laptop) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo vs the destkop
When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the experience given. Is that the case? Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock icons and the perspective of the main menu logo It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm using (24) much worse than the prior icons. Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system icons provided by Echo? Bill ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
Hi Bill, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Bill Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the experience given. Is that the case? No. Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock icons and the perspective of the main menu logo It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm using (24) much worse than the prior icons. Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system icons provided by Echo? I strongly disagree with the decision to use the Echo icon theme. For one, there is simply not enough time before Fedora 10 to fix the problems that you point out. There is also the fact that the quality of the artwork is noticeably lower than the upstream GNOME and Tango icon themes. In my opinion, we should: 1. Not use the Echo icons for Fedora 10 2. Encourage Fedora artists to become involved with the upstream GNOME and Tango artist communities Thanks, Jon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
William Jon McCann wrote: Hi Bill, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Bill Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the experience given. Is that the case? No. I had thought Matthias volunteered to serve as the Desktop team representative. He had outlined a plan here which is what the Echo folks have been following: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00044.html I also was under the understanding that Echo was set as the default in rawhide to enable the folks working on it a chance to get fuller coverage, and that if it was deemed to not have appropriate coverage, it would be pulled. But I'm not directly involved in any of that, I think these were things brought up in the FESCO meeting about the Echo feature. Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock icons and the perspective of the main menu logo It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm using (24) much worse than the prior icons. Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system icons provided by Echo? I strongly disagree with the decision to use the Echo icon theme. For one, there is simply not enough time before Fedora 10 to fix the problems that you point out. There is also the fact that the quality of the artwork is noticeably lower than the upstream GNOME and Tango icon themes. The Echo artists have been working hard at improving the coverage. If it is not there in time for the preview release, I presume they would try again for F11. Martin and Luya and perhaps FESCO can probably speak more and better to this. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:47 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: I had thought Matthias volunteered to serve as the Desktop team representative. He had outlined a plan here which is what the Echo folks have been following: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00044.html I'm the last desktop team member on fedora-art-list, but I'm not a representative, and I have no way to reconcile the wildly varying opinions inside the desktop team when it comes to style and quality of the default icon theme. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:47 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: I had thought Matthias volunteered to serve as the Desktop team representative. He had outlined a plan here which is what the Echo folks have been following: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00044.html I'm the last desktop team member on fedora-art-list, but I'm not a representative, and I have no way to reconcile the wildly varying opinions inside the desktop team when it comes to style and quality of the default icon theme. Oh okay, sorry for misunderstanding. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Spectrum?
William Jon McCann wrote: Hi, Is there a reason why Mike Langlie's Spectrum wallpaper is no longer being considered for Fedora 10? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum I've looked at the wiki and I'm still not sure exactly how this selection process works. It was not completed. From http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes#How_to_Play: Round 2: Visually refine the concepts gathered in round 1. For this round a theme must contain at least a wallpaper draft, and 3 supporting artwork: one vertically long, one horizontally long and a square one. Deadline: Mon Sep 01 2008 ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
William Jon McCann a écrit : Hi Bill, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Bill Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we approved Echo as the default icon theme for F10, I was under the assumption that this was already more or less known as a feature to the Desktop group, and they were OK with the coverage provided and the experience given. Is that the case? No. I strongly disagree with the decision to use the Echo icon theme. For one, there is simply not enough time before Fedora 10 to fix the problems that you point out. There is also the fact that the quality of the artwork is noticeably lower than the upstream GNOME and Tango icon themes. See the baseset[1]. Also there are issue on system-Administration that neither gnome nor tango addressed that were done on Echo theme. In my opinion, we should: 1. Not use the Echo icons for Fedora 10 2. Encourage Fedora artists to become involved with the upstream GNOME and Tango artist communities The aim was to get ready before the preview release version will be out. With the given time, we (particulary Martin and I) work hard despite the lack of manpower and the calling for assistance Fesco asks to fix essential icons which are currently addressed on fedorahosted.org. Latest snapshot are available on git repostory. Need to remind Gnome/Tango artists are keeping eyes on on Echo. Luya References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/ToDo/BaseSet signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
Bill Nottingham a écrit : Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) I think Bluecurve mix are desktop bug. Current Fedora default theme used Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs on all icons theme. - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons On Todo list. - an immediate disconnect between the perspective of the stock icons and the perspective of the main menu logo Problem is Fedora logo cannot be modified according to guideline thus perspective cannot be used. It also appears to me that the Echo icons scale to menu size I'm using (24) much worse than the prior icons. They were derived the old method before new techniques[1](echo-artist scripts derived from jimmac one canvas template[2]) were applied recently. Are we planning to address these issues, either by increasing the Echo icon coverage, or changing various apps to point to system icons provided by Echo? For the former, it can be possible as long more people participate. For the latter, upstream gnome can be echofied following the guideline[3]. Luya References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/AddingNewIconSet [2] http://pastebin.ca/1071599 [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: For the former, it can be possible as long more people participate. For the latter, upstream gnome can be echofied following the guideline[3]. Is it realistic to expect this to happen? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Spectrum?
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 07:28:06PM -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: Is there a reason why Mike Langlie's Spectrum wallpaper is no longer being considered for Fedora 10? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/spectrum I was gonna complete this for Mike but I unfortunately ran out of time. :( I might repropose it for him (or make it from scratch in inkscape, hopefully) for a later version of Fedora. Or, of course, he can repropose it for then. -- Ian Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet. ~ Douglas Adams pgpCAti76werS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:22 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Bill Nottingham a écrit : Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) I think Bluecurve mix are desktop bug. Current Fedora default theme used Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs on all icons theme. - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons Please point out where we still have bluecurve icons in the default install. I don't see how that would happen. The inheritance of the Fedora icon theme in rawhide is: Fedora - Echo - Mist - gnome (- hicolor) Bluecurve doesn't come into play. Unfortunately, we still have to install Bluecurve by default, for the cursor theme. Longer-term, it might be worthwhile to find a newer, separately packaged cursor theme to use instead of the aging Bluecurve cursors. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:22 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Bill Nottingham a écrit : Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) I think Bluecurve mix are desktop bug. Current Fedora default theme used Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs on all icons theme. - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons Please point out where we still have bluecurve icons in the default install. I don't see how that would happen. The inheritance of the Fedora icon theme in rawhide is: Fedora - Echo - Mist - gnome (- hicolor) I have seen bluecurve icons in rawhide's applications menu, but I think they are there because the 'upstream' apps use bluecurve style icons. For example, the SELinux Troubleshooter and the SELinux Management Tool. I think those should either be replaced with Echo icons or overrided with Echo icons when Echo is installed, right? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo vs the destkop
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 22:09 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 18:22 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Bill Nottingham a écrit : Looking at the desktop now (beta), I see: - at least three different icon perspectives in the stock menus (echo, 'stock', bluecurve) I think Bluecurve mix are desktop bug. Current Fedora default theme used Bluecurve from some applications, same issue occurs on all icons theme. - nearly all 'upstream' gnome apps using non-echo style icons Please point out where we still have bluecurve icons in the default install. I don't see how that would happen. The inheritance of the Fedora icon theme in rawhide is: Fedora - Echo - Mist - gnome (- hicolor) I have seen bluecurve icons in rawhide's applications menu, but I think they are there because the 'upstream' apps use bluecurve style icons. For example, the SELinux Troubleshooter and the SELinux Management Tool. I think those should either be replaced with Echo icons or overrided with Echo icons when Echo is installed, right? Oh, yeah. Good point. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fedora 10's official Default theme
On an operating system, far far away,, we were deep. We were busy slaving away in front of our lovely Fedora 9-run computer, hacking away at graphics for our theme proposals. Three rounds in, and we were down to four options. When it came down to it, we decided that we were no longer content with staying on this planet. The voices in our heads had spoken, and we decided to blast off into space and go Solar. We weren't feeling completely InvinXble. However, being the FOSS advocates we are, and with our support of Fedora, we were not afraid of of the unknown frontier. The Gears of time shown bright with a healthy Neon glow, but neither of these had very much effect on the course of destiny. Come join us as we sail into the Solar future for Fedora 10 later this year. Official winning order: Solar InvinXble Gears Neon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10's official Default theme
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Michael Beckwith wrote: Solar InvinXble Gears Neon They are all beautifully done pieces of artwork, and I really hope that everyone in the Art Team is proud of what the group has collectively achieved. I say congrats to everyone on the Art Team. --Max ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
