[FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2
All, I added a new RHGB submission to the round 2 page titled Happy Feet! Rock on ... Cheers, John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2
On 12/18/06, John Baer wrote: Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. Have a look at this http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=39122 There is a splash screen, as well as some wonderful openoffice icons :) Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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* Máirín Duffy (2006-12-20 12:58 -0500) said: [...] How do OOo, Gimp, and Eclipse splash screens provide the best user experience possible...? They don't. They provide a fuller 'brand experience' for sure, but that's different from 'user experience' (former benefits us more than it would users.) The best user experience possible is applications loading up so quickly you don't need a splash screen to provide feedback that yes, the application is loading. But not much we can do to improve their startup time at this time. So a splash screen will be in those apps for Fedora 7. I would remind everyone many of the other distro's (Ubuntu/openSuSE/Zenwalk/Vector/and the list goes on) have decided to theme the splash screens of Open Office and Gimp. I do not know how they came to that decision but I believe they simply want to provide the best user experience possible. We need to be a leader, not a follower. Just because others are doing something doesn't mean it's a good idea. I like this attitude :) Some of those distros have reached nearly complete theme across the Desktop and the splash screen might as well make it more complete. We are not in this stage though. -- Leo sdl.web AT gmail.com (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 Preview
Hi John, John Baer wrote: Máirín Diana, You *can* address the whole list - this is a community project as is Fedora. :) I would like to get feedback on this theme from the forum. To that end I prepared a Preview wiki page to be used as a link. Do you mean FedoraForum? They already set up a poll for the round 1 themes on there so you could probably start a new topic on your round 2 work and provide the link. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Nicu Buculei wrote: Question: do we want customized splash screens for such applications? - the splash for OpenOffice.org was customized for a while (around FC2-FC3) in the Bluecurve style.; - the GIMP splash was never (AFAIK) customized in RHL/Fedora; - in the current FC6 the Eclipse splash is customized (Fedora Eclipse) but is not related at all to the rest of the desktop theming. Nicu, I do not the answer to that question but based on what other distro's are doing it appears theme-ing these two splash screen is common. I would say why not if we have the time. I've installed them on my system and IMO they provide a nice touch. Cheers, John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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David Zeuthen wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 08:56 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: John Baer wrote: Posted some additional artwork submissions to the round 2 page. Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. Question: do we want customized splash screens for such applications? - the splash for OpenOffice.org was customized for a while (around FC2-FC3) in the Bluecurve style.; - the GIMP splash was never (AFAIK) customized in RHL/Fedora; - in the current FC6 the Eclipse splash is customized (Fedora Eclipse) but is not related at all to the rest of the desktop theming. I don't think we should be changing the Gimp and Open Office's splash screens - those products have their own brand identity. I do think, though, there are other themeable bits we should definitely look into - e.g., the default 'you've got webserver!' html for when you first setup apache on a Fedora system, or if we're going with a face browser, the default avatars available for people to choose from. I think we should avoid theming splash screens because a) splash screens are generally not themeable; hence a1) extra work for package owners for patching it in - including all the work communicating with said maintainers; and Right, we should definitely consider the amount of extra work involved for package maintainers. Although if we can provide our own patches, it's not really much of a load, correct? b) some applications take pride in their splash screen and branding it might be considered offensive. For example this applies to The Gimp where there's, IIRC, a competition for splash screens Are we required to create one for Eclipse for various reasons? (I don't actually know, I just assumed so.) If not is there a reason we can't use the upstream one? Or at least clean up the current Fedora-themed one? c) many developers (including most people working on Fedora) generally consider splash screens to be bad; instead applications should just start up really fast. +1 d) splash screens are only shown for 1) a short time (if at all); and 2) only when launching specific apps; so, at least to the cost/benefit of doing splash screens isn't really justified I don't think it can be argued that they will go unnoticed. The Gimp and OOo are definitely widely-used apps. If it was deemed important for Fedora branding purposes (which I don't agree it is, but w/e) it wouldn't be a waste of effort. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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David Zeuthen wrote: On Tue, 2006-12-19 at 08:56 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Question: do we want customized splash screens for such applications? I think we should avoid theming splash screens because My opinion is the same, for ablout all the reasons you already said, but asked mostly to produce an answer form someone with more weight than me. a3) Thus, I can't go and create a davidz-artwork RPM package and expect the splash screen I've made for e.g. OO.o to just magically be used. This is an exception, is an easy one: to change the OOo splash, just drop a file in the right place, it wil overwrite the default. Hope this clarifies, otherwise just ask! Thanks! I would add one more reason against: there are so many splash screens that it would be a huge task to identify all of them. For example how many people are aware about he splash screen in Wireshark? -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2
All, Posted some additional artwork submissions to the round 2 page. Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. Cheers, John BTW, if anyone would like these I can post images with an install script. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2
John Baer wrote: Posted some additional artwork submissions to the round 2 page. Just for fun I made an Open Office and Gimp splash screen. Question: do we want customized splash screens for such applications? - the splash for OpenOffice.org was customized for a while (around FC2-FC3) in the Bluecurve style.; - the GIMP splash was never (AFAIK) customized in RHL/Fedora; - in the current FC6 the Eclipse splash is customized (Fedora Eclipse) but is not related at all to the rest of the desktop theming. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: I put together some Flying High with Fedora artwork for round 2. I uploaded it here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 I really really liked Jiří's Flying High mockup [1] so these were heavily inspired by that! I added Jiří's balloon design into these new ones - it adds variety and looks really slick. I also made SVGs available for each piece so everyone can feel free to play around with them. Wow! Just wow! I *really* like the Squarish Artwork. Just make the colours in the tangram balloon a little more vivid and the background sky a little less plain and I think we have a winner. :) Nicu, I love the modifications you uploaded!! They make the logo stand out a lot better and the sky looks less plain now. Do we like this artwork straight/clean/clear? Maybe we could play around with a more painterly touch or textures? E.g., while I stared at this too long when I made it and it's probably overkill, something like: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=flyinghigh-moonlight2.png (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look here. ~m [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_7VRYySrVA ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Máirín Duffy wrote: Do we like this artwork straight/clean/clear? Maybe we could play around with a more painterly touch or textures? E.g., while I stared at this too long when I made it and it's probably overkill, something like: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=flyinghigh-moonlight2.png (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look here. ~m [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_7VRYySrVA I am not sure whether end users would see that as a particular style or just a poor quality image. Kind of like when my grandfather told me to properly iron my crumbled look shirt. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Rahul Sundaram wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look here. I am not sure whether end users would see that as a particular style or just a poor quality image. Kind of like when my grandfather told me to properly iron my crumbled look shirt. At the first look I thought is bad dithering :p -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Nicu Buculei wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look here. I am not sure whether end users would see that as a particular style or just a poor quality image. Kind of like when my grandfather told me to properly iron my crumbled look shirt. At the first look I thought is bad dithering :p Well!!! Somebody could do a better job than me I'm sure!! :) I recently reinstalled this computer so I lost a lot of my textures and things :( It would be sooo cool if we could develop a set of openly-licensed textures/patterns and make them available on the wiki, etc. :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to fedora-art-list@redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 (M?ir?n Duffy) 2. Re: christmas wallpaper :) (Nicu Buculei) 3. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 (Nicu Buculei) 4. Re: more natural colors (Nicu Buculei) 5. Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 (Nicu Buculei) 6. Re: more natural colors ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 7. Re: more natural colors (Nicu Buculei) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:54:11 -0500 From: M?ir?n Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2 To: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed John Baer wrote: I guess it's time to get to work! I put together some Flying High with Fedora artwork for round 2. I uploaded it here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 I really really liked JiÅ™Ã's Flying High mockup [1] so these were heavily inspired by that! I added JiÅ™Ã's balloon design into these new ones - it adds variety and looks really slick. I also made SVGs available for each piece so everyone can feel free to play around with them. I'm thinking for the wallpaper something much more laid back than these little pieces (as Nicu pointed out earlier they're too busy for a wallpaper.) Maybe even just a simple night sky scape with two tiny balloons (community :) ) and some clouds off into a corner - similar to one of John's mocks [2], but with the logo and balloons even smaller in proportion. The release number is in one of them but it's not an integral part of the artwork (as it was for the c6re design.) I thought it might be useful to add into artwork on a very selective basis so you'll know what version it is you're running/installing/etc. What do you folks think about a number policy like that? ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=jjm-flying-high01.png [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=wallpaper-moonlight2.png -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:59:44 +0200 From: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: christmas wallpaper :) To: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: Thanks, MáirÃn, the problem is that I have temporary no access to my website due to technical reasons, sorry. It should be better about few days. The real benefit of using deviantART is the community part*, some of us are already there, chained as friends, watching each other's work, commenting and helping to improve our works, see some of our pages: - MáirÃn's: http://pookstar.deviantart.com/ - Ben's: http://iamseawolf.deviantart.com/ - my own: http://nicubunu.deviantart.com/ And we are not yet using that site at its full capacity. * I started recently to use mugshot and am unhappy it lack support for our dA accounts. 2006/12/12, MáirÃn Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Very cool! Have you considered signing up for a deviant art account? You get a lot of space on there. Photobucket is another option. Deviant Art has a really nice community around it; photobucket doesn't really have any community aspects but it's a good quick place to host images. Here is where you sign up for each (they are free): http://www.deviantart.com/join/ Flying High Round 2 rocks. attachment:flying-high-r2-square1.svg , attachment:flying-high-r2-horiz1_takeN.svg , and attachment:flying-high-r2-vert1.svg are interesting. A theme with this artwork would definitely fit students, professors, children, and other people. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Quoting Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look here. I am not sure whether end users would see that as a particular style or just a poor quality image. Kind of like when my grandfather told me to properly iron my crumbled look shirt. At the first look I thought is bad dithering :p I thought of a better example than my feeble attempt! Remember back in the day this gorgeous GIMP splash screen art by tigert? http://www.gimp.org/about/splash/splash-images/gimp_splash.1.11.png ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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On 13/12/06, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 Wow! Just wow! I *really* like the Squarish Artwork. Just make the colours in the tangram balloon a little more vivid and the background sky a little less plain and I think we have a winner. I don't think we should use both style of balloons, I would prefer it if we kept to the rounded ones rather than the tanagram. The association between a balloon and speech bubble in the logo would come pretty easy so I don't feel the need for the balloons to include an 'f'. --- On 13/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember back in the day this gorgeous GIMP splash screen art by tigert? http://www.gimp.org/about/splash/splash-images/gimp_splash.1.11.png ~contemplative sigh and smile~ -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Máirín Duffy wrote: Jiří, can you make the source artwork (SVG?) available for [1]? I want to play around with your balloon design and try to make a new mockup for Flying High! http://jjm.xf.cz/ and http://jjm.xf.cz/jjm-flying-high01.svg -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Hi John, John Baer wrote: To your list I added optional artwork for a gimp splash, open office splash, and the cd/dvd cover/jewel case. A total 18 images. Is it ok if I rearrange the flying high wiki pages a little bit? I don't think we're really ready in round 2 to break out into the different images for grub, rhgb, gdm, etc. I think we need to focus on getting some nice basic artwork submissions. But now it's harder to do that for Flying High - the original submission page says at the top we're not supposed to edit it. Could we take the pages that are broken out and hide them behind a subpage for round 3 and create a new round 2 submission page? Thanks, ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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John Baer wrote: I guess it's time to get to work! I put together some Flying High with Fedora artwork for round 2. I uploaded it here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 I really really liked Jiří's Flying High mockup [1] so these were heavily inspired by that! I added Jiří's balloon design into these new ones - it adds variety and looks really slick. I also made SVGs available for each piece so everyone can feel free to play around with them. I'm thinking for the wallpaper something much more laid back than these little pieces (as Nicu pointed out earlier they're too busy for a wallpaper.) Maybe even just a simple night sky scape with two tiny balloons (community :) ) and some clouds off into a corner - similar to one of John's mocks [2], but with the logo and balloons even smaller in proportion. The release number is in one of them but it's not an integral part of the artwork (as it was for the c6re design.) I thought it might be useful to add into artwork on a very selective basis so you'll know what version it is you're running/installing/etc. What do you folks think about a number policy like that? ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=jjm-flying-high01.png [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=wallpaper-moonlight2.png ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Máirín Duffy wrote: I put together some Flying High with Fedora artwork for round 2. I uploaded it here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 I really really liked Jiří's Flying High mockup [1] so these were heavily inspired by that! I added Jiří's balloon design into these new ones - it adds variety and looks really slick. I also made SVGs available for each piece so everyone can feel free to play around with them. Wow! Just wow! I *really* like the Squarish Artwork. Just make the colours in the tangram balloon a little more vivid and the background sky a little less plain and I think we have a winner. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Nicu Buculei wrote: I totally forgot about Corel and I can assure everyone Corel did not enter my mind when I was brain storming ideas for fc7. I would refer all those interested in the concept to the theme's home wiki. Indeed, there are ways, a lot of ways, that *if* in the end we will use a balloon, it will not resemble the Corel one. A good approach is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=flyinghigh-moonlight.png And even in this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=fc7-poc01.png we can remake the image (Inkscape, Blender, whatever) and recreate it using Fedora colours, not the original ones reminding of Corel. I *really* like Jiří's balloon design [1] - it mimics the Fedora logo without really being overtly *the* logo (that's why I didn't put them in my little Flying High mock, Ify - they look kind of weird tilted but they just don't fit if I spin it right-side up either. And it looks *too* Fedora for every balloon to have the logo). The balloons also don't look overtly plain then. Jiří, can you make the source artwork (SVG?) available for [1]? I want to play around with your balloon design and try to make a new mockup for Flying High! ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=jjm-flying-high01.png ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
