Re: Form widgets on fpo website
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Rogue gmail.com> writes: >> Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What >> about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers >> look terrible? > > The main 2 browser engines in Fedora are: > * Gecko - for everything using this, the widgets will look just as in Firefox > 3 > (from Fedora 9 on), > * KHTML (Konqueror) - ignores the widget styling entirely, so it's actually > already displaying a native widget, > so what browsers exactly are you worrying about? By other browsers, I mean, Opera 9+, Safari and IE too. Now I know that Safari / IE support sounds ridiculous, but consider a user running these applications and browsing our website? To give you an instance, I sometimes access my mails over the iPhone, which means I am using a Apple Mail + Safari combination. I would personally appreciate it if the site /behaved/ the same. Now the definition of behavior can be left to the site designers - some may choose to include L&Fs, others may choose to restrict it to only functionality. The point is that there are possibilities of indirect accesses of our site. Regarding the non-gecko Fedora-packaged HTML engines, I believe we should be filling bug reports against them for not supporting the standards :-) > > Also, I don't think the native widget can look worse than a simple > rectangle. ;-) Definitely :-) - -Rogue -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHd8B7ceS9IQvx51YRAlzlAJ4zL8Z5z3dY5ubfCdqleyIlqxpd0QCdGnVD sxbCvaa6Zv1HlX92EabBGeM= =Ewgf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Rogue gmail.com> writes: > Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What > about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers > look terrible? The main 2 browser engines in Fedora are: * Gecko - for everything using this, the widgets will look just as in Firefox 3 (from Fedora 9 on), * KHTML (Konqueror) - ignores the widget styling entirely, so it's actually already displaying a native widget, so what browsers exactly are you worrying about? Also, I don't think the native widget can look worse than a simple rectangle. ;-) Kevin Kofler ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
It's not our problem, if browser renders widgets ugly. We should provide native buttons or buttons with eye-candy bg. 2007/12/29, Rogue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide > > CSS for them. > > > > The idea of CSS styling of the widgets is to ensure that the widgets > look the same across different browsers. > > Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What > about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers > look terrible? > > I would suggest that the overall CSS of FPO could be overhauled as part > of the F9 release? > > Any thoughts on this one? > > later, > Rogue > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHdeU7ceS9IQvx51YRAvapAKCo8mUTxdGEgEtMs6GiUfb4uFtG9wCfY5+3 > PSpWsN2Cp7PDhB2GAZNs0YU= > =Ra6H > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide > CSS for them. > The idea of CSS styling of the widgets is to ensure that the widgets look the same across different browsers. Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers look terrible? I would suggest that the overall CSS of FPO could be overhauled as part of the F9 release? Any thoughts on this one? later, Rogue -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHdeU7ceS9IQvx51YRAvapAKCo8mUTxdGEgEtMs6GiUfb4uFtG9wCfY5+3 PSpWsN2Cp7PDhB2GAZNs0YU= =Ra6H -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Well, Firefox !=< 3 sucks a little bit. Dnia 26-12-2007, śro o godzinie 12:47 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > I'm apparently blind, you're unclear with what you say. From a > personal standpoint, when someone lists some terms with any reference > to google, they mean to do searching, not look at the buttons on the > page. Should have clarified. > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > You're blind... Google.com has native widgets! > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I > > > don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just > > > for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native > > > widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking > > > for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, > > > I'd be happy to click. > > > -- > > > > > > ~Michael > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > For the sake of arguement of why I was, perhaps, not the best person > to try arguing the point, I attached what I see with most form > buttons, including google.com. It takes on the colors of my gnome > theme overall, using 2.0.0.10 build of FF > > > > > Martin Sourada wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > > > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? > > > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. > > > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for > > > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what > > > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one > > > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. > > > > > > > > > > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example > > with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: > > this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is > > start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the > > difference on first sight ;) > > > > Martin > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
I'm apparently blind, you're unclear with what you say. From a personal standpoint, when someone lists some terms with any reference to google, they mean to do searching, not look at the buttons on the page. Should have clarified. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: You're blind... Google.com has native widgets! Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list For the sake of arguement of why I was, perhaps, not the best person to try arguing the point, I attached what I see with most form buttons, including google.com. It takes on the colors of my gnome theme overall, using 2.0.0.10 build of FF Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the difference on first sight ;) Martin -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) <>___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide CSS for them. Dnia 26-12-2007, śro o godzinie 09:35 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze: > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? > > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. > > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for > > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what > > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one > > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. > > > > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example > with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: > this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is > start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the > difference on first sight ;) > > Martin > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
You're blind... Google.com has native widgets! Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I > don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just > for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native > widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking > for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, > I'd be happy to click. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Google.com - native widgets. > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of > > > the type of form styling you would like to see? > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote: > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences: this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the difference on first sight ;) Martin <><><> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know who made CSS for fpo, but he should know, that native > widgets look better than rectangular ugly ones... > > Especially when Firefox 3 is gonna arrive very quickly. FWIW, - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs -Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, I'd be happy to click. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: Google.com - native widgets. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of the type of form styling you would like to see? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Google.com - native widgets. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of > the type of form styling you would like to see? > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of the type of form styling you would like to see? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
A lot of web2.0 styling and appearance relies on curved edges, rounded corners, lots of gradients, glossy buttons, etc. Your complaint is about square "ugly" form buttons. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: What styling form has to do with Web2.0? What you're talking about, man?! Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 13:16 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for it to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to have things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and appeal your case to them. -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
What styling form has to do with Web2.0? What you're talking about, man?! Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 13:16 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for > it to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to > have things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and > appeal your case to them. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and > > they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong. > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. > > > It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice > > > looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still > > > gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to > > > be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" > > > with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. > > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > > Exactly that widgets should not be styled. > > > > > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the > > > > > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. > > > > > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do > > > > > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either > > > > > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. > > > > > > > > > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form > > > > > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one > > > > > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way > > > > > enough to not worry about personally. > > > > > > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > > > > > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > > > > > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ~Michael > > > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > > > ___ > > > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Michael > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for it to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to have things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and appeal your case to them. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: Exactly that widgets should not be styled. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way enough to not worry about personally. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list __ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. > It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice > looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still > gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to > be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" > with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > Exactly that widgets should not be styled. > > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > > > > > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the > > > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. > > > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do > > > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either > > > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. > > > > > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form > > > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one > > > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way > > > enough to not worry about personally. > > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > > > > > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > > > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > > > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~Michael > > > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it. It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish" with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: Exactly that widgets should not be styled. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way enough to not worry about personally. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Exactly that widgets should not be styled. Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze: > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way > enough to not worry about personally. > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). > > > > Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:53 +, Kevin Kofler pisze: > > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > > Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. > > > > > > > And I'd say that's a good thing, for the exact reason you describe. I > > > haven't > > > tried the KDE 4 version yet though, they might have "fixed" it. > > > > > > Kevin Kofler > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > ___ > > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > > > -- > ~Michael > http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) > http://michaelbox.net (eventually) > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms. It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it. On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way enough to not worry about personally. Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:53 +, Kevin Kofler pisze: Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. And I'd say that's a good thing, for the exact reason you describe. I haven't tried the KDE 4 version yet though, they might have "fixed" it. Kevin Kofler ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch). Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:53 +, Kevin Kofler pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > > Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. > > And I'd say that's a good thing, for the exact reason you describe. I haven't > tried the KDE 4 version yet though, they might have "fixed" it. > > Kevin Kofler > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. And I'd say that's a good thing, for the exact reason you describe. I haven't tried the KDE 4 version yet though, they might have "fixed" it. Kevin Kofler ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Mine browser doesn't suck, silly. Konqueror doesn't support styled forms. Run Firefox 2 and then Firefox 3. FF2 - ugly non-gtk widgets on websites. FF3 - beautiful gtk widgets on websites and those rectangular piece of... rectangle. Dnia 24-12-2007, pon o godzinie 23:01 +, Kevin Kofler pisze: > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > > I don't know who made CSS for fpo, but he should know, that native > > widgets look better than rectangular ugly ones... > > Could it be that your browser sucks? ;-) Konqueror is showing me only native > form widgets on fedoraproject.org. > > Kevin Kofler > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ______ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek/ _|___ __| |___ _ _ __ _ ( _ ) Fedora Project | _/ -_) _` / _ \ '_/ _` | / _ \ http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ |_| \___\__,_\___/_| \__,_| \___/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek gmail.com> writes: > I don't know who made CSS for fpo, but he should know, that native > widgets look better than rectangular ugly ones... Could it be that your browser sucks? ;-) Konqueror is showing me only native form widgets on fedoraproject.org. Kevin Kofler ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Form widgets on fpo website
Concerns like this should go to the fedora-websites-list Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: Hi, I don't know who made CSS for fpo, but he should know, that native widgets look better than rectangular ugly ones... Especially when Firefox 3 is gonna arrive very quickly. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
