Re: Sources file audit - 2010-01-05

2010-01-06 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 11:38:20AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:   - BADURL:base-file-name:$PACKAGENAME     This means that the URI provided in the Source(s) line didn't result in   a download of the source. This could be any of:

Re: ABRT considered painful

2010-01-02 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:53:28 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: the only problem I know about is when some of the enabled repositories is down - then the yum fails to download debuginfo even if it's in working directory

Re: ABRT considered painful

2010-01-01 Thread drago01
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: What's wrong with ABRT? Originally, with stock F-12, I had received a couple of good backtraces in bugzilla. Incredibly useful. A wonderful improvement over F-11 and older. And later? - Recently, in all the

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-15 Thread drago01
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Jon Masters j...@redhat.com said: But again, Apples to Oranges. x86_64 (we should formally call it Intel 64, or similar, since I'm not aware of x86_64 having a formal blessing) Intel 64 has no formal

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-15 Thread drago01
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Paul Jakma p...@dishone.st wrote:  - I am incredulous at the people who keep arguing that x86-64 is    better because it has PC-relative addressing, or because the ABI    is pass-by-register by default. I am extremely sceptical that    these respondents would

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-15 Thread drago01
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Paul Jakma p...@dishone.st wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Paul Jakma wrote: I would like to have the advantages of *both* 32 and 64bit, as and where each one is appropriate. I'd like to be able to use that 30-60% of memory on more VMs, e.g., rather than bigger

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-13 Thread drago01
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Paul Jakma p...@dishone.st wrote: On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Jeff Garzik wrote: Running a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userland is a common practice on non-x86 platforms, and non-Linux OS's. FWIW, it works on Linux too. I ran F10 i386 on a x86_64 kernel for a while.

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-13 Thread drago01
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Paul Jakma p...@dishone.st wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, drago01 wrote: such a setup does not make much sense, when your hardware supports x86_64 not using it for userspace is a waste a) i386 has a lower memory footprint, as has been mentioned

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-13 Thread drago01
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:09 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: c) There is a definite cost to a distro in having to maintain 2   x86_64 and i386 as separate arches Not a reason to move forward with hardware development. reason to _not_ move ... Er.. don't quite get your point here

Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?

2009-12-08 Thread drago01
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Rallias UberNerd robinstar1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:39:16 -0600, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Bill McGonigle wrote: Are you installing Fedora on the computer you're using now? [YES]  [NO]  YES - is any sort of check even

Re: Pulseaudio in F12

2009-11-29 Thread drago01
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a clean install of Fedora 12, and pulseaudio seems to be behaving completely different. Any mixer control I have (master, pcm, front ,,,) affects the pulse volume slider (looking at pavucontrol). In the

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread drago01
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com wrote: Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really be working on all cards in 2009 ... But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and so a much wider scope for the testing

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread drago01
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed: 3D shouldn't be considered as nice to have but an essential feature that should be working. You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only

Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

2009-11-27 Thread drago01
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd.  In a year, if we don't have a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very surprised. Just watch.

Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?

2009-11-22 Thread drago01
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Sir Gallantmon ngomp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Jonathan Dieter jdie...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 00:52 -0500, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 11/21/2009 03:52

Re: abrt + X Error = zillions of duplicate bug reports?

2009-11-22 Thread drago01
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote: So, since I've already received 3 separate bug reports caused by BadIDChoice X Error in subtitleeditor [1][2][3] (haven't had enough time to debug and try to fix it yet though) by abrt, I wonder if there is any

Re: Improve the way rpm decides what is newer

2009-11-21 Thread drago01
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 00:58 +0100, Christian Iseli wrote: Hi folks, I also got bitten by the FC11 packages 'newer' than FC12 hickup, and while going through the yum remove/add maneuver I pondered: - is there ever a

Re: Improve the way rpm decides what is newer

2009-11-21 Thread drago01
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Conrad Meyer ceme...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Saturday 21 November 2009 01:38:35 am drago01 wrote: We should just use release epochs, people might hate them for whatever reasons, but they would easily prevent such issues from happing. The problem

Re: Improve the way rpm decides what is newer

2009-11-21 Thread drago01
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:38:35 +0100, drago01 wrote: We should just use release epochs, people might hate them for whatever reasons, but they would easily prevent such issues from happing. Vendor Epochs have been

Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?

2009-11-19 Thread drago01
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com wrote: btw... you dont need to buy a netbook to get the performance benefits of an ssd. *writing that on f12 64bit on a lenovo x301 with ssd*, and no... ssds are not a step back but a leap ahead in many regards: power consumption,

Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?

2009-11-19 Thread drago01
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Casey Dahlin cdah...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/19/2009 04:21 PM, Peter Jones wrote: On 11/19/2009 04:13 PM, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 11/18/2009 09:23 PM, King InuYasha wrote: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Ikem Krueger 1: Date/Time stamp, Unix time doesn't

Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?

2009-11-18 Thread drago01
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: King InuYasha wrote: In any case, 32-bit shouldn't be considered legacy until every type of computer sold is 64-bit. And the fact is, that isn't true. It already basically was before netbooks came and turned the clock

Re: Wodim trouble

2009-11-02 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 18:16 +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote: Dne 2.11.2009 17:31, Kevin Kofler napsal: Ankur Sinha wrote: wodim is completely unmaintained since May 6th 2007, don't expect to see any fixes anytime soon as long

Re: Kernel using LZMA compression

2009-10-31 Thread drago01
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Ikem Krueger ikem.krue...@googlemail.com wrote: As I know, the kernel is compressed with bzip2 or gzip. How about using LZMA instead? Or is that already the case? There is such an option but it is currently disabled due to missing support in xen. --

Re: Kernel using LZMA compression

2009-10-31 Thread drago01
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Ikem Krueger ikem.krue...@googlemail.com wrote: As I know, the kernel is compressed with bzip2 or gzip. How about using LZMA instead? Or is that already the case? There is such an option but it is currently disabled due to missing support in xen. Thanks.

Re: Status of touchpad support in F12 for kdm?

2009-10-19 Thread drago01
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:10 PM, mcloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler at chello.at writes: No, tapping is disabled by default distrowide, there's nothing KDM can or should do about this. This is an intentional decision by the upstream Synaptics driver developers.

Re: Status of touchpad support in F12 for kdm?

2009-10-18 Thread drago01
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Mike Cloaked wrote: In F11 every laptop I installed had support for the touchpad under Gnome, but in order to have touchpad tap action at the greeter stage in kdm I need to put in place a suitable hal/fdi file. Is

Re: yum-presto not on by default

2009-10-04 Thread drago01
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Eric Springer erik...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: Quick follow-up on this issue: I heard that this part at least has been done, and it certainly seems to have done the trick. Delta rebuild speeds

Re: dracut, or should booting a LiveCD touch the hard disk?

2009-10-04 Thread drago01
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Warren Togami war...@togami.com wrote: LiveCD boot has liveimg in cmdline.  We could automatically skip various parts of the bootup if parameter exists.  I suppose there are no drawbacks to this? Well it makes stuff easier if you are booting to fix up your

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread drago01
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: - Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Bugs can include RFEs as well as actual brokeness. I don't think that really buys you anything. And a bad maintainer could just file an RFE for an upgrade and refer to that bug when

Re: status of forked zlibs in rsync and zsync

2009-09-28 Thread drago01
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:28 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 09/16/2009 08:59 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: Am 16.09.2009 17:47, schrieb Toshio Kuratomi: That still leaves open the question of why no one has asked

Re: Thunderbird 3.0pre?

2009-09-27 Thread drago01
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any chance there will be a build of Thunderbird 3.0PRE in Koji soon? It would be nice to see a build for F11 and F12 as I believe there are significant fixes compared to 3.0beta 4 in the 3.0pre build. like?

Re: Thunderbird 3.0pre?

2009-09-27 Thread drago01
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 09/27/2009 10:15 AM, Mail Lists wrote:   I do know that the 64 bit fedora beta 4 (there is no 64 bit mozilla.org as, last I read a while ago, they are not comfortable the code is 64 bit clean) had terrible problems

Re: yum-presto not on by default

2009-09-24 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 17:21 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 16:52 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: or generally that you find our users to be

Re: yum-presto not on by default

2009-09-23 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com wrote: Dne Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:04:23 +0300 Jonathan Dieter napsal(a): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=524720 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=524982 ... The second one has to do with the fact that

Re: yum-presto not on by default

2009-09-23 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:20 PM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 15:22 +0300, Jonathan Dieter wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 10:49 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com wrote: Dne Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:04

Re: yum-presto not on by default

2009-09-23 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, drago01 wrote: Does not matter which compression algorithm we use creating a compressed rpm just to uncompressed it again shortly after that is a waste of cycles/power/time. As for the GPG

Re: yum-presto not on by default

2009-09-23 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, drago01 wrote: Does not matter which compression algorithm we use creating

Re: [PATCH 3/3] dracut has initrd-generic-version instead of initrd-version (#519185)

2009-09-03 Thread drago01
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Tom spot Callawaytcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 09/03/2009 10:57 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: It really is like having to support gentoo, versus having to support a distro using pre build packages. And I would really like to move to the having to support a

Re: ABRT for f12 status

2009-09-02 Thread drago01
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Colin Walterswalt...@verbum.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Matthias Clasenmcla...@redhat.com wrote: After talking to the abrt guys, I've changed the desktop spin ks to replace bug-buddy and kerneloops by abrt. This change should be made in comps

Re: ABRT for f12 status

2009-08-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Colin Walterswalt...@verbum.org wrote: Hi internets, I was looking at the current state of ABRT (I tested on F11).  The core capturing seems to work well.  In brief, I propose to apply the (attached) patch to comps-f12.xml.in. For upgrades, we'll need to

Re: ABRT for f12 status

2009-08-28 Thread drago01
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Colin Walterswalt...@verbum.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM, drago01drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Colin Walterswalt...@verbum.org wrote: Hi internets, I was looking at the current state of ABRT (I tested on F11).  The

Re: ABRT for f12 status

2009-08-28 Thread drago01
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:26 AM, drago01drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Colin Walterswalt...@verbum.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM, drago01drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Colin Walterswalt...@verbum.org wrote: Hi internets, I

Re: fedora-pkgdb: make it discoverable on browser home page?

2009-08-24 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Toshio Kuratomia.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/23/2009 10:50 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Aren't we pitching Fedora Community interface as the end user facing thing, going forward? It seems some of these features will overlap or duplicate it. It's possible.  

Re: fedora-pkgdb: make it discoverable on browser home page?

2009-08-24 Thread drago01
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Matthias Clasenmcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 14:36 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Toshio Kuratomia.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/23/2009 10:50 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Aren't we pitching Fedora Community interface

Re: fedora-pkgdb: make it discoverable on browser home page?

2009-08-24 Thread drago01
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Matthias Clasenmcla...@redhat.com wrote: [..] Static? Doesn't scale (unless you would want to do it just for specific apps) My initial idea was to make this a 'top 10 apps', ie be selective, instead of trying to be all-inclusive and make the user scroll

Re: Add Moblin Desktop group to comps

2009-08-24 Thread drago01
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 12:04 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote: The Moblin OS uses Connman for everything networking. This is a different architecture than what Fedora does, where Fedora has /etc/sysconfig and other scripts

Re: Plan for tomorrow's (20090821) FESCo meeting

2009-08-21 Thread drago01
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Adam Jacksona...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 15:39 +0200, Jochen Schmitt wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:10:59 -0400, you wrote: 238  Can libvdpau go in Fedora? As far I understand this package itself is open source but has a dependency to the

Re: Plan for tomorrow's (20090821) FESCo meeting

2009-08-21 Thread drago01
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:51 +0200, drago01 wrote: Well S3 does, but there driver isn't open either. But it proves that non nvidia implementations are possible. S3's driver implements VAAPI, not VDPAU. I already have

Re: Broken dependencies in Fedora 11 - 2009-08-20

2009-08-21 Thread drago01
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: drago01 wrote: Sorry but the fail here is 100% on bodhi's side , why does a single package obsolete a complete group update? That is just broken, and this example clearly showed it. It's broken (we've had some fun

Re: yum-presto plugin by default

2009-08-18 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Jeff Spaletajspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Christopher Brownsnecklif...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I have also experienced zero problems with it and believe it would be better enabled by default, retaining the option to disable.

Re: Empathy default in F12?

2009-08-16 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Rahul Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 08/16/2009 01:05 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: The F12 feature still indicates the switch to Empathy as a default IM client in Fedora. However, the talk page for the feature

Re: Switch from OpenAL to OpenAL-Soft

2009-08-11 Thread drago01
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:08 AM, LinuxDonaldlinuxdon...@linuxdonald.de wrote: I have add the openal-soft package into fedora 12 that will replace  openal. At all packager when you have openal as dependency please change it to openal-soft and recompile your package for f-12 please Any reason

Re: No sound in rawhide

2009-08-09 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 19:51 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: Hi. On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 00:13:40 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote Indirectly, probably yes. There's a workaround for that known problem posted on rawhidewatch -

Re: rt2860 driver (fc11)

2009-08-06 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 23:50 -0700, Markus Kesaromous wrote: I was hoping that the devs who worked hard to even make it part of the source rpm might be lurking on this mailing list and see my post :) I don't think

Re: rt2860 driver (fc11)

2009-08-06 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Orcan Ogetbiloget.fed...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: I was hoping that the devs who worked hard to even make it part of the source rpm might be lurking on this mailing list and see my post :) I don't think anything

Re: rt2860 driver (fc11)

2009-08-06 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Orcan Ogetbiloget.fed...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:58 AM, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: I maintain those drivers at RPMFusion. I will be happy beyond imagination when the staging drivers are marked stable

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-06 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Christopher Aillon wrote: Sure, you can blame Gecko for having it's unstable ABI be, well, unstable.  But blame also goes to the apps for not using the stable ABI. Why does Mozilla expect apps to use an ABI: * which

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-06 Thread drago01
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 08/06/2009 10:55 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/06/2009 02:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: IMO, this feature should be scratched, because the packages in question are of immature nature (... and of low packaging

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Thorsten Leemhuisfed...@leemhuis.info wrote: Further: The behavior changes to much IMHO -- one reason why I use Fedora at home and work and suggested it to others were the major new kernel versions that got delivered as regular update. But that doesn't really

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Tom spot Callawaytcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 08/05/2009 04:11 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: The question is whether Fedora intends to be a distribution suitable for day-to-day general purpose use by people who are not necessarily that interested in Fedora per

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-08-02 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Ville Skyttäville.sky...@iki.fi wrote: On Thursday 30 July 2009, Ville Skyttä wrote: On Thursday 30 July 2009, Jesse Keating wrote: http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/failed-f12-rebuilds.html scop (1):     perltidy BuildrootError: could not init mock

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-07-31 Thread drago01
multiple times a day. In the case of the needed rebuilds file we're working on a version that takes secondary arch into account. drago01 (1): dbus-c++ - /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ../include/dbus-c++/dbus.h ../include/dbus-c++/types.h ../include/dbus-c++/connection.h ../include/dbus-c

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-07-31 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Caolán McNamaracaol...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 10:16 +0200, drago01 wrote: '/builddir/build/BUILDROOT/dbus-c++-0.5.0-0.9.20090203git13281b3.fc12.x86_64/usr/include/dbus-c++-1/dbus-c++/' /usr/bin/install: will not overwrite just-created

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-07-31

2009-07-31 Thread drago01
[..] 17:45:48 Kevin_Kofler As for killing multilibs, a proposal for next week: restrict multilibs to wine, redhat-lsb and their dependencies. Rationale: way too much stuff which will never be needed multilib is multilib. The people who really need that stuff should just use the i?86 repo and

Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

2009-07-28 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Ben Boeckelmaths...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lennart Poettering wrote: Please note that it is our intention not to wrap obsolete mixer controls such as CD, PC Speaker, MIDI and so on. If you file a bug asking for those

Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release

2009-07-27 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 07/26/2009 09:28 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/26/2009 02:37 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009, Alan Cox wrote: all of my system has a wrong openssl version all these symptoms

Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release

2009-07-27 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 07/27/2009 11:25 AM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de  wrote: On 07/26/2009 09:28 PM, Björn Persson wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/26/2009 02:37 PM, Seth

Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release

2009-07-27 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Ralf Ertzingerfed...@camperquake.de wrote: Hi. On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:38:09 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: No, some people (me included) use tmpfs for /tmp , so this would result into reboot, no packages found (if it did not hit a space problem either).

Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release

2009-07-26 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: It may be news to you, but a single negative result invalidates a whole series of positive tests ;) No, that means that they are bugs / problems but not that the feature is broken in general. -- fedora-devel-list

Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release

2009-07-25 Thread drago01
Well I upgraded two systems from F10 to F11 using anaconda (booted the DVD), run a yum update after that and it works just fine. One of this systems have been running Fedora since FC4 and got updated to F/FC N+1 using the same method and still works. (FC4-FC5-FC6-F7-F8-F9-F10-F11) Seems like

Re: Updates and delays in signing packages

2009-07-17 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Rahul Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 07/18/2009 03:11 AM, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Rahul Hi, I have a concern with the recent delays in signing packages and how best to handle that. I maintain Gnote in Fedora

Re: Proposal to Drop Fedora 12 Features

2009-07-16 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:11 PM, John Poelstrapoels...@redhat.com wrote: Hi FESCo, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XZRpmPayloads https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support Afaik those are blocking on 1) xz review request 2) rel-eng to coordinate a mass rebuild --

Re: beagle

2009-07-14 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Toshio Kuratomia.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/14/2009 04:16 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:48:33 +0200, Michael wrote: * Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:      beagle-owner AT fedoraproject DOT org      Recipient

Re: beagle

2009-07-14 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Juan Rodrigueznus...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Toshio Kuratomia.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/14/2009 04:16 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009

Re: x86_64 packages depends on i586.

2009-07-12 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Davidbrusefamel...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/11/2009 9:35 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Jul 11, 2009, at 17:03, David brusefamel...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/11/2009 6:17 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: Doesn't seem to work for wine :) That's because

Re: x86_64 packages depends on i586.

2009-07-12 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM, drago01drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Davidbrusefamel...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/11/2009 9:35 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Jul 11, 2009, at 17:03, David brusefamel...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/11/2009 6:17 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Frank

Re: x86_64 packages depends on i586.

2009-07-11 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:49 PM, drago01drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/07/09 10:41, Jussi Lehtola wrote: snip The x86_64 repo contains some multilib packages. If you don't specify the wanted architecture when installing,

Re: x86_64 packages depends on i586.

2009-07-11 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/07/09 10:41, Jussi Lehtola wrote: snip The x86_64 repo contains some multilib packages. If you don't specify the wanted architecture when installing, yum might install both 32- and 64-bit versions if available. Try

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:24AM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any contingency plans in place, for a worst case scenario if C#, is lost

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Jonathan Underwoodjonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/7 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 09:56 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:24AM +0200, drago01 wrote: http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0200, drago01 wrote: The promise makes quite sure to tell you you have no right[1], but you can infringe that they won't sue *you*[2]. [1] = means you can't do it with GPL

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Julian Aloofijulian.fedorali...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Dienstag, den 07.07.2009, 15:36 +0200 schrieb drago01: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Jonathan Underwoodjonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/7 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2009-07-07

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:06:02PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0200, drago01 wrote: The promise makes

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
Promise != Community Promise Oh, and drago01: I doubt that any lawyer would interprets it the way [Riu does]. I don't about exact agreement with Riu's specific arguments, but they sure don't seem to share /your/ comfort level. I stated serval times that I am not a laywer and therefore can

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: And no I am not doing something illegal because the company which holds the patents stated in a legally binding document that I can implement this standards as long as I don't sue them over a patent that is covered

Re: rawhide report: 20090705 changes

2009-07-06 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Josh Boyerjwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 06:46:36PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 11:21:58AM +, Rawhide Report wrote: kernel-2.6.31-0.42.rc2.fc12 --- * Sat Jul 04 2009 Chuck Ebbert

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-05 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Bojan Smojverbo...@rexursive.com wrote: Now that .1 is out, is there anything in particular stopping F-11 from having this kernel? Worth mentioning— .30 makes a non-backwards-compatible

Re: readline update?

2009-07-04 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Patrice Dumas wrote: Certainly not. Many very useful package are not utf8 aware Those packages need to be fixed. It is not acceptable that we ship applications which don't work properly in our default locales. You can't

Re: readline update?

2009-07-03 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote: Miroslav Lichvar wrote: I'd like to update readline to the latest version 6.0. The problem is that the license was changed to GPLv3+ and we have some GPLv2 packages using readline. A possible replacement is the

Re: rawhide report: 20090702 changes

2009-07-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Rawhide Reportrawh...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Compose started at Thu Jul  2 06:15:05 UTC 2009 ... New package ldd-pdf        Linux Device Drivers, Third Edition Book in PDF format We ship books as packages? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: rawhide report: 20090702 changes

2009-07-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Yes and this is not even the first time. Dive Into Python has been in the repo for ages already. That doesn't mean it's compliant with our guidelines on shipping content. I really don't see what

Re: rawhide report: 20090702 changes

2009-07-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Rahul Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 07/02/2009 06:58 PM, Adam Miller wrote: +1 on the Books idea Does this look ok? --- comps-f12.xml.in.orig       2009-07-02 15:39:02.0 +0530 +++ comps-f12.xml.in    2009-07-02 19:49:32.108616562 +0530

Re: rawhide report: 20090702 changes

2009-07-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Adam Millermaxamill...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:14 AM, drago01drag...@gmail.com wrote: If the content enhances the OS user experience, then the content is OK to be packaged in Fedora. This means, for example, that things like: fonts, themes,

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-07-02 Thread drago01
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Bill Nottinghamnott...@redhat.com wrote: Glen Turner (g...@gdt.id.au) said: That's a really crappy place for that message, though. What's the user supposed to do there... reboot and then go download another 700MB - 4GB? Yes it's a crappy place. I knew that when

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-06-30 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Matej Ceplmc...@redhat.com wrote: Kevin Kofler, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:08:11 +0200: I'm not familiar with the JavaScript story, but if he really recommended against using it, there was certainly a valid reason. His point was that thousands of line of hardly

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-29 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Josh Boyer wrote: It is not obvious to me without seeing comparison data as to why it's such a good thing to have numerous stable updates. It's a good thing because those updates fix bugs, update translations and in

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-06-29 Thread drago01
Another don't use $LANGUAGE because its evil post from RMS. ($LANGUAGE has been Java, Javascript and now C#). As for mono it is simply treated the same as other packages if there are legal issues it can be removed, if not there is no reason to do anything. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Roberto Ragusam...@robertoragusa.it wrote: I propose: FEDORA LIVE CD Fedora includes many desktops. You can choose:  [ * ]  Fedora Live with GNOME (default)  [   ]  Fedora Live with KDE  

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Ben Boeckelmaths...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Niels Haase wrote: I wonder if we could find also a way to get the 32bit vs. 64bit choice also so smart integrated? Like a additional radio button at the end for choosing

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