Re: [fedora-india] Fedora - India meet logs
I'm a CS student and interested in C++ coding. Could you suggest some projects? http://live.gnome.org/Gnote Cheers, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Debayan Banerjee debaya...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/23 sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com No. However, it is expected that Ambassadors will involve themselves in other aspects of The Fedora Project as well. Packaging can be one such. Is it required for an ambassador to choose among the different ways of contributing from say, this page http://fedoraproject.org/join-fedora ? I am not saying that it be made mandatory to choose such a stream of contribution upfront, but having that in the formal process will help others identify who is good at what at a later stage too. The last time this was proposed, FAmSCo had reservations accepting it. But, it could be placed again with the current FAmSCo as a proposal. http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog/2009/12/11/studentcontributorambassador/ has my take on it. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog Sent from Brisbane, Qld, Australia ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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1. It will be nice if we could have a backlog items that fedora-india packagers are currently reviewing or is in the pipeline. This could be sent to this mailing list periodically so we can see who needs help, and it can also be discussed during our regular IRC meet-ups. While we are on this topic, I was reviewing a few packages and the reviews got blocked due to one reason or the other and once those were resolved I got really busy with other things. Would be really nice if someone could step up to finish them off. The most interesting of these are the ones to get SUSE's Zypp stack to work on Fedora: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=447738 - libzypp https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=447740 - zypper https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442714 - sat-solver At that time those did not work with RPM 4.6 that Fedora had, and the reviews got blocked till upstream made the fixes. I am told the fixes are in place but RPM has also moved along since then one has to make sure that the Zypp folks have kept up with RPM. So if someone is willing to spend some time with RPM, Yum and Zypp on Rawhide then he/she can try continuing the reviews. Thanks, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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Hi, --- On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: | How can this report generation be done for the first time and, | automated thence forth ? \-- Someone from the Fedora Infrastructure team can answer this? I don't know the Infrastructure setup but, I believe this can be obtained from the FAS accounts? --- | Do we have lesser number of contributors who are permitted to | undertake official/unofficial reviews ? \-- Anyone part of the packaging team can do the review, I believe. Sponsors are the people who give the final approval. --- | Or, is it a function of such | people not undertaking them often enough ? \-- This needs to be answered by newcomers. --- | I'd agree. However, a quick and trivial trawl of the packages under | review or, packages reviewed tell me that the trend is more across | special niches. Do you think that is not the way to go forward ? \-- Special niches are fine. The people who are part of it have their objectives, goals defined, and their vision is clear. What is required is to assist newcomers to align their interests to any of the sub-projects where they begin work. --- | How can we make the newcomers feel that they are being welcome and, | provide them with the feedback loop that makes them sustaining | contributors ? \-- Raise the flag, immediately! If newcomers are stuck or need help, please don't hesitate to ping on IRC (#fedora-india), or simply write to this list. Seriously, we are least bothered about English or grammar. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone part of the packaging team can do the review, I believe. Sponsors are the people who give the final approval. So, is everyone who is 'permitted' do undertake a review, actually doing reviews ? While we are building up newer participants, the existing ones have the duty to be doing their bits. | How can we make the newcomers feel that they are being welcome and, | provide them with the feedback loop that makes them sustaining | contributors ? \-- Raise the flag, immediately! If newcomers are stuck or need help, please don't hesitate to ping on IRC (#fedora-india), or simply write to this list. Seriously, we are least bothered about English or grammar. Which brings forth a different question - have we unconsciously or, consciously given off the impression that newcomers with their questions are unwelcome ? If we have, that attitude needs to be worked upon. Let us put our heads together and work this out. We now have lots of active folks who are doing stellar work - this is a good time to aim higher. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog Sent from Brisbane, Qld, Australia ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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Hi, --- On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: | Which brings forth a different question - have we unconsciously or, | consciously given off the impression that newcomers with their | questions are unwelcome ? \-- No. It is the false assumption that people have that they need to be fluent to converse, especially when they are non-native speakers of a language. In this regard, mentors (Sponsors) have to work closely with packaging newcomers when they begin work. Regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: I see several review requests are being untouched/unapproved for months. Can you please push across the URLs to the ones you noticed ? -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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2009/12/23 Arun SAG wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:42 AM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: Can you please push across the URLs to the ones you noticed ? Emacs jabber https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508316 the owner is rakesh it has been there for 6 months. Mbuf really wanted this package, i remember him asking for some one to review it in #fedora-devel. [..] Usually emacs addon packages do take somewhat longer then necessary. It hasn't be assigned to anyone. I have been fairly active on my side. What I would suggest is those who are really interested in helping out, ping Review Sig and call for meeting or brainstorm at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Package_Review http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/NEW.html (Has all new ones in queue) http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/REVIEW.html (In progress ones) -- Rakesh Pandit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rakesh freedom, friends, features, first ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: I see several review requests are being untouched/unapproved for months. Thank you for posting the BZ# entries in your other mail. Yes , i do agree that reviewing packages and sponsoring them is a time consuming and tiresome work :-) . There should be a queue or some thing or some limit on time how long the packagers have to wait for a sponsor . The above should be put to the Packaging SIG to work out a solution. If this is put forward in the form of a proposal, it might expedite discussion Potential contributors from india can be asked to file a ticket or something so that new review requests can be tracked and approved ASAP (yes, we can ask them to send an email to the list asking for sponsor/review) . Is there any way to identify contributors from india and _automatically_ add fedora-india to CC list of their review requests? I'd suggest a simpler solution - meet over IRC (#fedora-india) every 10/15 days so that existing or, new review requests can be given a look-see. We do not have too many reviewers but this form of collaborative working might see is increasing our reviewer and packager base. It would need someone to take a lead in arranging the meetings and, ensuring that there are a couple of the reviewers available for a discussion. Keeping the logs would be helpful too. If you are looking for tooling to create a list of existing/new review requests from folks from India, it should perhaps be trivial to use the data in FAS and, do a look-up on BZ to produce a simple report. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog Sent from Brisbane, Qld, Australia ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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Hi, --- On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: | Emacs jabber https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508316 the owner | is rakesh it has been there for 6 months. Mbuf really wanted this package, \-- It opens up a lot of possibilities, especially those that use XMPP. --- | remember him asking for some one to review it in #fedora-devel. \-- Jason Tibbits (tibbs|h) is one of the reviewers for Emacs add-ons, I believe. But, he said his work queue was full. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote: Jason Tibbits (tibbs|h) is one of the reviewers for Emacs add-ons, I believe. But, he said his work queue was full. How can we get going with [1] unofficial reviews and, [2] official reviews ? Do we have a good number of folks who are capable of [2] ? -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog Sent from Brisbane, Qld, Australia ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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2009/12/23 sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote: Jason Tibbits (tibbs|h) is one of the reviewers for Emacs add-ons, I believe. But, he said his work queue was full. How can we get going with [1] unofficial reviews and, [2] official reviews ? Do we have a good number of folks who are capable of [2] ? Can it be made mandatory for all Fedora Ambassadors to demonstrate reasonably good skills in packaging? -- Regards, Debayan Banerjee ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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Can it be made mandatory for all Fedora Ambassadors to demonstrate reasonably good skills in packaging? No. -- Regards, Susmit. = http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit = ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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2009/12/23 susmit shannigrahi thinklinux@gmail.com Can it be made mandatory for all Fedora Ambassadors to demonstrate reasonably good skills in packaging? No. ok. -- Regards, Debayan Banerjee ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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On 12/20/2009 02:02 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: snip hi, We had quite a meeting. The agenda was pretty small and was discussed quickly. Here are the logs for people who couldnt make it: Quick overview: - Arun almost took a mini tut for packaging ;) Reading through the logs, I would be interested in Arun's take on what was the positive or less than positive aspects of taking the first steps? What worked out well? What needs improvement from the project to make it easy for potential contributors? Rahul ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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snip hi, We had quite a meeting. The agenda was pretty small and was discussed quickly. People present (lines said) 1. franciscod (123) 2. hiemanshu (84) 3. zer0c00l (71) 4. mbuf (60) 5. ashwin_man (30) 6. skbohra (22) 7. vermapratyush (19) 8. jdk2588 (17) 9. dilipkhanolkar (17) 10. Morpheuss (7) 11. vAMsHI (6) 12. Prajwal (5) 13. manud (4) 14. zodbot (3) 15. kushal (2) 16. moorthykmd (2) 17. SeaOrifice (2) Here are the logs for people who couldnt make it: Quick overview: - Arun almost took a mini tut for packaging ;) - vermapratyush introduced himself - jdk2588 and skbohra gave a few details about the lug bikaner site, and their planned release party - ashwin_man gave his views on F12 (he has some troubleshooting to do) - franciscod gave a quick roundup of his F12 feedback and his recent activities - queries on packaging were cleared (mbuf, hiemanshu,franciscod, zer0c00l) - a brief discussion on upcoming GNUnify - a brief course plan for fudcon india next year - hiemanshu brought the packaging week some focus (its planned on #fedora-classroom) http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-india/2009-12-20/fedora-india.2009-12-20-06.29.html http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-india/2009-12-20/fedora-india.2009-12-20-06.29.txt http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-india/2009-12-20/fedora-india.2009-12-20-06.29.log.html Thank you all for coming. The next meet would be in the first week of January 2010. regards, Ankur (franciscod) ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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Hi, --- On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: | - a brief course plan for fudcon india next year \-- Ticket raised: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-india/ticket/48 Aren't e-mails sent to fedora-india mailing lists as tickets are issued, or updated? SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote: --- On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: | - a brief course plan for fudcon india next year \-- Ticket raised: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-india/ticket/48 Aren't e-mails sent to fedora-india mailing lists as tickets are issued, or updated? An useful URL is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/Organization. I had earlier posted the announcement notice of GNUnify. It would be nice if we could spend some time on the following: * plan on what to do at GNUnify * plan on what aspects of GNUnify can be a build-up to a FUDCon For an event like FUDCon, a minimum of 4 months notice needs to be in place. This generally allows speakers, participants and, the organizers to iron out every wrinkle that one can foresee. Circling back to GNUnify. Since the dates are out, it would be a good time to figure out who are planning to attend the event from outside of Pune and, what they want to do. This would also help in making budget decisions around GNUnify. Historically, the GNUnify organizers have been agreeable towards providing facilities to conduct our own thing as long as there are no extra-ordinary demands. Since we are going to be at GNUnify, it would be good to follow the usual process: * having an owner for the event presence * having a listing on the Events page * having a wiki page to plan out the possible speakers/sessions On the last point, it would be wonderful to have a day long effort for students and new faces in FOSS, from various Fedora folks covering topics like: * Quick overview of FOSS * Importance of Community and Communication (a quick demonstration of IRC and such) * Creating FAS accounts, learning about Planet Fedora * RPM Packaging basics (all participants make one package at least) * Obtaining and building from sources (build tools and environments) * Using Bugzilla (how to file a bug/request) * Debugging and Testing (how to debug, test a patch) This year, I have repeatedly pointed out two things - first, we are being unable to take steps beyond installation fests and, second, we are unable to tap the existing talent of the participants and make substantial headway into various parts of The Fedora Project. Both will happen given enough time, but we need to also put the plans into action that will enable these to become reality. A reminder to all those who contributed to the FOSS.IN retrospective thread or, attended the event - please do take some time to look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sankarshan/fossin09_feedback It is indeed good that we had a discussion on the list, distilling them into a set of actions would be excellent. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: Quick overview: - Arun almost took a mini tut for packaging ;) - vermapratyush introduced himself - jdk2588 and skbohra gave a few details about the lug bikaner site, and their planned release party - ashwin_man gave his views on F12 (he has some troubleshooting to do) - franciscod gave a quick roundup of his F12 feedback and his recent activities - queries on packaging were cleared (mbuf, hiemanshu,franciscod, zer0c00l) - a brief discussion on upcoming GNUnify - a brief course plan for fudcon india next year - hiemanshu brought the packaging week some focus (its planned on #fedora-classroom) Thank you. The logs were most helpful in the response later in the thread. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog Sent from Brisbane, Qld, Australia ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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* Quick overview of FOSS * Importance of Community and Communication (a quick demonstration of IRC and such) * Creating FAS accounts, learning about Planet Fedora * RPM Packaging basics (all participants make one package at least) * Obtaining and building from sources (build tools and environments) * Using Bugzilla (how to file a bug/request) * Debugging and Testing (how to debug, test a patch) * Contributing to fedora-websites. * Contributing to fedora-design * Collection of projects that can involve students. For example, Mathieu (in 'cc) is looking for a helping hand with Shomyu for a long time. It will involve TG2 and Openlayers/OSM. I am sure there are others who are in need for the same. If we can collect such projects and keep them on a wiki page, we _may_ get a few students involved in coding. -- Regards, Susmit. = http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit = Sent from Calcutta, WB, India ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
