Rethinking the Ralink wireless driver situation

2007-06-20 Thread Jonathan Underwood
Hi, In F-7 a decision was made to bundle in the rt2x00 wireless drivers for Ralink cards. I contend this was a poor decision because, simply put, they do not work. Not for any ralink chipset device I have tried (and I've tried several). Upstream rt2x00 developers have also gone on a 3 month

Re: kmods poll

2007-06-20 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 09:21 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 08:04 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: I'm mostly just rambling. In the past, there has been some vocal dissent for having kmods period, so I wanted to know the opinions from people on a more targeted list than

Re: kmods poll

2007-06-20 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:55 +0800, David Woodhouse wrote: On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 15:01 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: I'd like to just do a brief poll here just to see how many are yay or nay for kmods. And I'm not talking about their current implementation or the other various ways that the idea

Re: kmods poll

2007-06-20 Thread Chuck Ebbert
On 06/20/2007 11:12 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: And if it isn't good enough for upstream to ship and support, why in $DEITY's name would we want to ship it, again? *cough* squashfs *cough cough* wireless-dev *cough* CFS *cough hack* xen *cough* ... exec-shield

Re: kmods poll

2007-06-20 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 11:15 -0400, Chuck Ebbert wrote: On 06/20/2007 11:12 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: And if it isn't good enough for upstream to ship and support, why in $DEITY's name would we want to ship it, again? *cough* squashfs *cough cough* wireless-dev *cough* CFS *cough hack* xen

Re: kmods poll

2007-06-20 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 10:12 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: If it's good enough for Fedora to ship and support, we can put it in the main kernel package. Besides; if it's good enough for Fedora to ship and Which is something I suggested later in this thread. And if it isn't good enough for

Re: kmods poll

2007-06-20 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:39 +0800, David Woodhouse wrote: Ok, out of those really only squashfs and xen aren't immediately headed towards some kind of upstream inclusion. Is squashfs not headed upstream? squashfs gets posted every few months, people come back with complaints, the

Re: kmods poll

2007-06-20 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:39 +0800, David Woodhouse wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 10:12 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: If it's good enough for Fedora to ship and support, we can put it in the main kernel package. Besides; if it's good enough for Fedora to ship and Which is something I

Re: CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND

2007-06-20 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 01:39:47PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Dave Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Of course, upstream doesn't seem all that inclined[1] to make it so that devices can actually work. *sigh* Adding udev callouts as he suggests shouldn't be difficult though

eu-unstrip

2007-06-20 Thread Roland McGrath
There was some complaining here about problems dealing with separate debuginfo files. In elfutils-0.128, in an f6 and fc7 update near you, there is now eu-strip. This doesn't improve any non-elfutils tools you were using that weren't handling separate debuginfo well, but it makes it easy to