Board appointment

2009-06-04 Thread Paul W. Frields
I am pleased to announce that John Poelstra is our first appointment to the Fedora Project Board for this cycle. His term will last until the selection process following the release of Fedora 13, in accordance with the Board's established succession planning. Many of our contributors know John

Re: When I modified the koji server'ip from one to another, the yum use the old ip already!

2009-06-04 Thread Mike McLean
李建 wrote: Good,the method you give is simple.I'll test later.My repo table in sql now is following,Did you can tell me what's mean about state=3 ? and state=1 ,and state=2 ? from koji/__init__.py: REPO_STATES = Enum(( 'INIT', 'READY', 'EXPIRED', 'DELETED', 'PROBLEM', )) So

lower N-V-R used in buildroot

2009-06-04 Thread Dan Horák
Hi, in koji for Fedora/s390x I have 2 builds for wxGTK package https://s390.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7367 wxGTK-2.8.9-4.fc11 wxGTK-2.8.10-1.fc11 the higher NVR build is older but the lower NVR is used in the buildroot used to build a package (like wxPython) that

Re: lower N-V-R used in buildroot

2009-06-04 Thread Mike Bonnet
Dan Horák wrote: Hi, in koji for Fedora/s390x I have 2 builds for wxGTK package https://s390.koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7367 wxGTK-2.8.9-4.fc11 wxGTK-2.8.10-1.fc11 the higher NVR build is older but the lower NVR is used in the buildroot used to build a package (like

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Conrad Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 03 June 2009 10:23:05 pm Ralf Corsepius wrote: Let me try an analogy: How do you handle defects/malfunctions with your car? Did a bunch of hobbyists from around the world build your car by communicating over the internet? Have you ever seen an open source

Re: (Most) Results from the Candidate Questionnaire are available now

2009-06-04 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 03.06.2009 21:28, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: As you might remember, we collected a list of questions that a few days ago were sent to the Candidates of the next Fedora Board/FESCo Elections(¹). I got most answers back in between (dgilmore should follow soon; no response from ianweller yet,

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Conrad Meyer
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 11:40:42 pm Ralf Corsepius wrote: Conrad Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 03 June 2009 10:23:05 pm Ralf Corsepius wrote: Let me try an analogy: How do you handle defects/malfunctions with your car? Did a bunch of hobbyists from around the world build your car by

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Kevin Kofler wrote: Steve Grubb wrote: Not if its closed. How would I be notified that the fix is in Fedora? If the bug is severe enough, shouldn't the upstream commit be applied to Fedora's package and the package pushed out for testing? Is all this going to happen if the bug is closed?

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread David Tardon
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 07:23:05AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Steven M. Parrish wrote: Many people have mentioned that it is not right to ask the users to file their bug reports upstream. I ask why not? Let me summarize what I already wrote elsewhere in this thread: * Users aren't

Re: KPackageKit fail

2009-06-04 Thread Michal Schmidt
Dne Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:34:40 +0200 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com napsal(a): I'm testing Rawhide with latest updates and KPackageKit fails to do updates, I get this error log: http://fpaste.org/paste/13851 It is works for you haven't tested it please do, if it works for you then

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: I consider maintainers redirecting arbitrary reporters to upstreams to be rude and hostile, because they are presuming the reporter to be * interested in tracking down bugs If you don't care about your bug, why are you reporting it in the first place?

Re: evolution header: Mime-version: 1.0

2009-06-04 Thread Christoph Höger
Am Mittwoch, den 03.06.2009, 10:09 -0700 schrieb Johannes Erdfelt: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009, Christoph Höger choe...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: I see a small problem with evolution when sending to mailinglists. Obviously evolution puts: Mime-version: 1.0 in the header, hypermail searches for

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Jueves 04 Junio 2009 08:59:23 Ralf Corsepius escribió: Kevin Kofler wrote: Steve Grubb wrote: Not if its closed. How would I be notified that the fix is in Fedora? If the bug is severe enough, shouldn't the upstream commit be applied to Fedora's package and the package pushed out for

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Michal Hlavinka
Hello, I don't want to start a long thread, but just to ask a couple questions for my own clarification. Does a maintainer's responsibilities end with packaging bugs? IOW, if there is a problem in the package that is _broken code_ do they need to do something about it or is it acceptable for

Packager = Programmer?

2009-06-04 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)
Does trying to become a packager. Involve being currently a Developer, as in Programming skills\certification, whether Perl\Python\c++ etc. Frank -- msn: frankly3d skype: frankly3d Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List Still Learning, Unicode where possible -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Miércoles 03 Junio 2009 22:27:13 Kevin Kofler escribió: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: Most bugs are filled by quite technically skilled users. For average users it doesn't depend if it is RH bugzilla or upstream's bugzilla - it's too complicated for them. I know - it's another story... For

Re: Packager = Programmer?

2009-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/04/2009 01:13 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote: Does trying to become a packager. Involve being currently a Developer, as in Programming skills\certification, whether Perl\Python\c++ etc. Not necessarily. It's useful to understand the codebase but if you have a active upstream

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Miércoles 03 Junio 2009 23:35:07 Adam Williamson escribió: On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 22:57 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Steve Grubb wrote: And then should the bug be closed hoping that one day you pull in a package that solves the user's problem? If the bug is fixed upstream, the Fedora

Re: evolution header: Mime-version: 1.0

2009-06-04 Thread Christoph Höger
Am Donnerstag, den 04.06.2009, 09:30 +0200 schrieb Christoph Höger: Am Mittwoch, den 03.06.2009, 10:09 -0700 schrieb Johannes Erdfelt: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009, Christoph Höger choe...@cs.tu-berlin.de wrote: I see a small problem with evolution when sending to mailinglists. Obviously

Re: Fedora 11 Test Day survey

2009-06-04 Thread Michal Hlavinka
1. How did you find out about Fedora Test Days? fedora-devel-list 2. Was sufficient documentation available to help you participate in a Fedora Test Day? If not, what did you find missing or in need of improvement? mostly, see examples: good: Test Day:2009-03-26 Nouveau /sbin/lspci -d

Re: KPackageKit fail

2009-06-04 Thread Mary Ellen Foster
2009/6/4 Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com: Dne Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:34:40 +0200 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com napsal(a): I'm testing Rawhide with latest updates and KPackageKit fails to do updates, I get this error log: http://fpaste.org/paste/13851 It is works for you haven't

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Tim Waugh
My own opinion is that the package maintainer is responsible for reporting bugs upstream when they are able to reproduce them. One reason for my belief is that I've seen the situation from the other side: as an upstream maintainer for a package, getting bug reports directly from users of a

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Matej Cepl
Jaroslav Reznik, Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:01:01 +0200: Most bugs are filled by quite technically skilled users. It doesn't seem so from my point of view. Depends on the importance of the bug (when Xorg doesn't start at all, they find a way to bugzilla). Moreover, we want to move from fora to

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Matej Cepl
Ralf Corsepius, Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:01:46 +0200: We are not forcing anyone to do anything but we think direct communication between user and developer is much more better I consider maintainers redirecting arbitrary reporters to upstreams to be rude and hostile, because they are presuming

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)
Matej Cepl wrote: but I think if somebody skilled in programming Perl (hint, hint) would work on https:// bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=189813 (and its upstream counterparts), situation of our reporters COULD improve. Matěj Is it time then to setup

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Till Maas
On Wed June 3 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: And I don't think we can make bug reports any easier, the point is that the information is required, those complicated forms are there to request the information we need. I disagree: On https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora there are

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Matej Cepl
Adam Williamson, Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:35:07 -0700: There's an obvious answer to this question: we track the importance of issues to Fedora via the Fedora bug tracker, not via upstream bug trackers. There's no way I can mark a bug in the KDE bug tracker as blocking the release of Fedora 12. For

Question about web applications

2009-06-04 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
Hi, I submitted ampache (http://ampache.org/) for review, but I was told that it could not use any external software bundled in the code. In fact, it uses getid3, a file that seems to come from horde (horde/Browser.php), and some others. According to the weekpedia

Re: Orphaning Packages: audacious and dependencies

2009-06-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:31:27 -0300, Paulo wrote: Hi. As I don't have the time to maintain audacious any more I'm orphaning the following packages: audacious audacious-plugins libmowgli mcs The last two are dependencies which, as far as I am aware, are used by nothing else.

Re: Question about web applications

2009-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/04/2009 03:53 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: Hi, I submitted ampache (http://ampache.org/) for review, but I was told that it could not use any external software bundled in the code. In fact, it uses getid3, a file that seems to come from horde (horde/Browser.php), and some others.

Re: KPackageKit fail

2009-06-04 Thread Mary Ellen Foster
2009/6/4 Mary Ellen Foster mefos...@gmail.com: 2009/6/4 Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com: http://fpaste.org/paste/13851 Looks like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502399 Actually, it's probably https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503989 ... Sorry, should have read the

Re: Question about web applications

2009-06-04 Thread David Nalley
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I submitted ampache (http://ampache.org/) for review, but I was told that it could not use any external software bundled in the code. In fact, it uses getid3, a file that seems to come from horde

Re: (Most) Results from the Candidate Questionnaire are available now

2009-06-04 Thread Andreas Thienemann
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Till Maas wrote: I tried to add such a table[0], but I failed to enable the horizotnal scrollbar. I even enabled javascript for the wiki, but it still does not work. Is this somehow broken in our mediawiki CSS setup? I noticed the css files contain overflow:hidden in

Re: Question about web applications

2009-06-04 Thread David Nalley
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I submitted ampache (http://ampache.org/) for review, but I was told

Re: Packager = Programmer?

2009-06-04 Thread Bryan Kearney
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/04/2009 01:13 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote: Does trying to become a packager. Involve being currently a Developer, as in Programming skills\certification, whether Perl\Python\c++ etc. Not necessarily. It's useful to understand the codebase but if you have a

Re: Fedora 11 Test Day survey

2009-06-04 Thread Till Maas
On Wed June 3 2009, James Laska wrote: 1. How did you find out about Fedora Test Days? devel mailing list 2. Was sufficient documentation available to help you participate in a Fedora Test Day? If not, what did you find missing or in need of improvement? Yes. 3. Did you encounter any

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 4 juin 2009 12:04, Till Maas a écrit : In conclusion, more than 66% of the form elements can be removed for the unexperienced bug reporter. Last time I reported this problem in the bugzilla component of redhat bugzilla (I complained about all the columns in list view no one uses when

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/04/2009 05:48 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Last time I reported this problem in the bugzilla component of redhat bugzilla (I complained about all the columns in list view no one uses when last change is not even displayed) the answer was that the people in charge did not want to deviate

Re: Question about web applications

2009-06-04 Thread Jon Ciesla
David Nalley wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I submitted ampache (http://ampache.org/)

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Till Maas [04/06/2009 13:41] : In conclusion, more than 66% of the form elements can be removed for the unexperienced bug reporter. Also the component selection process could be made You are seeing some of these elements because you are in the 'editbugs' group. Unexperienced bug

Client-side certificate generation error

2009-06-04 Thread Andrea Musuruane
Hi all, my client-side certificate is expired. I tried to generate a new one on the Fedora Account System, but I get an error saying Your certificate could not be generated.. Not very helpful as an error message. I do not know what should I do. Can someone help? Thanks, Andrea. --

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ralf Corsepius wrote: You are still presuming your users to be interested in developing and working on your package. This simply does not apply - They want to use your package. I see 2 possibilities: * either the user wants his/her bug fixed, in that case he/she is responsible for reporting

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tim Waugh wrote: It can be a frustrating experience because the person reporting the bug can never be quite sure which version they are using (due to additional patches used in packaging), and generally are not able to try out suggested patches or pull from a source code repository. We can

Re: Question about web applications

2009-06-04 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net wrote: David Nalley wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:00 AM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti

Re: Question about web applications

2009-06-04 Thread Jon Ciesla
Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net mailto:l...@jcomserv.net wrote: David Nalley wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com mailto:pro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun

Re: Question about web applications

2009-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/04/2009 06:57 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: Thank you Jon. I will start with getid3. It would be nice if we had a list of packages missing available elsewhere, so people, interested in helping, could choose what to pack. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
You are still presuming your users to be interested in developing and working on your package. This simply does not apply - They want to use your package. I see 2 possibilities: * either the user wants his/her bug fixed, in that case he/she is responsible for reporting it to the

Re: Orphaning Packages: audacious and dependencies

2009-06-04 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:46:27 +0200, Ralf wrote: Hi. As I don't have the time to maintain audacious any more I'm orphaning the following packages: audacious audacious-plugins libmowgli mcs The last

Re: Question about web applications

2009-06-04 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net wrote: Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net wrote: David Nalley wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:00

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ralf Corsepius wrote: Me thinks, your are just being lazy and are trying to rudely push around Fedora's user base. customer-friendliness is something entirely different from your attitude. Fedora's customers aren't paying us anything, so they can't expect to get the equivalent of paid

Re: Announcing Fedora Activity Day - Fedora Development Cycle 2009

2009-06-04 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 06/03/2009 07:48 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: Not necessarily. I don't see why the Fedora Project couldn't qualify as a Sponsored Participant on Internet2 [1]. In fact, Red Hat is already connected in Raleigh. I think this is because they're technically on NC State University. ~spot --

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matej Cepl wrote: I am quite surprised to totally agree with you this time ;-), and I am even more surprised to finally a situation where actually technology could help to resolve interpersonal problems, but I think if somebody skilled in programming Perl (hint, hint) would work on https://

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: There's an obvious answer to this question: we track the importance of issues to Fedora via the Fedora bug tracker, not via upstream bug trackers. There's no way I can mark a bug in the KDE bug tracker as blocking the release of Fedora 12. If the bug is important enough

Re: Client-side certificate generation error

2009-06-04 Thread Andrea Musuruane
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Thu June 4 2009, Andrea Musuruane wrote:     my client-side certificate is expired. I tried to generate a new one on the Fedora Account System, but I get an error saying Your certificate could not be generated.. Not very

Re: Unbootable machine

2009-06-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/02/09 07:10, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 06/02/09 03:43, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Disk /dev/sdb: 2055 MB, 2055208960 bytes 221 heads, 2 sectors/track, 9081 cylinders I don't know where fdisk, the Linux kernel, or whatever come up with these

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michal Hlavinka wrote: What if upstream answers: ok, thanks for bug report, please try this patch... or I've fixed it in repo, please try svn snapshot, if it's fixed for you? In that case we can roll a fixed package (e.g. as a scratch build). (If upstream says try a current snapshot, it

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3d)
Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: Me thinks, your are just being lazy and are trying to rudely push around Fedora's user base. customer-friendliness is something entirely different from your attitude. Fedora's customers aren't paying us anything, That's the way it was\is setup.

Re: Unbootable machine

2009-06-04 Thread John Reiser
H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 06/02/09 03:43, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Disk /dev/sdb: 2055 MB, 2055208960 bytes 221 heads, 2 sectors/track, 9081 cylinders I don't know where fdisk, the Linux kernel, or whatever come up with these kinds of geometries.

Re: Packager = Programmer?

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote: Does trying to become a packager. Involve being currently a Developer, as in Programming skills\certification, whether Perl\Python\c++ etc. And to answer that part, you don't need any sort of certification to become a Fedora packager, you just need to write one

rawhide report: 20090604 changes

2009-06-04 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Jun 4 06:15:04 UTC 2009 Summary: Added Packages: 0 Removed Packages: 0 Modified Packages: 0 Broken deps for ppc64 -- cabal2spec-0.12-1.fc11.noarch requires ghc 0:6.10.1-7 -- fedora-devel-list

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 08:54 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Conrad Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 03 June 2009 11:40:42 pm Ralf Corsepius wrote: Conrad Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 03 June 2009 10:23:05 pm Ralf Corsepius wrote: Let me try an analogy: How do you handle defects/malfunctions with your

Re: Announcing Fedora Activity Day - Fedora Development Cycle 2009

2009-06-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway wrote: On 06/03/2009 07:48 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: Not necessarily. I don't see why the Fedora Project couldn't qualify as a Sponsored Participant on Internet2 [1]. In fact, Red Hat is already connected in Raleigh. I think this is because they're

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Michal Hlavinka
What if upstream answers: ok, thanks for bug report, please try this patch... or I've fixed it in repo, please try svn snapshot, if it's fixed for you? In that case we can roll a fixed package (e.g. as a scratch build). (If upstream says try a current snapshot, it should be fixed, I'll

Re: Announcing Fedora Activity Day - Fedora Development Cycle 2009

2009-06-04 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 10:56:34AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway wrote: On 06/03/2009 07:48 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: Not necessarily. I don't see why the Fedora Project couldn't qualify as a Sponsored Participant on Internet2 [1]. In fact, Red Hat is

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michal Hlavinka wrote: Yes, but how will you notice reporter needs (your) help if bug is closed upstream? By CCing ourselves on the upstream bug when we close ours. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Mary Ellen Foster
2009/6/4 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at: Michal Hlavinka wrote: Yes, but how will you notice reporter needs (your) help if bug is closed upstream? By CCing ourselves on the upstream bug when we close ours.        Kevin Kofler Speaking as a semi-frequent reporter of Fedora KDE bugs, I

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Paul Howarth
Mary Ellen Foster wrote: 2009/6/4 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at: Michal Hlavinka wrote: Yes, but how will you notice reporter needs (your) help if bug is closed upstream? By CCing ourselves on the upstream bug when we close ours. Kevin Kofler Speaking as a semi-frequent

Re: Packager = Programmer?

2009-06-04 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Does trying to become a packager. Involve being currently a Developer, as in Programming skills\certification, whether Perl\Python\c++ etc. I would put it this way there should be an expectation that

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
David Tardon wrote: On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 07:23:05AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Steven M. Parrish wrote: Many people have mentioned that it is not right to ask the users to file their bug reports upstream. I ask why not? Let me summarize what I already wrote elsewhere in this thread: *

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 06/04/2009 02:01 AM, Tim Waugh wrote: My own opinion is that the package maintainer is responsible for reporting bugs upstream when they are able to reproduce them. One reason for my belief is that I've seen the situation from the other side: as an upstream maintainer for a package,

Re: Packager = Programmer?

2009-06-04 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
I wish I knew how to organize some optional program language specific skills development sessions aimed at packagers that made sense..but I don't.  Nothing like a cert or anything like that, but to introduce packagers and potential packagers to languages just as a good skills building

Re: Packager = Programmer?

2009-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/04/2009 10:18 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: I'd love to learn how autotools, setuptools, and other equivalents for other languages work. Not necessarily because I want to build a project using those, but because I sometimes have a hard time figuring out how to patch a Makefile in

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: Signing up for an upstream Bugzilla account takes at most 5 minutes, ... when being interested in an upstream ... wasting much more time on investigating issues ... There are other packages and packagers (noteworthy many of the @RH) who exhibit

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 17:27 +0100, Paul Howarth wrote: I'll happily raise upstream bugs myself but it irks me when maintainers close Fedora bugs with the UPSTREAM resolution without actually taking the upstream fix and bringing it into Fedora. If I've reported a bug in Fedora bugzilla

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Steve Grubb
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 04:57:32 pm Kevin Kofler wrote: Steve Grubb wrote: And then should the bug be closed hoping that one day you pull in a package that solves the user's problem? If the bug is fixed upstream, the Fedora report can be reopened with a request to backport the fix (but

Re: Fedora 11 Test Day survey

2009-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 10:08 +0200, Michal Hlavinka wrote: 2. Was sufficient documentation available to help you participate in a Fedora Test Day? If not, what did you find missing or in need of improvement? mostly, see examples: good: Test Day:2009-03-26 Nouveau /sbin/lspci -d

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Reindl Harald
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think it is simple BAD to close bugreports with upstream! For me as enduser of fedora i have one bugzilla and i really like to help with bugreports, try things if maintainer needs better explains what happens. But i have no time and no energy to

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Reindl Harald wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think it is simple BAD to close bugreports with upstream! For me as enduser of fedora i have one bugzilla and i really like to help with bugreports, try things if maintainer needs better explains what

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Just to chime in here... I personally try and do the following with my bugs: - Look over the inital report. - Move to ASSIGNED and ask the reporter any further info I need to try and figure out if it's a packaging issue or upstream or bug or enhancement or what. - If its a packaging

Re: Unbootable machine

2009-06-04 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Equally weird. The only standard ones are 64 heads, 32 sectors and 255 heads, 63 sectors. Indeed, repartitioning the USB stick with 32 sectors and 255 heads fixed boot for a previously unbootable computer. 32x255? That's an odd mix? Does 32x64 work on that

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Jud Craft
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: David Tardon wrote: Let me try another analogy: How do you handle health problems? You'll visit your doctor. You'll expect him to identify the problem and to take appropriate steps to solve your issue--that may well

Re: Fedora 11 Test Day survey

2009-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 14:16 +0200, Till Maas wrote: 3. Did you encounter any obstacles preventing participation in Fedora test Days? How might they have been avoided? Did you discover any workaround? The live iso images failed to be converted to live usb media on F10 with a strange

Re: Unbootable machine

2009-06-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/04/09 20:51, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Equally weird. The only standard ones are 64 heads, 32 sectors and 255 heads, 63 sectors. Indeed, repartitioning the USB stick with 32 sectors and 255 heads fixed boot for a previously unbootable computer. 32x255? That's

Re: Unbootable machine

2009-06-04 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Sorry, I mistyped the numbers. It was really 255 heads, 63 sectors: (parted) p Model: LEXAR JD EXPRESSION (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 123,86,26 Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B BIOS cylinder,head,sector geometry: 123,255,63. Each cylinder is 8225kB.

F11 discontinued so fast? :-)

2009-06-04 Thread Krzysztof Halasa
I guess I understand why the following URL is no longer valid, but perhaps the ErrorDocument doesn't work by mistake? http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/x86_64/iso/ Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/x86_64/iso/

Re: F11 discontinued so fast? :-)

2009-06-04 Thread Jochen Schmitt
Krzysztof Halasa schrieb: I guess I understand why the following URL is no longer valid, but perhaps the ErrorDocument doesn't work by mistake? http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/x86_64/iso/ Forbidden The reason is, that the release date of F-11 was sliped

Comaintainers needed - Gnote and Transmission

2009-06-04 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi, Gnote is a port of Tomboy to C++ and will be default in GNOME for Fedora 12 Transmission is a GTK app and the default torrent client for Fedora in GNOME and Xfce (Live CD) Both are active and responsive upstreams and do have frequent releases. If anyone want to be comaintainer, feel free to

Re: Comaintainers needed - Gnote and Transmission

2009-06-04 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Both are active and responsive upstreams and do have frequent releases. If anyone want to be comaintainer, feel free to apply. If you have a good understanding of the codebase or would be able to help with fixes,

Re: F11 discontinued so fast? :-)

2009-06-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009, Krzysztof Halasa wrote: I guess I understand why the following URL is no longer valid, but perhaps the ErrorDocument doesn't work by mistake? http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/x86_64/iso/ f11 is not yet released. -sv --

libmowgli SONAME bump in devel (F-12) only

2009-06-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
A new libmowgli release has been built in devel tree (F-12), which changes the SONAME from libmowgli.so.1 to libmowgli.so.2. Rebuilds are needed for conky kadu-audacious_mediaplayer mcs audacious-plugin* I've rebuilt mcs already and continue with peeking at audacious and its plugins.

Renaming language groups

2009-06-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi, Right now if I do yum grouplist I see something like: ... Portuguese Support Romanian Support Ruby Russian Support Samoan Support Sanskrit Support Sardinian Support Serbian Support Sindhi Support Slovak Support Slovenian Support Somali Support Sound

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 08:45:21PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I think it is simple BAD to close bugreports with upstream! +1 That's one step away from just ignoring the user. So i think the maintainer should play as relay, taking fedora-bugreports and in many cases report them with much

Re: F11 discontinued so fast? :-)

2009-06-04 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 21:12 +0200, Krzysztof Halasa wrote: I guess I understand why the following URL is no longer valid, but perhaps the ErrorDocument doesn't work by mistake? http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Fedora/x86_64/iso/ Forbidden You don't have

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Francis Earl
I think a package maintainers responsibilities should be to incorporate any back-ported bug fixes, and ensure the package is reasonably fit for end users... if they can't do this, I don't think they should be packaging that software (whether it be due to individual skill set, or simply the

Re: Action requested: check dist tags and conditionals

2009-06-04 Thread Julian Sikorski
Bill Nottingham pisze: (If you've never used a construct like %if 0%{?fedora} in your spec file, you can disregard this message.) Many packages in Fedora use release-based conditionals such as: ... %if 0%{?rhel} %endif %if 0%{?fedora} 10 %endif %{?fedora:%global _with_xfce

Re: KPackageKit fail

2009-06-04 Thread Steven M. Parrish
We are aware of the kpackagekit issue and are awaiting a release from the upstream developers. It should be released later today and after a bit of testing I will get it into the repo asap. SMP I'm testing Rawhide with latest updates and KPackageKit fails to do updates, I get this error

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Till Maas wrote: If the new bugfix release update is created, do you include there all RH bugs that are closed UPSTREAM but fixed with this update? Well, we try to reference fixed bugs, but often we don't even know that a bug was fixed by an upstream bugfix release until after the fact. In fact

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Steve Grubb wrote: When bugs are closed, they disappear from the reporter's bz frontpage. That's a Bugzilla misfeature (not to say bug). Bugzilla should default to showing closed bugs. Not just for this case, but also to avoid duplicate reports for: * NOTABUG reports (which keep getting

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mary Ellen Foster wrote: Speaking as a semi-frequent reporter of Fedora KDE bugs, I can say that the process works pretty well for me. Of course, I'm probably somewhat more engaged in the process than average (e.g., I maintain a few packages myself, and I've had an account at bugs.kde.org for

Re: Maintainer Responsibilities

2009-06-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: If, say, the bug is in a package that gets frequent releases, and was filed on the development release, you can just use CLOSED UPSTREAM, because you can rely on the fact that there'll be a new upstream release of the package soon after the upstream report is fixed, you

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