Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?

2009-07-24 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Craig White wrote: > ignoring the reality that PA works for most people out of the box, I > would agree with you but I can't ignore the reality. It works for me. It > has worked for me on every computer I have installed Fedora on. It works > for me on every computer

Re: for kernel newbies on fedora

2009-07-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >  after which i will discover salt, and invent FM radio. No need to invent FM radio. Openradio project already is already working on the driver for one of the devices I need. The Echotek gc314. Its too complicated to easily follow however.

Re: for kernel newbies on fedora

2009-07-22 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >  the next in my ongoing series for kernel newbies, with a fedora > flavour to it.  once a week, like clockwork.  if you follow me on > twitter, you'll know *exactly* when it hits the intertoobz. > >  http://cli.gs/q5XXS9 Can you go back

Re: Do you trust the source of the packages?

2009-07-15 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, brian wrote: > I just tried to run software update again and got the following msg: > > -- snip -- > Do you trust the source of the packages? > > Repository name: updates > Signature URL: /etc/pki/rpm/-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-i386 > Signature user identifier: Fedora

Re: Yum not working after upgrade

2009-06-20 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Colin Paul Adams wrote: > > Yum is not working after I upgraded from F10 to F11. How did you perform the upgrade? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproj

Re: fedora LTS , why not?

2009-03-21 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Tosh wrote: > Please note, CentOS IS A COMMERCIAL SUCCESS > Many bigger enterprises use CentOS, but they do not advertise it and it is > very popular for small & medium enterprises > CentOS/Fedora does lacks the same consumer fame like Ubuntu > Two main reasons acc

Re: fedora LTS , why not?

2009-03-19 Thread Jeff Spaleta
2009/3/19 Adel ESSAFI : > > My idea is to build a distribution that is based on Fedora at 100% with > 1. LTS > 2. with a very reduce number of packages > 3. with proprietary codecs and essentiel software (mp3, flash ) included in. First let me point out that such an effort would not be able to use

Re: Fedora 10 64-bit & Wired Network Problems - New Problem

2009-02-26 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rick Bilonick wrote: > I had to install this. And please, don't short-circuit the diagnose like that. When I ask for specific command output, its not a rhetorical question. I want that command output, I don't want you to interpret or act on it. I don't want you

Re: Fedora 10 64-bit & Wired Network Problems - New Problem

2009-02-26 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rick Bilonick wrote: > I had to install this. I had problems trying to update after the > install. yum kept complaining about about a conflict so I had to remove > all the kde packages - it must have removed too much. Now it boots up > with an X type login screen

Re: Fedora 10 64-bit & Wired Network Problems - New Problem

2009-02-26 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Rick Bilonick wrote: > I'm completely stumped. What else should I check? The kernel is > 2.6.27.15-170.2.24.fc10.x86_64. If I type "startx" I get "No address > associated with name". It says to check /usr/bin/X but this does not > exist. /usr/bin/X doesn't exist?

Re: How do I play this link ?

2009-02-26 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Aldo Foot wrote: > maybe I should've mentioned I did this on CentOS. Ah.. see that's the problem. This is a fedora list. So unless otherwise informed, comments which do not say which linux distribution they are using are going to be taken to mean Fedora...since Fe

Re: Since when doesn't Fedora use xorg.conf ?

2009-02-19 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:18:04 + (UTC) > Beartooth wrote: > >> How about a KVM switch and more than one PC in the mix? > > That depends far more on the KVM switch than anything else. > > My iogear 4 port DVI switch works pretty much flawless

Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)

2009-02-13 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Nataraj wrote: > Does anyone else see unreasonable usage of CPU resources from Firefox? Do you have flash installed? Some sites that have embedded flash video or animations that start on their own will cause my firefox to chew cpu. -jef -- fedora-list mailing

Re: First thoughts on KDE4.2... lots of bugs...

2009-02-13 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > I'm finding a lot of bugs in KDE4.2 A suggestion. Create a fresh user and do some testing with that fresh user account in an effort to isolate potential problems incurred from personal configurations that you have accumulated. Are you using

Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)

2009-02-13 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > This same posting was on the fedora-test list first[1] and I've run my own > tests. I suggest you do your own. Fedora Firefox is sloow. I think the more correct thing to say is that the linux version of Firefox is slow. From my re

Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)

2009-02-13 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > I don't know how to do accurate computer based timing on any of these > firefox operations. But if you are talking about human perceptual > differences on the order of seconds, it might be enough to screencast > your script

Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)

2009-02-13 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > I have been using the Fedora provided builds since F7. Mozilla's upstream linux builds are materially different that what we ship. I believe the Mozilla builds build in some libraries statically and maybe some other compile time differenc

Re: Firefox Faster In Wine Than Native (was Re: Firefox Running Slow in Linux)

2009-02-13 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > So apparently I wasn't just imagining that Firefox on Linux/Fedora is > stupidly slow. Firefox is actually faster in Wine that on Linux > instead. Which firefox builds are you using? Are you using the upstream Mozilla build under wine and

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > It sounds like your example is the exception to the rule. I'm pretty sure we went through the same sort of thing early on in the d-bus process in previous Fedora releases before D-bus announced API stability. And we are going to go th

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Normally, you only need to recompile if there is a major version in > the library. If it is a minor version change, it is supposed to be > backward compatible. This maybe expected for libraries which advertises a stable API, but its no

Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!

2009-02-10 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > Sorry, I am not patching FF with anything out of the tree. It's a plain > jane build, including nspluginwrapper, which, by all accounts should > kill performance. It doesn't. It's much more responsive than fedora's > base FF build. > > Look,

Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!

2009-02-10 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > The biggest one being Firefox. I have no idea what is going on with > Fedora's Firefox, but the exact same set of plugins and configuration on > gentoo and it screams compared to the slug that is FF on Fedora. FF on > fedora is almost unusabl

Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!

2009-02-10 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:05 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > That is well said. We recently deployed some Scientific Linux virtual > machines at our lab, and conary helps there in keeping the size of the > images significantly small. Is SL using conary? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.co

Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!

2009-02-10 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Craig White wrote: > Red Hat/Fedora, Debian (and all derivatives like Ubuntu) and Gentoo all > use different methodologies and philosophies to ultimately give you a > running system and they all work. What? No shout out to rpath and Foresight. From a packaging te

Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!

2009-02-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > That said, rolling updates are the way to go. No need for continual > upgrades to 'releases' just update to the latest version of a package > and be done with it. I'm just not sure a 'major release' design is the > way to go any longer. With

Re: XFCE depends on GNOME, why?

2009-02-05 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Globe Trotter wrote: > So, what is the bug report filed against? The package firefox or the package > gnome or whatever. I really don't think you are going to be able to argue a case for removing the gnomevfs enabled filesystem support from firefox at build time.

Re: talk about your gEDA/pcb

2009-02-05 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: > It is important for both the public and gEDA/gaf developers to know > that people are using gEDA/gaf tools. Currently the gEDA/gaf community > is preparing the next major release 1.6 which we are hoping to get it > in time for F-11. I'm inc

Re: Wifi dies about once an hour. Bug in update ?

2009-02-04 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 07:28 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: >> > I don't have an icon anywhere that I can use to set which wireless >> > connection point I want

Re: RPMfusion & YUM

2009-02-04 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Patrick Topping wrote: > Any ideas??? Thanks in advance. First I want the output of this command rpm -qa "rpmfusion*" then I want the output of these commands: rpm -V rpmfusion-nonfree-release rpm -V rpmfusion-free-release assuming you have those packages

Re: Wifi dies about once an hour. Bug in update ?

2009-02-04 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > I don't have an icon anywhere that I can use to set which wireless > connection point I want to use. How do I get an icon in a panel for > nm-applet ? Is the NetworkManager service running? ps aux|grep Network -jef -- fedora-list mailing l

Re: what is the origin of NM_CONTROLLED=no

2009-02-04 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Mark Ryden wrote: > I don't remember that I did it manually. > > Could it be as a result of chkconfig someService off ? did you you system-config-network to configure the device? The tool has a radio button for NM control. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedo

Re: Wifi dies about once an hour. Bug in update ?

2009-02-03 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > Aside: I'd love to have a network manager like what is shipped with F10 > Live, but I've never been able to figure out how to get it running. If > anyone knows, I'd like to tackle that once I get wlan0 running stable. Unless you mock with the

Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

2009-01-29 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Aldo Foot wrote: > Is rather amusing how this "No root login" thing evolved to just a bad disc. > I apologize for not having had the patience to do a basic media check. Hopefully Gene made the same mistake as Gene is the only other person in this thread that confi

Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

2009-01-29 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > How about finding a python tarball and installing it. Just to get things > started. We have no idea what else failed to install properly. There could be a hundred other packages that were suppose to install. He's already downloaded and bur

Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

2009-01-28 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Aldo Foot wrote: > To clarify: > /usr/bin/python does not exist > /usr/bin/python2 exists and is an empty link to a non-existent > /usr/bin/python binary. All i misread... python binary doesnt exist.. that is consistent with what rpm is saying. > I know this is

Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

2009-01-28 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Aldo Foot wrote: > # rpm -V python > package python is not installed You are saying that the affected system after fresh install appears to not have the python package installed? If that is true that will break far more than just firstboot..far more. In fact its

Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

2009-01-28 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Aldo Foot wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Aldo Foot wrote: >>> If you think it's worth it let's give it a shot and tell me what to do. >> >> looks like fi

Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

2009-01-28 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Aldo Foot wrote: > If you think it's worth it let's give it a shot and tell me what to do. looks like firstboot is failing to run. Hence why its still enabled to run again on next boot. On that freshly installed affected system, does firstboot run manually withou

Re: F10 and Gnome - not root login

2009-01-27 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Aldo Foot wrote: > One has to wonder, what are the odds that two different people had > some weird dvd. > As a side note: I had created the "problem" dvd I used previously on > 12/04/08 ( I dated it), > and that was a few days after the mainstream release on late

Re: Package Manager Denies Permission to Install

2009-01-22 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > But PolicyKit does not work in a root session: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=447266 Hmm...this is probably worthy of some nuanced and masterfully persuasive oratory as to where to strike the balance between designing for expec

Re: Package Manager Denies Permission to Install

2009-01-21 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Kam Leo wrote: > The fallacy is believing you automatically obtain security by auditing > applications running on X for execution by the superuser or preventing > root from logging into X. No one is suggestion that you automatically get security. Security is not a

Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10

2009-01-13 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > I'd REALLY like to have the choice between NM and network in anaconda > during an install or upgrade. But alas, no. Does anyone realize how > hard it is to remotely upgrade a server because of that? I used > preupgrade on one of my systems, u

Re: Netcat on Fedora is a different Netcat

2009-01-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Craig White wrote: > http://directory.fsf.org/project/netcat/ which distributions ship that. OpenSuse isn't shipping that as far as I can tell. Neither is Debian stable. Fedora's never shipped that. It appears to be a fork of the original codebase if I'm reading

Re: Netcat on Fedora is a different Netcat

2009-01-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Giuseppe Fuggiano wrote: > Does that netcat version is shipped under BSD license, or still GNU/GPL? First why do you assume it was GPL before? Can you emphatically state that the license on the version you are expecting was in fact the GPL? I can not find reference

Re: bug? 'yum provides' shows only 32 bit options

2009-01-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Dave Burns wrote: > Is this a bug or what? I wanted to find the 64 bit version of libstdc++.so.5: > > $ yum provides libstdc++.so.5 No not a bug. The 64bit package doesn't actually technically provide that. It provides libstdc++.so.5()(64bit) 64bit libraries are li

Re: Netcat on Fedora is a different Netcat

2009-01-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Giuseppe Fuggiano wrote: > Hi list. > > I recently installed Fedora and today I got a little time after work > to configure it on my laptop. The first thing I did was configure the > network to access to the internet and to my LAN at home. To test the > connectio

Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10

2009-01-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Craig White wrote: > there's someone else besides me that needs a life ;-) Even better, I've written a shell script to screen scraper dbus-monitor output and then send me a desktop notification over dbus when there's an event i care about. D-Bus is somewhat self

Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10

2009-01-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > (I use NM and it just works for me, but if it ever doesn't just work > I'll have no idea why). dbus-monitor --system is always fun to watch. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.c

Re: LibUSB/LibFTDI permissions problem

2009-01-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Dmitri Bachtin wrote: > Additionally: after closing the device on execution as root, it gets > removed and the converter has to be replugged. That I'm not sure about. I'll have to try to reproduce that with the FTDI based usb to serial breakout boards I have on ha

Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > I've been a hardware and software engineer for over 35 years. I've > never subscribed to the "build no mechanism simply if a way can be found > to make it complex and wonderful" mentality of many of my peers. > Obscurity rarely leads to good t

Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > The reason people are confused by NM is because > it is almost completely undocumented. > If something does not work it is doubly annoying > to be told that "it just works". What exactly are you looking for in terms of documentation? Or l

Re: the ATI proprietary driver and F10

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: >> Try: >> system-config-display --reconfig > > I don't have a usable system so probably I can't do that now. You can boot into runlevel 3 which will give you a console login prompt.. no X. login as root at that console and try that command. It

Re: the ATI proprietary driver and F10

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > Mr. Bridgeman (the respondent) is I think a staff engineer at ATI who works > on the process of disclosure of ATI card internals for free software > programmers, so it seems his reply is likely to be authoritative. Fine. But > how do I drop b

Re: How do I allow regular user access to ttyUSB0 ?

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > It certainly looks great. KDE needs an application like this. Is it > worth posting to bugzilla about it ? I dont use KDE. I think there was a thread earlier that a KDE native app for this was going to be in KDE 4.2. I would not bugzilla th

Re: How do I allow regular user access to ttyUSB0 ?

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > This worked. Thanks for the tip. I'm glad I asked. I was about to > hand edit things. This is much nicer. The PolicyKit and ConsoleKit stuff is really really neat, but you have to know about it. It works really well with udev in a way that

Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > This is just a silly implementation change that > didn't need to be made. IMO. Initiating an interface on log in? Why? > I still have yet to see any reasonable explanation. Not that I expect > to get one. Pre-login networking is on the road

Re: How do I allow regular user access to ttyUSB0 ?

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > I have a USB serial port that I use with my laptop. Its a PL2303 > device. Linux recognizes it correctly and assigns it to device > ttyUSB0. > > I am having a problem whereby I can use ttyUSB0 as root but not as a > regular user. I need to

Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > I've installed it on several different machines now, and never got > any functioning networking on any of the installs until I disabled > NetworkManager and enabled network. Do you mean staticly configured networking? -jef -- fedora-list ma

Re: Network Manager, Firefox and more on FC10

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > No kidding. Let me give just one more example. I installed F10 on > another laptop (mine). It's a Compaq Dual core AMD X2 with 8GB RAM. A > fresh install. I booted into it after the install (and setting up my > network info (wired). Logged i

Re: Mount usb drive with mount -a fails after f10 upgrade

2009-01-07 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Joe W. Byers wrote: > I never set this. I hooked this drive up in 2005 and have been using without > any issues since until this upgrade. My server would reboot and notify me > that this needed a check and I did it or did not. Never was a problem until > this upgr

Re: Mount usb drive with mount -a fails after f10 upgrade

2009-01-06 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Joe W. Byers wrote: > Mount count: 8 > Maximum mount count: 1 > Last checked: Sat Jan 3 14:45:33 2009 > Check interval: 15552000 (6 months) > Next check after: Thu Jul 2 15:45:33 2009 Take a moment and review what

Re: Mount usb drive with mount -a fails after f10 upgrade

2009-01-06 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > These are just wild guesses. I'm booting an F10 machine with a couple > of USB drives on it and it works just fine. Granted, the drives are ext3: > >/dev/sdc1 on /media/500GB-Drive type ext3 >(rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)

Re: Yet More Yum Woe

2009-01-01 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Beartooth wrote: >Very Dumb Question : Are these lists telling me what *has been* > removed? Or what I *may wish to* remove, or ...? IOW, am I done?? It did not remove anything. It found and listed the orphans. If you run the same command again, you should

Re: Cheese

2008-12-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Christoph Unger wrote: > Installing and removing gpodder with yum works fine. > I can install cheese, but the icons now don't even > show up in the application menu. What? Here is what I see when I install cheese menu: Applications->Sound & Video: menu item: Che

Re: Fedora 10 ctf-alt-F2

2008-12-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Don Levey wrote: > This means that I must always have at least one Gnome session active, > and I must use that as my control session. It also seems that there's a > "mixed metaphor" in that the first X session is F1 but the rest start at > F7. Its only a mixed met

Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)

2008-12-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Well, yum solves this problem, but sadly you are trying to install > it. ;( > > You can look in the package directories (the same ones the other > packges are in) and pull down the likely packages and add them to your > rpm command line. > > If

Re: Cheese

2008-12-23 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:24 AM, Christoph Unger > Sorry, it's the application menu I mean. I can't reproduce the problem on my F10 system. So I'm at a loss. The menu entries get added and removed as I would expect. Do you see it with any other package? For example if you install gpodder you s

Re: dbus preventing system-config-services from running

2008-12-22 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:01 PM, stan wrote: > Yeah, I booted into both the 134 kernel and the 159 kernel. Everything is > working fine except for this, as far as I can tell. Hmmim not sure what's going on. I can't reproduce on my f10 32bit system at the moment. -jef -- fedora-list maili

Re: dbus preventing system-config-services from running

2008-12-22 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:35 PM, stan wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. I did this and it didn't work. Yum didn't find > any upgrade for dbus at all. The only updgrades were for qpidc and qpidd, > and their dependent i386 packages. Fortunately, chkconfig still works, so > I'm using that as a

Re: Cheese

2008-12-22 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Panel icons don't go away in general till it is restarted. If anything, that > is a bug in the panel. Killing the panel makes it auto spawn. That's a quick > and dirty way of making the icons go away. What does he mean by starting panel? D

Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?

2008-12-22 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > You mean the PolicyKit prompts? Santa is bringing you this review > request. ;-) > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477199 > I'm doing the review, I think we can get this into Rawhide soon, and then > we'll see for F10 and F9. Doe

Re: PackageKit has eaten my system (again!)

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Paul Newell wrote: > I've been following this since it got posted trying to determine if it is a > local problem to Dave or if there is, in fact, an issue with PackageKit > updates on F9 (I think Anne used the phrase "dirty electricity" which I took > mean nothing

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Mark wrote: > Now that you say it like that you might be right. I'm always right. That has never been the problem for me. Its just one of those inherent truths of the universe. But you know what, its not enough for me to be right all the time. The skill I've had

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Mark wrote: > What do you expect of me? > I started nice and what did i get in return: "we don't vote here" and > there is no other way to get the word out. No mark you didn't start nice. You started out demanding a vote in order to coerce a change. Demanding a

Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11

2008-12-20 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Mark wrote: > To the people reading the gnome usability list and see this for the > first time.. look here for the full discussion (about 150 posts): > http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=65669&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=0 Mark, you nee

Re: How to request an updated file in the repos?

2008-12-18 Thread Jeff Spaleta
Hey someone using gpodder. There are 0.14 gpodder updates in updates-testing for F10. This obviously wont fix your feedparser problem, but they do need testing https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gpodder-0.14.0-1.fc10 Please test the new functionality of the 0.14 release and drop a +1 or -1

Re: PackageKit major annoyances

2008-12-18 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mark wrote: > I don't know if i'm gonna put that effort in it. I don't like > packagekit that much if people don't make the effort, then it won't be changed. You made the effort to write your original post. You made the effort to reply. If you are going to bothe

Re: PackageKit major annoyances

2008-12-18 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Mark wrote: > 1. While i was searching for my packages to install (in this case > mplayer) i was looking at the bold font. My first idea that that was > the name of the package but no someone somewhere decided to make the > short package description in BOLD and fi

Re: Whoa! Need help resolving Yum issues

2008-12-17 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Marc Ferguson wrote: > Funny thing though, if YUM is broken, will a "YUM update {package}" work? the dbus update last week should not have affected basic yum functionality. The post error is most likely being emitted by the refresh-packagekit yum plugin and not

Re: newly installed services, like mysql, not on by default after reboot?

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > Only if using a stock config is does not pose a security problem. > The config file is included in the RPM. The postinstall script can > then activate the service. But it is a much better policy to let the > user activate the service th

Re: infrastructure modest proposal

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: > FWIW I have been in the security arena for some time and any security > patch that hasn't been vetted somehow beforehand has to be considered a > security risk in and of itself. While fixing one risk who knows what > may be introduced if the

Re: newly installed services, like mysql, not on by default after reboot?

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > I could have sworn that not turning on a service when it was > installed was the default. You are supposed to configure the new > service, and then turn it on. these sort of actions are done in the postinstall scriplets in the rpm pac

Re: infrastructure modest proposal

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Anne Wilson wrote: > How often has this happened? In the real scheme of things, what percentage of > packages have caused problems like this? I'm not denying the problems that > some people have had, but is there, perhaps, some over-reaction? How often has what

Re: infrastructure modest proposal

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: > It sounds as if I touched a nerve here and, if so, I apologize. I was > simply trying to point out an "industry practice" that makes some > sense. That being said: No apologize necessary... I'm just laying it out for you. This is a communi

Re: infrastructure modest proposal

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: > FWIW, the 3 layer model is used to great effect in everyday business. > First, there's "testing" where the developers get to play to their 3 layers.. without referencing rawhide: Koji scratch builds: developers and maintainers have access to

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. wrote: > Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) > but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken > "update" He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora

Re: FC9 - recent upgrade breaks NFS

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > I get messages indicating "NFS statd failed" and messsages says it can't > register. Is this caused by the dbus "fix" or ??? i dont think nfs uses dbus. I'd have to check that however. -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.c

Re: packagekit

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > This one was a special case, not intended to go out so quickly, but a policy > change would be welcome, to assure testing of new packages, at least for > obvious things like permissions, missing requirements, and "won't even > ing boot!"

Re: configure networkManager to accommodate static DNS server

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 2:11 PM, L wrote: > thanks, what's the command? right click on NM's desktop applet choose "edit connections" -jef -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org

Re: duplicate rpm

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:25 PM, L wrote: > There are 300+, how to efficiently remove older ones? Okay this is an indication that a previous yum transaction was killed before rpm cleanup was completed. the yum-complete-transaction command may be of interest to you. man yum-complete-transaction

Re: configure networkManager to accommodate static DNS server

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:28 PM, L wrote: > Hi, > > I use networkManager to handle network things. However, after started, it > automatically generate a /etc/resolv.conf file > the only dns is 192.168.1.1 > > I want to code the ISP DNS servers to /etc/resolv.conf permanently. How to > do this? Us

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > The dbus security policy change was the heart of the issue. Its the issue that got noticed by a significant number of users. Anyone who watches the broken dep reports which are generated for package maintainers knows that pre-mature p

Re: packagekit

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Thierry wrote: > the responsible party has apologized, wait a bit for a fix to be published. I think the fixes are published now...though some mirrors might be syncing still yum list updates and you should see PackageKit updates in the updates repository. -jef

Re: Accidently Removed "Add/Remove Programs"

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Alex Makhlin wrote: > Could not retrieve mirrorlist > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-10&arch=x86_64 error > was > [Errno 4] IOError: > Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: > fedora. Please verify its pat

Re: infrastructure modest proposal

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> Isn't that sort of the intent of the "testing" repo? > > I dunno :-). Maybe we don't need another layer, maybe we just need > the simple check for obvious dependency problems in "testing", but > I think maybe the the associated packages might

Re: Accidently Removed "Add/Remove Programs"

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, merogringo wrote: > Just ran a Yum Update and now everything is back to normal. > > They really should have tested the previous updates before releasing them. I > can tell a lot of users and admins were not very happy with it. The maintainer responsible for the

Re: anyone have bluetooth working?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:21 AM, stan wrote: > Is this where to give positive feedback for updates testing packages in > general? Yes. > If I update packages from updates testing and everything seems to work on my > system, do I +1 all packages in the update? e.g. there were 128 packages in >

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Thanks for pointing out those posts. The fedora-devel thread was quite long > and I stopped following it. I assume most other users are in the dark as > well and I wanted to start a thread on it. Instead of having a thousand > "PackageK

Re: anyone have bluetooth working?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Brian Millett wrote: > which put the bluetooth back to normal. I can use my mouse & see my > phone. Do me a favor. After testing the mouse and phone interactions to your satification can you +1 the karma for the bluez updates in bodhi.fedoraproject.org to help mo

Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?

2008-12-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Where was this discussed? Where was this tested? The maintainer responsible for the push already apologized publicly for pushing to stable: http://cgwalters.livejournal.com/22189.html https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/

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